BC vs Georgetown vs Uchicago Undergrad
Hi all, I am currently a high school senior in the midst of deciding which college I would like to attend. So far, I have been accepted to Uchicago, the McDonough School of Business at Georgetown, and the Honors Program for the Carroll School of Management at BC. At Uchicago, I would most likely major in economics, while at BC and Georgetown, I would most likely major in finance. I was wondering, which college will give me the greatest advantages and opportunities in the business and investment world?
I think the poster is a troll. Has any of those schools posted results yet?
In either case
UChicago and (Gtown and BC) are no where near in the same league. Gtown & BC is like 3-4th tier colleges. UChicago is in the most elite category. In a matter of fact UChicago and (Gtown and BC) shouldn't be in the same sentence for any comparison purposes which is why I think your a troll. Either way, no question Chicago.
You've made multiple comments in the last few days sh*tting on Georgetown saying it's not a top 20 business school, not a target, etc. You must have been denied or something with all the bitterness? The fact is this: Georgetown is a target for finance in every sense of the word. Every single bulge bracket and most elite boutiques recruit heavily on campus and the placement is on par with even HYPSW in terms of getting people into investment banking. The MBA program is lacking, but the undergraduate level is fantastic. Here's just one example of many articles stating Georgetown is a top school for investment banking, finance, wall street and more.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/02/investing/investment-banking-job-linked…
agree.
but still if you're purely open to opportunities, use Chicago and try to take Booth classes towards end of your 4 years. BC and GU are nice, but just not up there in b-school ranks.
You are a dumb person
"You've made multiple comments in the last few days sh*tting on Georgetown saying it's not a top 20 business school" That's because people have been posting it as a compare school in their questions. Georgetown is NOT a top 20 business school. OP was comparing Gtown/BC to Chicago. That's not a even a comparison!!
USNews: 1 Stanford University 2 Harvard University 3 University of Pennsylvania (Wharton) 4 University of Chicago (Booth) 5 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Sloan) 6 Northwestern University (Kellogg) 7 University of California—Berkeley (Haas) 8 Columbia University 9 Dartmouth College (Tuck) 10 University of Virginia (Darden) 11 New York University (Stern) 11 University of Michigan—Ann Arbor (Ross) 13 Duke University (Fuqua) 13 Yale University 15 University of California—Los Angeles (Anderson) 16 Cornell University (Johnson) 17 University of Texas—Austin (McCombs) 18 University of North Carolina—Chapel Hill (Kenan-Flagler) 19 Washington University in St. Louis (Olin) 20 Carnegie Mellon University (Tepper)
Forbes: 1 Stanford 2 Harvard 3 Northwestern (Kellogg) 4 Columbia 5 Dartmouth (Tuck) 6 Chicago (Booth) 7 Pennsylvania (Wharton) 8 UC Berkeley (Haas) 9 MIT (Sloan) 10 Cornell (Johnson) 11 Yale 12 Duke (Fuqua) 13 UNC (Kenan-Flagler) 14 Texas-Austin (McCombs) 15 Michigan (Ross) 16 Virginia (Darden) 17 UCLA (Anderson) 18 NYU (Stern) 19 Carnegie Mellon (Tepper) 20 Indiana (Kelley)
Forbes has Gtown ranked 41 and USNews 24. Bloomberg Buisnessweek has Gtown 26th. USNews and Buisnweek are being incredibly generous to Gtown in my opinion. Gtown McDonough is sub 30.
"You must have been denied or something with all the bitterness?" - I am getting a PhD in Finance from a top 10 BSchool. I mentioned Gtown McDonough is sub 30. Well it's even worse in the research rankings. Gtown is really a 4 yr college not a research university. It's a school that has been under the radar for me and rarely think about.
OP is a troll for sure. Who compares Chicago to Gtown/Boston College. That's idiotic.
lol you listed MBA rankings, then acted superior all while not even understanding the fucking question. I look forward to you teaching my children money and banking. Stick to the PhD shit kid.
You're wrong / misunderstanding the question. You're listing MBA rankings while the OP is concerned with undergrad business schools as he mentioned he's still in high school. For undergrad, Georgetown is a top school and sends tons of kids to wall street every year. BC is maybe a tier below, but sends a bunch of kids to banking jobs as well. In my (probably limited) experience, I haven't seen too many UChicago kids, at least in NYC. Still, I'm sure they send plenty of grads to Chicago finance jobs. Besides, even if you were listing undergrad rankings, they hardly tell the full story of who is actually recruited for jobs in finance.
Before you go around calling people idiots / trolls, try to get a better grasp of what you're actually discussing.
To answer the OP's question, I would personally choose Georgetown given the information provided but you can't go wrong with any of them. Visit the campuses, get a feel for the schools and evaluate the cost (if that's relevant for your situation). If you do very well at each of them, you should have no problem getting a good job post-grad.
" I haven't seen too many UChicago kids, at least in NYC" -Because they don't belong in your circle bud ;) Chicago undergrad..........................(moon)...............Georgetown Undergrad.
OP is a troll. I am suspecting other posters are OP in other usernames.
I should start discussion titled::
Princeton or Rutger University or how about.... Yale or University of Delaware
You guys are funny.
LOL, i think it is pretty clear who is trolling here. you can't even reason using arguments but instead you're resorting to calling name like a 4 year old child. there is absolutely no way an idiot like you is getting a PhD, let alone at a top ranked school. you suck at life, end of story
sillymonkey123 is seriously butthurt. in terms of finance opportunities at the undergrad level, there's no real difference between UChicago and Gtown. Gtown actually sends way more kids to Wall Street than does UChicago (although admittedly, UChicago is more well-rounded and does better in tech and STEM) so the OP should just visit both schools and go where he feels the best fit.
"there's no real difference between UChicago and Gtown. Gtown actually sends way more kids to Wall Street than does UChicago "
Ok troll. no real difference between UChicago (top 3) and Gtown (top 25-30)....... ok ;)
Sidestepping the nuclear mess of shitflinging going on above ...
(Chicago > Georgetown > BC) if you're talking pure prestige. If your goal is simply to get a BB IBD job out of school, you should immediately eliminate BC and focus on Georgetown or Chicago. The only exception would be if the financial aid packages were incredibly lopsided (80%+ scholarship at BC vs. 20% at the others).
From what I've seen (and I have worked in two of the half dozen banking groups everyone here masturbates to), Georgetown places more kids at more firms than Chicago. They are both target schools, and while Chicago is admittedly a more 'prestigious' school with a better academic reputation, Georgetown has all the BBs and elite MM and boutiques on campus for recruiting. It's a similar phenomenon to Stern. Stern is an objectively less prestigious school than the Ivies (or Chicago, like we're talking about here), but for recruiting, it actually beats half the Ivies in terms of numbers placed (losing to H, W, and Cornell).
If you want to get into banking, trading, or consulting, Chicago will definitely give you the opportunity. If you want banking, Georgetown has the numbers to prove it will give you at least an equal (some would say better) opportunity.
Were I in your shoes, the factors I'd consider are the caliber and challenge of academics, the calendar (quarter vs. semester), campus life, and location.
Chicago has a real academic bent. Everyone knows this. If your interests are grad school, academia, law school, or public policy, you'd be at home. The grading is also known to be harsh. I haven't met a single alum who looked back fondly on their classes. It was always "Yeah, it was tough" or "Damn I hated the grade deflation" or something similar.
The people also seemed to fit that mold. The three friends I have who went there are the opposite of brolic, outgoing, athletic, or extroverted. They aren't going to win any awards for charisma. The stereotype 'where fun goes to die' did not originate by accident.
If Greeklife is of any interest to you, be aware that it isn't a prominent part of campus culture. Sure, people there will defend it. I can say that each time I visited (even stopping in at my own chapter once) I was entirely underwhelmed by what I saw, and I'm not talking just in terms of parties. Greeklife isn't everyone's cup of tea, but if it matters to you, you'd want to see a lot of integration, and that isn't present there.
There's also the quarter system. If you want to be on the same schedule as the rest of your friends at other schools (which makes visiting easier, helps you avoid being in the middle of an academic term while your friends have a month off at Christmas), that can be tough.
The weather is another factor. If you're cool with facing brick conditions for four plus months a year, Chicago is alright. DC isn't much better, but you don't deal with the lake effect.
Georgetown has a really vibrant sports program. Greeklife isn't officially recognized there but I have heard that some organizations have sprung up off-campus recently. No insight to add there. The recruiting is really strong. They're on the semester system. DC is a different sort of city than Chicago. Grade deflation doesn't seem to be a complaint among students.
In short, if you want to get into finance from Chicago, you can. Zero question. Georgetown gets fantastic OCR and I can confirm that on a numbers basis, it was better represented at the elite firms I've worked at (and anecdotally from friends, elsewhere). The campus life is more vibrant. There isn't a 'better' on this one. The answer depends on what you're looking for out of college.
@APAE
I totally get with all your points. Aside from the georgraphic differences and the fact Chicago is also a big financial hub for tons of UChicago grads, and even though Gtown may have more grads on the street, I cant verify if this is true, going to Gtown over Chicago is a VERY weak argument. Very weak. That's like saying I am going to turn down Columbia for NYU just because Stern places more in wall street firms.
But I totally get you and respect your arguments. But again, I want to note. It's not just about prestige. It's about facts. Substance. UChicago has produced some of the best financial minds in the world. Gtown is no where near that bro. I can't believe I am even having a serious conversation about this with some of the losers on this forum. Look at any ranking. They are not even close and OP is a troll. Because I promise you no one with a semi-functioning brain is comparing UChicago (top 3) to Gtown (top 25-30) even at the undergrad level.
Here is a list of all the noble prize winners from Chicago. http://www.uchicago.edu/about/accolades/22/
Go find me the noble prize winners from Gtown. I challange you if its 1/10th that size. Just 1/10th of that of UChicago and I will recant everything I said. Just 1/10th.
I haven't yet downvoted your posts, but since you addressed me by name, I'll respond.
The kid didn't fucking ask what city was a bigger financial hub, which school produced the better financial minds, or where more Nobel winners came from. He asked which school would "give the greatest advantages and opportunities in the business and investment world?"
Everyone responded by offering their insight on investment banking analyst recruiting. Within the heuristic that 'best opportunity' means the job out of undergrad that provides the most future optionality, highest compensation, and most recognizable brand name, these people are right.
I tried to take it a step further to explain some of the factors that ought to be a part of choosing a college to attend, then added info to illuminate each option based on those factors.
Your heuristic seems to be academic reputation, 'preftige', ranking, and the like. That's fine; 'best advantage and opportunity' could be looked at in that like, yes. What isn't fine is having the most abrasive and forceful line of reasoning that in a subjective discussion, yours and yours alone is the only possible viable answer. That's why people are hitting you with shit. That's why you look like asinine.
a) Chicago isn't top-3. It's #4, and that's on a list of graduate business school MBA rankings. The kid asked about undergrad, so your comparison is not apples to apples.b) You stated you're in a Ph.D. program. Pretty sure USNWR (or the less reputable Bloomberg or Poets and Quants) rankings aren't for Ph.D. but for the MBA, so you're on thin ice for that too.
c) Not everyone automatically goes to the highest-ranked school they get into. There are extenuating factors: financial aid package, distance from family, placement into target industry, etc.
d) I turned down an Ivy to go to a non-Ivy. It worked out for me. Really fucking well. Incidentally, the first person I ever hired to work for me years later was a Harvard grad.
Though I agree that sillymonkey123 needs to calm down, as a Booth alum I think he/she does have a point.
Sharing a clip from a reply I wrote on another question.:
Recently there has been a great push by the University that really raised its pre-professional programs for its undergrads rivaling those at really any top schools. And I've had a lot of Booth grads remark how intellectual/intense theseundergrads work (they're able to take grad course across all schools).
People who say that undergrads are separate from the grad schools really have no idea what they're talking about. Obviously if the school has top grad programs in the world it's going to make those opportunities accessible for its students. Booth alumni feel the same affinity towards UChicago undergrads just like how HBS alums pull Harvard undergrads. They study under the same professors /use the same resources for crying out loud.
Also, forgot to mention Hank Paulson, Former Secretary of Treasury, has an Institute on campus affiliated with the school with internships exclusively available to UChicago students. Plus, undergrads have access to UChicago centers all around the world including centers in London, Singapore, Hong Kong, Beijing, Delhi, Paris, etc.
Gtown and Chicago are close enough in my mind for finance recruiting (Gtown probably slight edge) that I would try to decide more about how you like each school / city. Very different experiences attending each so important to figure that out more than anything. A certain work ethic will do equally well coming from both of those schools. BC definitely can also give you very good opportunities but is a rung below in prestige, so wouldn't make that my first choice unless you really fall in love with it. There are fewer spots from a school like BC, but also less competition so theoretically easier to stand out.
I would focus on deciding between Chicago or Georgetown. If you have a scholarship offer from either then that may be the key decision making factor.
In my opinion, Chicago may be a lot tougher academically so you will have to work very hard to keep your GPA up. Most competitive financial firms prefer candidates with at least a 3.5 GPA. I know that economics is one of the most challenging majors at Chicago so keep that in mind. Classes are very fast paced and involve many upper level math courses.
It may be easier to maintain a 3.5 at Georgetown and you would be very close to many economic policy groups or think tanks if you decide to ever go that route.
If you may want to attend graduate school at some point then I would attend Chicago. If you are just looking to get a business/finance job after graduation and Georgetown is cheaper then I would go there.
Both are great schools for the "undergrad experience" and a big part of your decision should be on whether you want to be in Chicago or DC for 4 years.
Edit: f you are very good at math and desire to have a career in economics instead of finance then definitely go to Chicago and don't look back. As I am sure you probably know, they have the best economics program in the country. You could easily get into likely any top phd program and would have many professors that would be extremely helpful in assisting you with publishing research.
You guys are insane. Even at the undergrad level they are not comparable. I mentioned that many times! UChicago is top 3, worst case, top 5, undergrad. In the B-school ranking, its top 1-3, 100%, I would argue 1 or 2, all depending on how much you love Harvard. But I personally think Booth is #1 in B-school. BTW there is a VERY high correlation between prestige/recognition/quality of the MBA program and the undergrad business program. You guy are dancing on the end of a needle pin with this argument. They are highly correlated as it is. So using an MBA ranking for a proxy for undergrad B-school ranking isn't that crazy!!
OP is a troll. 100%. He is trying to make it seem as if UChicago and Gtown/BC are on the same league by starting this conversation. They are not! Sorry to all the Gtown trolls on this thread. Your are not UChicago. Your not in the same league as UChicago. You will never be a serious contender, $ for $, job for job, with UChicago. Ok???
"I turned down an Ivy to go to a non-Ivy. It worked out for me. Really fucking well. Incidentally, the first person I ever hired to work for me years later was a Harvard grad."
@APAE. So what?? The IVY range is VERY large. From Harvard to Dartmouth, that's a massive delta! Schools like UChicago/Stanford are wayyyy better than lower ivy's such as Dartmouth, Brown, etc. So by telling me you turned down an IVY (could be Dartmouth) for a non-IVY, which could be Duke or Stanford or UChicago or MIT, you really didn't say anything that would merit admiration. Turning down Dartmouth to go to MIT is NOT a sacrifice dude.
I respect what your trying to say and I get it. But dude...seriously. Comparing UChicago to GTown, especially in our sphere, economics/finance, is utter blasphemey. ***Even at the undergrad level. It's like comparing
Bugatti to BMW.
Is BMW nice? Yes. Are they good cars? Of Course. Are they high end? Absolutely. Is it in the same tier as a Bugatti? Absolutely not! And if your in the market shopping for a Buggati I can promise you BMW will probably not be in the universe of cars your seriously considering, as OP would suggest otherwise. OP is either a Gtown or BC troll. I am 100%. I can only imagine how many fake account he has. I wouldn't be shocked if 1/2 the posts are from fake accounts he created to make it seem as if this was a legitimate debate.
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There are lots of factors that influence IBD placement. The #1 factor, the desire of those students, at that particular school, to go into IBD to begin with. This factor is ahead of all other factors (school prestige, location, etc).
Because UChicago may not place as many as Gtown may place in IBD in NYC (Again I don't know if this is a true fact to start with) does not mean that your chances as UChicago grad are not as much, if not higher, than that of Gtown grad.
NYU places more folks on wall street than Columbia. Does that I am going to take NYU over Columbia for undergrad/MBA? Absolutely not (aside from money factors, etc. etc. everything ceterus perebus).
Gtown is a good school. Dont get me wrong. But UChicago is in another league. That's not up for debate by the trolls on WSO. UChicago hangs out with Harvard and Stanford and Princeton. Not with with Gtown. Sorry Gtown, your in the (USC, Michigan, UCLA, UVA, UNC, Wake, Wash U, NYU, etc. etc. using whatever arbitrary method that ranks which over which that pleases you that lets you fap at ease at night) bucket . Gtown is not in the HYPS bucket by any measure of academics and prestige. But you know who does? UChicago. Again, look at how many noble prize winners they have. The facts speak for themselves.
OP is a troll. 100%.
UChicago is better in rankings and in terms of prestige. I have also heard that it is in a somewhat bad neighborhood though and like I said earlier it may be harder to maintain a 3.5 GPA there depending on what major the OP ends up choosing.
OP, ranking and prestige are also not the only thing to consider when choosing a college as I am sure you know already. People on this forum get really worked up over school prestige and overstate its importance sometimes. Both are target schools. If you want a certain job bad enough and work hard enough then I am sure you could get whatever job you want coming from either school. I would care most about cost of attendance, social life, location, proximity of dining options and entertainment, the type of people who attend, the residential life, what curriculum programs interest you more, or whether you care to be in a more nerdy atmosphere or more athletic and political atmosphere. Your experiences at these schools would be very different and likely change you as a person in many ways.
There are multiple websites and forums like niche where you can compare different aspects of colleges. I suggest you check that out and read some decision threads on sites like college confidential to aid you in making the decision.
as a booth grad just want to point out that even the undergrads have a significant presence in finance... Jon Winkelried former president of GS who was vying with Blankfein for the top job was an UChicago undergrad, Brady Dougan former CEO of Credit Suisse and youngest Wall street ceo at the time, and i heard that the youngest partner ever for GS in company history also graduated from UChicago (forget his name) look through linkedin and you'll find plenty of UChicago undergraduates in top IB firms... though of course at the end of the day it's not the college that guarantees your success but your character can't speak for the other schools
I guarantee you that you will be a much smarter person if you go to UChicago for 4 years versus Gtown. If that is a criteria still under consideration these days when deciding on a college.
I'd probably go for Chicago from what I saw at my internship.
Chicago had a lot of people in IBD, but also had a lot of people in more technical S&T roles. These roles probably wouldn't be accessible with a Georgetown finance major. So if you decide you want to be a trader, structurer, asset manager or work in a HF (especially a macro shop), Chicago is probably the better choice. If you can handle doing some math, go to Chicago. Georgetown will still get you into IBD though.
UChicago easily. Had some buddies who graduated the last couple years; IBD and S&T placement on Wall St is excellent, maybe even on-par with Harvard or Wharton. Lots of kids also going to Mck, Bain, BCG, Accenture, Deloitte, etc if you're interested in MGT consulting.
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