The ivy league/Ibanking girl scale

Man, you went to Yale; chances are you've never even seen a hot girl before.

i went to public high school in CT. there were many hot girls there. My brother went to Cornell and we often compare the girls. Its a +2 there as well.

i think it has more to do with location than the school..i.e. cali/florida women are better looking than NYC women...so a 10 here would be a 7 there

no, its def. school. b/c stanford chicks couldnt be any better, whereas UConn chicks are hot.

Total packages are rare

I actually find girls in banking to be better looking the the average population. When you go through 8 interviews to work at some place, the really bad looking ones tends to get filtered out. (Even if the interviewers don't conciously do this)

I need two more bananas to view the bonus board so here goes value adding comment number two, haha, Ivy girls don't look worse than state-school girls either, just that state-schools (for example the big 10) have more girls so naturally more good looking ones too.

1) Skinny 2) Dye job 3) Plain face

Discuss

Laughable to say that ivy league girls don't look any worse than state school or not as prestigious private school girls. Appears as though someone has had their ivy goggles on way too long.

Hey, guys. As much as I'm enjoying reading this thread, and as much as I'd like to chime in with my own thoughts on the physical ranking of men from state schools vs. Ivy-Leaguers, IB men vs. starving artist boys, and which are the most likely to be disgusting, weird, or otherwise completely unacceptable to me (and that, clearly, I would never-ever date because I'm just TOO elite for them), I thought this might be an appropriate paraphrase for the situation:

"If Courtney only likes me for my muscles and the heft of my cock, then she's a shallow bitch. But a physically-superior, near-perfect-looking shallow bitch, and that can overcome anything. Except maybe bad breath."

-- Paraphrased from American Psycho.

They have enormous alien looking heads and they also have no ass whatsoever (oh might as well throw in no tits too). Wasting Time does not approve, send those geek fucks back to China.

i love hot chicks. if i was a girl id be a lesbian

Man, this board has really degenerated....but that being said, anyone who doesn't think asian chicks are hot is out of his fucking mind. And the big problem with those midwestern state schools is that about 60% of the girls are giant fat asses. Stick to the coasts.

People must be going through their puberty...

fobby asian girls with jacked up teeth are pretty unattractive...just like any white girl with a pizza face, cankles, and a nose the size of texas.

yeah, but their teeth is offset by their small nose

about white guys in banking? now I think they are pretty gross....

notice how women never talk about how cute bankers are? They just talk about how much money they make...yeah there's a reason for that! Women will never want you all for your looks, just the paycheck you bring home.

There's this 250 pound short bald fat dude in my group who is always sweaty and loves to talk about how ugly the girls are at the bank... I find it amusing b/c he probably couldn't even get an ugly one.

Yeah, it can be funny when guys rank girls without considering where they would stand in a similar ranking.

I could drop a big long pointed disdainful post about banker-boy attitude, lack of maturity, awful hygiene, insufficient height, taste in clothes, stupid hair, lack of musculature, and the fact that they never have time to go to the gym or tanning salon. But I don't really concern myself with that stuff, and besides, what good would I gain out of insinuating that you guys are all short, pasty, hairy, smelly, childish, uncool, out of shape, and generally unacceptable? Dissing other people never really makes you feel good; it just lends you some status in front of your peers because it's always cooler to disdain something than to accept it. That's why I wouldn't want to post something along those lines, no matter how elite and discerning it might make me look and feel.

lest ye be judged

I'm not really gonna try to chime in on this discussion...its will only land me further into Hell

ms ind, i beg to differ. i would rather get screamed at for two hours than miss a day at the gym. ive been tagged as too scary for girls. i know many guys at my bank that lift right there w/me.

I understand your sentiment, but that doesn't change any of the other points. Trips to the gym are only a tiny portion of the whole package.

and what else makes the package

Mis Ind....what IS up with the "insufficient height" of male bankers?? I've recently moved shop and found some guys I don't tower over in my heels, but they are a rarity (and no - I'm not a 6'2" freak)

youre a 6'1" freak

the wit!

the truth!

Dan - something tells me you're 5'4 even with that chip on your shoulder...

Mis Ind... tanning salon? What kind of fag goes to a tanning salon?

I usually like girls with out the pukeass fake tan, I find them a lot more attractive with their regular skin tone.

But yeah I workout every day and I think all girls should too. I see lots of skinny girls with no tone in their body whatsoever. This is a sign that she will be fat and pathetic looking in the future.

I'm also 6'2" and don't see how that would make anyone a freak.

in 5'10" and i hate the fake tans as well

Dan, dude. No need to be defensive. I'm sure you are a superb mental/physical/emotional specimen far above all other male bankers. You don't need to defend yourself against each and every point I actually didn't make.

Guys, do you see how this illustrates my real point? It's easy to feel a little ruffled when you hear people stereotyping/dissing a group that you belong to. Dan, you were swift to jump in and defend yourself when I hinted that one could say there was something wrong with banker guys. Do you see now how a girl might feel when reading your posts about the unhotness of female bankers?

exactly....i read all of this stuff about how us IB girls are all dogs and then i make one comment about you guys and you can't take it!

Yep, that's pretty much the lay of the land, Livingthedream. They can dish it out, but they can't take it.

good to hear the women are holding their own on this thread

No, no, we're still being nice and sweet and placid. Nobody has started in with the real equal/equivalent reactions.

Yet.

i cant beat girls. i dont no. if a guy wrote what ms ind just wrote i would prolly say fuck off. but i cant say it. she makes her point with grace.

I say we all play nice. I'll accept that some IB chicks are less than easy on the eye in the same way some of the boys are too. There are a few of us who have managed to slip through the brains, looks and ambition loophole, but we do form the minority.

Motion to play nice on the table; I second. Opposed?

(If the guys really insist, I'm sure the girls can behave just as badly, but I doubt we'd take any joy in it.)

Mis Ind:

• Tanning salon? I'll forgive this one since you grew up "in the ghetto" or whatever (just kidding).

• Some people here might not be able to take it, but I can, so go ahead and dish it out. Not only do I know that looks/hygiene/physicality are only a tiny fraction of the whole picture that girls want, but I also don't really care what someone says about IB analysts in general.

• I don't really understand your point. I don't get the American Psycho quote either. "Do you see now how a girl might feel when reading your posts about the unhotness of female bankers?" So is that your whole point? Seems fairly obvious.

• Even if I were handicapped and had never touched a girl, would that exclude me from being able to say, "that girl is ugly"? It's like when I say, "Michael Vick is worse than Tom Brady." Are you going to get all annoyed and tell me, "Oh, like you could do better"? No, because that is irrelevant and doesn't prove anything.

I'm not trying to bitch at you, honestly. Just don't really see what the big deal is.

zala, you actually are a douche. i take my other post back.

Dan, there's nothing wrong with my post above.

Okay, gotcha.

I still have one problem, though, Mis ind:

"....the guys on this thread are behaving in a shallow and hypocritical manner without seeming to realize it."

Shallow is one thing. I defniitely "realize" that the poll is shallow and the comments are shallow; I guess you're saying that others here are unaware of that. But hypocritical?

Yeah, some guy came across as a bit hypocritical when he couldn't take the foreshadowing of a bit of return criticism. That's all I was saying.

ms ind, how do you not think that way? whenever i pass a girl i check her out.

I can always find a second or two to check a guy out...and I'm sure I read somewhere that we have a subconscious reaction where we size someone up and decide within 30 seconds whether or not we'd sleep with them

yup, except a guy can tell in about 5 seconds

Dan, I just don't think about people's physical bodies that much. I pay far more attention to social interaction than I do physiques.

ms. ind, ms. ind. there is no way any girl pays far more attention to social interaction than physiques. maybe as much but not far more

Sorry, dude. That's the way I am. You can believe me or not, but I'm usually completely clueless as to whether someone is ugly or beautiful. If I hear people talking about someone, then I can think about it and kinda see what they're saying, but it's nothing I think about on my own.

Most likely, the reason for this is that I'm underexposed to visual culture (no TV, very little in the way of movies/magazines, none of the common visual culture on the internet). The reason you feel disinclined to believe me is probably because you're not used to being around someone like that. To me, though, it seems weird and even unnatural to be so visually-oriented.

Mis Ind I don't think they make many like you. I wouldn't consider myself overly concerned with looks - personality can make someone ugly/ attractive, but I still can't help but do the 'once over'. I'm not rating everyone on that fuckability scale you mentioned earlier, its more of a tic/ habit i guess.....

Yeah, I think that particular trait of mine is relatively uncommon.

i dont no, i think guys think differently. i think guys are much more sexually oriented than gals.

I think that's a fact Dan...again have seen it in a survey somewhere. Us girls are more forgiving to a facially challenged person - we're ready to give benefit of the doubt. But we're talking about looking for boyfriend material here. If its just about the hook up, then I'm all about the body/ looks. Its just science

what do you emphasize with repect to the boyfriend deal

its almost same thing i look for when interviewing...intelligence, personality, wit. "Do i want this person to be around me at 2am when its a crunch deadline and the MD is being an asshole?" = "Is it easy to be around this person, is it natural, does he make me laugh, does he interest me" etc etc. There has to be physical attraction, but that can come and hit you later on. Like I said, personality can make someone attractive.

If he can play geetar then that's a bonus!!

I don't think interviews are a good way to show if a person is intelligence/wit or even a good indication of their true personality. During an interview, the interviewee is going to be nervous and not in his or hers true self. I know when I

well - i normally see people at second or third round (i can't be bothered with first round), so I'm hoping that people are more comfortable at that stage...and you should be. I see interviews as a fairly stressful situation and unfortunately in banking, you'll be in that situation a lot - eg presenting your analysis/ conclusions to company heads. If you can't shine through in an interview then it doesn't bode well for later in my book. Almost like the advice given to Dan about the laydeez, you need to go in not caring about the outcome (=relaxed) but not come off as not caring either - you need to let people know you're interested. Do your homework, be prepared and there's nothing to worry about. You need to have the confidence that if you've been selected to interview then there's something interesting about you - and at the wash up, if someone speaks up for you, even if you've done shitty at another stage then they can get you through.

I see "presenting your analysis/ conclusions to company heads" as public speaking and that doesn't even bother me one bit, but interviews, just something about them that get me nervous. Presenting information to your boss/company head is no problem, but presenting yourself for an interview is just plain uncomfortable.

Interviewing is like trying to pick up on a hot girl, it's rather difficult unless you're good at it.

Analysts don't do a lot of presenting in front of F500 CEOs. If anything, they sit there on the verge of passing out while someone higher up does the talking. Then they leave after 2 years.

I don't want to say livingthedream doesn't know what she's talking about, but it's true taht someone who interviews well is not necessarily going to be a perfect analyst.

i see your point, but i was talking more about talking to someone you want as a potential client. why should they hire you/ replace their current BB bank - so it is an interview of sorts. you just need to be sure that you present the best you can and that your work (read: cv/ experience for interviewees) is better than anyone elses.

Interview are tough, practice makes perfect.

zala, you are a college student. livingthedream is a banker. take her advice

Zala/ Dan - I see both your points. Again, I'll reiterate that I was (un)lucky in that I got thrown into the fire quite early on. One of my first 'talking episodes' happened after the MD said to me "you'll do the valuation section as I don't know anything about these comps" which really made me step up...I didn't know so much...you can spend hours/ days on a presenation/ comps and know nothing really at the end of the day due to tunnel vision - gave me the lesson from day one.

Also - Zala, I've come in to contact with many kick ass interviewees who SUCK at banking - both junior and senior to me, but that's all I have to go on sometimes. If someone rocks an interview and sells themselves, then we buy. Sometimes that's all they've got. Then they get weeded out.

I should say that he said that to me in the lift (yes - I'm a brit) on the way up to the meeting

over in London, lots of the banks have 'grad intakes' where you are almost on trial for 6 months, so its like an extended interview and no guaranteed job at the end. that works as you get to test their BS. if you make the cut, then you're an analyst. if you're lucky.

I'm short (5' 6- 5'7), but I'm in great shape (very muscular)

Will I be at a disadvantage in the IB world? interviews? girls?

Dude, whatever. You're fine. Why worry?

mikilzrd: i'm really hoping you're joking

Is that going to be a problem come full time interviews?