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Changed my mind. I'll buy #1 @ 6
2 Nothing done
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Thx for nice rate.
I think this will turn out to be one of the worst decisions made in sports history..
Agreed. He will most definitely win a championship(s), but has ruined his legacy forever.
The better choice was chicago
Agree x1000
Definitely.
Lebron made the wrong choice. 3 stars and the rest of the roster is scrubs in Miami
"Better" is highly subjective. You'd have to qualify that a bit, but I think I understand where you (and most people who make that argument) are coming from.
Np! I'll re-price it! But seeing as you took #1 and not #2, tells me your problem isn't with the Heat, but the Lakers....mmmm....
For all the kids out there, good example of how a trader thinks haha.
the nets got fucked now that david lee is reportedly going to the warriors... the nets ended up with NO ONE
GO WARRIORS! hahahaha.
Going to Chicago would mean living under MJ's shadow for the rest of career until he gets 6 championships...
LBJ going to Miami, assuming him, Wade and Bosh can play nice, could work out really well (like the Big 3 in Boston). But it's a different story, Pierce, Allen & Garnett were already past their prime and solely focused on getting a championship before they retire... LBJ, Wade and Bosh have yet to peak as individuals. This threesome can either be a tremendous success... or a shitshow of epic proportions.
My concern in Miami is how their going to put a team together, they'll have to essentially have all the rest be minimum salary barring some massive pay cut from Bosh, Wade & LeBron.
True about MJ's shadow, but on the other hand he is joining Wade's team... at least in Chicago he'd be the man.
Exactly, Lebron needs to be THE man on the team for his legacy to stay. Look at all the shit Kobe got for being on Shaq's team for the first three championships. And if you think Miami can pull off role players like Fisher, Horry, Posey, Eddie House, Odom with only minimum salaries, then you got another one coming.
Agreed... I don't think LBJ will be used to sharing the limelight and being second banana.
Yeah... he's ruined his 'legacy'. I had hoped he stay in Cleveland - given it's his hometown, and the whole 'back in the day players were loyal and stuck it out', but I didn't expect it. Man... I wonder how much $$$ the Cavs will lose in ticket sales and indirect tourist dollars.
Edit:
(Oh boy, city of Cleveland is fucked)
Byron Scott must be devastated, he is definitely rethinking his offer now lol.
I just don't see how those 3 can mesh together to win multiple championships. They'll probably win the East but I don't know if they can win it all
So he basically left because he wanted to play with the Wade and Bosh and his current team sucks? NOT A TEAM PLAYER
as Lebron speaks MSG stock falls
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/08/AR20100…
"His decision to spurn the Cavaliers for more talent and hope in Miami forbids LeBron from ever being one of those all-time greats..."
If he was soley focused on winning a championship, then Miami was the ONLY choice for him. Chicago couldn't have improved the odds of winning one anymore than Cleveland. Forget the Nets, Clippers, and Knicks - proven losers for years to come.
As for Maimi's supporting cast, there's tons of decent, cheap talent out there that are obtainable if the 3 sacrifice some of there pay and it seems like they're all about winning so that shouldn't be an issue.
He is a genius. You know how much money he is going to save by not paying state tax?
Somewhere around $9 million.
But what is $9 million to Lebron James?
Kris Kringle--you're an idiot. Bulls no better than Cleveland without LeBron.... lawl
Boozer/Rose/Noah as a supporting cast, plus the entire bench... I think that is a tiny bit better than Cleveland. Just saying. The Bulls were a great team without LeBron or Boozer and with the two of them, they would be dominant. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out with the Heat's supporting cast though.
And don't forget Luol Deng who gave you 18 and 7 this past season.
Rose/James/Deng/Boozer/Noah plus a decent bench would have made a really good ball club next season.
HAHAH to Lebron. As a Kobe fan, I'm incredibly happy he did this to himself. Wow.
Totally agree. What an idiot. I mean fuck it, WADE should have gone to Chicago.
I understand him not wanting to play in Cleveland. But shit, throwing a press conference to break your city's heart? That's pretty low. Just sign the paper like KD and announce shit on twitter. haha
die hard heat fan.
go heat.
dynasty time
Slightly off topic, but I think fantasy value will go down for all three.
Defintely will, now they all have to share the ball instead of being the best player of their respective teams.
Another industry leaves Cleveland.
Lebron's decision to join Miami is one of the worst sports decisions in history. He was mesmerized by the glamour of Miami and the whole notion of playing with D Wade. How are they going to control their ego and make necessary sacrifices? And it will be a tough team to coach, even for Riley.
The Bulls have all the ingredients for a championship team, and with Lebron, they would've been a serious threat to the lakers. My good friend who is a diehard lakers fan breathed a sigh of relief when he found out that lebron is not going to chicago.
And one more thing. Lebron will have to share the spotlight in Miami with Wade while in Chicago he would've had the keys to the city as the unquestioned king.
I agree with you right up until the last part. Chicago is a pretty sophisticated basketball city - there is virtually no chance he would have been the king of anything (let alone the unquestioned king) until he won a title. We all saw him quit on the Cavs in the last playoffs. That kind of crap doesn't fly here. If you try hard and love the city and play for the fans, we love you, if you win, you're a legend, but take some plays off and we never forget it. Just ask Scottie Pippen.
If you guys wants some laughs head over to http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/07/send_a_message_to_lebro… and view the comments.
"I am so very sorry I wasted my time and money on you. Loser!!!!!"
"I hope Miami is happy - three divas and no cap space!"
"Have fun swimming in OIL lequit!!!"
"LeQuit, U R a loser. I've tossed my "Team USA - James 6" jersey in the trash."
lets be honest when the game is tied and 15 seconds left with the ball who takes the shot...d wade or lebron..... who ever takes it will split the team and the other throw a shit fest if the shot isnt made.
This is also hilarious.
Would have loved Wade OR Lebron in Chicago. The Bulls still have room for a strong leader. Rose sort of leads the team with his performance, but Chi is missing a strong leadership personality. This free agent season looked perfect for us to fill that one hole.
I just read an article essentially condemning Lebron for fucking over Cleveland. They had a picture of fans burning his jersey.
I didn't realize that basketball was about doing whatever the fans wanted and not a business where people with skills get paid more? Fuck the Cleveland fans.
I am a casual fan, I used to be a die hard Knicks fan back in the day, but now I will watch a couple games here and there and the playoffs, but where is all this betrayal shit coming from. He was with Cleveland for a while and then went somewhere else for more money and a better chance. What is the huge deal. I guess for the guy working at Walmart life must be miserable because Lebron has left, but who gives a shit. This is this dudes career.
Miami is a great city. I am sure the quality of life is 10x better than Cleveland. Last time I checked, smoking hot college girls don't book spring breaks to Ceveland, Ohio.
Anthony, this move wasn't about money. In fact, Cleveland is able to pay him more (and would have to keep him). He might make slightly more in Miami now, only due to the tax environment. This move was about the ability to win, and that's where he looks like a douche bag. Why? Because the sports world is used to the Michael Jordan's and the John Elway's. Guys that stick with their team for many years, waiting for the right chemistry. MJ got dogged on for years by the Pistons. Did he complain and gtfo? Nope, he wanted to be a legend.
Again, Lebron's decision had nothing to do with money. In fact, that might have been a better excuse for Cleveland's fans. Lebron just cemented his spot in history: the guy that couldn't win in Cleveland. It was a decision of impatience, and admitted inability.
The Miami Thrice! If they can keep their egos in check (They need to scoop Phil Jackson) , they will dominate.
A lot of smoking hot college girls would also press rape charges if they slept wiht Lebron. Black people with tatoos are scary. And he's not doing it for the money. Salary is negligible compared to his endorsements.
The problem isn't with him leaving Cleveland. Its his whole attitude: giving up in the playoffs, deliberately detracting from the playoffs by hyping up his decision and schmoozing with people like calipari, all culminating in a narcisisstic press conference to announce he's LEAVING.
If he was announcing that he'd stay in Cleveland, he wouldn't be an asshole. They'd love him. I understand him leaving, but he should have done it quietly. He's classless. This is like publicizing your divorce by taking out an ad in the paper to promote the chick you've been fucking on the side.
Oh, ok. Thanks for the info.
"Our economy's based on Lebron James"
NOT ANYMORE!!!
^^^ Inability? LeBron? Are we talking about the same player? The best in the NBA LeBron...impatience maybe, definitely not inability. If he cannot win in Cleveland, I doubt anyone else could, or even want to try (I mean who wouldn’t pick Miami over Cleveland, no contest). His supporting cast, which Cleveland had years to create was fucking horrible from start to finish, Cleveland had their chance and blew it. Dan Gilbert, the owner of the team, wrote a letter publicly condemning him after the announcement, doesn’t sound like a guy trying to attract players to his market. Though I agree it was a bit tasteless to publicly kick Cleveland in the balls, but understand he was also promoting Miami, his new team and his brand. LeBron is businessman, this was business.
Yes, inability. The man has been unable to even get the Cavs to a Championship. Even more importantly, his desire to leave suggests he doesn't think he is capable of ever doing so. He abandoned legendary status. He would have been a legend had he stuck with the Cavs, and waited and worked harder to build the necessary components in Cleveland. That's what Jordan did. That's what many legends used to do.
He did something new, he left a personally important team, and not even for money. He did so, because combining forces with two other top 10 players (one of whom is a fellow top 3 player) would be the only way he could get to the Championship--in his mind, anyway. This was all about his ability as a player, and a leader.
^ I would have to totally disagree with you...to re-iterate, my point was that is was not his inability, he is the best player in the NBA, it was the inability of the Cleveland Cavailiers to provide him with support so that he would not have to put up 40+ bloody points a game for Cleveland to compete. His desire to win and his desire to improve his brand were great reasons to go to Miami, if he stayed in Cleveland his legend would have been that he would be included in the ranks of Alan Iverson, etc. who were all-stars that failed to take the title. He spent 7 fucking years in Cleveland, how long did you expect him to wait and work harder to build the components? Miami went out and did it in a week! Cleveland should be fucking embrassed. And Jordan had support...like Scottie Pipen, who would have been a super-star in his own right if he was not on Jordan's team, Toni Kukoc, Cartwright, the Bulls spent money and you could easily tell which way they where headed. If they had not provided him with an enviroment to thrive you can bet Jordan would have left, he is a super competitor (like LeBron) and they don't like to lose.
Why do you think the team was personally important to him? Because he grew up in Akron? That doesn't make any sense...given the opportunity to work in either Miami or Ohio, what would you choose? ...though I do agree that he left to win, he is a basketball player, that is what they get paid the big bucks to do. And of course he did it for the money, are that naive?!?!?! For every dollar in contract money he probably makes $10 in endorsement money. So he makes a few million less is salary (which one could agrue he won't really loose because he will be paying less tax), he will reap so much more when they win the title...just being on a team with 2 other all-stars gives him a co-brand to run with...For a 25 year old kid with a fucking high school diploma he took control of the world stage; impressive.
Who are we kidding? The Heat will run away with it next season. 65 wins, and a cake walk thru the playoffs. They don't even need a bench...
I'm a diehard Raps fan, and as much as I didn't like Bosh, he's a crisp, reliable player (plays well against Garnett and Gasol) . Throw Wade (better than Ray Allen, and the Lakers don't have a good guard) and Lebron (WAY better than Pierce, holds his own against Kobe) in there, and it's not even close.
Heat in a route, Pat Riley for President.
An amateur wading in here, but Lebron could of changed his name to Cleveland and that wouldn't make him a legend. I think when all is said and done Kobe is still going to be looked at as WAY better than Lebron. Not that I am a Koba fan boy, but rings tell a story. Lebron better start getting some or he will forever have NBA Championship blue balls.
Patrick Ewing stayed with one team his whole life and got tea bagged by Reggie Miller or MJ every year. An all time great player without a ring. Sometimes you gotta know when to pull the trigger.
Heat fan here, and I can empathize with those who feel he should have gone to Chicago, but you have to realize he has proven chemistry with Bosh and Wade and nobody has the slightest idea of how this concoction of awesomeness is going to perform. He just chose the team that was most appealing to him based on a lot of different factors. As was mentioned in this thread, in his mind, he felt this was his only shot at getting to the finals and taking down a stacked Lakers squad, and it may be so.
The supporting cast argument is dull, as it has been said before, this trio (and Riley) won't have trouble attracting players who yearn for a championship and are willing to forfeit a higher salary for an almost guaranteed ring. Only a day after the announcement and we pretty much have Mike Miller and Jay Will lined up to join the party.
It's no surprise that there would be an unending stream of negative feedback and reproach regarding Lebron's decision, but then again so many teams got fucked over with this decision, and hardly anyone outside of South Florida actually likes the Miami Heat.
Dan Gilbert and a lot of Cleveland fans really showed a lot of class. A city has no claim over an athlete and ultimately he's going to do what's best for him. A city shouldn't be so dependent on such an uncertain variable, it's just a damn sport.
Well, like, that's your opinion, man.
He is not the best player in the NBA. That designation is in perpetual debate. It is not a solid fact. In fact, he may have joined up with someone truly better than him. A closer. That isn't the argument, however.
It is difficult to speculate what would have happened had he stayed in Cleveland. You mentioned that Jordan had support, but you ignored the part of his career with Chi that I brought up. The struggling years. And like the Bulls did for Jordan, Cleveland started to do for Lebron (bringing in Shaq and Jamison). Too little, apparently too late. But it was being done. The effort never vanished
Cleveland was important to him, and that is common fucking knowledge. Cleveland was, and I quote, his "childhood sweetheart." That is what he portrayed in the media before this off-season, but apparently you know him better.
Personally, I think he could have eventually taken Cleveland to the promise land. Additionally, with his brand and salary for support, the risk to accomplish that goal would have been worth it. He saw it differently. But his reputation has been tarnished by the sports media already (calling him a follower, contrasting him to sports legends--who are typically associated with a single team, etc.).
^^ To support some of the points h.e.pennypacker and a number of us have mentioned: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/michael_rosenberg/07/08/l…
Jordan cld have won with that Cleveland team in this league. If Lebron was on the Lakers instead of Kolbe they wld not have won the championship.
I agree he could have taken them all the way, but he will do it faster in Miami and he will have sooo many more business options. If I have learned anything about the media is that tomorrow, everyone will forget about his decision (maybe even where Cleveland is) and those same reporters will be getting down on their knees, calling him a leader and best player in the game. LeBron will be busy swating their heads away from his crotch.
I grow tired of verbally pistol-whipping you, it is too nice to be inside, peace...
This is not a one-on-one sport, you're grasping here.
You don't know who Antwan Jamison is? I hope you do not call yourself an American, because he has been on the USA national team (and is a 2x all-star, so he is a somebody). I agree Shaq was/is past his prime, but you failed to interpret what I was saying before (not surprised by your comprehension). The point was that Cleveland showed an effort to build around him by nabbing an all-star/nat'l team member, and a veteran multi-champion center. Lebron could have easily stayed and helped the new coach organize a better scheme.
You have not been verbally pistol-whipping me at all. In fact, I believe you might be a troll (in that case, I am the idiot), considering how idiotic some of your arguments are.
You are right about one thing, it is too nice to be inside. Which is why I am posting from my patio. Peace, dawg.
I cannot believe some of the garbage you have spouted in this thread. This will not just go away overnight. What LeBron did was the height of arrogance. Leaving Cleveland is one thing, leaving in this cowardly way while having an egotistical hour devoted to his decision is something that will never be forgiven. LeBron may very well have surpassed Art Modell for what he has done.
And enough with the "business options" shit. Is LeBron going to put you on his fucking payroll? I hate people that base their opinions on athletes the way you do. Unfuckingbelievable. "Well, LeBron didn't win the title, but he's making so much money, he's the man" Fan-boy bullshit.
Should have gone to Chicago. At least we got something out of Boozer. Just have to pray that the Wade-Lebron-Bosh chemistry blows up.
You know what, just read the article that was just posted. Here's the link again: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/michael_rosenberg/07/08/l…
Perhaps you'll gain some much needed perspective.
What is a troll? maybe you could enlighten me?...though why call me an idiot? Usually when someone resorts simply to name calling it means they have lost the arguement...this conversation could only be improved over beers, ha...I read the article, but the only thing I see is a journalist who is trying to sell a magazine by capitalizing on an opportunity, he will be the same guy who writes how great LeBron is when he wins the title in "5 or less years".
Dude shut up. Jamison was nasty. And seriously, you think Wade and Bron can both score 40 in a game? This again. These are both dudes who put up numbers precisely because their teams dont. This team is not going to have a cakewalk through the playoffs and the finals. You know why? Because James ISNT a team player. I can't wait until ESPN shits on the Heat next year.
Thank you for finally agreeing with me that LeBron didn't have alot of support. Do I think they can both score 40, mmm they probably could, but now they don't have to, you forgot about Bosh...gonna be interesting next year...
How are the new big 3 going to all take 30 shots a game? Worst decision ever.
It's much easier for one player to make an impact in basketball than football, which is why LT would be much more likely to get a free pass.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5368129
This would be sweet
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