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The playoffs have had their moments but something has been missing for me. Perhaps the over-hype let me down a little, but thats another story.

I expect Miami to win against the Pacers now, and I like OKC over the Spurs primarily because they have no one to match up with KD or Westbrook even (Danny Green isnt stopping him). The Celtics should slow Miami down a little but they can't score.

This leads us to Miami v OKC in the finals. Which I think is the best possible outcome and one I'm looking forward to watching. That said, I wanted to see people's views on a few topics.

1. Are KD/Westbrook a better duo then Wade/LeBron?

2. When its all said and done, which two will have the better career? (I see KD as winning more rings)

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Westbrook isn't on the same

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Westbrook isn't on the same level as the other three and Wade is in the background to LeBron's unbelievable performance so far this year.

KD and LBJ are both freaks in their own right.

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I would prefer to see an

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I would prefer to see an OKC-MIA final, but I think you are underestimating the Spurs. They are a veteran team that is insanely hot right now and really controls the game, which might give the Thunder some trouble.

As far as the KD/WB vs LBJ/DW comparison goes... LBJ and Wade blow them out of the water. Westbrook is great and definitely a big star in the NBA but is not on the same level as the other 3. Wade is close behind Durant, despite his 5pt performance.

As far as better career, again, the MIA duo. Wade's already got 1 ring and with them paired up for so long, itll definitely be more (yes, LBJ will get one eventually). Statistically, Durant compares/outshines Lebron in scoring, but lebrons overall stats are out of this world. Nobody competes in all stat categories like he does and never will. I would love to see Durant get a few rings, but its hard to say whether that will ever really happen. Gonna be fun to watch

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As much as I want to see OKC

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As much as I want to see OKC in the finals but with the way the Spurs are playing right now, IDK man. I think they will get the best of OKC 4-2 series.

Just a sophomore looking for an opportunity to start up this dream of mine.

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I disagree with a lot of what

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I disagree with a lot of what is posted. Yes, I like Miami over Boston and I love to watch OKC play but during game 2 of the Lakers-OKC series when both teams were playing like shit and the Thunder stole that game, I came to terms with the fact that the Spurs will be NBA champs. OKC will give them everything they have but this Spurs team is special. On paper, the Thunder stack up better than anyone (including the Heat) but the Spurs are the true definition of a team. They get the absolute most out of their players and execute in halfcourt offense and defense nearly perfectly. That's where they win the series. Despite not having any superstars (don't tell that to Tony Parker tho) I like them to move past both OKC and the Heat in 6 games. And this is coming from someone who couldn't stand their blandness for years.

As far as KD/Westbrook vs Lebron/Wade I think it is a toss-up or a slight edge to OKC. Granted, Lebron is the best player in the world but I think there's no question that at this point in their careers Durant is a better player than Wade. And most people will disagree with me here but I might give the edge to Westbrook over Wade too. People love to hate on Westbrook but he is freaky good and for many points of the game (when his jumper is falling which it has been) he carries the team and gets them back in the game. He sometimes forces too many shots but just check his playoff stats and compare to Wade's. Both duos are phenomenal but I like the Thunder's just because I'll always take a duo that consists of a good 1 and 3 versus a 2 and 3, even if Westbrook is sort of a hybrid between a 1 and a 2. When you factor in their age, I think few GM's in the league would say they'd rather build a team around the Heat's duo as opposed to the Thunder's. Just my .02

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The question was not, which

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The question was not, which two individual combinations are better but how they work together. I give the edge to KD/Westbrook, Lebron and Wade try and play the same role too often and we have seen that can and will lead to losses. When it is all said and done I believe KD will be known as the best player of this era (yea, better than Lebron) because, although he does not have the same diversity in skills as Lebron, he is cold-blooded and hungry (the opposite of Lebron). In all honestly Lebron is like one of those spoiled prep kids who feel entitled to the ivy league while Durant was the kid going to a shitty public HS where college is an accomplishment in its own right. The kid was not recruited highly out of middle school and not that highly out of high school whereas Lebron has had everything set up for him since middle school. People do not value the psychological impact this has on the court highly enough. Also, the Spurs have had the easiest road to the finals, I do not care that they swept a scrub Jazz team who should not have even been in the playoffs and a Clippers team that had their 2 best players at like 50-70% due to injuries. OKC has had the toughest road to the finals playing against the 2 previous world champions and have looked great doing so, they will beat SA in 7. If they play Miami its just lol, they will beat them in 5. Look at their team folks, Miami has no inside game and Lebron/Wade are not going to have freedom to just attack the paint with Ibaka and Perkins back there and even if they do go off, they have a very high chance of being countered by Durant/Westbrook not to even mention Harden. The only way Miami wins is if Wade/Lebron can avg. 70 pts a game combined (which ain't happenin). If they play Boston, it will be a better series. Either way, OKC or the Spurs are taking it this yr.

disclaimer: I chose NY Knicks vs. OKC Thunder with thunder winning it at the beginning of the season

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Westbrook isn't on the same level as the other three and Wade is in the background to LeBron's unbelievable performance so far this year.

KD and LBJ are both freaks in their own right.

I would be inclined towards Westbrook over Wade right now. More durable and much more room to grow.

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ai215: I would prefer to see

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ai215:

I would prefer to see an OKC-MIA final, but I think you are underestimating the Spurs. They are a veteran team that is insanely hot right now and really controls the game, which might give the Thunder some trouble.

As far as the KD/WB vs LBJ/DW comparison goes... LBJ and Wade blow them out of the water. Westbrook is great and definitely a big star in the NBA but is not on the same level as the other 3. Wade is close behind Durant, despite his 5pt performance.

As far as better career, again, the MIA duo. Wade's already got 1 ring and with them paired up for so long, itll definitely be more (yes, LBJ will get one eventually). Statistically, Durant compares/outshines Lebron in scoring, but lebrons overall stats are out of this world. Nobody competes in all stat categories like he does and never will. I would love to see Durant get a few rings, but its hard to say whether that will ever really happen. Gonna be fun to watch

I think the Spurs are pretty great right now but I dont see how they're going to stop KD. The only player who comes to mind who might give him a little trouble because of his strength is Stephen Jackson but I fail to see him on the court for extended minutes because of his defense.

I'm surprised the amount of love Wade is still getting. As much as I love him as a player and he's still Top 10 for sure but Westbrook is ahead of him right now. There's a reason people are commenting on the disparity between Wade and LeBron right now. I've mentioned before that perhaps people are taking Wade for granted but between Westbrook and Wade, there's no real argument for me, now or in the future.

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Lotin: As much as I want to

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Lotin:

As much as I want to see OKC in the finals but with the way the Spurs are playing right now, IDK man. I think they will get the best of OKC 4-2 series.

Wouldnt be surprised at all if that happens. But that would be mean the Westbrook shooting too much and fucking up OKC's offense argument is gonna come out again. Looking at the two teams on paper, OKC should win.

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1. Dwayne Wade is not a

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1. Dwayne Wade is not a 100%
2. He is still currently the only guard in the NBA with a ring w/o significant contribution from a big man
3. The only reason to take Westbrook over wade is wade's age/injuries and Westbrook's potential

if you think Westbrook can lead a team, as in be the guy, to a championship at any point in his career you must be smoking, he is a point guard for a reason and cost the Thunder the western conference finals last year, he is not currently (and probably will never be) better than Dwayne Wade, I guess since Wade is chillin because he plays with 'Bron 'Bron people forgot just how dominant he was before he took a back seat to Lebron.

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JohnAnthony7: I disagree with

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I disagree with a lot of what is posted. Yes, I like Miami over Boston and I love to watch OKC play but during game 2 of the Lakers-OKC series when both teams were playing like shit and the Thunder stole that game, I came to terms with the fact that the Spurs will be NBA champs. OKC will give them everything they have but this Spurs team is special. On paper, the Thunder stack up better than anyone (including the Heat) but the Spurs are the true definition of a team. They get the absolute most out of their players and execute in halfcourt offense and defense nearly perfectly. That's where they win the series. Despite not having any superstars (don't tell that to Tony Parker tho) I like them to move past both OKC and the Heat in 6 games. And this is coming from someone who couldn't stand their blandness for years.

As far as KD/Westbrook vs Lebron/Wade I think it is a toss-up or a slight edge to OKC. Granted, Lebron is the best player in the world but I think there's no question that at this point in their careers Durant is a better player than Wade. And most people will disagree with me here but I might give the edge to Westbrook over Wade too. People love to hate on Westbrook but he is freaky good and for many points of the game (when his jumper is falling which it has been) he carries the team and gets them back in the game. He sometimes forces too many shots but just check his playoff stats and compare to Wade's. Both duos are phenomenal but I like the Thunder's just because I'll always take a duo that consists of a good 1 and 3 versus a 2 and 3, even if Westbrook is sort of a hybrid between a 1 and a 2. When you factor in their age, I think few GM's in the league would say they'd rather build a team around the Heat's duo as opposed to the Thunder's. Just my .02

Agreed.

On the Spurs though, how are people missing that no one on that team can guard KD? Ibaka can roam a little and Westbrook will be a huge factor seeing as Sefalosha is likely to guard TP.

I like the Spurs but its a major upset in my mind if they get to the finals. Westbrook will have to have an atrocious series for that to happen because KD is gonna get his and then some. Its just depends on who steps up to help him.

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I agree with BigBucks that

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I agree with BigBucks that the Spurs had a much easier road and will be pulling for the Thunder big time but when I look at the Thunder, they could have easily lost the first 2 against Dallas and Game 2 and 4 against the Lakers while the Spurs have yawned through their first 8 games. There is something to be said for knowing how to win close games, but I think the reason they had to come from behind in many of their wins is because the Thunder are not always super efficient in the halfcourt offense. The Spurs halfcourt offense and ball movement is superb. Either way, this will be a phenomenal series and I agree with Barkley and most other people that these are the best 2 teams left in the NBA and will make quick work of whoever comes out of the East. And please, when the Heat lose don't blame Lebron because at least up to this point he has been excellent. Spurs and Thunder are just better TEAMS.

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As we're talking about it,

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As we're talking about it, top 10 players in the league:

LeBron
KD
Dwight Howard
Rose
Paul
Westbrook
Kobe
Wade
Dirk
Love

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JohnAnthony7: I disagree with

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JohnAnthony7:

I disagree with a lot of what is posted. Yes, I like Miami over Boston and I love to watch OKC play but during game 2 of the Lakers-OKC series when both teams were playing like shit and the Thunder stole that game, I came to terms with the fact that the Spurs will be NBA champs. OKC will give them everything they have but this Spurs team is special. On paper, the Thunder stack up better than anyone (including the Heat) but the Spurs are the true definition of a team. They get the absolute most out of their players and execute in halfcourt offense and defense nearly perfectly. That's where they win the series. Despite not having any superstars (don't tell that to Tony Parker tho) I like them to move past both OKC and the Heat in 6 games. And this is coming from someone who couldn't stand their blandness for years.

I could not agree more.

Watch the Spurs play. That whole team is deep and very much going under the radar. The hype is on OKC/Heat. Unfortunately, it's still a mix-up if either is going to the finals.

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BigBucks: 1. Dwayne Wade is

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BigBucks:

1. Dwayne Wade is not a 100%
2. He is still currently the only guard in the NBA with a ring w/o significant contribution from a big man
3. The only reason to take Westbrook over wade is wade's age/injuries and Westbrook's potential

if you think Westbrook can lead a team, as in be the guy, to a championship at any point in his career you must be smoking, he is a point guard for a reason and cost the Thunder the western conference finals last year, he is not currently (and probably will never be) better than Dwayne Wade, I guess since Wade is chillin because he plays with 'Bron 'Bron people forgot just how dominant he was before he took a back seat to Lebron.

Wade is great but there are times where he plays poorly and gets a pass, unlike Westbrook or Lebron. Everyone wants to blame Westbrook when the Thunder lose but ignore how important he is to them when they win. People forget that Wade was literally non-existant against the Bulls last year and Lebron carried them but no one mentioned that

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All I will say is if there's

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All I will say is if there's an OKC/MIA final and those four all show up to play, it will be an amazing series.

BigBucks is right on about Wade, I remember watching them come into Chicago the year before they got Lebron and whip the Bulls by 40, and watching Wade put on a clinic was really something to see. Every time I watch the Heat I'm still more impressed w/ Wade and his ability to make baskets in the clutch.

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BigBucks: 1. Dwayne Wade is

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JohnAnthony7: BigBucks: 1.

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BigBucks: JohnAnthony7: B

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FinancialNoviceII: BigBucks

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FinancialNoviceII: Ben

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Ben Shalom

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I know it's off topic but

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no way is westbrook better

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Ben Shalom

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BigBucks: Ben Shalom

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D. Wade has the 3rd highest

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Bosh is a good fit on the

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What I don't and never will

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JohnAnthony7: What I don't

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FinancialNoviceII: As we're

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happypantsmcgee: JohnAnthon

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tony parker is great, solid

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whoever thinks it is unclear

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Tony Parker is not a Top 10

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The question should be LeBron

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Totally agree Conan, he is

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I actually wouldn't be

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GoodBread: I actually

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this is tough.. I'm from

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Vontropnats: FinancialNovic

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Conan Sobroen: The question

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JohnAnthony7: GoodBread: I

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Yeah on second thought Rondo

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BigBucks: D. Wade has the 3rd

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Vontropnats: FinancialNovic

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Even as a Knicks fan, Melo is

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Melo is nuts dude. He

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I agree with you on Woodson.

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I'm like one of them marriage counselors. Charge by the hour to tell some fool he needa bring some flowers home. Then charge another hour telling the bitch she oughta suck some cock every little once in a while. Keep a marriage strong like that. -Prop Joe

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OP, you are dumb as shit.

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And if you don't feel melo is

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