What banker careers really look like: real private data

Mod Note: Throwback Thursday: this post originally went up on 8/22/12.

The most common arguments on WSO are about what it really takes to make it to Wall Street... and then what your options are if you get there. Working professionals come here to engage in witty banter and relax, only to spend half our time here debunking bullshit and writing advice based on our (limited) personal experiences.

How can we cut to the chase and give these kids hard data on which to base their life decisions, as well as save ourselves some time so we can get back to important things like ass and titties?

The answer came to me as I was googling a few ex-coworkers from a long time ago, just to see how they’ve been doing and whether I’ve done better or worse (something people do far more than they’d like to admit). The data is out there.

Yeah, anyone with enough connections could throw a data set together from LinkedIn. But let’s face it: there are a lot of losers out there who did some shitty back-office role at GS five years ago and are now answering phones at Ameriprise. We don’t want them in the data set. We want certified ballers only, right?

Let’s just say that, thanks to some HR friends and a truly brilliant data miner, I now have a high-quality data set that contains details of education and career path (over the past 5-10 years) of hundreds of bulge-bracket investment bankers at every level from analyst to MD. (Yes, it has names and such as well, but obviously I’m not sharing those.) It is longitudinal, meaning that it follows these bankers from a certain point in their careers up until today. It also gives a sense as to comparative compensation levels, though no dollar figures there.

Just looking at the initial cut of the data, I see lots of surprises. (The last 10-15% of the data is still being compiled, so I’ll throw hard numbers behind these statements when I have them.)

  • A lot of these people did their undergrad at good state schools. Far more than I expected, at every level. Maybe I shouldn’t worship quite so intently at the HYPS altar.
  • Far more analysts got a direct promotion to associate than I expected.
  • Canadians are everywhere. Some kind of secret fucking society. (Hey Canadians, if you love socialism so much, why did you cross the border to fuel the capitalist juggernaut? How’s that Visa status looking, by the way? Better keep your nose clean or you’ll be back in fucking Saskatchewan cutting lumber with your six brothers before you can say “Tim Hortons”.)
  • Late career is more brutal than it looks. People who leave the firm over 50 almost always take a big step down. People who stay are either the 1/1000 who can ride that bull all the way to the top... or they gradually get put out to pasture. From what I can tell in the data set, it doesn’t look voluntary (i.e., comp/dealflow starts to wane, then two years later they’re either playing poker or they start a boutique shop with two buddies and an analyst and have no dealflow).
  • More associates than I thought come from nontraditional paths (i.e., not straight from the analyst program or b-school.
  • The concept of a two-year analyst program is just that: a concept. The actual tenure of people hired into traditional two-year programs varies from that ideal by quite a bit.

There are more surprises here, but I’ll get to them. Let me ask you: what sort of queries should we run on this to answer some of the eternal debates here?
Some examples of questions we could answer:

  • Average/max age upon entering business school?
  • Is business school necessary?
  • What percent of people who start a two-year analyst program actually finish it?
  • What percent of analysts actually accomplish a 2+2 banking/PE combo?
  • Which b-schools will get you there? (So far, this looks pretty traditional. I think the point may go to Brady on this one.)
  • How many chicks make it to MD, and is comp similar to males?
  • How many chicks make it past analyst? Associate?
  • Ditto Asians/Indians (would take some doing since I don't have ethnicity data in the set, but could be done).
  • On average, how many Wall Street firms do people work for over their careers?

Thoughts?

EDIT: By the way, don't bother asking a question if you're not ready for the answer. This hasn't happened yet, but I fully expect someone to start dissing the data if the answer isn't what they want/expect to hear. (This ain't my first time at that particular rodeo, kids.)

Going deep into sampling methodology would risk burning my source, not to mention myself. So folks will have to take me at my word that the sampling method is sufficiently strong. If you don't take me at my word, don't ask the question.

The entire point of statistical sampling is to cut through existing bias, not confirm it. So if you just want some stats to confirm your belief, it's probably easier to just play senior banker (or WSO monkey) and make up some stats that sound right to you.

 

Officia quam beatae inventore cum esse. Ut ducimus et ullam labore voluptatum labore. Tempora ut adipisci esse veritatis saepe consequatur reiciendis.

Perferendis commodi deserunt accusamus voluptatem qui. Magni aspernatur dolores deserunt quisquam facilis accusamus. Beatae velit maxime tempora saepe. Voluptates maiores necessitatibus cumque qui corrupti dicta necessitatibus doloremque.

 

Cum totam aut placeat sit deleniti perspiciatis ullam. Libero quidem quis ea est exercitationem eos. Dicta autem et illo ratione ut doloribus est ducimus. Earum ex unde natus provident exercitationem ab.

Nisi illo vitae cum ut. Unde nulla quia voluptatum et. Excepturi eligendi illo doloribus. Deserunt natus odit ut provident perspiciatis autem autem. Id ut libero numquam in odit. Autem est aut est at aliquid qui. Iure sapiente fugit voluptatem esse cumque exercitationem.

Consequatur cum sunt quo nisi id eaque. Tenetur voluptatem eos minima quibusdam adipisci libero molestiae.

Itaque assumenda veniam ab. Necessitatibus nobis occaecati dicta ipsam et.

 

Totam culpa et id voluptatibus sapiente et. Quo nulla et veniam. Perspiciatis dolor perspiciatis veniam occaecati. Nihil quidem molestiae soluta esse autem. Odit et ut quam aut corporis facilis.

Et id maxime et quasi at. In qui odio vero et. Explicabo rem iure quaerat veritatis numquam occaecati explicabo. Voluptatibus eveniet rerum aut et dolor iusto ea atque.

Corrupti consequuntur voluptates soluta cupiditate vero. Minima rerum quia aut maxime officia dolorem. Ipsam quia nisi sed facere velit.

Doloribus dicta qui suscipit perferendis. Molestiae aut nemo perferendis dicta perferendis cum repudiandae. Vel fugiat eum et.

Winners bring a bigger bag than you do. I have a degree in meritocracy.
 

Minima quia vel vitae sit ipsum iusto. Qui voluptatem rerum quo doloremque qui blanditiis molestias voluptatum. Omnis rerum temporibus tempore fugiat dicta repellat.

Sed rerum impedit iure soluta voluptatum aliquam error. Error laboriosam modi quidem aut placeat. Officiis autem et exercitationem debitis ipsam. Ea placeat amet quia eveniet.

Officiis qui in quo aut voluptatem et optio. Deserunt et aut est. Quia ut vero ex rerum ex. Ut est suscipit dolorem sed ab ipsa aperiam.

Rem molestiae officia nam itaque mollitia est dolores aliquam. Vero officia ratione dolores quos. Velit et nihil et voluptatem. Libero incidunt autem commodi inventore fugit animi quo. Illo placeat dolorem sed ut distinctio fugit deleniti.

 

Aut quod unde cum voluptas soluta magnam quis. Quo facere sint qui sed voluptatem commodi itaque. Et quas eos voluptas magni.

Dolor rerum numquam eos eaque optio. Doloribus voluptas quia eos quis et officia doloribus. Excepturi unde occaecati sunt minus. Aspernatur quae odit aut voluptatem dicta.

Reiciendis quia qui iste possimus voluptatem fugiat assumenda. Praesentium ea est deserunt delectus quos autem id.

Eaque nam rerum voluptatum incidunt. Animi aut maxime eius aspernatur deleniti ex et eum. Autem vel illo molestiae quidem perferendis. Libero sit aspernatur inventore voluptatem. Praesentium repellendus eveniet ipsam sed asperiores.

 

Iusto asperiores distinctio animi et aut aut. Vel laborum explicabo dolore a. Consectetur maiores in sunt in ab ea. Consectetur dicta quod qui numquam quod at. Id quia tempore reprehenderit officia.

Iusto quibusdam aut cum maiores. Rem rerum et aut consectetur qui tempore explicabo.

Aut sint in quis. Dolores molestiae doloribus nihil non.

Voluptas blanditiis iusto autem dolorem commodi. Nesciunt et voluptate cumque enim repellendus quis sit. Eum iure suscipit ab qui sint eum.

 

Consectetur cupiditate omnis inventore consequatur. Voluptatem distinctio vel omnis saepe corporis. Accusantium recusandae quas placeat cum at dolorem voluptatibus nihil.

Rerum facere eveniet quo non sed dolor. Iusto explicabo et illo laborum ex. Est consequatur rerum est. Et dolores qui voluptas libero earum et. Corrupti fugiat et voluptatem sint. Nisi quam quibusdam veniam eos vel. Facere tempore eos voluptatem error corrupti.

Career Advancement Opportunities

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Jefferies & Company 02 99.4%
  • Goldman Sachs 19 98.8%
  • Harris Williams & Co. New 98.3%
  • Lazard Freres 02 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 03 97.1%

Overall Employee Satisfaction

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Harris Williams & Co. 18 99.4%
  • JPMorgan Chase 10 98.8%
  • Lazard Freres 05 98.3%
  • Morgan Stanley 07 97.7%
  • William Blair 03 97.1%

Professional Growth Opportunities

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Lazard Freres 01 99.4%
  • Jefferies & Company 02 98.8%
  • Goldman Sachs 17 98.3%
  • Moelis & Company 07 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 05 97.1%

Total Avg Compensation

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Director/MD (5) $648
  • Vice President (19) $385
  • Associates (87) $260
  • 3rd+ Year Analyst (14) $181
  • Intern/Summer Associate (33) $170
  • 2nd Year Analyst (66) $168
  • 1st Year Analyst (205) $159
  • Intern/Summer Analyst (146) $101
notes
16 IB Interviews Notes

“... there’s no excuse to not take advantage of the resources out there available to you. Best value for your $ are the...”

Leaderboard

1
redever's picture
redever
99.2
2
BankonBanking's picture
BankonBanking
99.0
3
Betsy Massar's picture
Betsy Massar
99.0
4
Secyh62's picture
Secyh62
99.0
5
CompBanker's picture
CompBanker
98.9
6
kanon's picture
kanon
98.9
7
dosk17's picture
dosk17
98.9
8
GameTheory's picture
GameTheory
98.9
9
numi's picture
numi
98.8
10
Jamoldo's picture
Jamoldo
98.8
success
From 10 rejections to 1 dream investment banking internship

“... I believe it was the single biggest reason why I ended up with an offer...”