Already have a lot of money...should i really go into banking?

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At risk of sounding totally entitled and arrogant, I'm just gonna ask it the way it is...

I'm 20 and have have inherited enough money that I probably have a higher net worth than most MD's I would potentially be working for. I'm ambitious, and motivated by career success and achievements, but not so much about a 100K salary out of school that could turn into millions over the long run if I sacrifice the rest of my life. I don't really need anymore money to support myself and my lifestyle.

I've been interviewing at some banks and honestly it sounds like a pretty shitty life, that people would only agree to for the promise of what might come after. But I'm not really sure it's worth it. Junior monkey's out there, if you didn't need or care about the money, would you still be in banking?

 

"I've been interviewing at some banks and honestly it sounds like a pretty shitty life, that people would only agree to for the promise of what might come after. But I'm not really sure it's worth it. Junior monkey's out there, if you didn't need or care about the money, would you still be in banking?" Not arrogant

"At risk of sounding totally entitled and arrogant, I'm just gonna ask it the way it is...

I'm 20 and have have inherited enough money that I probably have a higher net worth than most MD's I would potentially be working for. I'm ambitious, and motivated by career success and achievements, but not so much about a 100K salary out of school that could turn into millions over the long run if I sacrifice the rest of my life. I don't really need anymore money to support myself and my lifestyle." Entitled and arrogant. In case you were wondering.

But what better place for it than WSO.

 
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I would NEVER choose to go to into banking with 10 million in the bank. A 6% annual return on 8 million will make you twice as much as an analyst at a BB. There are so many things to do in the world, and people spend years in banking trying to get enough money to have some of those experiences. There's no reason for you to go through all of that trouble.

If you are career driven and motivated you wouldn't even consider living on that and not working hard. I have a very good friend who I've known most of my life who's family business is worth $150mm. And even if they shut the doors today he'd be worth at least 5 times what you are worth.

He doesn't want the family business and went to Yale Law School and is in Big Law. Does he have a nicer apartment than the kids he works with? Ya. Nicer car? Ya.

Also. You'd be shocked how many kids in banking come from SIGNIFICANT family money and don't have to work

 
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If you are career driven and motivated you wouldn't even consider living on that and not working hard. I have a very good friend who I've known most of my life who's family business is worth $150mm. And even if they shut the doors today he'd be worth at least 5 times what you are worth.

He doesn't want the family business and went to Yale Law School and is in Big Law. Does he have a nicer apartment than the kids he works with? Ya. Nicer car? Ya.

Also. You'd be shocked how many kids in banking come from SIGNIFICANT family money and don't have to work

That's a good point. I would definitely say that while my post makes me sound like a lazy free-loader, i actually have no interest in not working hard. It's merely a question of what I want to work hard on. NGO work vs. getting eating shit from associates who eat shit from VP's who eat shit from MD's, etc... That's what I'm struggling with here
 

If you are driven and motivated, you should enter into entrepreneurship rather than slave away at a banking job. With 10 million in the bank, you won't have to live with constant financial worries, and you have a wider range of possibilities as far as what kind of business you can start.

What I'm not understanding is what exactly your goal would be going into banking with that much money. Banking is for people who want the opportunity to get rich and/or achieve something very meaningful in life while following a straight, narrowly defined path that comes with little risk. It is the way that you can live your life "within the system": get good grades, go to a target or semi-target, and get into IB. Anyone with average intelligence and some drive is capable of doing this. If, however, you already have a significant amount of money, following this narrowly defined path would not only be inefficient, but would be a downright waste of the fortune that you have been (luckily) bequeathed. What's the point of working 80+ hour work weeks? What exactly would you be working for? More money? Investing the money you have would result in you making more with less effort and in less time. Advancing your professional life? Why would you put your professional life in the hands of powers that be when you can instead have a greater control of your destiny and potentially advance your career much faster than you could through banking. Experience? You are better served starting your own business, as you will gain much more valuable experience than you would through banking (not discounting the fact that banking is also an excellent way to gain experience.) To me, it's just strange that you would want to run on treadmill with a bunch of other people who are trying to achieve what you already have.

Look, to me the choice is simple. If entrepreneurship isn't your thing, or you don't have the appetite for the risk, or you think you're too inexperienced, than go into banking. There is no professional field that offers more opportunities than banking. If, however, you want the chance to achieve something truly great, something that is memorable and you can feel proud of, go into entrepreneurship.

 

Banking isn't for everyone, plenty of other prestigious jobs that aren't banking. Might sound weird, but have you considered becoming a teacher? Respected job, you'd make a shit salary but you have 10m, and its one of the few jobs that you can say you do not for the money.

 

What kind of impact do you want to make on society ? In 5 years, 10 years, 25 years? It's all a matter of perspective. Don't think abut the money...just envision yourself in the future and strive to make what you dream happen. Money should not be the incentive to pursue any career. You need to be incentivized by a passion for what your doing or else you'll end up unhappy. I think ArcherVice posted the best piece of advice, take a gap year, travel and figure it out.

Keep it together and you will go far..
 
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You're in a really fortunate position.

I would pursue something that allows you to build (more) wealth. Wealth isn't generated by wages, it's generated by ownership. Find something relevant to a passion or deep interest of yours and either buy or build a business around it.

I didn't read your post as entitled, it's pretty matter of fact: you have way more money than just about anyone else your age, and thus the value proposition of banking (be treated like dogshit for two years in exchange for high income relative to your peers plus the relevant profile that gets you attention for another competitive job with high income and dogshit quality of life) has no allure.

I heartily recommend that you take a year or two as a 'gap' year to explore your interests and the world. Find mentors, travel, and learn what things make you happy and what don't.

Put your money in the hands of a professional manager who's going to get you 6-8% annual return. Live off the interest; it still gives you an income higher than a banking analyst, BigLaw associate, or PE associate is going to be making their first few years. Leverage that freedom to attend conferences, thought group events, music and art festivals (you'd be surprised how many business relationships or deals get done at Coachella, Art Basel, Frieze, Davos, etc., and the social calendar surrounding them).

As you develop a sense of how your characteristics and interests mesh into various professional endeavors, either be an entrepreneur and build your own business or be a buyer, take over someone else's business, and run it yourself or stick a professional manager in there to run it and enjoy the equity appreciation.

Some specific suggestions:

Travel and explore the world for two years. If you're still in school, crush it. Delay graduation by dropping to two or three classes a semester. This gives you more free time to explore, more bandwidth to guarantee a perfect GPA, and you spend more time on campus during your one and only shot at undergrad. If your profile is competitive enough, shoot for one of the awesome programs like the Rhodes, Fulbright, Marshall, or Gates Cambridge. If you get in, you're surrounded by smart, hardworking, fantastically interesting people who will be of so much value to you in the future. You also get a solid credential. You also get fantastic academic exposure to whatever niche interest you choose to focus on. You also grow as a person by being immersed in another nation and culture.

Make friends with VC associates. This sounds strange, but you could have a ton of fun, learn a lot of awesome things, and make a lot of money by co-investing with top funds. I suggest this with the ultimate goal of either joining a great fund or after 6-8 years with a track record, setting up your own. If your capital base was larger, I'd suggest the same with PE (either growth or buyout), but it isn't, so your sweet spot is $50-250k checks in early stage rounds.

How do you make friends with them? Go to the same schools, attend the same events, and know the same people. Hence my advice about staying in school longer (there are innumerable resources for student entrepreneurship and high-profile things you can get involved with as an undergrad that put you on a fast-track for VC), getting elite academic credentials, and attending amazing events.

Things like the Dorm Room Fund, Rough Draft Ventures, or KPCB Edge are all student-run micro-seed funds. There are now dozens of university-affiliated hackathons that any student can go to. The Thiel Fellowship exists.

There are all kinds of conferences for any subsector in tech. TechCrunch Disrupt is agnostic. So is Southby (SXSW). Finovate is for fintech. NMX, IRCE, Dreamforce, PubCon, WSJ.D, SF Musictech Summit, World Business Forum, and dozens more are worth mentioning as well.

With no constraints on your time or financial hurdle to getting around the world, you can throw yourself wholeheartedly into whatever captures your attention. Develop specific knowledge, build relationships around that knowledge, and then deploy your capital based on that network and knowledge. This means you'll have dealflow of your own, and that's currency.

You can horde it (although that's a way to guarantee no one ever includes you in anything) or share it; as you develop a name for yourself, people will ask for your insight on things they're looking at (which means you now see more deals too). If you're helpful and value-additive to the founder, you can often plug a check of your own in.

Do this for several years and have some winners, and you have a very marketable story to set up your own fund. No boss, no constraints, and only as much structure as you choose to create. If you're more risk-averse or someone who doesn't want to deal with the infrastructure and logistical issues of creating your own firm from scratch, it's an equally marketable story to join a fund at a senior level (Principal on a partner track or directly as a Partner).

Maybe everything I just shared isn't your cup of tea. Cool. I'm trying to illustrate a methodology that can be helpful to maximize your utilization of scarce resources (e.g. time in undergrad), identify your abilities and interests, and have a framework for how to pursue how those two converge.

Want to run a business? You have enough capital to set up a search fund and get MBAs or proven executives to be the leadership for whatever target you select. You can also show up and ask to be let into someone else's search fund (hey, look at your money).

Want to do real estate? You have enough money to get involved in single-family, multi-family, or commercial in just about any 'tier two' (or lower) geographical market.

Want to be an allocator? You can see what funds (any asset class) will let you in.

You can do just about anything. I'd spend time figuring out how your financial resources can help you take shortcuts. Banking (for most people) is a means to an end. You don't need that means, so I wouldn't consider it in a million years.

(Side note: this dictation shit is awesome, I tried it a couple years ago and it was terrible, now it's so improved and really frees up so much of your time.)

I am permanently behind on PMs, it's not personal.
 

this depends on so many factors: locale, lifestyle needs, future family, etc.

first question: is this money tied up in credit shelter/spendthrift/some other kind of trust? Or, do you have unfettered access to it (as in $10mm deposited into a brokerage/bank account in your name).

if it's the latter, keep reading. if the former, get educated on the terms of your money, you don't "have" $10mm in the way you may think you do.

second question: is it all in liquid investments/cash? or, is it partially in real estate, land, private company equity, or something else that can't be sold and settled in T+3?

if it's the former, keep reading. if the latter, read some of heister's posts. I have clients who have land and other non-liquid investments, but it's not a focus of my practice so I'm not as well versed there.

$10mm is a life changing amount of wealth, don't listen to any of the preftige whores who think that it's peanuts, they're probably broke. there are plenty of MDs out there who don't have $10mm in the bank, because they buy multiple houses, get divorced and see half of it leave, put too much in their company stock only to see it crash (ahem, Citigroup), and so on, I've seen it happen.

anyway, here's my advice:

get a good advisor, preferably someone who has worked with entrepreneurs, trust fund kids, and/or athletes/entertainers, and pick someone maybe outside of your immediate area, you do not want to be this person's first $10mm client or $10mm inheritor. a lot of those people (athletes et al) get wealthy very early in life and have to spend their entire existence getting approached by people who would like some of their money, and it's important to work with someone who's good not only at investments, but at preparing you mentally and emotionally for that reality. if you're lucky and no one knows about your money, keep it a secret, you'll find out who your real friends are.

practice saying "no." people will come at you with all sorts of investment ideas, vacation suggestions, charity cases (hey man I'm having a real rough time financially, can you help me out? I promise I'll pay you back), etc., I'm not saying be a tightwad and don't have fun or give back, but do not be like wiz khalifa "if I ball, then we all ball" or something like that. have anyone who approaches you with an investment idea have to go through your financial advisor (even if it's family), that will stop a lot of them. that's how many lottery winners, athletes, and entertainers go bankrupt, because they invest poorly and give too much of the money away.

until you graduate, try to crush it at academics and at the opposite sex (or same sex if that's your preference). you don't have to worry about internships as much nor jobs as much, so just try to learn as much as possible, you'll be glad you did it later. maybe pick up an extra minor or major, stay an extra year or two, you only get to do college once.

get a job, but get one where your passion lies (so probably not banking). sure, you could live off of interest and dividends forever, but do you really want to do nothing for the next 60-80 years? are you into SCUBA? become an instructor, move to Miami, Belize, etc. and do that. you can still make money and let your inheritance grow. are you into golf? master the game, become a PGA professional, work at a country club. what do you want to do that also can get you paid (even if it's not a lot)? I would try to work in that industry. I don't get the sense you're considering doing "nothing," but if you are, just don't.

once you have a job, figure out how much money you need from your portfolio and stick to that budget. your advisor can help you with that, but I'm betting they would advise against buying a nice apartment in NYC or big house in the suburbs, live only a little bit better than your contemporaries, excessive spending can completely drain that $10mm in a hurry.

finally, and this may be most important. if the money is given to you outright, seek legal counsel so that it can be protected from a divorce from any future spouses you may have. the time to title your assets properly is before marriage even happens, not during divorce proceedings.

in short: watch your spending, get good financial/legal advice, get a job.

feel free to reply with questions.

 

I know a good handful of kids in your position and, due to their privileged upbringing, very very few understand the importance of principle. I'd be more concerned with how to live a fulfilling life while having everything handed to me.

I don't understand why you would want to do banking anyways as it's such a demanding lifestyle. While it's possible to like banking type of work, I think anyone who says they enjoy working 80 hours a week is full of shit. I'm doing banking to hopefully make a radical change in my circumstances and give my family financial security. It's something I'm willing to throw away several years of my life for because otherwise that wouldn't be possible for me - a means to an end. Would I do it otherwise? Not a chance, I'd probably be a personal trainer or coach baseball or football for kids that had a similar childhood to mine.

To give you some perspective, which few people have in your position, I'm dedicating a good portion of my life to something that was simply bequeathed to you. You have more money than 99.999% of people in this world will ever see in their lifetime. Over 99% more than any person in the US. You could double the income of an average household in India for almost 100 families for 10 years and still have $5,000,000 left. You have a lot of money.

Go do something you enjoy, just don't sit on your ass or be selfish.

 

Lots of good stuff above. Don't do IB unless you really want to do the PE/HF route. It sounds like you're not very interested in IB for IB's sake and you'll just end up quitting after a few months.

Otherwise, figure out what you want to do. As others have stated you have the unique ability to not have to decide and lock a job down by your senior year so you can travel, extend your studies, etc. Figure out if you want to do something like an NGO or diplomatic type of jobs and determine how to get those jobs. Would you want to continue down a PhD route and be a professor? One of the thing that sucks most about being a prof is the pay until you're tenured but you don't have to worry about that. Do you have a passion for music or art? Get a job in those industries, and once again you have the ability to not have to make money at first so you can accept shit pay or even offer yourself up for free just to learn the business.

If you think you want to own your own business someday by buying something (rather than starting something up) get a job in the industry and learn about it. If you plan on operating a business yourself and not just invest in it I wouldn't recommend buying something right out of college so get the job to make sure you actually like the industry and learn how it works. For example, if you've always wanted to own a restaurant or bar, get a job managing one first and figure out if you like it and learn how to run one. Same with any industry-get a job in the widget industry before you buy a widget company. Getting to know how to operate in that industry is an obvious advantage but you want to make sure that you're not romanticizing owning that type of business when in reality you hate it.

 

Unlike the other monkeys on this site, I don't think anything about your post smells of immaturity. You're asking the right questions, keep doing that. If after taking some time to think about your options, you're still unsure, I would suggest the following: Consider what skills and attributes you would like to embody, and pursue an occupation that will help you gain those skills and attributes. E.g., if you want to launch a start-up, go get a job in a field related to the kind of start-up you'd like to launch. My most natural question would be, who passed this wealth unto you, and can you/do you want to join them in what they do?

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I'll just speak from my own experience. If it were to happen now, I would stay in banking because I'm just a damn deal junkie to be completely honest. I might quit and start my own shop after I make VP, but in general I actually like doing what I do. If I had never been exposed to it I might have chosen a different route. If you think you might be the same it wouldn't hurt you to go try it for a year, but there are a hundred other things you might like that will be more fulfilling for you. You are in a fortunate position where you really only have to ask one question. What makes you happy? Search for that thing, find that thing, do that thing. Pretty simple for you. Congrats.

 

I agree with this. Why not just give it a shot and see if it's something that interests you? Do an SA stint and if you hate it then just move on and continue to search for something fulfilling. Worst case scenario, you get crushed for a couple of months, but meet some interesting people and eliminate one of your options.

If I had $10mm, I think I'd still continue on the path I'm on now, though maybe without the same amount of effort. Even though it's stressful, I actually enjoy the work that I do and my hours aren't too bad. Then again, I don't have $10mm so who knows how I'd really feel...

 

You have the financial freedom to find what you love in life and do it. Pursue your passion.

Our greatest asset in life is time and given your financial circumstances you don't need to trade your time for money which is great.

I think most people's goal in life is to get to a point where they don't need to trade any of their time for money and can get their money working for them.

Become an expert within your passion then turn it into a business by providing services to others.

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Insert money into X vehicle which can earn you 5-7% annually, and live off of $500,000-700,000. If you're not interested in living a lavish lifestyle (and even if you are), this should absolutely do the trick to cover costs of living.

Thereafter, determine what it is you enjoy doing in this life, if you haven't already found out during 22 years on Earth. Pursue this for as long as you want &/or until you get bored. The greatest obstacle that prevents most people from pursuing true passions is financial unviability / financial constraints of said lifestyle. That will not be an issue for you.

 

Look, kid, you're rich. That's great. Don't feel bad or ashamed about it. If banking is not something that attracts you, fuck banking. Go out there and find something that attracts you. You can afford time and not having to rush into anything, so enjoy that.

 

All these wso-jerk-off kids who don't even have jobs are mocking you. If you're not intrigued by IB don't even bother. I hate to say it, but this website has so many college kids brainwashed into thinking that IB > PE > HBS is the only way to success and fortune. If you can see beyond all that, more power to you.

If I had the money, I'd do my own start-up, perhaps do some angel investing.

Travel the world a bit, it'll provide you with three amazing perks 1.) You'll experience life 2.) Perhaps while traveling, you'll stumble across something you'll love and are truly passionate about. 3.) Girls abroad are better than girls in the U.S. (especially South Americans)

 

If I were in your position, I would probably defer my actual career start for a few years to get better and more varied life experiences (right now I'm trying to accelerate as fast as possible so I can obtain the wealth that you do). After I find something interesting, I would take a significant amount of career risk that would pay off strongly if I succeeded, and wouldn't have any downside otherwise due to the nest egg you've built up.

 

Lots of good advice here. From my perspective I would say re evaluate what you want to do in life. You can stay and school and align your education to pursue whatever you want in life, without having to worry about your career salary. This truely frees you to pursue your passion. May it be a STEM career, teaching, non profit work, government. If you want to be in business you could always go back to school and get an MBA. You're still young enough that changing your degree won't be a problem. Take time and really think about what will satisfy you emotionally, spiritually, intellectually.

 

Go explore what you're passionate about, try to make an impact whatever you do, and if after a few years you decide that doesn't work out you can go for an MBA and explore your options from there - finance will still be there waiting.

If you have no idea where to start, consulting can offer a good amount of exposure to skills and various industries to explore. Or, if you have the interest, maybe focus in real estate. Working for a developer can offer a balanced lifestyle, and once you have some experience you can pretty easily use your existing capital to create revenue generating assets. If you start in your mid or late twenties, hold out for the sure calls, by the time your 40 that 10m will have served you very well.

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Totally understand why you are asking for advice. At 20 years old it is really hard to decide what you want to do with your life. I changed my major about 5 times by the time I turned 20: communications to finance to accounting to statistics and quant modeling then transferred out of the business school to be econ and math major. Then woke up one day and realized I should have been a finance major all along, or at least get an internship in ibd (I am not a quant at all, even though I did a ton of programming for math and stats). Besides school, there were real estate opportunities and stocks.... You just have to picture what you REALLY see yourself doing 10 years from now, and not what OTHER PEOPLE see you doing. Another advice: taking a year off always helps to figure out what you want without distractions (that's what I did). But then again, it does not answer all the questions. Also, talking to people in the industry or outside helps.

It ain't what you know, it's who you know
 

Why don't you go into non-profit management, or something along those lines? Maybe start your own. You don't need the money, so it seems like you can jump straight into tackling causes you care about. Maybe do that on the side?

 

First of all, its easy to think when you're in college, but you have no idea what sort of lifestyle you want to lead when you're in your 30s. $10mm is a lot of money but for a lot of lifestyles, its not nearly enough to stop working. Its just a decent apt in Manhattan and a nice but not on the beach house in the Hamptons. If you don't like banking, you shouldn't do it, as there are plenty of ways to make money. But its not nearly enough to not consider making money going forward. And most mid40s MDs are worth more than 10.

 

Do whatever you are passionate about.

Some people are lucky to be passionate about something that pays really well, others are less lucky and need jobs they might not be passionate as their passions are not well paid. You are in the lucky position where you can solely focus on what you are passionate irregardless of how well it pays, so dont waste it.

 

as a guy who come from a much more affluent family background than how muvh you inherited,

  1. i could literally not work a day in my life nor have to even get returns on family money to live extravagantly but im still in a 80~100hour week consulting job abroad because it INTERESTS me.

  2. if you think eatig shit from md vp asso etc. let alone clients is not worth your time or energy (no offence toyally understand), do not do banking, consulting etc. non-profit or start ups are legit and possibly much more fulfilling and self gratifying than any of the aforementioned careers

  3. all in all, figure some shit ouy abt what you want to do with your life. do you simply seek prestige and vanityin finance? do you sincerely enjoy finance? do you want to make impact but jave no clue wtf to do? ur career choice is not for others to answer but for you to figure shit out

hello.
 

You should do whatever you want to do. Take some time off, go out and have fun.

I personally wouldn't worry so much about startups and the like, but rather just finding things you enjoy doing or learning about.

I'd say this to almost anyone - regardless of if they had 10 mm or not. There's a few things like acting or writing that I'd steer someone without financial stability away from, but that's about it.

Money really doesnt buy happiness. The freedom to do what you want does

 

"Money really doesnt buy happiness. The freedom to do what you want does"

This times a thousand.

If you like banking then go for it. If not, go live life. Don't go into banking to test it out - it's not worth it for someone in your position.

It seems like you're smart enough to not be a bum in 10 years, i.e it doesn't seem like your gonna spend it all on hookers and blow.

You'll be far more successful doing something you love. Take it from someone who's counting down the days of the analyst grind.

 

no matter the field you choose to enter, you will encounter challenges and hardships. if you intend to pursue meaningful success, you will have periods of discomfort. as they say, shit flows down hill. if you can't see yourself being able to appreciate the process of learning through experience and taking directions before giving them, become an entrepreneur and deal with the bullshit of being the boss.

 

With around 10MM in the bank, I would definitely start getting in on the tech scene in Silicon Valley or at least out West. Even just off a 6% interest you would be making enough money to not only live very comfortably but also maybe angel invest in some up and coming start ups.

To be candid I would try to leverage your connections and net worth to land a spot (even if its unpaid) at a VC firm doing associate/analyst work (like at a mini-fund VC) and learn the ropes while living off the interest and then pairing with some ex-founders who have the know how but not the cash to create a mini fund yourself.

If it were me though, I would like the Dan Blizerian life to the max. Workout like 3-4 hours a day, live in a nice penthouse apartment in a cheaper but nice city (think Dallas) and just slay all day and night, while doing some business ventures on the side.

"It is better to have a friendship based on business, than a business based on friendship." - Rockefeller. "Live fast, die hard. Leave a good looking body." - Navy SEAL
 

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  • 1st Year Analyst (205) $159
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