Being Successful as a Late Starter
Hi,
I am receiving my Bachelor in a few months. After this I planned to do a one-year master-program in finance. Unfortunately I picked up my studies pretty late (at the age of 29). So I will be 33 when I will finally start working. Although my grades have always been in the top ten percent range, my age is bothering me all the time and I keep questioning, if it will hinder me from being successful in the financial sector, as most people start their working career at 23/24.
Do you actually know/have ever met somebody who started his working career at a similar age and managed to be (really) successful in the financial sector? Or will the age factor most likely always be a criteria that disqualifies one?
Regards
What were you doing that made you get your Bachelors 10 years late?
tbh i dont think your age will be a problem for anyone other than you- you might have a bit of a difficult time fitting in, but you'll be considered just like anybody else, and tbh, careers on the street are short as it is.. i think 22-32 is just as fine as 33-43 and so on
You need a good story to explain why you enrolled in college that late. The longer your gap, the better story you need to prepare. Anw, banks need excel slaves, so yeah, 29 or 39, doesn't matter as long as you are quick and sharp with excel, have decent knowledge in corporate finance, and have the stamina to endure long hours.
Whether advanced age is a hindrance would depend on firm culture. If the culture acutely disfavored oldsters, probably you just wouldn't be hired in the first place.
I started in finance at age 41 (not counting 2 yrs. with the WSJ). IDK if I'd meet your criterion of "really successful" since I'm getting paid like an IB associate, at age 55. But I'm very happy with the finance part of my career. My extra work & life experience relative to 25-year-olds has been a great help.
In my experience, some of the best analysts/associates have been older (i.e. 29-35). The biggest issue I have seen with these individuals is NOT the firm worrying about their age, but rather, them getting discouraged after working for a year and realizing they are 8-10 years behind their peers. If you can get over this, there is no reason you can't succeed as an older analyst or associate.
No big deal, brother. Keep grinding.
I have a problem too! I have Master's degree and years of business managing experience. Since last year i had to move country and start from 0! No money in the bank and trying to start from real dusty ground!
I completely understand how you feel. It sometimes gives you a huge feeling of regret that you waited so long and that you may be stuck never being able to achieve anything significant in your chosen field, specifically finance. I actually thought about going after something completely different instead because I was so self-conscience. I will be finishing up my last year of undergraduate studies at the age of 31 due to issues dealing with an unstable household and my own parents kicking me out at 22. I decided 5 years ago after learning about the markets(trading specifically) that I wanted to get into a BB and eventually land a role at a hedge fund as a PM.
Long story short, I was able to get into a target school from a community college through good grades and subsequently landing two BB S&T offers for this summer. I will tell you that the question of "how did you get here at this age" did come up in every interview for both IB and S&T. I made sure I knew my story solid and could spin it to why my background fits into this role. Banks just want to make sure you have the basic competence to do the job and you like finance(as stated above). I honestly wouldn't worry about the whole "success" part as that is pretty much relative. A kid coming from an ivy at 22, landing a role at MS or EVR then moving to a mega PE fund may consider that a huge success while you may value having a 10+ year career in corporate banking after the age of 33 a certain degree of success. Ultimately for me, I was always told myself if I'm going to be turning 31 anyway I might as well turn 31 doing something I enjoy.
pm me if you have any specific questions
Hi,
first of all thank you for sharing your opinions. Definitely motivates me to further pursue my goals. I did not go furhter into detail for what reason I startet my studies that late. And that is actually my biggest problem as it will be hard to sell well in future interviews. After receiving my A-level I participated in an university program for roughly 5 month and then quitted. Back then my family broke apart and me left on my own thought it would be best to work fulltime and "earn some money" instead of studying. In retrospect obv a very immature reasoning. I ended up working for all those years in a large gastronomy. For most of the years I was in an executive position, but I guess that won't impress nobody. At 29 I quitted my job and finally picked up my studies. Since day one I worked constantly in two jobs. One at a science-oriented department at my university (mechanical engineering with a main focus on process optimization) and another one in a caritative field. That is a chapter I may be able to sell well, but all the years before are tough to justify. What may be the best approach to "kow my story solid". Stick to the truth and hope for an appreciative interviewer or do I have to amplify my story to not disqualify myself.
I think it is easy to get lost and feel discouraged in an environment where a lot of people are 5 years younger than you yet doing so much better financially. As someone who might actually be going into IB late (either late 20s or in my 30s, currently in Sales), this is something that is worrying to me too. Seeing a 22 year old make six figures in NYC while I am left asking myself what I was doing with my life at that age.
The big thing to keep in mind is that you are still going to be doing better than most of the population.
A lot of people just never get it, they don't make that push and would be lucky to make 80k a year because they decided to take another less lucrative path. The thing to keep in mind is better late than never, especially if you want to wrk in such a career.
A brief update (I am adding this here instead of opening another thread, as I have already outlined my background):
I just received my degree an will start an internship in a few weeks from now (Big4 - Valuation). At the moment I am finishing my applications for a MSc Finance in the UK and, although this is somewhat a topic that has been discussed over and over again, I would be thankful for a second meaning (as my case is a little uncommon). Do you guys think I should consider one of the top MSc Finance programs in the UK (assuming I would get in)? On the one hand I am really unsure if it's worth the ~60k (including living-costs) for Universities like LSE. On the other hand, many of the cheaper ones seem to be heavily overpriced. Do you think with an unfortunate cv like mine it would make any difference at all? A simplified categorization of my options would be as follows (tuition fees only):
LSE: ~39000€ University of Edinburgh: ~24000€ Strathclyde Business School: ~14000€
When I read statements like "as soon as you're in an interview, your cv goes out of the window..." I feel like "just go for Strathclyde and do one or two internships alongside". But then I scroll through LinkedIn and see such a high ratio of LSE alumni getting into Analyst positions at BB right away. As I said - would be very thankful for sharing your view on this.
Too late to start IB career? (Originally Posted: 02/12/2014)
I'm 27 and have graduated Engineering from a Russel Group (top 24) Uni with a 2.2, followed by a 2.1 Masters in Management from a less prestigious Uni.
I've been working on my own start up since graduation, but it looks like its time to pursue other ventures. I do not have an internship experience with any Finance companies and while my degrees are both applicable in some manner, they did not cover finance topics in any major way.
How should I best go about getting into a position where I can start a career at this late stage. I'm will to work for free just to put a foot in the door, but I'm guessing that, that won't be enough.
People who got into the industry, got in straight out of Uni at 22/23. Have I missed the boat? Does anyone know of older entrants into the field?
it's definitely possible. in fact most associates are about that old, if not older.
While most people start IB pretty young, there are a handful that start much later. I'm not quite sure about BBs because of their more formal recruiting cycles, but at a lot of MM banks and boutiques there are analysts/associates around your age. ie. there's an associate who is 31 at the bank I'm at right now..and he just got promoted this year.
I was formerly an analyst at a BB, and there were ~2 analyst in my class who were older - believe 25 and 27, but could be wrong. Not sure how the process worked for them, but they had atypical backgrounds (e.g., one was in the NFL)
however, I think going to bschool and entering as an associate is your best bet
not sure how interested you are in bschool, but if you take a 2 year view, the difference between analyst and associate comp should cover the cost of bschool in a little more than the 2 years it would take you to get the degree
Well that is I suppose good to hear re: my age.
Next question would be my academics & lack of internships, will they prevent me from getting employed? I do have a good CV in terms of achievements & extra curricular activities as well as the experience starting my own company (regardless of whether it succeeded in the long run).
hard to say, lack of relevant undergrad study and work experience looks marginally negative, though
while the industry experience you gained through company could perhaps be helpful (e.g., if you ran an internet company and want to work in tech banking), don't think most banks will care about it. If you want to be a banking analyst, realize most banks are looking for reasonably smart people to churn out excel and ppt files, not entrepreneurs
Don't mean this to be discouraging, just sharing a candid view. On a more hopeful note, I've found that there are ALWAYS exceptions to these norms I've observed - will take stronger will to try to fight gravity, though
It's never too late.
Starting late (Originally Posted: 11/02/2010)
Hi all, long time lurker here. I have a specific question no one I know can really answer. I'm a senior at a non target, graduating in May, finance, OK GPA (hovering at 3.4) and clear understanding of financial modeling. I have a decent network, opportunities to talk to and meet people in NY. Problem is I have not started applying to jobs yet.. its November. I have (i think) decent experience doing business analysis at 2 startup software companies. I eventually want to get into VC, but starting as an analyst seems the right route to me. Anyone who can answer, what is my outlook?
Should I go for a summer analyst internship, I know those don't recruit until Dec/Jan, and I would like to get a real IB on my resume. Feasible, when should one optimally start networking for this?
Do smaller middle markets and boutiques ever hire off season? Do I have a chance starting to cold call and contact alumni this late in the game?
Any advice would be very appreciated.
Also if you are a banker with some experience I'll take you out to lunch in the city to talk about this stuff :)
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