7/17/10

Does anyone know what jos a bank's superfine rating system means? They have 6, 4 and 2 star ratings but they don't specify what the wool quality is (i.e. super 100, 110, etc.).

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7/17/10

oh for fuck's sake

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7/17/10

Go with Brooks Brothers. Problem solved.

7/17/10

Avoid Jos A Bank. They may have superficially good deals, but the quality is not great. They're like $100-200/suit (using discounts & promotions).

Go with Brooks Brothers.

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7/17/10

DON'T buy at JAB.

If you're looking to get 1 or 2 decent suits, but not trying to spend much - Brooks Brothers outlet

7/17/10

Lol. Knew a guy who traded them for a few weeks and made a killing. All because he loved on of their off the rack specials. Go figure.

7/17/10

All this go buy brooks brothers shit is stupid. That is like someone asking about a honda civic and being told to buy an E class.

Go take a look at the suit and see hownit feels. If you like it then buy it. Just make sure you get it fitted by a tailor. Banana Republic makes some ok suits.

7/17/10

BB isn't that expensive, especially @ outlet malls.

Macy's has good deals with coupons. Try Hart Schaffner Marx or above.

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7/17/10

I went down to the outlet malls two months ago and BB was offering 2 suits for $500.

7/17/10

What Brooks Brothers lines are the best? 1818 collection? I went to the outlets recently and saw the 2 for $500 deal but the suit quality was unimpressive. Maybe I was looking at the wrong line?

Also, since JAB is running this buy 1 get 2 free deal, are there ANY lines there that are good? Maybe the signature gold line? I'm poor so I'm trying to get 3 serviceable suits for a good price.

7/17/10

There are several lines within the BB 1818 collection.
http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCatSectionView.pro...

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7/17/10
SirLaurenceWildman:

There are several lines within the BB 1818 collection.
http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCatSectionView.pro...

Thanks. Any comments on the JAB line I mentioned?

7/17/10

I am sorry, but I took a look at BB outlet in Philadelphia and I think their quality is shit. Most of that stuff is made specifically for the outlet store so other than the BB name you are getting sub par quality. If you want to talk about normal BB then I will agree that they make some nice suits, but if you are going to the outlet then you are paying for the name.

I have multiple black label RL suits as well as Hugo and a suit I bought in London. All fitted by a tailer, all very nice and stylish. My favorite suit is the one I paid $400 bucks for at Banana. Fit and feel are all the matters man. I have never once had someone come up to me and be able to call out the brand of suit I have on.

7/17/10
AnthonyD1982:

I am sorry, but I took a look at BB outlet in Philadelphia and I think their quality is shit. Most of that stuff is made specifically for the outlet store so other than the BB name you are getting sub par quality. If you want to talk about normal BB then I will agree that they make some nice suits, but if you are going to the outlet then you are paying for the name.

I have multiple black label RL suits as well as Hugo and a suit I bought in London. All fitted by a tailer, all very nice and stylish. My favorite suit is the one I paid $400 bucks for at Banana. Fit and feel are all the matters man. I have never once had someone come up to me and be able to call out the brand of suit I have on.

Spot on. Suits are like vodka. Anyone can tell a shitty one from a mile away, but once you hit a certain level of quality, no one can tell the difference, except for the experts (but I doubt there are many Wall Streeters that are tailors are the side)

7/17/10

Thanks guys. I'll just go check it out for myself.

7/17/10

Brooks Brothers outlets I do think are shit. I think the OP would be better off getting 1 suit from BB. I'd take 1 suit from BB over 3 shitty suits from Jos A Bank. The 1818 collection is on sale online right now and the new Milano line is sharp.

"Buy 1 suit, get 2 free" How does that not sound alarms off in someones head that it's a, ahem, "Shitty deal"

7/17/10

Brooks Brother outlet stores are NOT the same as the regular BB's. Quality is much less from the outlet. You can tell by touching and, and even had a salesman tell me they are.

7/17/10

i got a suit from boss and another from theory, best money i've ever spent, great fit, quality and trendy, yet conservative enough to wear to work. i think brooks brothers suits are too boxy...

7/17/10
ZIRH:

i got a suit from boss and another from theory, best money i've ever spent, great fit, quality and trendy, yet conservative enough to wear to work. i think brooks brothers suits are too boxy...

I've yet to purchase a Theory or Boss suit but I've heard good things about them. Compared to the returning trend of thin lapel-fitted suits, yes Brooks Brothers is boxy, but it's what's been the trend for the last 30 years. The Milano line, however, is a new BB line that is more of a fitted suit with narrow lapels.

7/17/10

To all you guys talking about RL black/purple label - where do you find these suits (besides the actual RL store I guess)? All I see is the "Lauren by RL" line, which doesn't seem to be the same thing.

Thanks

7/17/10
chewingum:

To all you guys talking about RL black/purple label - where do you find these suits (besides the actual RL store I guess)? All I see is the "Lauren by RL" line, which doesn't seem to be the same thing.

Thanks

You have to go to a Ralph Lauren store in a decent city. I bought one suit on vacation in Vegas and another in NYC. That or go to a higher end mens clothing store.

@Nelly - $450 for a Boss suit is solid.

8/9/10
chewingum:

To all you guys talking about RL black/purple label - where do you find these suits (besides the actual RL store I guess)? All I see is the "Lauren by RL" line, which doesn't seem to be the same thing.

Thanks

Lauren by RL is the outlet line. Nothing close to as good as the normal Ralph Lauren line. If you're buying these because you think you're buying good quality Ralph Lauren, you're wasting money. They're cheap and you get what you pay for.

Go buy one or two good quality suits. They're worth the investment because they last.

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7/17/10

Went shopping today and looks like I'll be getting a Boss suit for ~$450. Great fit and material. I basically fell in love when I put it on. I'm assuming that it's a great deal too to get it around 60% of the retail price.

7/17/10
nelly0:

Went shopping today and looks like I'll be getting a Boss suit for ~$450. Great fit and material. I basically fell in love when I put it on. I'm assuming that it's a great deal too to get it around 60% of the retail price.

Where did you get a Boss suit for $450?

7/17/10

Local Nordstrom's. They are having their "anniversary sale" right now. Suit was marked down from $795 to $500 and then coupons+card sign-up discounts = $450. I was pretty shocked myself as they are normally way out of my price range. It's a Navy Hugo Boss Pasolini suit.

7/18/10

Anthony if you don't mind me asking how much did your RL BL/PL suits cost? Any way to get them below retail price?

Btw on the Hugo Boss, I have a 2-button charcoal Pasolini that I got for $350 at an outlet. It fits like a potato sack though

7/18/10
chewingum:

Anthony if you don't mind me asking how much did your RL BL/PL suits cost? Any way to get them below retail price?

Btw on the Hugo Boss, I have a 2-button charcoal Pasolini that I got for $350 at an outlet. It fits like a potato sack though

I didn't think these suits could possibly fit like a potato sack. I put on the jacket today and it fit like spandex. It was beautiful. The material is also really really nice. Overall its just a really solid suit. I'm happy I found it at this price.

7/18/10

I have an older Boss pinstripe suit that I absolutely love. Paid more than $450 though, grrrr.

@Chewinggum

I have a navy BL RL, with the side waste adjusters that I paid 1K for. I have a black BL RL suit that cost me about 2K. I enjoy them both and they are very nice suits, but considering the ~$450 Banana Republic suit I have is my favorite I would probably reconsider those purchases. I have 7 suits and the cheaper ones are actually the ones I like better.

What makes an expensive suit cost so much

The material is usually (not always) better or more fine. The buttons tend to be better. The stitching is better. The back and part of the body is not fused (glued) which makes it fit better. Shit like that. In general, a whole bunch of little things that only someone into suits and clothing would know about.

Same thing with ties. It really is all about their thickness. Cheap ties are real thin. You cannot tie a respectable knot with a thin tie. Pick up a tie and feel it. It should be like 1/4 inch thick. That is all you need.

Hermes ties are printed ties. I personally love the designs (Vineyard Vines also), but it is name brand. I literally have a dozen Nautica ties that I think I paid less than $20 bucks for that are conservative and thick. Real nice knots and hang appropriately.

Shoes are another thing. I bought a pair of Coach loafers around 7-8 years ago. Absolutely love those shoes. I just recently got them resoled, new heals and a crack filled in. Brand new as far as I am concerned. I paid $200 or so 8 years ago and I am sure I will have them for another 8 years. Shoes take a beating and you can really tell quality if you know what to look for.

On the other hand I have some rubber soled Donald Pliners that I got maybe 5 years ago and they are going strong. The soles are glued (cheaper build), but they are still in good shape. You don't fall on your ass in the ice like you do with the leather soles also. I paid about as much as the shoes above. I don't think I will get 8 years more out of them.

Side note, I like the Pliners so much I am trying to get a guy to take off the rubber and sew on leather soles. Don't know if it will happen, but it is in the back of my mind.

Long story short, buy what you like and take care of it and it will last. That thing that makes a suit look nice are its fit and the stuff underneath. Get a decent white shirt, find a nice and thick tie, know how to tie a knot, shine your shoes, etc. That makes the whole package stand out. Paying a lot doesn't.

As I have gotten older I am more about getting custom stuff with no tags or brands on it. I could careless who makes the suit as long as I know the construction is superior.

7/18/10

Thanks man that was helpful, appreciate it

7/18/10

Anytime dude.

7/19/10

If you are filthy, filthy rich and want to spend too much money on a suit, wait for The Men's Wearhouse to have a sale, and go in and buy two Joseph Abboudds or Pronto Uomos for the price of one. This will cost about $600 for two suits- a good deal for Joseph Abboud.

If you aren't rich, I recommend JC Penney. Get a couple of Stafford or Jeffrey Banks 100% wool suits. If you are buying suit separates, buy an extra pair of pants- those are cheaper and generally wear out first. JCP will cost you $150-$200 each.

Brooks Brothers has great suits, but Joseph Abboud makes high quality suits that generally last for about 250-300 days of use and Joseph Abboud I think is a little cheaper than Brooks Brothers when it's on sale. Not sure how Brooks Brothers durability is, but one of my analyst friends had a suit wear out on him after two years of average use. I'm hard on clothes and I've had very good experience with Joseph Abboud and Uomo- long-term, they might actually be cheaper than a $200 suit from JC Penney.

7/19/10

When you get an extra pair of pants with a suit, should you rotate the two pairs of pants to keep them from wearing out as fast or just wear one pair until it's worn out then switch to the new pair?

7/19/10
villagebanker:

When you get an extra pair of pants with a suit, should you rotate the two pairs of pants to keep them from wearing out as fast or just wear one pair until it's worn out then switch to the new pair?

You live in New York and have limited closet space. I say wear one till its worn out to maximize available closet space in the aggregate.

At the end of the day, it's really not a big deal; I just wanted to share my discovery that it's more cost-effective to buy two pairs of pants with suit separates than one. Since there's a 90% chance the pants are what breaks on you first, you get, in the aggregate, 1.9 suits for the price of a suit and a $50 pair of pants.

8/12/10
IlliniProgrammer:
villagebanker:

When you get an extra pair of pants with a suit, should you rotate the two pairs of pants to keep them from wearing out as fast or just wear one pair until it's worn out then switch to the new pair?

You live in New York and have limited closet space. I say wear one till its worn out to maximize available closet space in the aggregate.

At the end of the day, it's really not a big deal; I just wanted to share my discovery that it's more cost-effective to buy two pairs of pants with suit separates than one. Since there's a 90% chance the pants are what breaks on you first, you get, in the aggregate, 1.9 suits for the price of a suit and a $50 pair of pants.

Just a consideration here...but you might be better off rotating them because as the jacket gets worn and dry cleaned, I'm sure its possible for it to fade over time...switching to a brand new pair of slacks might cause a contrast in colors that may be noticeable...maybe not...just something to think about.

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7/19/10

I recently had a suit made for me while in Hong Kong and the tailor stressed that I get an extra pair of pants. I'm glad I did because I definitely won't be back there anytime soon.

8/12/10

I haven't noticed it, but then again, I'm only a detail-oriented guy when it comes to numbers, rather than fashion. I have ALL of my pants drycleaned more often than my jackets, and a quick look at the charcoal pants and jacket I'm wearing indicates no noticeable color difference.

Seriously, though, I stick to getting my suit/pants drycleaned every 5-6 months as recommended by the Men's Wearhouse. Your suit will tear long before the number of drycleanings it takes to discolor something.

8/23/10

I didn't know that pronto is considered as a decent line. Joseph Abboud is good.

You can also try Express, Zara, Banana republic or Macy's etc

10/6/10

The same goes for BB non-iron shirts. As an Intern, they're easy because you just throw them in the washer, dryer, and hang w/o dealing with a massive dry cleaning bill. The outlet slim fits are completely different, and junk (346 line).

Many companies have a BB corporate discount program where you get 15% off anyway, so 3 legit BB shirts for $170 at retail isn't bad at all. Much better than anything I've tried in that range.

10/29/10

I do like J.A.B.'s ties - they might be worth checking out. Their suits are decent enough - but fit in a very old school way - like waist at your navel for example. I recently lost a bunch of weight and went to get a new suit from them and the tailor there just didn't seem to know what to do with a skinnier (albeit normal sized man). If you've got a little extra junk in your trunk, or belly - I think their fit gets exponentially better.

They do have good deals on suits, but their shirts and especially their ties are the stuff I like most from them.

11/9/10

They fucking suck. For my first job, my parents wanted to send me out to get bespoke (they are old school), but me, wanting to prove my independence, went out to JAB to buy suits that I can afford with my own meager savings.

The jackets started unraveling after 6 months, pants started to split around 8 months. I got one of those buy one get 5 free sales or whatever. They are basically $300 suits that they intermittently mark up to $1000 on the off chance that some sucker will buy them at super-sticker prices. The main purpose is to mark them down more than 50% of the time so you think you are getting a steal. I got their Sig Gold, BTW, which is supposed to be one of their better lines. I'd hate to imagine how their budget lines hold up.

Stay far away from these pieces of shit unless you are going analyst for two years and bailing into a bus casual environment, in which case they are an amazing deal. Wear them and give them away to the homeless, if they will even take them. If you need suits that will last longer, go with Hart Schaffner Marx, J. Press or Hickey Freeman.

11/14/10

jab is equivalent to shopping at wal-mart.

11/15/10

^^^ Then what's JC Penney? That's where a lot of folks on the markets side shop their first several years. And that's just the start of it. A lot of traders show up in b-cazsh, torn socks, and the like.

Spending more than $250 on a suit as an analyst or an intern is just crazy unless you're in a role where you need to meet clients.

11/15/10

You should look into some of the Asia tailors that come around the US. You can usually get a suit for around $300 and they do a fantastic job. My favorite suit is a $200 suit that feels and looks exquisite. Definitely something to check out.

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

12/9/10

I own two (from the buy one get one + 2 shirts + 2 ties deal)They are ok. Its really all about fit, and they tend to be on the baggier side, where I like a slimmer fitting suit. They are my everyday suits that I wear when I don't have any big meetings planned or have anyone to impress. Put yourself in a Hugo Boss or similar suit and you will feel the difference.

I DO really like their shirts and ties though, and unfortunately they don't discount them much. I was actually considering going to those buy one get 4 free events and just buying the cheapest suit I could find to get the shirts and ties.

12/9/10

Boss suits are awful. Fused, made in china, etc.

12/9/10

Dude if you're broke and need a suit then go get one or two but please please please get it tailored by someone who knows what they're doing. (You should spend at least 40 or 50 bucks on tailoring)

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12/9/10

Happy is right - the reason people hate on Jos A Bank is because their cut is terrible since it's "off the rack". However, if you invest a few more dollars in taking it to a tailor after you buy it, it will look literally 5x better and I would be willing to bet nobody would even notice it was a Jos A Bank suit. Much of the look of a suit is in the cut and the fit - a great tailor can make even an entry level suit look great.

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12/9/10

def lift those and get them fitted. make sure you get a standard shirt tho (e.g. thomas pink), spread collar...no monochromatic dwight schrute.

12/9/10

Dude, if you wait for Brooks Brothers to have a sale at their outlet store, you can pick up their 346 line suits for around $150 a piece, and they are good quality for the money. Of course, it is nowhere near the quality of better brands or the real Brooks Brothers, but if I was going to spend the money, I would prefer it over Jos A Bank.

12/9/10

I have a hard time knocking these guys considering their EVP is my next door neighbor. Hes a fun guy one time he was backing out of our driveway and ran over our mailbox with his Yukon. Anyway being that I am very large I find their cut to fit me rather well. I do have them tailored after I buy them I think thats a given.

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12/9/10

DO NOT get a suit from Jos. A Bank. If you are not trying to spend much try Zara. You can get a suit for $180ish, might be able to get it for less great style/fit, good quality for the price. Also try Macys. I got a Joseph Abboud suit (those suits go for more than $400 for about $175ish - around there. Alfani at Macys isn't bad either if you are trying to spend in that kind of range. Defintely do not buy from Jos A. Bank though - bad look.

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12/9/10

Jos A. Bank is terrible and if you do buy one, whatever you do DO NOT get it tailored there. They will send it to some production line that will butcher your suit. I fell for them and got my suit back with one pant leg 3 inches shorter than the other and the sides were not properly taken in at the sides. If you do buy from them, try there non wrinkle travel lines...they have a slightly slimmer cut. But again, take it some where else for alterations.

12/9/10
Adam_Smith:

Jos A. Bank is terrible and if you do buy one, whatever you do DO NOT get it tailored there. They will send it to some production line that will butcher your suit. I fell for them and got my suit back with one pant leg 3 inches shorter than the other and the sides were not properly taken in at the sides. If you do buy from them, try there non wrinkle travel lines...they have a slightly slimmer cut. But again, take it some where else for alterations.

I bought 3 suits during there all-too-regular buy 1 get 2 free sales. I had all three tailored by their 'master tailor' at the same time. Funny thing how all three coats have different sleeve lengths. I didn't notice until I had them hanging next to each other in the closet. I had to take that mess to a real tailor to get it unfucked. Overall, I'd say the suits are decent, but they're a $250 suit not an $800 suit. If you pay full price for these you got your head knocked off. Heck, for $1000 I can get a M2M Coppley from the store I currently shop.

12/9/10

I have one of their suits and it fits me great. Got it tailored somewhere else though but for people like me who have broad shoulders and an athletic build their suits fit well.

12/9/10

i have two of their signature (signature gold? i dont recall) that are far better material than anything from BB outlet or whatever Macy's is trotting out. Tailoring is a necessity regardless of expense.

12/9/10

Their travelers collection of shirts and pants are some of the best I have found. There is definitely something to say for not having to iron, especially if you travel a lot.

12/9/10

Jos A Bank commercials are amazing:

"Buy 1 suit, get 100 ties, 13 dress shirts, 3 more suits, and a set of cufflinks free"

12/9/10
thekingwillwhip:

Jos A Bank commercials are amazing:

"Buy 1 suit, get 100 ties, 13 dress shirts, 3 more suits, and a set of cufflinks free"

Exactly what I was thinking.

Clearly the quality is great if the profit margin on one suit is high enough to cover 343 other suits then you can probably gauge the quality from there.

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12/9/10
thekingwillwhip:

Jos A Bank commercials are amazing:

"Buy 1 suit, get 100 ties, 13 dress shirts, 3 more suits, and a set of cufflinks free"

hahahahaha

12/9/10

Really the biggest thing they have going for them is their sales and their travelers collection. If you hate ironing as much as I do they wrinkle free shirts that look nice are a must. Also, getting a couple pretty decent sport coats for less than $80 each is a pretty sweet deal. I still want to have nicer dress clothes but their sales provide a good opportunity to build a diverse wardrobe at a reasonable cost.

12/9/10

JAB = total sh*t

"I'm broke. So I'm considering flushing the last $20 I have down the toilet"

Terrible logic.

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12/9/10
veritas14:

JAB = total sh*t

"I'm broke. So I'm considering flushing the last $20 I have down the toilet"

Terrible logic.

Unless you need a suit and its all you can afford.

"I am broke and have 40 dollars. I need a job which I cannot get without proper interview attire because I am not Will Smith. I will purchase a cheap suit so that I can obtain gainful employment."

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

12/9/10
happypantsmcgee:
veritas14:

JAB = total sh*t

"I'm broke. So I'm considering flushing the last $20 I have down the toilet"

Terrible logic.

Unless you need a suit and its all you can afford.

"I am broke and have 40 dollars. I need a job which I cannot get without proper interview attire because I am not Will Smith. I will purchase a cheap suit so that I can obtain gainful employment."

It has been demonstrated on this site many times that there are dozens of options for cheap suits.

Others not mentioned on this thread:

-consigment/thrift shops in Manhattan carry great business attire
-EBAY

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12/9/10

Hi, Eric Stratton, rush chairman, damn glad to meet you.

12/9/10

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