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Nobody has said that Banking/Finance is the only way to make it (especially nobody here).

Do what you like to do, have the passion for it and if you work hard you can make it in any industry. This can be medicine, music/entertainment, industrial/manufacturing, law, telecoms or anything else!

If you really like Finance/Banking as a subject matter you will have no problem putting in the effort and hours. If you only do it because of the paycheck then you might end up being miserable.

 
BenedictPowers:
Welcome to WSO!

Nobody has said that Banking/Finance is the only way to make it (especially nobody here).

Do what you like to do, have the passion for it and if you work hard you can make it in any industry. This can be medicine, music/entertainment, industrial/manufacturing, law, telecoms or anything else!

If you really like Finance/Banking as a subject matter you will have no problem putting in the effort and hours. If you only do it because of the paycheck then you might end up being miserable.

^that

 
BenedictPowers:
Welcome to WSO!

Nobody has said that Banking/Finance is the only way to make it (especially nobody here).

Do what you like to do, have the passion for it and if you work hard you can make it in any industry. This can be medicine, music/entertainment, industrial/manufacturing, law, telecoms or anything else!

If you really like Finance/Banking as a subject matter you will have no problem putting in the effort and hours. If you only do it because of the paycheck then you might end up being miserable.

Right, but what I want to know is- why all the hype? On the news, Internet and general media about investment bankers making a ton of money if employees of tech companies do the same thing...is it because the salary is disproportionate to the skill set/value added to society by bankers as opposed to engineers or something?
 
dreamer1992:
Right, but what I want to know is- why all the hype? On the news, Internet and general media about investment bankers making a ton of money if employees of tech companies do the same thing...is it because the salary is disproportionate to the skill set/value added to society by bankers as opposed to engineers or something?

I hate victims who respect their executioners
 
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You are looking at entry level salaries (and you IBD data is old...base went up to 70k a few years back).

Out of undegrad, the engineer probably wins on a cash-flow basis (Mountain View is cheaper than NYC), but the rate of salary growth is much slower. His salary will top out at 200k to 250k after around 15 years. You make that after 3 years in IB. If you stuck around in IB for that long (god bless you masochistic soul...) you would be a MD pulling in $2 million plus.

If you exit, you would probably be a partner (or close to it) in a PE firm. Even a middle market firm will have you breaking $1 million, with more reasonable hours.

Of course, these are assuming you stay in finance, and the engineer remains an engineer.

Nobody is calling first year analysts "fat cats"...they live in crappy studios or share apartments. The anger is at the executives, who got paid very well while the public thought they nearly blew up the economy.

 

You have to work long hours and work hard in any field if you want to make a higher than average income. I know electricians that are making more money then IB associates, but they are working from 6am until 10-11pm at night and that is physical labor

"One should recognize reality even when one doesn't like it, indeed, especially when one doesn't like it." - Charlie Munger
 

Depends as a Banker you have limitations of where you can live, when you can spend your money and where (shops on way to work not outlet stores 1 hour a way) you can spend your money. As a student you know tricks to save money, but just dont have the time to do that when working double time.

So alot of your salary is wiped out by lifestyle limitations

 

I didn't wanna chime in, but I'm bored at work, so I'll say this.

Find me the engineer with the same amount of experience as me that is doing the following compared to me:

1) Working less hours 2) Making more money 3) Not wearing toolish short-sleeve button downs 4) Is less of a bitch to the "corporate world" 5) Is ... "happier"

OccupySiliconValley

I hate victims who respect their executioners
 
BlackHat:
I didn't wanna chime in, but I'm bored at work, so I'll say this.

Find me the engineer with the same amount of experience as me that is doing the following compared to me:

1) Working less hours 2) Making more money 3) Not wearing toolish short-sleeve button downs 4) Is less of a bitch to the "corporate world" 5) Is ... "happier"

OccupySiliconValley

Deepwater drilling rig supervisor/engineer? I guess it depends how much you make.
 
PetEng:
BlackHat:
I didn't wanna chime in, but I'm bored at work, so I'll say this.

Find me the engineer with the same amount of experience as me that is doing the following compared to me:

1) Working less hours 2) Making more money 3) Not wearing toolish short-sleeve button downs 4) Is less of a bitch to the "corporate world" 5) Is ... "happier"

OccupySiliconValley

Deepwater drilling rig supervisor/engineer? I guess it depends how much you make.

Funny you say that because I actually have a friend who's a petroleum engineer and he does a lot of work with the big drilling and exploration companies. I had no idea until recently, but dude makes BANK, so good call on that one haha.

I hate victims who respect their executioners
 

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