CFA Time management

Guys I know that this topic is one of the most repetitive here:)
But I really want to ask monkey's who have passed CFA lvl 1,
How did you manage to prepare for it, if you had full time job+ "life"+gym?

Is it all manageable, if I take the exam in June 2013?

Cheeers

 

I'm taking it in December. I'm really having a hard time getting a plan together. I planned to do a couple hours per night but once I get home I'm so dead it's hard to stare at a book. I think I'm just going to have to go extra hard on weekends.

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Knowledge Kick:
I'm taking it in December. I'm really having a hard time getting a plan together. I planned to do a couple hours per night but once I get home I'm so dead it's hard to stare at a book. I think I'm just going to have to go extra hard on weekends.

Try harder. Tough love, but it isn't meant to be easy.

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CFA is a big test of discipline. Its good to write a weekly schedule down and 'punish' yourself for not following it. Forexample if I had an event on sat night, but I didn't complete my scheduled hours, I would not go out and make up the hours sunday.

Switching your study surroundings also helped. I studied at work, at home, at my schools library, at my business school's building (both study rooms and classrooms), and at another library. It kept me from getting bored.

Finally I would start by studying with your strong, but small sections of the CFA. Here's the breakdrown of the topics for level I-III:

http://www.cfainstitute.org/cfaprogram/Documents/the_cfa_program_our_fi…

So for example, if you're really good with corporate finance (which has 8% weighting on the exam), start with that. Always leave the big sections for last.

If you have any questions about CFA, PM me. I cleared I and II in my first try using only CFAI materials and Schweser mock exams.

 

Truthfully? Sack up and invest the time in it.

The CFA passage rate is a function of two things: the amount of time invested and the quality of the time invested.

When I passed level 1, I had a full time job, a fiance, and a reasonable social schedule.

Average week (168 hours in total). - 60 hours work in office - 10 hours work at home - 50-55 hours a week for sleep - 5-10 hours a week in gym - 15 hours of studying a week. - 5 hours commuting - ~20 hours a week for everything else (cooking, cleaning, errands, social time, etc.)

On weekdays: 12 hours of work a day 1 hour commuting 8 hours of sleep 1 hour of study each evening. roughly 1 hour at the gym (often with a study book) 1 hour for relaxing.

On weekends: 5 hours of work a day 5 hours of study 8 hours of sleep 1-2 hours at the gym 4 hours for relaxing

I think I started studying roughly 8 months prior to my exam and basically took the week prior off before heading in. But that meant building in buffer room for vacations, committing to a ton of reading, doing repeated problem sets and basically getting so comfortable with the material that you could do it in your sleep (as it happens I pulled a work related all nighter the day before and did go in and nearly had to do it in my sleep).

Get comfortable with the idea that you will miss things. You will be the guy who drags his books to road trips and parties and works during vacations. If you care too much about those other things, don't bother taking it. You'll be much happier if you don't give yourself the added stress.

But if you spend 300 solid study hours on it, you will most likely pass. You just can't bullshit around too much with it.

 

Passed L1 first time in June. Simple answer is 11 hours a week and start early.

I would find it nigh on impossible to study 20-25 hours a week whilst working but I know many people try and compress things and go this route. To me its foolish as anything can come up and your screwed...if you start in March or whatever (for June exam) and you have a few weeks where things come up and you miss your 20 hours it could seriously damage you...If you start in November and consistently put in 11 even if you have a few weeks where you only squeeze in 6 hours (always doable) you'll still be in ok shape.

I was lucky in a way in that Im working 40 hours a week so the way I did it was 1 hour a day at lunch and three hours after work two days a week. No weekends.

The trick to doing it after work is to not go home first...do it in the office as soon as you finish (preferably not at your desk / on another floor). I had my little set up on 7th floor and as soon as I finished at 6 I would grab my books and a coffee and head up and get cracking.

I realise most people are not working a 9 to 6 job but I think there is always time to fit in 11 hours. If I was working 60 hours a week I would prob come in early and do 1-2 hours before work every day and then 3 hours on Sat and Sunday...def not an easy task when your working big hours and I have big respect for anybody that does it.

 

I passed level 1 and 2 using the following strategy:

1) Start in January right after Christmas....its better to over prepare and pass then have to resit a year later.

2) Aim to finish the entire course by April, this gives you May to review everything and do loads of questions and past papers. I cannot stress this enough, you need a solid month to get your exam timing down and get comfortable reviewing your weak spots.

3) Get into work 1 hour earlier and do 1 hour of study in the morning. Try to avoid sitting at your desk as the temptation will be to surf on the net for that hour, go to a quiet room if possible.

4) STAY FIT....go to the gym and keep active. After work I would always go to the gym to relax before sitting down to do my evening study session.

5) EAT WELL....don't gorge on McDonald's every night, try to eat well and drink plenty of water throughout.

6) Do 1/2 hours in the evening, ideally 2 45 minute sessions in the evening. This will give you 3 hours per day and will reduce the number of hours you have to do on the weekend.

7) Don't kill your social life completely. I always took Friday evenings off and went out. I think you should have 1 day in the week where you relax.

Good luck guys/gals!

 

The above posts sum it up pretty well but I'll add a few other things.

  1. Study at a place outside your apartment and try not to go home until you are done. This may seem strange but I struggled with focusing in my apartment even if I was there alone. Far too many distractions. I would go too a quiet section of a hotel lobby with a Starbucks but a library works as well. It's also a lot harder to motivate yourself to study once you get back to your apartment from work. Head straight to a study area and work for a couple hours, you will save time too.

  2. Have a loose schedule. Set targets for finishing the material but don't force yourself to do a certain amount of material each day. Another strange one, but in the beginning I forced myself to study every night, even if I worked late or was dead tired. You'll eventually learn that you aren't effective this way and won't retain the information. Take a night off every once in a while and do an extra hour or two another night when your brain is sharp.

These may be strictly based on my personality but they were helpful for me. I second the Friday night thing as well. Either went out and enjoyed myself or got some extra rest. You will burn out after a couple of months if you don't have any social life.

 

Use QBank and a practice test at first to find your strengths/weaknesses first. Then work on your weaknesses so you don't waste time. It also helps if you can pick up some of the material from simply doing the questions.

Take a day occasionally; don't burn out.

 

I passed L1 this past June. As mentioned above, I would strongly recommend studying in the morning. I used to get in the office an hour or two before work and go through material. I studied in a different cube or empty conference room away from my work desk which helped me focus. After work I would hit the gym, grab some dinner, and then go back to my study space to practice problems for another hour or so (depending on how tired I was). IMO, It's harder to concentrate in the evenings so it made more sense to crank problems at night instead of trying to understand/read dense material. Try to take practice exams as early as possible. Also, take a day off once in awhile to keep you sane. Best of luck to you.

 

15 hours/week for roughly 5 months, and of course full time study during the last week before the exam.

Lvl 1 is the easiest, I passed it without touching one page of the textbooks. The most challenging one is Lvl 2, and Lvl 3 is all about BS and not going crazy with ambiguity.

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I just passed level 2. My biggest tip for both levels 1 and 2 is to get through the entire curriculum as early as possible. For level 1, I started studying in September, very nearly passed it in December, but then nailed it in June. For level 2, I started studying it properly in October last year and finished the curriculum in early or mid-April.

If you are like me, there will be a few topics which you don't enjoy and which are consistently causing problems. After you get through the curriculum for the first time and start taking mock exams, you will see which topics you can't handle without the help of the books or your notes. Those areas then deserve special attention and should get a disproportionately large amount of your time until exam day.

It's a huge commitment. You will probably not have much of a social life. I had more than one girlfriend break up with me over it. But I needed level 1 to have a chance of getting my current job, and attempting level 2 was a condition of accepting. If your employer is on board it makes a huge difference. But even if your employer helps, you are still going to feel like you aren't really living for a while.

 
makeitreal:
I just passed level 2. My biggest tip for both levels 1 and 2 is to get through the entire curriculum as early as possible. For level 1, I started studying in September, very nearly passed it in December, but then nailed it in June. For level 2, I started studying it properly in October last year and finished the curriculum in early or mid-April.

If you are like me, there will be a few topics which you don't enjoy and which are consistently causing problems. After you get through the curriculum for the first time and start taking mock exams, you will see which topics you can't handle without the help of the books or your notes. Those areas then deserve special attention and should get a disproportionately large amount of your time until exam day.

It's a huge commitment. You will probably not have much of a social life. I had more than one girlfriend break up with me over it. But I needed level 1 to have a chance of getting my current job, and attempting level 2 was a condition of accepting. If your employer is on board it makes a huge difference. But even if your employer helps, you are still going to feel like you aren't really living for a while.

Sounds miserable. Sorry for the break up. But I actually don't recommend starting as early as possible, unless you review/reinforce knowledge on a rolling basis. Say if you are in Study Session 10 now, don't just keep going, find sometimes to review Study Session 1 which you studied 2 months ago. And when you are in Study Session 11, review Study Session 2, etc.

I think the most important thing, rather than starting early, is to make sure you practice and understand questions on samples, mocks and textbooks. Good luck with Lvl 3, it's the trickiest one. My colleague spent almost 9 months studying for it but still failed. Hopefully I will hear good news next week.

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makeitreal:
I just passed level 2. My biggest tip for both levels 1 and 2 is to get through the entire curriculum as early as possible. For level 1, I started studying in September, very nearly passed it in December, but then nailed it in June. For level 2, I started studying it properly in October last year and finished the curriculum in early or mid-April.

If you are like me, there will be a few topics which you don't enjoy and which are consistently causing problems. After you get through the curriculum for the first time and start taking mock exams, you will see which topics you can't handle without the help of the books or your notes. Those areas then deserve special attention and should get a disproportionately large amount of your time until exam day.

It's a huge commitment. You will probably not have much of a social life. I had more than one girlfriend break up with me over it. But I needed level 1 to have a chance of getting my current job, and attempting level 2 was a condition of accepting. If your employer is on board it makes a huge difference. But even if your employer helps, you are still going to feel like you aren't really living for a while.

I have a strong feeling those girls didn't deserve a good hardworking young man like you.

Thanks for the tips - few questions if I may, sitting for Level I in December.

Did you strictly use CFAI materials, or did you use something like Schweser? My plan has basically been to use Schweser to get a full overall base, then use CFAI to bulk up understanding on weaker/high test focus areas. Also I plan only to use CFAI practice questions/exams as I hear Schweser are too easy, wondering if that is a good strategy and what other materials you'd suggest for accurate difficulty practice questions.

My study plan basically works out to target an avg of 4 hrs per day for 85 days. Jobless at the moment while waiting for my visa issues to clear so time's not a huge issue. Curious what your thoughts are on total hours and marginal benefit there once you pass say 250?

Last, is there a good default answer (A, B, C) if you have no clue? I.e. since there appears to be systematic ordering (lowest to highest for numbers, shortest to longest for verbal responses) has there empirically been a most common correct response?

Thanks in advance

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makeitreal:
I just passed level 2. My biggest tip for both levels 1 and 2 is to get through the entire curriculum as early as possible. For level 1, I started studying in September, very nearly passed it in December, but then nailed it in June. For level 2, I started studying it properly in October last year and finished the curriculum in early or mid-April.

If you are like me, there will be a few topics which you don't enjoy and which are consistently causing problems. After you get through the curriculum for the first time and start taking mock exams, you will see which topics you can't handle without the help of the books or your notes. Those areas then deserve special attention and should get a disproportionately large amount of your time until exam day.

It's a huge commitment. You will probably not have much of a social life. I had more than one girlfriend break up with me over it. But I needed level 1 to have a chance of getting my current job, and attempting level 2 was a condition of accepting. If your employer is on board it makes a huge difference. But even if your employer helps, you are still going to feel like you aren't really living for a while.

I have a strong feeling those girls didn't deserve a good hardworking young man like you.

Thanks for the tips - few questions if I may, sitting for Level I in December.

Did you strictly use CFAI materials, or did you use something like Schweser? My plan has basically been to use Schweser to get a full overall base, then use CFAI to bulk up understanding on weaker/high test focus areas. Also I plan only to use CFAI practice questions/exams as I hear Schweser are too easy, wondering if that is a good strategy and what other materials you'd suggest for accurate difficulty practice questions.

My study plan basically works out to target an avg of 4 hrs per day for 85 days. Jobless at the moment while waiting for my visa issues to clear so time's not a huge issue. Curious what your thoughts are on total hours and marginal benefit there once you pass say 250?

Last, is there a good default answer (A, B, C) if you have no clue? I.e. since there appears to be systematic ordering (lowest to highest for numbers, shortest to longest for verbal responses) has there empirically been a most common correct response?

Thanks in advance

I think you are on the right track. I would use Schweser for all the material review - the CFAI books are just wordier versions of the Schweser study guides. The videos are alright as well, but don't go as in depth as the books. If you have time, the CFAI EOC questions are really useful, and I would suggest taking a stab at those (especially ethics). Try to get your hands on past CFAI mock exams, as those are the most representative of the real thing. The Schweser exams are decent, but the style is a bit different. I think you find that the difficulty of the Schweser exams is actually pretty close to in line with the real thing.

There is no good default answer on the exam. The CFA exams are the most well written standardized tests I have ever taken. It is difficult to even eliminate answers. For all of the obvious mistakes on a given question, that answer will appear in the MC options. The more you practice and familiarize yourself with the questions, the better you'll be come test day.

In terms of hours, there is no set amount that anyone can give you. If you have no background in accounting your study time will need to be significantly higher than someone who just finished undergrad business school with a few accounting classes. My advice - study hard but don't burn yourself out. By the end you should be taking practice exams and maybe brushing up on some topics here and there. You won't know everything come exam day. Remember you only need a 70 to pass.

Happy to answer more questions here or via PM.

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Series7examtutor:
I am a CFA charterholder and passed each exam on the first try. Here is what I did for a study plan. I bought the text books as well as notes from more than one company. I studied almost double the recommended 250 hours for each level. I may have studied a little less for level III. I was working full time while doing all of this. I stayed at a hotel the night before each exam. I also exercised regularly. At the time, I was married without kids. Of course, I sacrificed many social plans. I may have over studied but I did not want to risk not passing.

You definitely overstudied, unless you had zero financial background. Buying more than one study program is a huge waste of time. I'm pretty sure Schweser is really the only viable option at this point.

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duffmt6:
Series7examtutor:
I am a CFA charterholder and passed each exam on the first try. Here is what I did for a study plan. I bought the text books as well as notes from more than one company. I studied almost double the recommended 250 hours for each level. I may have studied a little less for level III. I was working full time while doing all of this. I stayed at a hotel the night before each exam. I also exercised regularly. At the time, I was married without kids. Of course, I sacrificed many social plans. I may have over studied but I did not want to risk not passing.

You definitely overstudied, unless you had zero financial background. Buying more than one study program is a huge waste of time. I'm pretty sure Schweser is really the only viable option at this point.

Totally agree. 500 hours for CFA Level 1?!? If you can't nail this test in 200 hours or less you should probably think about whether you will succeed in a high pressure job competing against a bunch of really smart people.

 

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