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on 4/16/12 at 7:29pm
i will give my last SB to the monkey who can tell me who the P4P best fighter in MMA history is and why?
edit: Winner - evilbyaccident
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it's between gsp and silva.
it's between gsp and silva.
jec wrote: it's between gsp
it's between gsp and silva.
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i've decided gsp would be silva
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what about fedor, cro cop,
what about fedor, cro cop, matt hughes, big nog, rampage, iceman?
u guys gotta give some details as why you choose silva and gsp
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what about fedor, cro cop, matt hughes, big nog, rampage, iceman?
u guys gotta give some details as why you choose silva and gsp
Well Matt Hughes is clearly not number 1, as GSP is in the same weight division and made him look like an amateur in their final 2 matches. The same can be said for big nog, rampage, and iceman, as they have all been beaten handily, on more than one occasion, by people in their own class.
You could make an argument for Fedor, as he looked unstoppable for his entire career up until recently. However, he never fought the best of the best in the UFC, which is where the best of the best fight. He also got trounced by Dan Henderson, who is a stronger p4p candidate than every fighter you mentioned.
As for GSP vs. Silva, that's really a toss up. Both of them have run roughshod over their respective divisions, making other p4p candidates look stupid. If the two were to fight at the same weight, I honestly think GSP wet blankets Silva for 5 rounds. Pierre's explosive wrestling and suffocating top control will be too much for Silva, and zero chance does Georges get caught in some stupid submission.
That said, Jose Aldo is #1 P4P.
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As someone whose done their
As someone whose done their share of martial arts I'd have to say that GSP is definitely the more versatile and technically strong than Silva. He is definitely the more well-rounded of the two. Silva can be sloppy at times (although that might be because he hasn't had any real challenges lately). On a technical level, GSP would win decision after 5 rounds.
That said, I don't enjoy watching GSP fight. At all. Silva is much more entertaining to watch.
evilbyaccident
what about fedor, cro cop, matt hughes, big nog, rampage, iceman?
u guys gotta give some details as why you choose silva and gsp
Well Matt Hughes is clearly not number 1, as GSP is in the same weight division and made him look like an amateur in their final 2 matches. The same can be said for big nog, rampage, and iceman, as they have all been beaten handily, on more than one occasion, by people in their own class.
You could make an argument for Fedor, as he looked unstoppable for his entire career up until recently. However, he never fought the best of the best in the UFC, which is where the best of the best fight. He also got trounced by Dan Henderson, who is a stronger p4p candidate than every fighter you mentioned.
As for GSP vs. Silva, that's really a toss up. Both of them have run roughshod over their respective divisions, making other p4p candidates look stupid. If the two were to fight at the same weight, I honestly think GSP wet blankets Silva for 5 rounds. Pierre's explosive wrestling and suffocating top control will be too much for Silva, and zero chance does Georges get caught in some stupid submission.
That said, Jose Aldo is #1 P4P.
I totally get your point, but gotta realize that Matt Hughes, Fedor,Big Nog, Rampage, Iceman even Wanderlei Silva all these fighters were old when they joined the UFC. These guys were dominating in Pride. I actually think Fedor was the greatest, he won over Cro Crop, Big Nog, Mark Hunt, Coleman (UFC hall of Fame), Randleman, Silva & Avriloski (I agree they were past their prime), Mark Hunt etc. He did fight and is currently fighting shit opponents. He should have retired after Dan Hendo's loss (I mean Shield beat him!!). Also Bas Rutten called Fedor the best of all time too.
I'll give you the SB nonetheless.
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my favorite was mike tyson,
my favorite was mike tyson, dude was a beast
1. Silva 2. Fedor (in his
1. Silva
2. Fedor (in his prime)
3. GSP
4. Jose Aldo
Honorable mentions:
BJ Penn, Dan Henderson, Randy Couture
Look at what Anderson did in his first fights in the UFC, he wasnt clowning around and absolutely decimated Rich(twice) and Leben. He doesnt look as impressive now, because he has had no real challenge, no one is on his level in the striking realm and his ground game is solid.
And before the Chael nuthuggers start going, Anderson tapped Chael out with a broken rib. Chael was in a dominant position the entire fight and couldnt finish him, if silva had been in a dominant position for one round it wouldve been over.
GSP has crazy wrestling, but his striking is subpar compared to Anderson. Anderosn also does a good job of using his long reach in maintaining distance I dont think GSP could deal with it. Plus once you get Anderson to the ground hes still no joke(see Chael Sonnen, Dan Henderson, Travis Lutter)
go.with.the.flow
what about fedor, cro cop, matt hughes, big nog, rampage, iceman?
u guys gotta give some details as why you choose silva and gsp
Well Matt Hughes is clearly not number 1, as GSP is in the same weight division and made him look like an amateur in their final 2 matches. The same can be said for big nog, rampage, and iceman, as they have all been beaten handily, on more than one occasion, by people in their own class.
You could make an argument for Fedor, as he looked unstoppable for his entire career up until recently. However, he never fought the best of the best in the UFC, which is where the best of the best fight. He also got trounced by Dan Henderson, who is a stronger p4p candidate than every fighter you mentioned.
As for GSP vs. Silva, that's really a toss up. Both of them have run roughshod over their respective divisions, making other p4p candidates look stupid. If the two were to fight at the same weight, I honestly think GSP wet blankets Silva for 5 rounds. Pierre's explosive wrestling and suffocating top control will be too much for Silva, and zero chance does Georges get caught in some stupid submission.
That said, Jose Aldo is #1 P4P.
I totally get your point, but gotta realize that Matt Hughes, Fedor,Big Nog, Rampage, Iceman even Wanderlei Silva all these fighters were old when they joined the UFC. These guys were dominating in Pride. I actually think Fedor was the greatest, he won over Cro Crop, Big Nog, Mark Hunt, Coleman (UFC hall of Fame), Randleman, Silva & Avriloski (I agree they were past their prime), Mark Hunt etc. He did fight and is currently fighting shit opponents. He should have retired after Dan Hendo's loss (I mean Shield beat him!!). Also Bas Rutten called Fedor the best of all time too.
I'll give you the SB nonetheless.
FYI I've actually partied with Bas Rutten and he is the craziest person you've ever met.
Fedor is a child compared to
Fedor is a child compared to the UFC champs who should be in this discussion. And my favorite guy, people don't want to put up there because I don't think he has nearly as much history to base the decision on as others, but Jose Aldo. He has proven he's absolutely unstoppable at his weight class (and probably one up, one down, but we'll see). Anderson Silva has said multiple times that if Jose was a middleweight he'd retire because that's how ridiculous he is.
That said, I don't think he has the history behind him yet and Anderson Silva is the best of all time. He'd have one hell of a time against GSP considering he has trouble with wrestlers who can dampen his striking advantage (Chael), but I think you gotta give Silva the nod because of how much he dominates the game and how thoroughly entertaining he is. I don't think we'll ever see GSP/Silva but there's a small chance for Silva/Jones if they're up to it. All three would be best to leave it alone for their legacies, but obviously the rest of the world would love to see. With those three I think we'd see some sort of rock-paper-scissors scenario where GSP could beat Silva, Silva could beat Jones, and Jones could beat GSP.
Enough rambling - Anderson Silva is the best of all time. But the current p4p best is Jose Aldo. He just needs time to convince everyone else.
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In a few years we'll be
In a few years we'll be saying Bones, I imagine. Jose is the rising candidate now.
I like Silva as the P4P best, though. Just a unique skill set, and the record is there.
I'd lean more toward GSP than
I'd lean more toward GSP than Silva. Silva's standup striking is fantastic, of course, but GSP is a much better-rounded, more versatile package. Silva has some long-ass limbs; not quite freaky deaky Jon Jones, but long enough. Those would, however, only get in the way if someone like GSP, or even Randy Couture, manages to get in there.
Speaking of which, I have a tremendous respect for Couture. Dude was old and he knew it, so he changed his game to accomodate it and continued crushing his opposition with superior technique. They call it "dirty" but I think it's beautiful.
GSP vs Silva is a tough one.
GSP vs Silva is a tough one. GSP undoubtedly has less holes in his game and is hence in theory the more complete mixed martial artist, but Silva has by far more flashy and impressive wins. Add to the fact that he has never lost in the UFC and I'd say that by virtue of his record, he'd have to get the nod for G.O.A.T.
Aldo has recently had a brutal time cutting to 145 so I don't see him ever fighting at bantamweight. It'd be really interesting to see what he can do at the stacked 55 division, but I wouldn't be so quick to bet on him against the monsters there like Edgar, Bendo, etc. I can't stand Jones but I think at this point it's evident at that barring injury, he'll likely surpass everybody in the sport - perhaps even before he turns thirty.
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from my mma aficionado friend:
"If you go back in the day you have to say royce gracie, but I'm sure alot of guys nowadays would get him. Jon Jones and Jose Aldo are right up there right now in pound for pound. Royce gracie was taking out heavy weights. I'm not the biggest Anderson Silva fan after watching him dance around the ring in a few fights."
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Gracie was definetly the
has been hard to keep up with
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If Jones beats Suga i'll put
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Royce was good for his time,
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