10/10/11

Hi all,

So for a class, I need to basically pick a company and do a DCF/comparables analysis along with a short spiel about some of the qualitative aspects of it (i.e. the strategy, industry trends, etc.). I was wondering what characteristics you recommend and or, if you're feeling generous, if you have some tickers I should look into for researching.

Based on some searching I've done, since I figured I'm not the only one to ask this, I've gathered that I should pick something with a relatively simple business model (i.e. not a JPM or other bank), that isn't that diversified (i.e. not GE/MMM with tons of different departments), and smaller is better. However, I'm wondering if there is anything more that you would add to this (these were the main points people seemed to emphasize), if you have advice for what sectors typically have more info on them, or if you've done something like this for a class and wanted to share some ideas about what you/others have chosen and why you would/wouldn't pick the company to value again.

But any info would be great (beggars can't be choosers), thanks!

EDIT: Oh, I guess that I should at least give you guys a company instead of just asking for help. I was thinking about doing a DCF/comp on Coach. Can talk about lots of things qualitatively (how is company coping with mat costs, international expansion, luxury vs retail brand comparison), but it's also relatively simple business model (it sells purses/accessories and maybe a few shoes/clothes) and retail is an interesting industry to me. I'm worried about the size though and finding comparables. Thoughts on this one?

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10/10/11

For the DCF component, I would also pick a company in a defensive industry with steady and predicable cash flows. This way, you can project out future cash flows with more certainty. I would find a mature business so that you can reasonably estimate / control CAPEX and D&A. You probably know the rest... Nothing too funky like a FIG or TMT company that will require a lot of sensitivities...

I would honestly find a brand name (American-centric) foods company that is an one-trick pony. Foods because it is a consumer staple and has a simple business model. Brand name is important so that you can pass on the increase in commodity costs to the consumers... American-centric business so you are not dealing with additional competitive strategy dynamics and exchange rate complexities...

I would be curious to see what you come up with. Let us know when you find Mr. Right...

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10/10/11

I like SAP as your choice, enterprise software is a business a lot of bigger tech companies are diversifying into, plenty of competitors, been around long enough.

just keep in mind that because they're a german company, their filings will look a bit different.

marriott would be interesting as well. I think your point about disney is accurate, there are few competitors to the company as a whole. many may compete with segments, but as a whole there aren't a lot of comparables.

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10/10/11

well you need to know what company but then a lot of the companies can be 'good', do you want a heavy industriallike Boeing or a retail consumer staple like walmart or what? very different stories and effect from things on all these companies

10/10/11

try a regulated utility....your life will be much easier

10/10/11

I am aware that SAP is a german company, and the last thing I want to do is just trapped in a tailspin mid-stream because the statements are not in the standards a student would expect/be able to understand quickly. Gonna ding Disney:( and SAP

There's more personal upside to Exelon and Black and Decker. Anyone have any insights into those industries?

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10/10/11

McDonald's might be a good idea -- you can wrap your head around that business model and how they make money. Not that you can't with the other ones, but it might help you understanding the ER process if you at least know what in the world you're looking at.

10/10/11

SWK might be a bit simpler to analyze, and they're not comparable to CAT or DE, more to ITW, SNA, etc

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10/10/11

SAP is an international leading enterprise software provider, their statements are just fine. It's not like it is a paper manufacturer in rural china with revenues of $30m. Wouldn't worry about that too much.

10/10/11

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10/10/11

I analysed Delhaize Group for my assignment. It's a Belgian supermarket group with an interesting past, a narrow portfolio and clear competitors (Carrefour, Ahold, Colruyt a.o.). Although it's not in your list, I recommend adding it.

10/10/11

I'd take Boeing, there is a lot going on in that space with Boeing vs airbus right now

10/10/11

Thanks for the suggestions so far! I've done a bit of screening on utilities since you guys recommended them and came up with either Northwest Natural Gas (NWN), Portland General Electric (POR), or Waste Management (WM). I feel like Waste Management would have the most info and the easiest to find comparable companies for since it's a bit larger (i.e. Republic Services immediately comes to mind), but it's size will also pose other challenges when valuing out divisions. NWN is kind of other end where it's too small and too simple making it hard to find comparables/do in depth analysis of flows. So basically, my question is, is size as big of a concern as I'm making it out to be, or does it really just depend on how complicated the company's structure is (i.e. a 20 billion dollar company with 1 or 2 divisions is easier to value than a 200 million dollar company with lots of divisions)?

Also, did anyone like my initial finding in Coach? I thought it might be interesting because it's relatively small for a large cap with only around 4 billion in revenue and <1 billion in net income, has a simple model, can find lots of info, and I'd actually be interested in the industry it's in (no homo).

Thanks for the help all!

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10/10/11

Mcdonalds would be the easiest it is my opinion an outperform is easier to write about and sell than a MP or UP stock. Staples are boring (WMT) and F and BA are kind of a nightmare.

10/10/11

Re; Coach....just took a quick look at their 10-K and it's very straight forward. Stable revenues, EPS and cash flows. The DCF would ve very simple. Your idea is solid IMHO.

10/10/11

Are you more interested in winning or learning? If winning, do you know how it's being judged? Depending on how it's being judged, McDonalds may be a hell of a lot easier than the rest of them but you need to make sure you do a rock solid job.

10/10/11

Call me crazy but I picked Ford when I did my Equity Research project in my class. I was curious to learn how they survive, so I picked it.

But since this is a competition go with what interests you first. It's easier to sell something you like than something you don't.

By the way, Boeing was going to be my 2nd choice if not for Ford...I think the Airbus v. Boeing competition is pretty cool.

10/10/11

Thanks for all the input guys!

Not to sound overly prudent here, but I really want to win this because it will be judged in part by a very large bank with possible internship offers at the end. It will also be judged by the prof who has made it clear that she is looking for technical accuracy in the analysis. I want to stay away from WMT because I guess everyone will do it, because it's easy.

I've been looking at BA and I've access to their past three years earnings conference calls, so that should be a plus. I honestly don't know much about Ford to comment either way.

But do you guys think technically BA is a bad choice? Too hard? I'd have to get the comparables and accounting stuff spot on to get my foot through the door.

10/10/11

There is no bad choice here. Go with what you are most interested in, because then you will be willing to work harder at learning the company.

I would recommend contacting the IR person right away, explain your project, and ask if they have any sell side ER they can share (they get it all and they read it). If they aren't willing to share any of the research, ask which sell side analysts they'd recommend contacting to further discuss their company. By going to the IR person first, you might be able to bypass the headache of contacting 20 different analysts (unless you already have access to sell side research, in which case just start there).

10/10/11

I feel like Boeing will require a ton of fin stmt adjustments- especially when it comes to dealing with operating/finance leases. Just my 2c.

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10/10/11

With Boeing, just realize that half the company is commercial aerospace and the other half is defense. With that said, it's a company I like a lot and I think they're well-positioned in both markets.

10/10/11

I picked Boeing - still looks like a good challenge!

Question: If you're intuitively leaning on a buy, do you leave out some of the negative information which may make the buy seem technically shaky?

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