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Very poor recruiting. It's basically for middle of the road UF undergrads who didn't land a job. Try the MSF instead.
Their MSF isn't really open to non UFL undergrads sadly
I would avoid it. UF's MSF used to have excellent recruiting, but that stopped. Wells Fargo and Suntrust used to heavily recruit, but neither do so anymore. This is all according to the lady who runs their program. Another negative to it is the lady who runs it. She is extremely stuffy and a bit arrogant. She wants to have a phone interview with you before you even apply, she expects to be addressed by "Ms.", but will still call you by your first name, etc.
It actually is. UF used to not allow non-UF students to apply, but that has changed.
UF has historically poor recruiting for the amount of students it churns out.
kks has become an msf expert second to ant
Ha! Not really, though. Anthony is still the expert, bar none. I just recently went through MSF applications and made sure to do a ton of research before applying. MSFHQ.com is still where it is at.
Kelly Haring is pretty nice and the most professional adcom I know. There isn't any formal recruiting for MSF students, simply alumni connections. This is why she is demanding with who she lets into the program. I know quite a few UF MSF's and their placements have been tops.
As for their MiM program, unless she is running it I would only consider it under specific circumstances.
Always good to have different and fresher opinions. KKS is a smart dude and has done his homework. Honestly, everyone going into an MSF program should have his level of knowledge. It ensures that you've made the right decision.
I know a couple UF MSFs and the placement has been right up there with WUSTL/Vandy/Villanova. Personally, ive heard bad things about Kelly, both students I know said she was hard to deal with and insulting at times. But hey, they have the placements/resumes posted straight on the site and you cant argue with results.
Another thing you have to consider is that they are very biased towards UF UG. Im not sure if they have a formal policy but they take 90% of their own. Also, they are big on the combined degree program(MSF in 4 years admit as soph) which helps their placement because all students end up in SA roles in their junior year. Other MSF programs have students looking for FT analyst roles, and BB/Top MM are moving more and more towards SA--->analyst structured recruiting
The thing about the UF program and adcom that most people dislike is also why it is so successful. I worked with a USF guy who was trying to get admitted and they want to see internships in the field you want to work in, strong academics, networking, etc.
Placements are the biggest thing students look at when deciding an MSF program. The placements at the UF MSF program are a lot better than their brand would normally get simply because of how rigorous they are selecting people. Recruiting is also mainly through alumni contacts so it is essential people know their shit and don't embarrass the program.
There is a push to allow more non UF people, but realistically the program will always be Mai ly UF students.
I think one important thing to point out about the UF MSF program is that it is not an MSF program per se for UF kids. UF kids take the MSF classes during their fourth year of college. For UF kids, the MSF program is essentially an honors program, not an MSF program per se (i.e. not a fifth year). The UF kids entering the MSF program have already had an internship, which is why the placements are so good. Because of this, I think people need to take their placements with a grain of salt. Those kids would have those offers with or without the MSF program.
There is one Vanderbilt MSF kid this year who entered the program with a FT offer in hand, but other than that Vanderbilt, Villanova, WUSTL, etc. kids all got their offers through FT recruiting. I think that is very important to note.
agreed i touched on that in my post above. Another thing is most kids apply in their soph year so its easy for them to point them in the right direction. They help them network to get a soph internship then leverage that+the MSF into a SA. Also, like you said its basically just selecting the most dedicated finance students from undergrad and placing them under the umbrella of "MSF" kids
It's not really a target school for BBs so you should expect a lot of MMs and small local boutiques.
Get your jorts ready...
There are pros and cons to what UF is doing. The pro is they have epic quality control. The con is if you didn't go to UF you are at a disadvantage. Every program is different. When MIT started their MSF it was only open to MIT UG's. Villanova's first couple of classes were 90% Nova UG's. The new Northwestern MiM program is only open to NW undergrads. Different strokes.
As for the original question, I would look elsewhere for a MiM program. Duke is obviously the leader in this category. Notre Dame just started a program which looks interesting. I'd do the Florida program if it was low cost, you know you only want to work in Florida and you have internship experience and a non business background.
Northwestern's program would be epic if they opened it up to non-Northwestern students. I am surprised that more schools do not have these one-year programs. You could have a rigorous application process, such as the one MIT has, offer no new classes, and let the money roll in.
Agree. I spoke with them and I think in the next 3-4 years they will open it up. Northwestern has a great 1 year MBA so I think they could do their MiM very well also. ND's program is pretty solid and lets in non ND undergrads.
GMAC stats show a continual increase in students taking the GMAT for specialized programs. Applications for MBA programs are remaining strong for T15 programs and remaining strong for lower tier programs (night time students, local businesses, etc). For schools in the middle ground they are seeing applications drop off. So specialized masters are a good program to start.
I frankly think it makes sense for more programs to have specialized masters programs.
1) It offers an appropriate program of study for younger students. Too many good MBA programs have young students in their MBA program because they simply don't have another option for them. This fills that void.
2) Many people are looking for a focused career program. Giving working professionals a one year option with a focused curriculum is a positive thing.
3) The market is saturated with MBA degrees. Every school under the sun is offering one. This has devalued the brand to an extent.
Just look in the past year. You have Santa Clara starting a program. Johns Hopkins going FT. You have Southern Methodist really focusing on their program. Notre Dame and Northwestern started a specialized masters. UT Austin last year.
I really, really wish Notre Dame's program as established. I would have at least strongly considered it.
Logically, these programs make sense for the schools. For example, MIT's MFinn program has a rigorous admissions process (no real dilution of brand) and has its students pay approximately $80,000 and use resources that would have existed independent of the MFinn's existence. Genius!
The real question is whether or not the US' higher education system will start to mimic Europe's: three years of undergraduate study followed by a one-year masters program. If all of these schools start rolling out MSF programs, it will only be a matter of time before there are many MSF students in banks.
I also really wish that Northwestern would open up their program prior to 2016. I'd also like to see a one-year MiM at schools like UCLA, Cal, and maybe a few other southern schools. The west coast is pretty devoid of these degree programs minus a couple MSF's and MFE's.
No kidding I wish California had few master in management programs. The only school in California with a mim program is Pepperdine University which is a complete non target school. It makes you wonder why the west coast universities havent rolled out any mim programs.
There are a bunch of MSF programs on the West Coast, just none from schools with any real prominence. UCLA and Stanford both have top MBA and MFE programs so no real need for an MSF. USC is eventually going to roll something out. Claremont has one.
USC has a MiM, but it is kind of odd in how it is executed.
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