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Grandpa And Grandma Are Taking Our Jobs
 

anaxi's picture
(Orangutan, 318
 
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 on 5/22/12 at 1:45pm
grandma

Back on the topic of what the composition of the labor force says about our society, the New York Times recently put out this graphic breaking down the labor force by age and gender over the past 6 years.

The graphic shows that from 2006 to 2012 all demographics 65 and older are working in greater numbers while everyone 65 and younger are working in fewer numbers (except for women aged 60-64). Clearly financial repression and investment volatility has had its toll on our elder class.

But again, what does this say about our society? Are our grandparents taking our jobs?

Many questions come to mind when examining the table. I wonder what the median income for workers over 65 is and what percentage of those workers simply love their jobs and how many would rather be retired but can’t afford it.

What is clear is that the level of ‘discouraged’ workers is probably much higher than most would have guessed considering the low labor participation rate and how many baby boomers were scheduled to retire but couldn’t.

Another interesting thought is that the current generation of young professionals as a whole is probably in the worst position due to diminished professional opportunities. Will the discouraged youth ever be able to catch-up from their slow career start later?

I know that the ROI on college degrees is debatable, but if you have been laid off from your manufacturing job for over a year, what are you options? In my opinion the attack on college degrees that are not skill oriented is well founded (e.g. film studies), but surely taking on debt to earn a degree in a well-positioned field such as computer science or accounting should pay off in the long term. After all, what better choice does our unemployed youth have?

Some would say that these levels of discouragement and delayed retirement have exposed cracks in our society and capitalism broadly. And of course, inevitable entitlement reform will only exasperate the situation for the elderly and impoverished. There is a need for reform, but I doubt the reform that comes through Washington will do anything but kick the can down the road.

All this spells out is more tough times ahead for generation y and beyond. Not only are younger professionals getting shafted by today's weak economy, but they will also front the bill for this mess in 30 years via higher taxes when they will be the ones getting ready to retire. Giving up your US citizenship and jumping ship to Singapore might not be a bad idea after all.

We are not kicking a can down the road anymore. We are rolling a snowball down a mountain.

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Nefarious-'s picture

Good post, SB

CF
(Neanderthal, 2,216
 
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 on 5/22/12 at 1:35pm

Good post, SB

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RagnarDanneskjold's picture

Nice post. The Baby Boomer

HF
(King Kong, 1,031
 
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 on 5/22/12 at 2:02pm

Nice post. The Baby Boomer generation is one of my personal pet peeves. I'll try to dig up the figures, but you'd be surprised how little the Baby Boom generation on average has saved. They need entitlements to survive. Pure and simple. Despite the most economically productive 30 years in the history of the world, most Boomer's spent and spent - and have next to nothing to show for it.

Addinator's picture

http://www.usatoday.com/money

ST
 
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 on 5/22/12 at 2:08pm

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/retirement/sto...

And the strain is already starting to show up as more American actually retire. More than half of retirees, 54%, report they have less than $25,000 saved. That's up dramatically from 2006, when 42% said they had less than that.

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UFOinsider's picture

RagnarDanneskjold: The Baby

O
(Human, 10,349
 
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 on 5/22/12 at 2:53pm
RagnarDanneskjold:

The Baby Boomer generation is one of my personal pet peeves.

Agreed, I'm not a fan. This is a generation that not only had everything handed to them, not only had tons of second chances, and not only blew those...now their plan is to stick OUR generation with the bill. I'm well beyond the period of life where I openly protest any more of their poor choices (see: the entire span of 1992-2008) but would at some point like to be part of the effort to set things straight.

If people want to hit the road, I understand. I also understand why the government makes it a pain in the ass, I can't say I entirely blame them (being a citizen has its costs...) However, I'm more interested in fighting this unhealthy shift and would like to know what other people here think along those lines.

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Johnny Ringo's picture

RagnarDanneskjold: Nice post.

HF
 
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 on 5/22/12 at 2:53pm
RagnarDanneskjold:

Nice post. The Baby Boomer generation is one of my personal pet peeves. I'll try to dig up the figures, but you'd be surprised how little the Baby Boom generation on average has saved. They need entitlements to survive. Pure and simple. Despite the most economically productive 30 years in the history of the world, most Boomer's spent and spent - and have next to nothing to show for it.

Eventus stultorum magister.

Johnny Ringo's picture

RagnarDanneskjold: Nice post.

HF
 
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 on 5/22/12 at 2:53pm
RagnarDanneskjold:

Nice post. The Baby Boomer generation is one of my personal pet peeves. I'll try to dig up the figures, but you'd be surprised how little the Baby Boom generation on average has saved. They need entitlements to survive. Pure and simple. Despite the most economically productive 30 years in the history of the world, most Boomer's spent and spent - and have next to nothing to show for it.

Eventus stultorum magister.

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One question: exactly what

O
(Human, 10,349
 
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 on 5/22/12 at 3:03pm

One question: exactly what jobs are most 70 year olds going to take from the 20/30 something year olds on this board? I can't imagine Grandma working at a bank, running a restaurant or startup, or applying for a top 20 MBA. I don't see them as a threat to the plans for myself as much as a threat to the larger system in which I operate.

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anaxi's picture

UFOinsider: One question:

(Orangutan, 318
 
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 on 5/22/12 at 3:11pm
UFOinsider:

One question: exactly what jobs are most 70 year olds going to take from the 20/30 something year olds on this board? I can't imagine Grandma working at a bank, running a restaurant or startup, or applying for a top 20 MBA. I don't see them as a threat to the plans for myself as much as a threat to the larger system in which I operate.

The intention was to make the point that the economic weakness of older demographics has dragged down our economy. The current weak labor market and the fact that we will have to pay elevated taxes for our entire lives because the current national debt is in fact screwing over the current generation that is graduating college/high school.

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anaxi: UFOinsider: One

O
(Human, 10,349
 
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 on 5/22/12 at 3:15pm
anaxi:
UFOinsider:

One question: exactly what jobs are most 70 year olds going to take from the 20/30 something year olds on this board? I can't imagine Grandma working at a bank, running a restaurant or startup, or applying for a top 20 MBA. I don't see them as a threat to the plans for myself as much as a threat to the larger system in which I operate.

The intention was to make the point that the economic weakness of older demographics has dragged down our economy. The current weak labor market and the fact that we will have to pay elevated taxes for our entire lives because the current national debt is in fact screwing over the current generation that is graduating college/high school.

Agree with this general sentiment. I have no idea what the solution is.

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BTbanker's picture

Good thing my grandparents

IB
 
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 on 5/22/12 at 4:23pm

Good thing my grandparents don't know what investment banking is.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?

CO
(Baboon, 122
 
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 on 5/22/12 at 4:32pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik

Edmundo Braverman's picture

Old people suck. < / thread>

ST
(Human, 14,409
 
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 on 5/22/12 at 5:01pm

Old people suck.

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kmess024's picture

If people make it a big deal

EN
(Orangutan, 312
 
Points)
 on 5/22/12 at 10:04pm

If people make it a big deal and it has enough support, a reform can possible occur, but it needs to get media attention instead of stupid things. Going to Singapore seems like a legit solution, but instead of trying to run away from the problem it is better to try to solve it and man up.
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melvvvar's picture

the best thing for the

(King Kong, 1,693
 
Points)
 on 5/24/12 at 11:36pm

the best thing for the boomers to do is to die early so they don't sink us under the tsunami of entitlement tax/payout imbalances that they fucking created when they elected those cretins of politicians between 1966 - NOW.

melvvvar's picture

UFOinsider: One question:

(King Kong, 1,693
 
Points)
 on 5/24/12 at 11:37pm
UFOinsider:

One question: exactly what jobs are most 70 year olds going to take from the 20/30 something year olds on this board? I can't imagine Grandma working at a bank, running a restaurant or startup, or applying for a top 20 MBA. I don't see them as a threat to the plans for myself as much as a threat to the larger system in which I operate.

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Bondarb's picture

I think this is emblematic of

HF
(Neanderthal, 2,285
 
Points)
 on 5/28/12 at 7:27pm

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