I naturally look like I'm pissed off all the time...

So I'm pretty sure that I'm one of those people that looks pissed off all the time. I notice when I'm sitting in the bus, or anywhere really, sometimes people will look at me like they're gonna say something, open their mouth, then right when I make eye contact with them, they close their mouth and look away immediately... kinda funny sometimes, but I don't like looking like I want to kick everybody's ass all the time (and looking like I WANT to kick their ass is all I can do since I'm a pretty short guy). I have more examples, but this happened again to me today...

Anybody else have this problem and have any advice on how to look less pissed? Anybody not know what I'm talking about?

It's just my stupid face. My normal face is everybody else's mean face :(

 

Yeah, I'm not big on smiling for no reason unless I'm trying to impress somebody ha. Seems too fake to me, I cringe when I even think of being an actor cause acting like I'm something I'm not just makes me really uncomfortable... How long did it take you to get used to smiling for no damned reason ha?

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough. "There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.
 

I laughed so hard at the last line. Well, try to relax your muscle and smile more, probably =))) Btw, I'm dying to see a picture of your real mean face!!!!

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I heard once it takes far less muscles to smile than frown. Some quick Googling gets you a litany of such responses.

One deep-fried-Zen adage advises: "It takes 13 muscles to smile and 33 to frown. Why overwork?" "You know the old adage that it only takes 10 muscles to smile but it takes 100 to frown," she said. (The New York Times, 19 April 1987)

According to doctors we use only four muscles to smile, but when we frown we use 64 muscles, 16 times more. (The Hindu, 11 March 2000)

It takes four muscles to smile, 20 to frown and roughly 317 to appear amused when a Celine Dion imitator, who happens to be a man, sings a song about, er, flatulence. (The Denver Post, 29 September 1998)

It's easier to smile than to frown. A smile uses 17 muscles, a frown, 43. (Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, 24 February 1997)

Right there, you commit to selling to all employees at cost, not a nickel of markup company T-shirts that say, "It only takes one muscle to smile and 37 muscles to frown." (St. Louis Post-Dispatch, 24 April 1995)

Don't they know it is said you use 35 muscles to frown and four to smile? Why tire yourself? ([Queensland] Sunday Mail, 18 August 1991)

Sonny Smith, Auburn's basketball coach, on his dour counterpart at the University of Alabama: ''It takes 15 muscles to smile and 65 muscles to frown. This leads me to believe Wimp Sanderson is suffering from muscle fatigue.'' (The New York Times, 16 December 1986)

I am permanently behind on PMs, it's not personal.
 

It's not really frowning that does it, I think it has more to do with my eyes, like I'm staring some douche-nozzle down constantly or something.

PS this is my mean face, took this pic yesterday when my friend ate all the tater tots:

honestly though, my mean face is probably less intimidating than my normal face. When I get angry, I just stare at whoever's pissing me off and breathe slowly while resisting the urge to hit them. Even then, I'm closer to smiling than when I'm sitting on a damned bus haha. I just look really really neutral.

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough. "There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.
 
  1. Internalize positive thoughts this will naturally show through in your body language.
  2. Work on body language. The way you portray yourself has an absolutely huge impact on how others will perceive you. Don't cross your arms, open body posture, etc.
  3. Try initiating the conversation for once. You would be surprised how many people just love to small talk and the more you do it the more comfortable you will get.

It pays off in crazy ways, got a free cab ride from a couple of lawyers in New York the other day during interviews. Just one example but directly translates to success in the business world.

 

You should smile more man. Like you, I used to think it's fake, but it's not about that. I think most people that smile at strangers are just happy and/or just trying to be nice and courteous. Have you never felt better about a situation instantly when the person you are dealing with starts the interaction by smiling at you? Once you have that experience you'll start to see the benefit of smiling at others.

Also, working out might help. It gives you a different kind of self-confidence, it makes you believe you can handle yourself in any situation. That, I think, will allow you to losen up and just be nicer to people.

 
Yohoo:
You must be Asian

false. white boy.

ProspectiveMonkey:
Two tactics I've adopted that now make people just think I'm retarded or just have some sort of mental disorder (schizophrenia or tourettes) but at least they're still willing to look me in the face/ sit next to me are: 1) When you catch yourself doing it just blink a few times, this will make them think that you have some sort of spasm or just something in your eye(still not sure which it is that they are thinking about) and then just be more mindful when looking at them again or, 2) raise your eyebrows if you catch yourself doing it. This makes anyone looks semi-retarded or inquisitive (again, not sure which)

Either way these techniques work, people don't turn the other way when you do them.

lol I don't think I wanna go for the spazzy look either

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough. "There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.
 

Have the same issue, and honestly it makes me laugh that another person is facing the same thing. And I can't believe I'm about to say this because ppl who don't deal with this problem will have no clue what the hell were talking about but here it goes...

Two tactics I've adopted that now make people just think I'm retarded or just have some sort of mental disorder (schizophrenia or tourettes) but at least they're still willing to look me in the face/ sit next to me are: 1) When you catch yourself doing it just blink a few times, this will make them think that you have some sort of spasm or just something in your eye(still not sure which it is that they are thinking about) and then just be more mindful when looking at them again or, 2) raise your eyebrows if you catch yourself doing it. This makes anyone looks semi-retarded or inquisitive (again, not sure which)

Either way these techniques work, people don't turn the other way when you do them.

 
technoviking:
this is a question for Yahoo, not WSO...

well I put it in monkeying around. I'm sorry, I didn't know the internetz was serious business

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough. "There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.
 

Ditto man. I just got over overanalyzing it and realized I was intimidating the fuck out of people, especially because I'm a bigger guy. Maybe intimidating isn't really a euphemism for looking pissed off, but whatever, I'd rather intimidate people than make them think I'm loony because I smile for no reason. I don't trust people who walk around smiling. I do say hello to passerby though to make up for my "default" face.

 

The internets are serious business bro! Also just get a bill Clinton or gwb mask those guys can never look mean.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne
 

I'm usually tired so there's a constant fight to maintain focus....people ask me "what's wrong" all the time. If I had to give an honest answer, it would be: "I'm not angry, I just want to sleep for about a week"

You're not the only one. Lighten up a little so that at least when someone DOES talk to you, they're pleasantly surprised.

Get busy living
 

I used to have the same problem. People would tell me that I looked angry all the time and that I was clenching my fists. I did a lot of martial arts training and did jrotc in high school, so we were taught to always look a certain way, and that whenever someone talked to you, you were supposed to look at them in the eyes - which is also intimidating and a no no (because people in our society are weak and soft). A good trick is to meditate for a minute or two once in a while - just sit down, get with a good posture and your eyes open (but not too wide). Breathe our completely, hold it, and then breathe in while visualizing that youre drawing energy up from the ground. Then hold it, and repeat these steps in seven second intervals (or more if you want). While youre doing this, try to relax all the muscles in your body, moving from your face down to your toes, inch by inch down your body.

Also, smile more. And when youre talking to people, look at the bridge of their nose - you get the benefits of looking like youre paying attention but its less intimidating to people than looking in their eyes.

“...all truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” - Schopenhauer
 
seabird:
I ... look at them in the eyes
Same here and people often look down or face away and it took me a while to figure out why. They think you're staring, but in reality it's just giving them your undivided attention. If I didn't give a shit what someone had to say, I'd be looking around, so sometimes I confuse other people's distracted state with disinterest/disrespect.

fucking a, why aren't basic communication skills taught in school?

Get busy living
 

Because cursive is obviously more important

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough. "There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.
 

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If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough. "There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.
 

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