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4/9/07

Official ibankingoasis belief in God poll. Any religion with a God accepted. I'll start.

Don't.

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4/9/07

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4/9/07

Well I'll let my name speak for itself.

4/9/07

Do

I would strongly recommend reading C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity for those of you that are skeptical.

It has helped change the way I look at many things...

4/9/07

Affirmative here. Atheists will have a rude awakening one day.

4/9/07
4/9/07

Okay guys, let's stick to the topic and try not to get personal and respect the views of others. I really don't want to see another long drawn-out thread filled with flames.

4/9/07

Point well taken. Good reminder.

4/9/07

I truly believe I am God. Not even kidding here.

4/9/07

For those that answered yes, how have you been able to maintain your faith amidst all the pressures?

4/9/07

I truly Believe in GOD.
GOD exists,i have no doubt about that.Nothing in our lifes happens randomly without a reason.everything has a reason behind.and GOD is the guy :) that makes this whole puzzle called "our life"

In reply to carl87
4/9/07
carl87:

I truly Believe in GOD.
GOD exists,i have no doubt about that.Nothing in our lifes happens randomly without a reason.everything has a reason behind.and GOD is the guy :) that makes this whole puzzle called "our life"

Not to disagree with your your views or say that they are right or wrong, but the flip side of that argument (i.e. all the bad, horrible things that happen to ppl every day) is the reason why I don't.

4/9/07

If your Atheist what do you look forward to in the long run?

In reply to guyjer
4/9/07
guyjer:

If your Atheist what do you look forward to in the long run?

Having a good life, and trying to make the most of it for me and the people around me. I personally think it makes a better person out of me, because when I do something good I do out of a desire to be a better person, rather than because of a fear of hell.

4/9/07

I believe in God but get a little skeptical sometimes. I think of the little kids that are dying of diseases, poverty and starvation in third-world countries and ask myself "Is God willing to help these people but not able or is he able to help these people but not willing or is he neither willing nor able to help these people, in which case, why do we call him 'God'" People like to chant the mantra, "Everything happens for a reason" but a reason behind a suffering of such magnitude that these innocent kids are confronted with seems illogical. Maybe somebody could someday justify such inhumane acts(but then again, God isn't human).

4/9/07

Was once slightly agnostic, now very much a believer.

4/9/07
In reply to carl87
4/9/07
carl87:

I truly Believe in GOD.
GOD exists,i have no doubt about that.Nothing in our lifes happens randomly without a reason.everything has a reason behind.and GOD is the guy :) that makes this whole puzzle called "our life"

No offense, but there's no way you can say you have "no doubt" about it. If so, what proof could you offer. Personally, I've thought about it both ways (good things happen for a reason vs. all the bas things that happen), and I believe in God, but on what grounds, I'm not sure. You could not explain the unexplainable, but you cannot prove much either. Oh well, my 2 cents.

4/10/07

I just sacrificed to Phoebus Apollo.
Those who do not worship all the Olympian Gods and Goddesses are in for a rude awakening (Tartarus) one day.

4/10/07

Do: 10
Dont: 3.
Lets keep them coming. Remember to write "Do" or "Dont" at the top. It will make keeping a tally easier.

4/10/07
4/10/07

People have mentioned suffering, and it is one of the most common obstacles for many people.

Again at the risk of sounding like a dork(even though I don't care if I do), "Mere Christianity" has rocked my world. It touches on Suffering, Morality, "right and wrong as a clue to the meaning of the universe", faith, cost of faith, what Christians believe, Christian behavior etc..

4/10/07
4/10/07

I always love asking this to my fundamentalist friends, If God knows the future - and what is going to happen has already been decided - do you think that praying will "Change God's Mind" persuading him to grant you a favor?

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4/10/07

yes - something along the lines of intelligent design but not quite

In reply to guyjer
4/10/07
guyjer:

If your Atheist what do you look forward to in the long run?

I don't look forward to anything in the long run. I really can't give you a good reason for why we all shouldn't kill ourselves other than maybe we are afraid to die or rather life just is like it or not.

You hit on the main reason why I don't believe in god, though. It is clearly a comfort to man to believe in some purpose. The truth is usually uncomfortable. I refuse to believe just to make me feel better and sleep at night.

4/10/07
4/10/07

Nuh uh.

In the really long run, we all die.

Anyway I'm atheist because I am my own keeper, not a deity of any kind. I got into college because I worked hard to get in, not because some deity put my name on the roster.

And besides, how am I supposed to believe in something that's scientifically impossible. And my view of christianity is jaded by people that run places like Jesus Camp. YouTube it. It's scary. Looks like some sort of christian fundamentalist jihad.

"We are lawyers! We sue people! Occasionally, we get aggressive and garnish wages, but WE DO NOT ABDUCT!" -Boston Legal-

4/10/07

When I was younger I went back and forth with this. But really, people give God way to much credit for everything in their lives (someone I know once said it was because of "Him" that they did well on a Calc test...give me a break). As far as what I look forward to, just living life as best I can and being happy. Do I really need to have a book or another person who claims to be an expert of said book help me to achieve that? I don't think so. But, to each his own. If someone needs that feeling of not being alone in order to be happy, then that's what they need to be happy.

In reply to fraser24gt
4/10/07
fraser24gt:

When I was younger I went back and forth with this. But really, people give God way to much credit for everything in their lives (someone I know once said it was because of "Him" that they did well on a Calc test...give me a break). As far as what I look forward to, just living life as best I can and being happy. Do I really need to have a book or another person who claims to be an expert of said book help me to achieve that? I don't think so. But, to each his own. If someone needs that feeling of not being alone in order to be happy, then that's what they need to be happy.

Amen.

Crap! As an atheist, what am I supposed to say?

4/10/07
4/10/07

For posters that said they believe in God, I have a couple of questions: First, we all believe that humans came into existence through God's creation but how did God himself come into existence? Second, who actually compiled all the books in the bible into one book?

4/10/07
4/10/07

I am always astonished that people let a certain group of Christians actions affect their views.

It comes down to this for me: Christ made some very bold and radical statements here on earth. As C.S. Lewis said, "Jesus was either a Liar, Lord, or a Lunatic."

If he is Lord, there are MAJOR implications. If what he said REALLY is Truth, then how can you let how other people act prevent you from that Truth? Not all people that claim things actually live obedient lives.

4/10/07
In reply to uppereastside
4/10/07
uppereastside:

Not all people that claim things actually live obedient lives.

In my experience, that is a major understatement. I have found religious people in general (some groups definitely more than others) to be among the most hypocritical. I obviously haven't let this observation affect any personal views, but I just get irritated by the fact that others feel they can preach to me when I feel I have my life more in order than they do, and in some cases, probably have a better/clearer moral compass. That is my biggest hang-up with religion, is the constant need to "spread the gospel/Word", "save" people, etc. Forcing religion down peoples throats is not to my knowledge something that entails the principles set forth by God/Jesus/Yahweh/Allah/Buddha/FSM/Etc.

4/11/07

You do not have to believe in Christianity but I find it refreshing to have a spiritual life. I discourage fundamentalism because it discourages the evolution of religion. If an idea cannot change then it cannot adapt to the times and that leads to trouble.

4/11/07

Strong Don't ...

What I've never understood is: If two different religions claim that non-believers are going to hell (and you can't follow more than one religion), either someone (or both) is lying or we're all going to hell anyways. I have an uncle who is a priest, a grandmother that is a minister, and other religious ties. I've had a lot of exposure to religion but I just don't buy it.

PS: I don't mind if others practice at all, as long as it doesn't come to the detriment of those that don't agree with them.

CompBanker

4/12/07

You can be spritual without being religious. You can be moral without being religious. Notice how enron's CEO and Ken Lay were both male WASPs.

"We are lawyers! We sue people! Occasionally, we get aggressive and garnish wages, but WE DO NOT ABDUCT!" -Boston Legal-

4/14/07
4/14/07

I'm an orthodox athiest

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Either you sling crack rock or you got a wicked jump shot

4/14/07

Challenge: We should each identify what our definition of God/'the gods' is.

I have a hunch that a good section of the atheists became that way after observing the behavior and mentality of those with a poor definition.

My definition: Universal organizing principle(s). Although randomness as a basis for reality may be appealing to some. I believe in a harmonious underlying structure, it tends to promote a harmonious underlying structure in myself.

4/14/07

those who do not resonate with that structure, tend to find themselves in dire straits(hell/tartarus/gehenna) at some point or another.
Take it from me...

- Ex-atheist

4/15/07

How is a guy driving down the freeway getting killed by a semi-truck tire that came loose and crossed over the divider wall into the opposing lane of traffic part of a "harmonious underlying structure"? What about the 6 year old leukemia patients? Maybe I missed the gist of your philosophical outlook, but I don't see how such things tie together the universe.

4/15/07

First, I don't believe in the things that cannot be proved, but I don't deny the possiblity of such proof arising later. Basically, I'm an agnostic, lately leaning towards atheism.

Second, even if I were to believe, I certainly wouldn't join any of the current followings. Seriously, how can you read Bible/Torah/Koran without ridiculing it? The stuff they talk about are basically fairytales. And in any case, I feel that it's important for me to figure out my own position rather than jump on the bandwagon with other believers in the standardized deities, rituals, and customs. Sitting through a religious ceremony is by far the last thing I'd spend my time on.

4/16/07

Atheist

Too much bad stuff in the world to think there is. I think it's all a ploy to control the masses. There is too much historical context and evidence of corruption, deception, and fraud in the church for me to believe otherwise.

4/16/07
4/16/07

I think its key to remember that spirituality and "religion" are two different things.

In reply to Bucs47
4/16/07
Bucs47:

I think its key to remember that spirituality and "religion" are two different things.

I don't believe in spirituality either.

There are atoms and electrons and all the good science stuff. Beyond that is our imagination or better yet fear.

While I'm at it, another pet peeve of mine are agnostics. "Well, I don't know." I was agnostic once, because I didn't have the balls at the time to be atheist.

So to all agnostics out there, stop being afraid. if you really don't believe in god, he can't punish you. If you really don't believe in god, you are an atheist.

4/16/07

Realize that Atheist simply means "not a theist".
Agnostics simply say, "I can't accept or deny God, for I don't know how to define this God."

For those who point to the hypocrisy of Christians as grounds for not joining a church or believing in God; look to Christ not the Christian, we will always let you down, Jesus wont.

Also, you ask, "why does God let so many people suffer and die?" People who focus on this miss the point. This speck of our existence is our one brief chance to secure our salvation with Jesus and to spread the news that eternal life is a free gift. Funny how people are so concerned with this life when there is an eternity to look forward to.

I don't believe that God uses the "hell incentive" to force people to believe. This was cooked up by the early Catholic Church. 70% of the versus in the Bible will use language that implies destruction (end result) and the other 30% sound like "eternal" punishment until you put it into context. You can research this for yourself, just don't ask your pastor/priest (they may have bias); if YOU truly search for Biblical truths, you will find them (on your own) without outside influence.

Lastly, you can't "prove" the existence of God. Even if we could, I wonder if people would (choose) to believe; look at all the people who saw miracles with their own eyes (people with Jesus and Moses) some still didn't believe. It basically comes down to this: over 2000 years ago a man walked upon the face of the Earth and claimed to be the son of God. He was poor, humble, and well acquainted with grief, and claimed to have died for our sins. He promised that if we call upon his name we (will) be saved. Who do you say this person was/is, and why do people get so angry at someone who died so that we can exist after this life.

Sorry for the sermon.

In reply to Maynard
4/16/07
Maynard:

For those who point to the hypocrisy of Christians as grounds for not joining a church or believing in God; look to Christ not the Christian, we will always let you down, Jesus wont.

There is one time in history where people did not let someone down.

They didn't let Jesus down...from the cross.

4/16/07

Your comment bugged the shit out of me and I had to reflect on it. For what it's worth...

If you can acknowledge that it was awful not to have let Jesus down from the cross is to admit that you are at least compassionate...
If you are compassionate, that comes from having a deeper feeling of empathy toward others...
If you have empathy towards others means that you desire to do good unto others...
If you desire to do good unto others, means you understand the significance of love...
If you love, then you know Christ..

Sigh. I feel better now.

In reply to aadpepsi
4/16/07

aadpepsi

I don't at all believe in god, but I have morals and I follow them.

The fact that I have considered my own morals rather than just accepting them from religion makes me more likely to follow them because they are my own.

I am a very nice, loving, compassionate person, who happens to not believe in god.

If me and Christ can hang out in the same treehouse then, well that's cool. I just won't believe that's he's god.

I hope you feel better.

4/16/07

Alexey, I accept you as you are.

Although as far as I'm concerned, there is no atheism. Either you love or do not love.

4/16/07

Also, I made no reference to immorality...

In reply to aadpepsi
4/16/07
aadpepsi:

Alexey, I accept you as you are.

Although as far as I'm concerned, there is no atheism. Either you love or do not love.

That's funny. You don't believe in Atheism. There is something kind of ironic in that.

If I love I do it because I feel it and not because I feel obliged to.

I went through 13 years of Catholic school. I know how it works.

In reply to aadpepsi
4/16/07
aadpepsi:

Also, I made no reference to immorality...

OK. Maybe that is not what you intended.

I inferred from the bits about compassion and love that you were equating my lack of belief in god to being a bad person.

My inference must have been incorrect.

4/16/07

Do

Vaguely Christian but disagree with a lof of it, particularly its views on women and relationships.

4/16/07

Yes, wrong inference. Never said you were a bad person. Au contraire.

Also, don't we all love because we feel it? Love is everything. Would feeling obliged to love be truly love?

4/16/07

Do. Intelligent design. There are terrible things in the world because we have free-will, not because God wills it. If there were no terrible things in the world, God would have no need to exist.

In reply to aadpepsi
4/17/07
aadpepsi:

If you love, then you know Christ..

I don't see how this statement comes close to being true. Does that mean Jews either can't love or are somehow going against their own religion's doctrine? This is exactly my problem with Christianity...well, religion in general, but Christianity specifcally, and even more specifically the whole Southern Baptist/Evangelical contingent. All I've ever seen of religion is exclusion. Christians can never accept someone for who they are. Mission trips are a good example, where the missionaries go and build a school in some 3rd world country and then spend the rest of their time trying to convert the natives. If people don't want to believe, that is their prerogative. Getting back to the point, no offense aadpepsi, but I really think your logic is flawed. One can't say that feelings of goodwill and compassion are exclusive to believers in Christ. And before you try to get technical, I see you used the word "know" (rather cunningly I might add) rather than "believe." I think its safe to say that in the Christian lexicon "know" can reasonably be equated to "believe (in)." Unless we are talking strict biblical sense of "know"...j/k

4/17/07

religious people scare me. people who judge others based on a fairy tale. I mean what is god's purpose anyway? Why did he "create" earth and human beings? It seems just to have people worship him so he can eventually let us live with him in "heaven"- sounds like a pretty selfish project to me.

Heaven sounds horrible to me anyway. who wants to live in a worry free existence anyway? think about that.....

4/17/07

also when all you religious people die and go to heaven what happens if your first wife dies when youre 30 and she's "waiting" patiently for you in heaven. then a few years later you get re-married and eventually you both die from old age.

Can you imagine how awkward it would be in heaven?! you and your two wives!

oh but don't worry, its heaven. everything works out up there. where is heaven anyway? some part of the universe? another dimension?

also, if heaven is so great, how come any person will flinch when a gun is pointed at them? shouldn't they welcome death if its so great up there? no, of course not. we are animals and we have the instinct to not want to die. just like an ant who runs away when you try to squish it. we are all just animals on earth like anything else. we are children of nature, not of some made up god.

but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.
thats my sermon

In reply to IronBanker
4/17/07
IronBanker:

religious people scare me. people who judge others based on a fairy tale. I mean what is god's purpose anyway? Why did he "create" earth and human beings? It seems just to have people worship him so he can eventually let us live with him in "heaven"- sounds like a pretty selfish project to me.

Heaven sounds horrible to me anyway. who wants to live in a worry free existence anyway? think about that.....

I don't judge anyone because I'm no better than they are. People should respect other's right to believe whatever they want. Also, was God selfish when he sent his son to be murdered by us so that we would have a chance at eternal life?

I have no idea who you are, but I will pray to God for you tonight. I will pray that He blesses you with whatever you're looking for in life (wealth, career, doesn't even have to be salvation through Christ). You can even flame me after this thread and I'll still pray for you.

In reply to fraser24gt
4/17/07
fraser24gt:
aadpepsi:

If you love, then you know Christ..

I don't see how this statement comes close to being true. Getting back to the point, no offense aadpepsi, but I really think your logic is flawed. One can't say that feelings of goodwill and compassion are exclusive to believers in Christ.

Feelings of goodwill and compassion are not exclusive to believers in Christ. When did I say that? Feelings of goodwill and compassion are in the essence of every person.

Fundamentally, my perspective on love is very much aligned with Thomas Aquinas. And I'm not talking of romantic love. I'm talking about love love. If you are inclined to do so, if but for the sake of perspective, I encourage you to read "An Deus sit?" and his quinque viae or "The Five Ways".

In reply to aadpepsi
4/17/07
aadpepsi:

And I'm not talking of romantic love. I'm talking about love love. .

There were three types of love in the ancient Greek, which might help clarify the discussion.

Agape- Love for your fellow man/family

Philos- deep love a subject/person, but now more used non-physical love of another person

Eros- hot raunchy sex (or physical love/lust)

In reply to Maynard
4/17/07
Maynard:
IronBanker:

religious people scare me. people who judge others based on a fairy tale. I mean what is god's purpose anyway? Why did he "create" earth and human beings? It seems just to have people worship him so he can eventually let us live with him in "heaven"- sounds like a pretty selfish project to me.

Heaven sounds horrible to me anyway. who wants to live in a worry free existence anyway? think about that.....

I don't judge anyone because I'm no better than they are. People should respect other's right to believe whatever they want. Also, was God selfish when he sent his son to be murdered by us so that we would have a chance at eternal life?

I have no idea who you are, but I will pray to God for you tonight. I will pray that He blesses you with whatever you're looking for in life (wealth, career, doesn't even have to be salvation through Christ). You can even flame me after this thread and I'll still pray for you.

listen maynard, i thank you for praying for me. and i know what i said was a little harsh. and believe me, i respect people who follow a religion. but i was just trying to vent my own opinions about the fallibility in religion. I grew up going to church and for awhile tried to force myself to believe. but to me, theres just too much out there telling me there can't be religion.

and this whole thing of "was god being selfish when he sent jesus to save us", i mean to me thats the type of argument that makes me laugh because well.....i dont believe jesus was the son of god and thats the sort of fairy tale i think religion exemplifies.

mel gibson put it pretty frankly, "if you dont believe in ALL of the bible, then you shouldnt believe in any of it" and although dismissing evolution and dinosaurs and heaps of scientific evidence seems easy for some people, its pretty ridiculous to me. and its really kind of true what gibson said i know christians that say "oh i mean i dont believe is creationism, but i can still believe in christ"- i dont get how some people can believe in some of this supernatural stuff and not some of the other. its all just a heap of hypocritical storytelling mumbo jumbo to me.

but all that aside, my parents are very pious and so is my girlfriend and her parents. which probably means if i marry and have kids with her, my kids will be brought up that way. so i respect religion and i think its based on great morals. but so is harry potter

4/18/07

Haha, well said IronBanker. I would have to agree with everything you just said. I've never understood that myself, why so much scientific evidence is thrown out of the window because of a book that was written 2,000+ years ago.

4/18/07

""Jesus was either a Liar, Lord, or a Lunatic.""

The famous trilemma...I'll take choices 1 and 3 Alex. With a little slice of 'Paul completely manipulated/created christianity.'

4/18/07

Another thing (and I actually do believe in God), but arguing that atheism is nihilistic or unpleasant is not an argument against it's being true. the truth/falsehood of something is independent of how it makes you feel.

4/18/07

"There are terrible things in the world because we have free-will, not because God wills it."

what about natural disasters?

4/18/07

Yea, same thing with diseases such as cancer. I don't think any of those people chose to get it, except smokers perhaps. I guess it depends on people's definition of God. You either have the loving, benevolent God, or the fire and brimstone, fear me God. If he's benevolent, again, why so much suffering in the world? If he's so angry and harsh towards us on purpose, why worship him?

In reply to fraser24gt
4/18/07
fraser24gt:

Yea, same thing with diseases such as cancer. I don't think any of those people chose to get it, except smokers perhaps. I guess it depends on people's definition of God. You either have the loving, benevolent God, or the fire and brimstone, fear me God. If he's benevolent, again, why so much suffering in the world? If he's so angry and harsh towards us on purpose, why worship him?

Reading this post just gave me a plausible explanation for how god actually might exist.

Basically, many of us atheists have trouble believing in god because he is seemingly irrational and contradictory.

HOWEVER, if god was a WOMAN, that would explain everything.

4/18/07

HAHAHAHA! Has to be one of the funniest things I've read on this site!

4/18/07

Ja, that made me smile :-)

God is a woman. The whole story about Adam's rib was made up for man's ego so that he believes he contributed something ;)

4/18/07

it's not rib actually, it's 'side'

4/18/07
4/18/07

no, that's a common misconception and mistranslation. the word means side, not rib.

4/18/07
4/18/07

Tzela, as in Exodus 26:20. they're not making tabernacles out of ribs....

I would generally avoid the JPS translation by the way, stick with the artscroll...the orthodox are better at these sort of things...

Christian translations often mistranslate, sometimes intentionally...like the famous 'behold a virgin shall conceive' bit in Isaiah 7:14

4/18/07

See, now I appreciate your knowledge of Scripture :-)

Indeed, plenty of misconceptions or mistranslations from scripture...

4/18/07

that's why you should try to read it in the original, or at least have a translation that includes the original (like artscroll)

In reply to Jimbo
4/18/07
Jimbo:

that's why you should try to read it in the original, or at least have a translation that includes the original (like artscroll)

Nobody knows exactly how to translate this. Especially considering that most of the stories weren't written down for many years.

Even with modern foreign languages there can be multiple translations of the same word depending on context etc.

In this particular case the discussion is irrelevant because aadpepsi was simply referencing the story (and in terms commonly known) and not trying to begin a debate about translation.

Not sure who Jimbo is trying to impress, but in the end it's open to interpretation and even more importantly nobody gives a rat's ass.

In any case, here is what wikipedia has to say, go to wikipedia to check out the citiations:

"Adam's rib

Anatomically, men and women have the same number of ribs - 24 (unless they have an extra bi-lateral cervical set of ribs). When this fact was noted by the Flemish anatomist Vesalius in 1524 it touched off a wave of controversy, since it was thought to contradict Genesis 2:21:

"And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man" (King James Version, Genesis 2:21aEU"22)

Controversy regarding the "rib" continues to the present day, regarding the Sumerian and the original Hebrew words for rib. The common translation, for example, that of the King James Version, is that xO*x--O*xa xzO'x|O*O1/4xoeOdegxC/O1xaO,x(tm)x* means "one of his ribs". The contrary position is that the term x|xoexC/ a1PSelaE?, occurring forty-one times in the Tanakh, is most often translated as "side" in general.[8]. "Rib" is, however, the etymologically primary meaning of the term, which is from a root a1PS-l-E?, "bend", cognate to Assyrian a1PSAalu "rib".[9] Also God took "one" ( E3/4ea,>IuI...Ia?PI1/2 I+-a1/2I,,I?a?|, with a1/4! IEUI>>IuI...II! choosing a Greek term that like the Hebrew a1PSelaE? may mean either "rib", or, in the plural, "side [of a man or animal]" in general. The specification "one of the IEUI>>IuI...II!" thus closely imitates the Hebrew text. The Aramaic form of the word is xC/xoexC/ E?alaE?, which appears, also in the meaning "rib", in Daniel 7:5.

An old story of the rib is told by Rabbi Joshua:

"God deliberated from what member He would create woman, and He reasoned with Himself thus: I must not create her from Adam's head, for she would be a proud person, and hold her head high. If I create her from the eye, then she will wish to pry into all things; if from the ear, she will wish to hear all things; if from the mouth, she will talk much; if from the heart, she will envy people; if from the hand, she will desire to take all things; if from the feet, she will be a gadabout. Therefore I will create her from the member which is hidden, that is the rib, which is not even seen when man is naked. ..."[10] "

4/18/07

keep in mind that God and organized religion are not equal. humans are fallible, so when we try to interpret/understand/rationalize God, we will inevitably make mistakes. I don't know/care who wrote the Bible, but if I knew I were going to die tomorrow, I would say a little something to God before I went.

(disclaimer: this poster attended a private catholic secondary school)

4/19/07

"Not sure who Jimbo is trying to impress, but in the end it's open to interpretation and even more importantly nobody gives a rat's ass."

i'm not out to impress anyone, least of all strangers on the internet, my friend.

In reply to Jimbo
4/19/07
Jimbo:

"Not sure who Jimbo is trying to impress, but in the end it's open to interpretation and even more importantly nobody gives a rat's ass."

i'm not out to impress anyone, least of all strangers on the internet, my friend.

I'm just talking trash...

4/19/07

"I'm just talking trash...
"

No worries, if the internet is good for anything it's for insulting strangers annonymously :-)

Jimbo

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