1/11/13

I'm currently averaging an 83.3 at Queen's Commerce. If I apply to a bschool for my MBA in the US, what would my grades convert to on a GPA scale for any of the top schools like Harvard, Wharton, Columbia ect? All my grades are above 80 except for one and next to my transcript all of them say "A" and my one 77 grade says "B."

I have heard that Canadian grades are curved up to American grades during the admissions process, is that true?

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Comments (44)

10/6/07

Most schools do not report GPA and the conversion to GPA is difficult. A lot of schools take the following approach which is an approximation using the Ontario Medical School Application Service scale

90 to 100% 4.0
85 to 89% 3.9
80 to 84% 3.7
77 to 79% 3.3
73 to 76% 3.0
70 to 72% 2.7
67 to 69% 2.3
63 to 66% 2.0
60 to 62% 1.7
57 to 59% 1.3
53 to 56% 1.0
50 to 52% 0.7
< 49 0.0

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10/6/07

Given my understanding on Queens Commerce and its difficulty, I think an 83% is probabaly comparable to a 3.7/3.8 in the U.S., which is consistent with the table

10/6/07

When comparing GPAs, most b-schools look at the same way they score undergrad scores. In general, Canadian grades are curved DOWN (more leinient scoring and lower passing grades).

Generally 94+ = A = 4.0
90+ = A- = 3.7
87+ = B+ = 3.3
etc.

See this link:
http://www0.gsb.columbia.edu/mba/admissions/apply/...

However, keep in mind undergrad GPA is a small factor of what MBA programs look at. More importantly, it's what you did after college that matters. A 3.3 won't sink you, you do add international experience. Focus on scoring 720+ on the GMATs, building great leadership skills and writing the perfect essay.

10/6/07

Really? Canadian grades are curved down? The highest average in my year right now is 90, with someone with an 88 being ranked 3rd in the class. While I have a friend at Penn who says 30% of his class is curved to be above 90%. Seems kind of strange that canadian grades are curved down even more even though there's no curve.

10/6/07

Curving Canadian grades down like that makes absolutely no sense. All the top Canadian undergrad business schools mark in a way that makes it nearly impossible to get high 80's, let alone a 90. With that system, the absolute top students at my school would have a 3.2-3.5 GPA at best.

10/6/07

Canadian schools have lenient scoring and lower passing grades?.....dude come on. This is only true for our highschools.

I assure you that the grading systems in Canadian university programs are just as tough, if not tougher, than our American counterparts.

If that converting scale is true, then I don't know a single person in any year of my program who has a 3.3gpa.....

10/6/07

Ignore eric's post. It is completely irrelevant. yesforone's post is spot on. It'd be a 3.7/3.8

Shadow, what's your approx rank in the class?

10/6/07

to the OP: just becuase you're canadian doesn't mean you can go around saying shit like "how does canadian grades convert?" if you were russian or something, i'd give you a break, but you['re not. you're just a fucking idiot.

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In reply to jdizz
10/7/07
jdizz:

Ignore eric's post. It is completely irrelevant. yesforone's post is spot on. It'd be a 3.7/3.8

Shadow, what's your approx rank in the class?

Ah ok thanks for making that clear. I'm currently in second year and class rank is not assigned to us on our transcripts. I assume that some people know because they asked the office. But I do know that the highest average is a 90 and exactly 2 people have that. Roughly estimated though, I'd say somewhere between 20-30 out of 300.

mark klein MD:

to the OP: just becuase you're canadian doesn't mean you can go around saying shit like "how does canadian grades convert?" if you were russian or something, i'd give you a break, but you['re not. you're just a fucking idiot.

To mark klein MD: Thanks for pointing that out, I did in fact notice the grammar mistake right after I made the post, but I didn't think there was a way to edit my topic. However, I'd suggest that you watch your own sentence structure, typos, punctuation, capitalization, run-ons, and related errors. If I was going to slam someone else's single grammar mistake, I'd make sure I didn't make 15 times the mistakes in my flame post. As for being an idiot? Well, apparently I have a 3.7 GPA.

10/7/07

okay, let me explain. When I said curved down, i meant the "A" with an 80 will not be taken at the same letter grade value. They generally won't mark that down anymore. I know there are a lot of canadians on this board, but don't take it personally that American's don't think of Queens or Ivey when they think of top-tier business schools.

Comparing Wharton and Queens is not fair. Wharton is much more selective and has significantly more applicants. Although Canada and the US have roughly the same area, the US has about 10x the population. Canada by population is about the size of a large US state (like California or Texas). Just because Queens is one of the top schools in Canada, doesn't mean it's on par with the top schools in America. Take a look at endowment and funding. Wharton is a private school, and gets a lot more money from tuition and endowment per student than Queens (publicly funded). Wharton has more resources to educate their students. In addition, Wharton has a much higher recognition among MDs and recruiters. Ask all the MDs and recruiters in North America, I can guarantee you more will have heard of Wharton than Queens. That might convince students admitted to both schools to choose Wharton than queens.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but people from Queen's have told me their passing grade is 50. On Colubia's table, passing is 60 (and generally holds across US undergrad schools). In terms of grading, I've seen exams from the commerce department from queens, and they were not too difficult. That is a totally subjective view, but that is where I'm basing my comments.

Now, MBA admissions could take Canadian grades at letter grade listed,all As, except for one B. But they could very well take them at their percentages and convert them. Columbia's MBA admissions published a conversion table for percentages to GPA. If the OP was applying to Columbia like he said in the first post, I would suggest that he bases his decision off Columbia's table and not Ontario's medical table.

I know a lot of you are still in college and have not gone through the MBA recruiting process. When I was in college, I worked at a major test prep company and I've seen plenty of qualified candidates not get accepted at their top choice. I'm not trying to start an arugement on a forum, but admissions to top MBA programs are tough, and I want to provide a more realistic view.

10/30/07

Each program is different, Ivey has a scale of 70% to 87%, nothing else. I'm at Schulich, here you can fail or get an A+, but there is no exact grades so we scale it on a 9 scale which I hate.
When I converted mine for U.S. Apps it looks like this:
A+ 9.0 4.0
A 8.0 3.8
B+ 7.0 3.3
B 6.0 2.8
C+ 5.0 2.3
C 4.0 1.8
D+ 3.0 1.3
D 2.0 0.8
F 1.0 0
It's a hassle of a system because we don't get exact grades, like in one class I got 88, but had 8.0, another class I got 79.4 and got bumped to 79.5 or 80 and got an 8.0, but techically thats 8% difference, and could have a big impact on your GPA.

11/3/07

I think it depends really on your program. I took astrophysics and my department was the best in Canada, at least from the research side.

I didn't have a super high GPA by the standards on this forum (~3.3ish) but I knew I was in the upper 10% of my class, actually I lied, I was the class when I graduated o_0. Plus a lot of my courses were on a bell curve, i.e. only x amount were to receive A's, etc. I didn't know a single person with a GPA above 3.8 in the honours program. Close? Yes, but the system was brutal. Definitely not the same in other departments so really, how can you compare GPAs?

I had a 3.8 in the beginning but I attribute that to not working. During my 2nd and 3rd year my GPA dropped because I devoted a lot of time to my two businesses and my radio personality on campus. I'm glad I engaged in these activities despite missing some assignments, resulting in B's instead of an A's. Again, how do you compare my situation to someone who got a 3.6 instead, yet developed less business acumen and had worse work experience? The fact I engaged in these activities made me stand out and obtain positions the kids with 4.0s, but with no experience were trying to get.

I find with the sciences, to truly do well you must devote a *shitload* of time to learning the material, however with classes like economics, english, etc it's much easier to balance work/school. So I don't think my point is really applicable in those areas, but I think it is for really difficult programs.

I remember I had one lab prof who insisted on never handing out a perfect mark on our labs. He told us, if you get a 10/10, it means you have performed the experiment better than anyone else in history. Not surprisingly, the %'s were very low in the class.

How in the world do you convert a GPA score with a course ran by someone like that, I mean the highest mark was a 84%? Does that kid really deserve a 3.7?

GPA is just a number and it's really hard to compare it with others, obviously the higher the better but it really depends on the program and school. The GMAT is nice because it's standardized, and that is why it matters a whole lot more in admissions.

So I don't think it is the be all end all to one's success but I can understand why BB's may prefer to use it as a hiring gauge however when it comes to b-school applications, it certainly is only one factor of many that they consider.

I think GPA conversion should really be the last of every applicant's worries. So OP, don't even worry about this GPA conversion shit. If you really have the business talent worthy of a top business school like Wharton, I'll assume you've demonstrated *it* in some way, GPA or not.

That is what I would be most worried about, but hey, what do I know, I haven't applied to business school...yet maybe? Haven't decided yet.

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11/6/07

I'm a Queen's Commerce grad and currently at a top-3 US MBA school. I wouldn't worry about this very much. I recommend using the scale below, unless the school has provided specific instructions to use a different scale (as described above for Columbia). It is basically the "standard" scale for calculating GPAs and thus completely justifiable (far more so than a random medical school scale or "I think 83.3% looks like ...), but it will also position you more positively than any of the alternatives discussed.

"A" (i.e. 80% and over) = 4.0
"B" (i.e. 65% and over) = 3.0

Obviously it's easy for someone to say, "But you can't possibly equate a 65% with a 3.0!" I agree it seems a little "messed up," but that's the way Queen's shows grades on its transcripts and you should use it to your advantage. Your job is to convince the admissions committee to accept your application. It is the admissions committee's job to evaluate your application and make any adjustments they see fit to compare grades across schools. My understanding is that they take a quick look at your school, grades (including class rank in most cases, which is probably the more comparable metric for academic perfomance across different schools/programs), GMAT, and work experience. If you meet the threshold here, they take a longer look at your essays and recommendations. Interview results are usually only used on the margin. They will be familiar with Queen's Commerce and could calibrate your average relative to past/current students who went to Queen's, but probably wouldn't bother.

Of course, I can't resist throwing in my two cents on the debate between Queen's and Wharton either. Wharton is clearly the stronger global brand and this is probably the most important measure of a business school in my view. If money wasn't an issue, I would have gone there for undergrad over Queen's. However, Queen's was a great business education also and I think the quality of teaching/students at least matches that of any other school. The brand and network isn't as strong as Wharton globablly, but you won't run into many MDs who haven't worked with colleagues from Queen's and come to respect the school. If you do well at Queen's you will end up with the same job as someone who did well at Wharton and have the same shot at a top MBA. As for grading, the "Wharton curve" probably means its harder to get an A on your transcript than it is at Queen's. However, scoring a high percentage on an exam or in a class (e.g. greater than 90%) is probably harder at Queen's.

11/7/07

Senior Peon,

With your scale I now I have a GPA of 3.57!

ha! show me a link to this scale, I think I may have an excuse to raise my GPA on my resumes

11/7/07

I think its just the standard 4.0 system:

A+/A= 4.0
A- =3.7
B+ =3.3
B =3.0
B- =2.7
c+ =2.3

In reply to eric809e
11/20/07

I see what your saying, but as an American who attended a Canadian University for undergrad, I think you are being a bit unjust to the Canadian system. I attended the University of British Columbia and though I cannot compare it to the top most Ivy schools, I feel as though it would easily compare with some of our top public institutions and most likely a lot of the private ones. Yes, there are less Canadians than Americans, but correspondingly there are also considerably less universities to choose from. So I wouldn't diminish the Canadian system as significantly less competitive. Within Canada public universities are the most elite schools and though they may not have endowments like Harvard, they are research fueled institutions and have plenty of private funding without charging students $30k a year. Though I cannot correctly convert Canadian percentages to GPA, I believe the best approach is to include in your transcripts a letter indicating to American schools to pay attention to your distribution from the mean in each of your classes. This seems to be the most effective way to get across to American schools that you are a good student. Canadian grades are curved and as most Canadians would know, though an 80-100 is an A it is nearly impossible to consistently achieve 90s and completely unfathomable to get a 100. Thus there is a 10pt unattainable area that does not exist in the US system. Instead of becoming overly preoccupied with conversions, simply compare yourself with your classmates.

12/4/07

http://careers.mcmaster.ca/students/education-plan...

Here is a chart that tells you exactly how each Canadian University's grading scales compares to the U.S. 4.0 scale

12/5/07

Look at how UK universities rank canadian vs. US schools. To do an LSE Masters, minimum requirement for a US student is 3.5, while for a canadian it's 3.3. Enough said.

12/12/07

Queen's grades are hard to convert. However, most schools realize this and convert appropriately. An 83 (and yes, I went to school in Canada, the US and the UK) is pretty much a 3.9 - 4.0. I know a guy from Queen's with a similar (possibly less) average who is now at HBS.

GMAT and experience matter, but 83 will throw down. Don't try and convert, just find out your sort of rank within the class, and that is all that is necessary.

12/12/07

I agree that a 83 from Queens will throw down. I went to UofToronto Engineering and had a 79 (or 3.4 GPA)and was told that it competes in the 3.6-3.7 range of american students

In reply to pc
3/14/08

I agree with this post. Yes Canada has significantly less people but we do have way less schools to choose from. Then when you start to talk about ivy league schools. We only have four max and these programs have very limited space to begin with. So I would say the difficulty in getting into and Ivy here in Canada is almost equivalent to getting in the U.S.

3/18/08

Please do not abuse the term "ivy league." For the nth time, there are 8 ivy league schools and none of them are in Canada.

5/12/08

I'm not even a business student but I felt the need to reply to this. I attended the University of British Columbia for my undergraduate degree, which I achieved with honours and, according to some of these scales, a 3.7 GPA. I have professors educated at the top private universities in the States who have told me in casual conversation and within the classroom that they grade students with more difficulty in Canada than in the US.

One such professor, educated at Princeton, told me that after teaching in Canada for some years he returned to a school in the States and his students threw a fit when he handed back their essays saying, "Good job, 75/B." According to him, a paper that he would grade as a B or B+ in Canada receives an A- or A grade respectively in the US. Hate to break it to some of the Americans here, but it IS easier to get an A in the States than in Canada.

And for what it's worth, my 3.7 GPA (82%) average got me into Columbia's journalism school.

7/31/08

This is a great conversation.

Getting back to the original post - this is what you need to know.

Queen's Commerce is easily a top Canadian undergraduate program and as a result has a very strong reputation in Canada and abroad. Does it compare to Princeton / Harvard - I'm not sure - but it does not matter. We can put it this way however. There are many, many Queen's Comm grads that I know at top tier US MBA schools. Further, look who recruits at Queen's Comm. In the Class of 2008 (from which I graduated) students were hired from: McKinsey, Monitor Group, BCG, Bain, Goldman, Merrill, Credit Suisse, P&G, Unilever, PwC, Deloitte etc. The list goes on and on, but the point is, where do most of these firms concentrate their recruiting: Harvard, Princeton etc. What does this mean? The recruiters find that the quality of students at Queen's Comm is at least comparable. For top consulting firms alone (as mentioned above) probably around 15 students were recruited from Queen's Comm - not bad for the undergraduate positions which in reality can be more competitive than the post- MBA one's.

So, getting back on track. An 83.3 puts you around the Top 10% of the program - which will look great. The admission's committees (who matter, not some random person on the street who might not know Queen's) will be very familiar with the school, program and it's quality. Your GPA will be fine and is nothing to worry about.

The further point however is that MBA admission to the school's you are talking about require a lot of extra work. That means you want to have very relevant work experience (probably from a top firm in some industry) and show leadership (both at work and at university). At the end of the day, just as in interview for consulting / IB, admissions are looking for leadership potential. Your marks / GMAT are just a threshold from which you need to break, then it comes down to you. For example, if you look again at McK, Monitor, BCG, Bain - they didn't take the students with just the top averages but looked for relevant leadership experience. GPA is just one piece of the puzzle.

Good luck!

11/25/09

"Please do not abuse the term
by nauru (Orangutan, 265 Points) on 3/18/08 at 11:09am
Please do not abuse the term "ivy league." For the nth time, there are 8 ivy league schools and none of them are in Canada."

a) WTF do you care?

b) There's a school in Canada at the University of Western Ontario that is called the Ivey school of business, as in, named after the founder Richard Ivey, you uninformed dipshit.. that's what they were referring to. "for the nth time."

5/29/10

Ivey isn't "ivy league" lol ... i graduated from there.... its a pretty dope program though. Good opportunities if you rank in top 10th percentile.

In reply to yesforone
3/19/12
yesforone:

Most schools do not report GPA and the conversion to GPA is difficult. A lot of schools take the following approach which is an approximation using the Ontario Medical School Application Service scale

90 to 100% 4.0
85 to 89% 3.9
80 to 84% 3.7
77 to 79% 3.3
73 to 76% 3.0
70 to 72% 2.7
67 to 69% 2.3

Thank god, I thought that in my remaining school years i would have to bump my English grade to a 97 to have a 99.6% average for a 4.0, but no all i have to do is maintain a 94 and im SET:D if you do not think im telling the truth search all guass tests of last year and before, i aced both see how many could do that.

63 to 66% 2.0
60 to 62% 1.7
57 to 59% 1.3
53 to 56% 1.0
50 to 52% 0.7
< 49 0.0

In reply to StrangeLight
1/11/13

I have to agree. I had the same experience at my school (Univ of Toronto) with a prof who used to teach at UC Berkeley.

StrangeLight:
I'm not even a business student but I felt the need to reply to this. I attended the University of British Columbia for my undergraduate degree, which I achieved with honours and, according to some of these scales, a 3.7 GPA. I have professors educated at the top private universities in the States who have told me in casual conversation and within the classroom that they grade students with more difficulty in Canada than in the US.

One such professor, educated at Princeton, told me that after teaching in Canada for some years he returned to a school in the States and his students threw a fit when he handed back their essays saying, "Good job, 75/B." According to him, a paper that he would grade as a B or B+ in Canada receives an A- or A grade respectively in the US. Hate to break it to some of the Americans here, but it IS easier to get an A in the States than in Canada.

And for what it's worth, my 3.7 GPA (82%) average got me into Columbia's journalism school.

"...the art of good business, is being a good middle man, putting people togeather. It's all about honor and respect."

1/11/13

Oh great, another canada vs america circlejerk thread

1/11/13

lol @ op, canada eh? u r like a C in America

How big is yours?

1/21/13

The exiting QC class of 2012 had 6 students hired full-time by Goldman. 5 went to NYC, 1 to Toronto.

In reply to GS_McK
1/24/13

GS_McK:
The exiting QC class of 2012 had 6 students hired full-time by Goldman. 5 went to NYC, 1 to Toronto.

Thought you left WSO...

In reply to eric809e
11/18/13

When my professor (who did her undergrad, masters and PhD in the states) was marking my field course she generally marked the Canadians 10% lower than what she would have if they were at schools in the states. So an 80% in the USA is about the equivalent of a 70% in most of Canada, according to this logic (when asked other profs agree) an 80% in Canadian unis is more impressive than ones in the USA, BUT I would argue that this depends mostly on the school and program itself and you cannot just blindly convert marks. Some schools will mark harder, and others more leniently irrelevant of country, and the reputation of your school (like it or not) really matters

1/6/14

@Senior Peon: 65% translates to 2.0, not 3.0.
75% = 3.0
85% = 4.0

I win here, I win there...

6/4/14

Interesting thread. My bad for reliving this 1 year later but I had to give out my thoughts.
So according to the mcmaster GPA conversion chart, and knowing that I have an 80% average at Laurentian University, that would give me a GPA of 3.7. I'm only heading to my 2nd year but I'm already thinking about MBA and master after graduation so it was good for me to know what would have been my GPA as of today. From there I can only improve it for the next 3 years uppon graduation.

Thanks for the links, comments and tips everyone. Even if I didn't create this thread, I had the same concern as OP so those were really helpful.

6/9/14

Thanks for posting this thread. Definitely helped me out!

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10/11/14

In response to eric809e here are my personal observations and reviews of the two education systems;

I've taught in north & south US and Canadian schools and I can definitively say that the US education benchmark is WAY lower than the Canadian counterpart for several reasons;

1) passing grade in US is 65%, passing grade in Canada is 50% HOWEVER, Canadian expectations and curriculum objectives for a 50 are WAY higher and more involve more work than for a US 65.

2) Teachers grade extremely leniently in the US compared to in Canada. I had the same academic expectations of students in both countries but I was personally instructed on several occasions to inflate US student marks (who did not earn them) due to state benchmark expectations. I was never instructed to inflate marks in Canada.

3) The US AP curriculum IS the average Canadian curriculum, which means students leaving Canadian schools with the average diploma have achieved a higher standard of education than their US average diploma counterparts.

4) US teachers can become teachers without any teacher education. Most states require passing Praxis I & II but this can be done by cramming at home. You cannot get a teaching job in Canada without getting a proper Bachelor's of Ed.

Furthermore, the US Master's of Ed IS the Canadian Bachelor's of Ed. Canadian teachers do their undergrad 4-year Bachelor's degree in a subject and then must go back to teacher's college for 1-2 years to earn their Bachelor's of Ed. Canadian teacher's colleges do not recognize, or dispense, Master's degrees of Education unless a Bachelor's in Education has been accomplished. The US M.Ed. is the same program as the Canadian B.Ed.
In the US you can do a Bachelor's in English and then go on to get a Master's in Education designation, even though they are completely different fields.

Summarily, Canadian grades cannot be curved down if the curriculum and assessment is reviewed side by side unless US schools are deliberately choosing to discriminate against Canadian applicants.

In reply to Canada Ed
12/20/14

I'm sure that your experience does say something about the regions of Canada and United States that you have taught in, but I can't help but to throw in some of my personal experiences, which can lead to more or less the opposite conclusion.
I went to school in Montreal until I was 16, I got into one of the best ecoles secondaires there (private, need to take admission tests etc, I got full scholarship for tuition due to test scores), I was easily one of the top 5 students of my grade (in fact, before I moved away, I was aiming to graduate valedictorian). Being asian, my parents also signed me up for Chinese school math classes outside of the high school that moved according to the progress of high schools in China, because they believed the progress in math classes in the Canadian high school is too slow. I can say confidently that I was at least in the top 3% of students of my grade in all of Montreal.
However, I moved to a small college town in Northern California when I was 16, 5eme annee secondaire in Montreal and sophomore in the US. I lagged way behind academically compared to students of the new high school (which was public). The new high school that I went to, the top 10% of students have finished all AP calculus class, all AP physics, AP bio and AP chemistry by sophomore/junior year, they are taking classes in university and participating in research project with university research teams while taking SATs to apply for college. In Montreal, we didn't START taking calculus until we were in CEGEP, which is at age 17/18 (so finish at 19/20 years old before starting analysis & linear algebra, which is in college). I had to study really hard to catch for the two years of classes I was behind, to become fluent in English (I grew up in a French neighborhood) and to be able to become a top tier student at the new high school.
I understand that the high school I went to in California is an anomaly for the general USA, but it's actually quite common in the bay area (I heard that in the East Coast there are also places with public high school like this). The AP standards are actually very minimal for admission into good schools the US, I took in total 16 AP tests (scored a 5 in 14 of them, the other 2 was in senior year after I got college admission offers and I just didn't give a sh*t anymore), but that didn't not make me get into Harvard or MIT (I think part of the reason I didn't get in was because I was international and asking for full financial aid). I went to UC Berkeley engineering school, full ride with Regents scholarship & financial aid, I have to say that over 80% of peer engineering students have finished all calculus classes while in high school, a good amount also finished linear algebra, I haven't met a single engineering student that was actually at the AP standard, since it is a very minimalistic standard for admission into good schools and good schools assume you have to at least attain them to try to apply. While I was applying for university admission, I also applied to McGill, U Toronto, UBC and U of waterloo because they would be free for me and I got into all of them without a problem (I got into McGill pre-med program and engineering for the other three).

If I were to generalize my experience, I can easily conclude that Canadian high schools are much easier and teach much less advanced contents, but I'm not going to do that because I have to think about the following factors:
1. Quebec has a different system than the rest of Canada,
2. Bay area high schools are significantly above the average in US high school.

I think most people in this thread are assuming that the US has in general the same education system throughout, but it really doesn't. Most people from US public high schools will not be able to attend the best programs in the best universities, because, as you inferred, they are below the AP standards. But when it comes to the good high schools in the US, AP standards are very minimal requirements, at least in the bay area high schools, top 10% of students finish all STEM AP class in sophomore year of high school, and programs that rank top 5 in the US exclusively pick from this batch of top students from good high schools (I'm not saying that it's an good phenomenon, in fact I think it's really messed up because these good schools are located in neighborhoods where a 2 bedroom house costs more than 1$ million on average, it's very unfair for the majority of the population). But since this thread is discussing top universities, you can't used the average high school in America to compare, because people at the top universities are from high schools that are very different from the average high school).

**also, notice I'm talking about programs in universities, not universities in general. Top 5 ranked programs tend to be more strict than the rest of the programs in the same university. For example, I'm minoring in French at Berkeley and I can say that I have an A+ average (above 97%) in French classes after 5 upper divisions, but I don't even spend one quarter of the time I spend for engineering classes in French classes, and I'm actually below top 30% for engineering. For roofstreet's comment about Berkeley classes, I'm pretty sure it's about humanities classes because Berkeley's engineering classes are among the top 3 hardest in the US (every professor that have ever taught me engineering subjects said that), I have seeing Mcgill and U Waterloo's engineering classes program and most of the classes they take in the first one year and a half are classes that I have already taken in high school, most Berkeley engineer students have already taken them before university admission. But I do agree that Berkeley humanities classes need to step their game up.

12/20/14

Maybe it's "harder" to get an A in Canada because the students are dumber. Occam's Razor.

1/3/15

My general feeling is that top Canadian universities are a bit harder on marks than comparable US ones. As an example, I went to University of Toronto for undergrad computer science. I'm applying for MBA so recently had a good look at my transcript. The class average for CS courses were usually between a C to C+. In fact only one course had a class average higher than c+, and that course the class average was a stratospheric B-..

When I graduated, I averaged between a B and B+, and I can guarantee you I worked very hard to earn those marks. Although I'm not the smartest guy in the world, I'm also not the dullest. scored 99% on SAT's, had straight A's in high school, etc...

In reply to eric809e
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  •  3/2/16

Your page doesn't even work. So you are wrong

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