GWU's MSF
I was wondering if any of the members from WSO have any experience with George Washington University's B-School, whether its personal experience or you know someone who went there. I am specifically interested in their MSF program and that hefty tag of $60,000 for their tuition alone. That's ridicolous in my opinion, given that they seem like a non-target MSF program, even in the D.C. area. Would anyone have any opinion on this school, maybe you applied or did your UG at GWU. What were your experiences/expectations and were they met? From their direct information, they seem to place people alright, but they do not provide any specific statistics.
60K? Does that include room and board or just tuition?
I was dumbfounded, I have never heard of a program charging $1250 per credit and every course being 4, instead of 3, credits. There are 12 classes so times that by $1250, its $60,000 for tuition alone! Ridicolous in my opinion, that GWU treats itself like an Ivy when they are not even a target school. Maybe I am wrong but don't MSF programs usually run from $20,000 to $40,000 most for tuition alone?
30K at Villanova.
36K at BC
41K at Vandy
I am sorry, but the ROI from a MSF degree is not high enough to be worth more than 40K. MIT and now GWU are out of their mind.
rochester is 1433 a credit
Flat out, I think BC is one of the best values since you can work during the day or intern during the program. UofR is absolutely not worth that tuition.
Olin is 44K
Princeton -38K (that is a 1 year tuition)
Interesting link
http://www.quantnet.com/mfe-programs-rankings/
University of Tulsa's cost is $30,000...so what is GWU thinking? Those two are probably comparable in every aspect. Looks like UofR wins in the "MSF rip-off" department
GWU is so over-priced, and over-rated. It will be suicidal for you to invest such amount of money in their MSF program the ROI is definitely closer to 0.
60k is ridiculous..and its not that great a program..MSF at Illinois Tech costs 40k but almost everyone gets a minimum of 30 % funding.You just have to score more than 650 in GMAT.That makes it 28K.Plus you can work in the mornings as most classes are in the evening. I agree with Anthony that ROI from a MSF degree is not that high.Probably BC has the best value.
How does Illinois Tech do with regards to placement? A minimum 650 on the GMAT is definately achievable and 30% off is always better than nothing.
I think GWU's MSF is different than what most people here think of when talking about a MSF. I remember when I was applying to MSF programs I considered GWU but their avg. work experience for the 2009 class was 6 years. I think they gear the program towards older people with more work experience. Now, after saying that, I have no idea what their job placement is like. I think the program is more of an MBA for people who want something more technical. Candidates that have avg. work experience of 6 years should get experienced hire positions upon graduating (and as a result, higher salaries than what we typically associate with a MSF).
http://business.gwu.edu/grad/msf/class_profile.html
Its apparently ranked in the top 12 for Quant Finance and there is also one other rank that escapes my mind right now, so I would imagine that within the D.C. area, it would not be an entirely bad choice except for the $60k tuition bill + books,room and board and living expenses...easily $80k in total for the program.
sent you a PM RealDeal
im thinknig about it since tuition isnt an issue and i wanna stay in DC...................
bump booga
To the contrary quite a few BB recruit at GW. We actually have a information scheduled with Goldman and Barclays in the upcoming weeks. As you can expect, finance is not the main area people from GW are entering. We are heavy on consulting, politics, and media. That said, political jobs and interns are nearly unmatched, the number of freshman from GW working on the hill is quite ridiculous. People are interested in other government places like the World Bank, WTO, and Federal Trade Commission. Also, when you look at our selectivity percent, we have a 30% acceptance rate which is abnormal for where we are ranked by US News. Deloitte, Accenture, Booz Allen Hamilton also recruit heavily here. The student body consists mainly of affluent northeastern prep schoolers, the school is located close to New York, and going out in Georgetown is the most fun you can have. The reason the tuition price is high is because real estate where we are located is astronomically high. GW has undertaken a massive building spree in the past few years and the dorms really are like palaces. I mean, my bathroom has marble floors the kitchen has granite table tops, and we have a balcony...
I sent an email to the GWU program coordinator. Hopefully he will respond favorably and I can get some more info for my blog and all of you.
thanks, my main question is, i got a response saying who receruits there, but for what positions and what is the statistical #?
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GWU MSF rankings and employment opportunties (Originally Posted: 06/06/2011)
I applied to 4 MSF programs for this fall ( BU, UIUC, VANDERBILT, GWU). The only place i got into is GWU. I am planning to go there now but after reading a few comments on this site I am starting to doubt my decision. My main concern is that the degree may not create as much value as the 60k cost. The program is a hefty amount and I dont want it to go to waste. My undergrad GPA is ridiculously low but I scored a 1430 on my GRE (800 quant), I also have absolutely no professional experience and the avg age of students in the GWU program is 29.
I would like some advice on whether the degree will provide value to me and whether it is suitable regarding my age (22) and professional experience. Would I be better off if I passed 2 levels of the CFA privatlely?
also interested in this...
This program really has the reputation for being centered around older people with more work experience. A lot more like a working man's MSF than a lot of the other programs to which you applied. Hope that little bit helped, check out MSFHQ.com too.
Surprised you got in considering your age and relatively little work experience.
That said, agree with HPM.
Wouldnt know what to tell you about the CFA but from what I gather its a respected qualification. PM Ant, the resident MSF expert.
Thank you for your replies but I still dont understand the exact implications for me. 1)Does this mean that the degree will not be sufficient in providing me a job as I dont have any experience? 2) Does it mean that it will be harder for me to cope with the syllabus?
2) If you got in, you should be able to cope with the syllabus (or handle to course work as normal people would say)
3) Networking will be your way into a job.
I am also very confused about the GWU MSF ranking, opinions seem to vary greatly. Which tier would you put the program in.
60K? Fuck that.
GWU MSF - Thoughts? (Originally Posted: 01/20/2012)
Hello-
I'm really looking for some validation on my decission, but any thoughts and advice is welcome and helpful. My situations is as follows:
-I'm a nearly 30 year old professional with 6+ years of work experience.
-I went to an Ivy league for undergraduate and got a MS from a state school while working.
-Most of my work has been on the more technical side, doing project management, business and data analysis (lots of database experience), and business process re-engineering. -I've worked for a large, private trading company and currently work for the US Treasury in DC.
My goals: I have technical skills and general business skills and have worked in finance related fields (mostly on accounting systems and financial statements etc). I'm looking to close the gap in terms of finance knowledge, of which, I have little. I am also very quantitative oriented which is one of the reasons I'm choosing an MSF. I also think I'll learn a ton.
I will be in DC for the next few years and figure it is a perfect opportunity to add this to my resume. Upon leaving, I would like to get a job in finance, I'm just not entirely sure where or really doing what yet.
GWU seems to have one of the better MSF programs in the area. In addition, I get a 50% discount on tuition which is huge. Those are my main reasons for deciding on GWU. I have already been admitted and just wanted to vet my decision. Anybody have any thoughts?
It'll be hard to use this as a catalyst for career change since you won't be going full time.
You seem to be at a decent place in your career for an MBA. Why not do that if you want to change careers?
2 reasons really.
1 - At this point, I cannot go to school full time and forgo a salary. I think a full-time MBA is really the only worthwhile kind.
2 - I also do believe I will learn more about finance going this route. I can see myself doing an MBA after that, but I also might be done at that point.
I think at this point an MBA is a better option.
Getting into GWU MSF program (Originally Posted: 06/30/2011)
What are my chances of getting into the George washington university masters in finance program? accounting degree with a 3.0 GPA, GRE: 390 (V), 620(Q). Work exp: Part time job in school as a tele-fund caller and an internship at Citi bank.
From what I've seen GW's program seems to be more geared toward working professionals... I think someone on here got in straight out of UG, but that doesn't seem to be the norm.
how in the fuck is your verbal so low?!?!?!?!?
I wrote the exam last minute, during finals too so I didn't really study effectively for it.
I was accepted without FT WE,and there is at lease another member who was accepted too. My stats,in case you want to compare: Degree from a Greek university,7.7/10 + 10 courses non-degee at another one GMAT 700 total 9 months of internship at a brokerage and a bank 9 months military service
From my understanding,if you have solid stats besides WE,they wont rule you out.
you may want to consider studying and retaking..
and they take GRE for the msf, not GMAT?
Every MSF accepts GMAT,not sure about GRE...
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