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Master's in Finance or Accounting?
 

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Monkey321
      IB
 
(Chimp, 13
 
Points)
 on 6/1/10 at 2:38pm

I'm interested in getting into corporate finance at a fortune 500 or investment bank and eventually getting into an equity fund or venture capital/private equity related. Do you guys think I should pursue a MS in Finance or Accounting? I feel like coursework in Finance is more basic whereas in Accounting it's more in thorough and in depth, but which looks better on your resume?

Also, there really are no good programs where I live, so I'm not doing this for a strong recruitment network, but am rather hoping it will make myself more attractive to employers and b-school, especially since I graduated with a BA in econ and didn't get stellar grades. Think this is a good/bad idea?

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Monkey321 wrote: I feel like

rooster
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(Orangutan, 340
 
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 on 6/1/10 at 2:41pm
Monkey321:

I feel like coursework in Finance is more basic whereas in Accounting it's more in thorough and in depth

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Your undergrad grades won't

asiansensation
      IB
 
(Senior Chimp, 24
 
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 on 6/1/10 at 3:12pm

Your undergrad grades won't matter when you get your MSF/MSA degree. You will have difficulty finding a job if you're 1) an international student and 2) seeking BB investment banking positions. BBs don't hire masters students into their analyst pool

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Don't do a master of

kjl
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(Senior Baboon, 243
 
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 on 6/1/10 at 3:14pm

Don't do a master of accounting unless you want to do accounting. Accounting knowledge is important but you don't need a whole degree in it unless you want to do it.

And any graduate program within the business/finance realm should have some sort of network tied to it, or else you'll end up where you are now, even if you got better grades in your masters program. Why don't you consider moving to go to a better program?

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asiansensation wrote: BBs

qweretyq
      ST
 
(Senior Orangutan, 444
 
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 on 6/1/10 at 3:15pm
asiansensation:

BBs don't hire masters students into their analyst pool

I don't think this is true.

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asiansensation wrote: BBs

MittRomney
     
 
(Orangutan, 286
 
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 on 6/1/10 at 3:16pm
asiansensation:

BBs don't hire masters students into their analyst pool

Not true...if it's just after doing a bachelors degree, its fine...a few of my buddies went to top BBs after doing either masters in accounting or finance

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I think it's more rare in the

asiansensation
      IB
 
(Senior Chimp, 24
 
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 on 6/1/10 at 3:41pm

I think it's more rare in the U.S. The vast majority of BB 1st years are kids fresh out of undergrad programs.

In Europe, average 1st year analyst age is like 26 because a good chunk of them have graduate degrees

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Accounting as a degree is

Puzich
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 on 6/1/10 at 4:09pm

Accounting as a degree is useless for practical purposes, because you end up discussing things like "what is an asset", "when a sale becomes a sale", etc. Unless you are into theory - don't do it. Finance is better, it is less boring, more fun and gives you way more "general" knowledge, which can be a bit useful in IBD.

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I got a MA in accounting, and

I Want to Invest
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 on 6/1/10 at 6:32pm

I got a MA in accounting, and am going to get a MA in fin Eng I think to branch into finance (its been about 6 years since my 1 year masters). Although my initial goal was to work big 4 a few years and then get a MBA later, so I guess I somewhat stuck to that

If you want to do finance/banking, get a finance degree not an accounting degree. But be aware of what your job prospects would be in each area when you make the decision .

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asiansensation wrote: I think

bcbunker1
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(Orangutan, 296
 
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 on 6/1/10 at 6:30pm
asiansensation:

I think it's more rare in the U.S. The vast majority of BB 1st years are kids fresh out of undergrad programs.

In Europe, average 1st year analyst age is like 26 because a good chunk of them have graduate degrees

im in a master in finance and pretty much all of the kids fresh out of undergrad into my masters program get BB analyst roles in NYC.

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A lot of it depends on the

JobHopeful
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(Monkey, 38
 
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 on 6/1/10 at 7:33pm

A lot of it depends on the schools that you're looking at for MAcc or MSF. If you get into Princeton's MSF program like bcbunker, then I say go for that. However, you should do your own reserach for the non-top tier MSF programs and figure out how much recruiting they get.

I recently graduated and had both options, but eventually chose to do the MAcc after researching the both schools' placements. The MSF I got into is well regarded in the US, but I could not get a read on how well they place students going right after undergrad. Whereas, the MAcc I got into is one of the top programs in the country and I saw definitive placements by students into IB or Corp Fin coming out of the program. So, just make sure you do your own research on any program you get into.

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I dont know why people

TNA
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(Human, 13,533
 
Points)
 on 6/1/10 at 7:44pm

I dont know why people looking to break into banking dont just get a masters in whatever from an ivy school. You have a finance UG. Go to Penn or Dartmouth and get a masters in literature so you can mooch off the alumni. When they ask why finance just tell them you wanted to pursue a passion you had since childhood for one year before you devote yourself to banking. It will make you an interesting candidate and you will be just as qualified as the UG kid from an ivy who got a liberal arts degree.

We got people trying to go to Duke for a MMS degree which is a watered down MBA. People will pay 40-50K for a name on their resume, why not just go to the liberal arts school. MFin from Princeton and a MA in History from Princeton will still let you have PRINCETON in bold on your resume. I mean if this is what we have come to you might as well have fun with it.

I hear over and over and over how prestige and GPA are all the matters in banking. You sure as hell dont need a MSF, MSCF, MFin, etc to succeed in banking.

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AnthonyD1982 wrote: I dont

bcbunker1
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(Orangutan, 296
 
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 on 6/1/10 at 8:46pm
AnthonyD1982:

I dont know why people looking to break into banking dont just get a masters in whatever from an ivy school. You have a finance UG. Go to Penn or Dartmouth and get a masters in literature so you can mooch off the alumni. When they ask why finance just tell them you wanted to pursue a passion you had since childhood for one year before you devote yourself to banking. It will make you an interesting candidate and you will be just as qualified as the UG kid from an ivy who got a liberal arts degree.

We got people trying to go to Duke for a MMS degree which is a watered down MBA. People will pay 40-50K for a name on their resume, why not just go to the liberal arts school. MFin from Princeton and a MA in History from Princeton will still let you have PRINCETON in bold on your resume. I mean if this is what we have come to you might as well have fun with it.

I hear over and over and over how prestige and GPA are all the matters in banking. You sure as hell dont need a MSF, MSCF, MFin, etc to succeed in banking.

You dont honestly think recruiters look at master in finance and master in near eastern studies at princeton similarly for banking jobs, do you?

I do think, however, that at the undergrad level most recruiters could care less what your major is provided you are at a top school and have a solid gpa.

BTW: I would not recommend coming to princeton for a mfin if you want to do m&a type work. For the op, if you want to do PE/VC work then you should not get a master in finance. You need to get an MBA for that.

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@ BC Bunker

TNA
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(Human, 13,533
 
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 on 6/1/10 at 8:53pm

@ BC Bunker

MFIn from Princeton is an utter bitch to get into. Other than MIT not too many schools have MSF programs (Ivey schools I mean). Supposing we take Princeton and MIT off the board. Would you recommend an MA in History from Columbia or a MSF from BC ? I think the Columbia network and name is probably worth a lot more.

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AnthonyD1982 wrote: @ BC

bcbunker1
      ST
 
(Orangutan, 296
 
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 on 6/1/10 at 9:12pm
AnthonyD1982:

@ BC Bunker

MFIn from Princeton is an utter bitch to get into. Other than MIT not too many schools have MSF programs (Ivey schools I mean). Supposing we take Princeton and MIT off the board. Would you recommend an MA in History from Columbia or a MSF from BC ? I think the Columbia network and name is probably worth a lot more.

ok now we are talking about a serious dilemma.

if i had to choose i would try and get a masters in something economics/business related at an ivy over an msf from anywhere other than princeton and mit if i knew i wanted to do BB ibanking. For instance, I would probably choose NYU's master in econ http://econ.as.nyu.edu/page/ma (yes i know NYU isnt ivy) over a villanova or vanderbilt msf simply because of the school's network and the degree being somewhat related to finance.

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See, thats what I meant. I

TNA
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(Human, 13,533
 
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 on 6/1/10 at 9:20pm

See, thats what I meant. I went to Villanova and learned a lot about finance. Great network, but you do not need a graduate level understanding of finance to break into banking. I love finance so I enjoyed it, but if I was advising someone I would tell them to go for the name and network first and foremost.

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asiansensation wrote: I think

didi2008
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 on 6/2/10 at 1:30am
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Gotta factor in work

asiansensation
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didi2008

BradZ
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Let's you left high school at

Scratchy
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Spoken by a true jacka**.

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In London, the average first

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  • My original plan was to write a series about starting my eccomerce business; going through the process of finding a market, a product and funding. I still plan to do this, but I would like to talk about something that is far more pressing to me: IP...
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  • Starting my MBA at Purdue in the fall (I know not an elite program but I got almost a full ride and they seem to place the best of the non-elite Midwest schools). I am looking to get into oil and gas post MBA (focusing in corp finance). I am currently 33, my original undergrad is in criminal...
    looking to break into oil & gas post mba
  • Hi everyone, I have an upcoming first round phone interview with Susquehanna International Group for an entry level equity research position and I was hoping for some idea of what to expect. I have used the search function, and no one seemed to answer the question of the interview process...
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  • 1) <strong>Bloomberg Best (and Worst)</strong> (<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/visual-data/best-and-worst/s">Bloomberg</a>) - Awesome new research tool from Bloomberg. This is seriously cool and very comprehensive. Going to help a lot of us find a jumping off...
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  • looking on linkedin it appears that many HInes analysts end up going to b-school and then back to hines. I was curious to know if they pay for it? ...
    does Hines pay/sponsor your MBA??
  • I was curious to know about Lazard's private funds group....is this the equivalent to a sponsors group at a BB? Are the hours & intensity equivalent as well? or do the projects have a more long term focus since they are raising funds which can take considerable amounts of...
    lazard private funds group? - good training? exit opps?
  • Hi WSO, long time lurker here, lots of useful advice on the boards and I finally made an account. I am attempting to make the transition to Asset management and have a first round interview with JPM to join as an analyst. I am coming from an unusual background (non-target, big 4 tax experience)...
    JPM AM experienced hire process? - London
  • I work as a currency volatility trader and manage one of the bigger G10 blocs in London. I've been lucky enough to get responsibility early in my career. I started off managing a single currency book a few months into the job, and have steadily been granted more responsibility to where I am...
    Ask Me Anything: I'm a Currency Volatility Trader
  • I have searched but could not find the exact difference between a prop Trader and a Portfolio manager.Could somebody please tell me?...
    Portfolio manager and prop trader
  • I recently received an message to a comment I made how I was able to break into IB as intern and would like to provide a nice update to where I am in my career. Original Story from April...
    My Story (A Thank You Card to Patrick and the Team)
  • Hey folks, just wondering what the general notion is about doing a summer internship in Africa. Have some family connections and was offered a SA position at a large African Bank while I visit family this summer. I feel like working here will put a different perspective of experience in my resume...
    Summer Internship at top African Bank? Worth It?
  • My younger brother got into both of these as an international student. Just wondering what the views were on here on these two schools specifically on recruiting. He wants to be open to both IBD and S&T (Sales). The coursework for IE Spain seems more quantitative than Rochester, with the...
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I was writing an email to a fellow monkey who is about to start as a banking analyst in the summer. It's been a little over 5 yrs now since I was a wee young first-year analyst in restructuring for one of the Moelis/Houlihan/Evercore type firms (I call them the firms where most people will...
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This is the reaction any analyst who has ever worked in banking has when you say you want to leave banking for business school then come back as a post b school associate... <img src="http://epicpinterestfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/how-i-met-your-mother-barney-why.gif"...
Why You DON'T Leave Banking for B School Just to Come Right Back...
I get a ton of emails and answer a ton of posts asking similar questions so I thought I would answer the most common ones I get here and allow others to post their questions so everyone can see them and the subsequent answers. Hope this helps. <strong>Summer Analyst...
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I work as a currency volatility trader and manage one of the bigger G10 blocs in London. I've been lucky enough to get responsibility early in my career. I started off managing a single currency book a few months into the job, and have steadily been granted more responsibility to where I am...
Ask Me Anything: I'm a Currency Volatility Trader
Inspired by comments from this: http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/basic-guide-ramping-up-on-a-company-with-public-information-part-1-of-3 Lets just jump in. <strong>Technology:</strong> In this space there are really two metrics that matter the most, sales growth and EPS...
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I'm currently a Private Equity Analyst in Shanghai, China. Academically, I graduated from a target school majoring in Economics and Chinese. I also spent my time at college as the president of an on-campus student organization related to Finance and Economics and a volunteer for a local...
Ask me anything… I'm a Private Equity Analyst in Shanghai
For better or for worse, there’s a very unique feeling when everything goes completely according to plan yet nobody seems to care or notice. Such is the case with our favorite company of the moment, Tesla Motors. For those unaware, TSLA has rocketed upwards since its Q1 earnings release,...
A Perfect Storm
I work as a long/short equity analyst at a large hedge fund. I've been lucky enough to be more than just a model monkey early on in my career, but have also been exposed to the stress of being measured on returns. I primarily cover consumer and TMT names. I went the typical path (target...
I'm a Hedge Fund Analyst - Ask Me Anything
Fellow Primates, We are looking for 1-2 students on each campus to help WSO in its sales efforts to student clubs/career centers, and overall promotion at your school both online and on the ground. Below is a description of the position and benefits...thanks in advance for your help! <a...
WSO is Looking for Campus Reps For Summer/Fall 2013 (and beyond)
<em>Mod note: Best of Bankerella - this was originally posted 10/1/12</em> I occasionally get PMed by people at colleges I’ve never heard of before, asking if they have a shot at IBD. Folks, why IBD? The finance world is broad and varied, and there are a million ways to...
My Biggest Career Mistake to Date: Prestige
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