Am I good enough for HBS/GSB?
I'll cut to the chase:
- 1 Year investment banking at a bulge bracket in NY
- 2 years in corporate strategy at a cool place (think Tesla/Google/Amazon)
- 3.5 GPA in Finance from a top 40, 4.0 Finance GPA
- 740M 690V SAT
- 740 GMAT
- Zero EC's or other fluff
When are you applying? You have a really strong background, but I feel that you need some EC's or something special to get in HBS/GSB.
Having just gone through the process, I'd say that you have a shot but by no means a shoe in. I bet the schools will like the corp strat gig especially if its at a legit company like you've said and if it ties into your long term goals. However, these schools are snobby and a top 40 in finance isn't special especially with a 3.5 - I personally think this is good but HBS/Stanford are a different story. Also no ECs hurts.
Basically, the only thing you have that stands out is potentially the corp strat gig. With some luck and killer essays you might have a shot but I wouldn't bank on it. MBA business schools ">M7 school is possible and top 10 more likely than not.
So let me rephrase the question, my background is my background, what can I do to improve my chances? I don't mind getting involved in ECs now that I have time, but realistically I'm not about to go become Chairman of some local charity.
I'm no expert and I think all this shit is a crap shoot regardless of who you are (I know a Stanford 3.8 to McK to Mega Fund partner track that got denied HBS/Stanford).
Like you said, you are who you are and your profile is what it is. I'm sure you can do some ECs but at this point it might scream phony given you haven't been involved yet - unless it some how tied into who you truly are and your passions.
I guess you could do some extra classes but a 3.5 is still good but not great so I'm not sure the value there. 740 gmat is also pretty standard for those schools, great score and not worth retaking.
Basically, I'd say you really just have control over the quality of your apps. If you have a good story and a goal you want to achieve you might get lucky. I wouldn't say there is some game changing thing you can do to significantly improve your app (3.0 taking 5 classes with all As, 690 retaking gmat to 740, etc).
Like a lot of people out there you have a pretty good profile. Hopefully you get lucky but I wouldn't be fixated on only those two schools. It's a numbers game.
Thank you for your help!
why would a mega fund partner track guy leave to get an MBA? That is more than likely the reason he was denied
post mba.
There are a lot of folks on these forums who either got rejected from target schools or couldn't afford them who landed in the front office out of random state schools. But I do think it's possible to take a look at someone's background and say "There's a 50% chance you get in."
How did you get the BB job without ECs?
So you work/worked at Tesla.. since the only people that think its cool are the current/former employees, everyone else thinks "What's Tesla?"
What's a tesla?
There are generally two roads you try to shoot for: to be the best of the best in a current role (banking, consulting) or fill the "special students with world perspective" quota. Both ways you still have to have convincing essays though.
The special quota would be something: Say you worked as a finance analyst traveling around remote parts of Africa investing here and there in start-ups. Or you're part of a big up-and-coming alternative energy initiative as an engineer somewhere bringing renewable power. You'll be allowed more leniency on your test and GPA scores if you can fit in this bucket.
You will also get an extra bonus if you are a minority.
This is what I always think about when I hear "tesla":
The TESLA COIL!!! I loved that game. I always played the Russians. Maybe because Im Russian.
I think you're good enough for somewhere in the MBA business schools ">M7. HBS will be looking for more ECs, though. Tesla may be interesting, but I don't see this picture of arête that covers 3-4 different dimensions that HBS and Stanford typically look for. They want to see professional excellence, some form of athleticism, academics, and giving back to the community. I see the professional and academic excellence. I don't see the other two dimensions.
Those two are enough for much of the rest of the MBA business schools ">M7, though. I think you stand a very good chance at Chicago and Sloan if you can retake the GMATs and get a 760 this time. Northwestern and Columbia may take you now as it stands.
If you want to get into HBS, one way to get there is to keep doing exactly what you're doing, plus get involved with Tesla's race team and apply next fall.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-20024147-48.html
Work experience? Check. Academics? (GMATs +4.0 GPA) Check. + Awesome ECs? Total check. +
Solid recs, essays, and interview +
50% chance at an HBS or Stanford admit (about as good as anyone).
Just make sure that whatever EC it is, it's something you truly enjoy. If you don't like working on electric car racing, do something else. One of my friends goes ice climbing every winter weekend. Another does the Hudson River Swim. Find something you enjoy and do it.
start a non-profit, like RIGHT NOW and then apply in 2 years. i bet you'll get in.
HBS/GSB generally look for more mammoth tanks/less grenadiers in an application
I am really tired of people who make these kinds on posts.
NOBODY CARES!!
What are you looking for some kind of personal validation from people on this site with your whole "am I good enough" and "can I get in" bull s@&t!!!!
Stop it!! If you want to find out, freakin' apply......
Hi BschoolBandit -- Well, at least you asked. Here's my take, as an HBS grad who worked in finance for a long time and does resume coaching at the GSB. First, the stats: you need to get over 80-85% on the math part of the GMAT, and I'm interpolating that you did so because of your higher math score on your SAT. So that gets the ball over the net. Looking at your GPA, in addition to A's in finance, Harvard and GSB care about how you challenged yourself -- that is, did you do well in very hard math classes, or hard sciences? They also want to know if you took advantage of your four years to explore other courses to open your mind up. Many applicants underestimate the story that is told by what kinds of courses you chose to take when you were an undergrad.
As for the corporate strategy job, Tesla is very cool, because it is small and exciting, and of course, down the street from Stanford. Amazon and Google are not, on the surface, huge differentiators. Although they are solid employers for a pre-MBA student, they would not, by themselves, make the application jump out of the pile
There's a myth that you need a lot of extra-curriculars while you are working 80 hour weeks. You don't. . But you really needed to have some activities in college to be competitive at any top school. Unless you were working 40 hours a week to pay for your education, you would be expected to have joined clubs, teams, or shown some entrepreneurial spirit. Sometimes students forget that they have outside interests, such as playing sports at the club level.
You have to be 3-dimensional to get into HBS or Stanford, as Dee Leopold (HBS admissions dean) says, "We know you are smart, but are you interesting?" Also for Stanford, they really, really do want you to take seriously their tagline, "Change Lives. Change Organizations. Change the World." Every single student admitted to the GSB subscribes to this motto.
Finally, I agree with ke18sb, who encouraged you to look beyond just two schools. It's definitely worthwhile to research others and figure out where else you might fit in and find success.
Best of luck, Betsy
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