Anyone else see parallels with the climate junkies and LTCM?
Having read a lot recently about the climate change (on which I'm a skeptic) it all comes down to one thing. Modelling. The current models predict X.
Which worked really well with the dataset you have, because it was built from that dataset. But when used to predict the future, it works ok now and again, but misses some significant fundamentals, with potentially catastrophic consequences.
However, as soon as you put your neck out to say this, you're called a denier, put in the same basket as every other nasty denier in history, and want to kill the planet for profit. Nobel prize laureates praising and reaping the benefits off their own research, haven't we been here before?





Matt Ridley has talked
Matt Ridley has talked extensively about this. Your opinion isn't new. Go fawn off somewhere else.
anamerican
Okay, so I'm a fellow
Okay, so I'm a fellow skeptic, and here's my take:
1) Doesn't fucking matter if climate change is happening or not. It's my surroundings, my environment, I don't like people shitting on it.
2) I think there are a lot better comparisons to be made than LTCM (global cooling, for one).
3) Look past the $ bills (to an extent) and love the shit outta this environment. The companies that are going to be successful in the future are the ones that don't shit all over it.
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anamerican: Matt Ridley has
Matt Ridley has talked extensively about this. Your opinion isn't new. Go fawn off somewhere else.
despite phrasing it like a tosser, this is actually helpful. Thanks, even if your intention was to put me down rather than spread the word.
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No offense bro but I am a
No offense bro but I am a tosser. Just how I evolved I suppose :(. Go fuck yourself.
fyi, go check Ridley's talk at the Edinburgh RSE. It was covered by Reason and a number of others -- it's extremely helpful and perhaps what you're looking for. Half of it looks at modelling bias and contradictions used.
anamerican
Where I struggle currently is
Where I struggle currently is when the sheeple come out with "scientists have said this", I need solid evidence to argue that, its very frustrating to try and explain to people that quote "experts" and expect to be right and anyone that disagrees is an idiot. Will check it out.
T
Sure if you can't find it
Sure if you can't find it please tell me.
Btw, your writing is really hard to read, aka, it sucks badly. My, my, my, do you mind reading Orwell's politics of the English Language while you're at it.
and as always, go fuck yourself.
anamerican
It is too complicated. I
It is too complicated. I don't have time to learn about it. Something like 97% of climate change scientists believe in anthropogenic climate change.
Does it make me a sheep to trust experts? I guess, but you must have a hard time if you never quote "experts". They're not always right, just almost always. I find it rational to believe them. I don't assume you're an idiot if you don't believe them, unless you're not a PhD. In which case, not believing makes it very likely that you are, in fact, an idiot.
Should we stop all development in order to reduce greenhouse gasses? Of course not. Should we consider the long term implications of climate change as we manage policies to deal with the collective action problems associated with scarcity? It seems rational.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/opinion/the-conv...
blastoise: no
no
YOU JUST GOT TROLLED
http://www.troll.me/images/red-foreman322/dont-you...
UFOinsider: blastoise: no
no
cityknight: It is too
It is too complicated. I don't have time to learn about it. Something like 97% of climate change scientists believe in anthropogenic climate change.
Does it make me a sheep to trust experts? I guess, but you must have a hard time if you never quote "experts". They're not always right, just almost always. I find it rational to believe them. I don't assume you're an idiot if you don't believe them, unless you're not a PhD. In which case, not believing makes it very likely that you are, in fact, an idiot.
Should we stop all development in order to reduce greenhouse gasses? Of course not. Should we consider the long term implications of climate change as we manage policies to deal with the collective action problems associated with scarcity? It seems rational.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/opinion/the-conversion-of-a-climate-change-skeptic.html?src=me&ref=general
http://judithcurry.com/2012/07/29/a-new-release-fr...
long story short, his reason for conversion is not build on anything substantial or new.
blastoise: UFOinsider: bl
blastoise
YOU JUST GOT TROLLED
http://www.troll.me/images/red-foreman322/dont-you...
http://www.sfgate.com/science
http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/UC-climate-c...
That's worth reading. A former hardcore skeptic, whose research is also backed by donations from the Koch family (for what it's worth), has come around big time after more and more research.
Check out my WSO Blog
TheKing: backed by donations
backed by donations from the Koch family (for what it's worth)
I'd put that in the same camp of 'objective' as research backed by Phillip Morris
YOU JUST GOT TROLLED
http://www.troll.me/images/red-foreman322/dont-you...
UFOinsider: TheKing: backed
backed by donations from the Koch family (for what it's worth)
I'd put that in the same camp of 'objective' as research backed by Phillip Morris
that's the point now isn't it? that even scientific panels backed by those that wish to deny are finally coming around to agreeing that the change is anthropogenic.
to OP: Of course models are always wrong, but here there's no choice as to be in the game or not (as with LTCMs decision to make investments) so it's a different situation entirely. With climate non-action (business as normal) is just as much a moral decision as action and you have to rely on what scientific information and tools (models) you have at hand to make informed decisions.
UFOinsider: TheKing: backed
Check out my WSO Blog
geofinance: UFOinsider: T
YOU JUST GOT TROLLED
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