What do you think? Is this guy a bigot? You be the judge.
dav3100 had this to say about JPMorgan's Honors program post a couple of topics back. I'll let you be the judge on whether his words were a. Yes, very offensive. b. borderline bigot, or c. the poor guy's just misunderstood...
My best thought is that the program is geared somewhat toward diversity as well. My friend did get into the program (she's an underrepresented minority female) and that's what she told me at least...that out of the few spots, they had 2 people from Morehouse and about 30-40% of the people in the program were black or Hispanic. They do have full white guys in the program, but I think it's really hard to get in as just an over-achieving white person at an ivy. You need to be class president or have a 4.0 (literally lol).
When I responded to dav3100, he had this to say...
I see zero bigotry in my comments. I am just warning white/Asian/etc. people that this program may be more difficult to get into as it seems to practice a greater degree of Affirmative Action than other IB programs do. I didn't say I "deserved" to get into the program nor that the girl I know who got in didn't deserve it. Nor did I say that it was a bad thing that the program practiced Affirmative Action.
Your thoughts...





who gives a damn
who gives a damn
Nothing in his post is
Nothing in his post is remotely biggoted, offensive, or racist.
what is this
did i just walk into a protest by the black students association?
The OP must be either black
The OP must be either black or Hispanic.
Re: The OP must be either black
The OP must be either black or Hispanic.
my guess is black. hispanics don't usually draw that much attention to themselves.
Yeah, I don't think he is a
Yeah, I don't think he is a bigot
I made this post to see what
I made this post to see what response it would illicit and a fair amount of it is already questionable in content...
The problem with the post topic lies in the individual's dismissive comments about his own candidate inadequacy. Since he could not get in to the program, there was an immediate assumption made that it must be "diversity initiative" focused and that is what is disturbing about the comments...
He inquired as to the diversity makeup from his friend and her admission into the program helped him to come to his own conclusions. Therein lies the error. I hope despite what melee may ensue from this post, people will take this into account.
This may surprise most of you, but I will say that I am neither nationality that has been mentioned thus far, despite the disparaging comments made about those minorities.
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Haha, definetly black.
Haha, definetly black. Hispanics rarely make noise. Now blacks on the other hand....
Can you not read?: "and
Can you not read?: "and about 30-40% of the people in the program were black or Hispanic."
If that is true, the program was CERTAINLY a "diversity initiative," and that would be a completely logical conclusion to come to. The percent of analysts in IB that are Hispanic or Black is so low that it would be almost statistically impossible for this one group of interns to be 30-40% underrepresented minority. Why is this so hard to understand? Do you have any concept of statistics?
vandremc:Your profile
vandremc:Your profile indicates that you attend Morehouse College. If you are not black, what the heck are you doing there?
Re: I made this post to see what
I made this post to see what response it would illicit and a fair amount of it is already questionable in content...
The problem with the post topic lies in the individual's dismissive comments about his own candidate inadequacy. Since he could not get in to the program, there was an immediate assumption made that it must be "diversity initiative" focused and that is what is disturbing about the comments...
He inquired as to the diversity makeup from his friend and her admission into the program helped him to come to his own conclusions. Therein lies the error. I hope despite what melee may ensue from this post, people will take this into account.
This may surprise most of you, but I will say that I am neither nationality that has been mentioned thus far, despite the disparaging comments made about those minorities.
blacks and hispanics are not nationalities. do your ancestors hail from africa?
the whole quitting IB to work less and be lazy thing is coming together pretty well now.
Your stats say you go to
Your stats say you go to Morehouse, an HBCU, but you're not black?
Anyway, I drew my conclusion that the program was aimed somewhat at diversity (more so than a traditional IB analyst class) based on the comments of my friend, who did the program 2 summers ago (and is going back to be at JPM full time next year).
This may help a bit, from JPMorgan's website about the Honors program: http://usibcareers.jpmorgan.com/content/content_12...
And here is the description of the regular IB program (for candidates in their junior year): http://usibcareers.jpmorgan.com/content/content_11...
I think the fact that the first line of the Honors program description comes right out and says it's for "students of diverse backgrounds" is a pretty strong indicator that it's at least somewhat aimed at attracting underrepresented minorities (since you keep noting that I'm failing to mention all minorities except whites and Asians in my posts, vadremc, I'll be more explicit: underrepresented minorities in banking = black, Hispanic, Native American; Asians, Indians, Pakistanis, Arabs, etc. are not underrepresented and thus do not benefit from Affirmative Action in banking).
While it's true that the program description goes on to say it's not limited to students of color, just the fact that that's basically the first thing the description says should be a good indication. If you look at the posting for the regular IB program, you'll see that nowhere does it mention seeking diverse candidates. I also checked out the postings on Penn's online job apply system, and that line about "students from diverse backgrounds" is right at the top of the Honors Program description as well, but the internship posting for the general junior year investment banking program mentions nothing about seeking diverse candidates (not even a line about JPMorgan being an equal opportunity / affirmative action employer).
Just to note too, for anyone interested in the Honors program, there's only 15 interview slots at Penn for the Honors program summer internship (versus 45 interview slots for the regular IB program)..yikes.
So, I hope that's the last we'll hear from you, vadremc.
You Are Sadly Mistaken PeePee
The word nationality means a people having common origins or traditions and often constituting a nation...
That could also be implicit of "as in descended from," you arrogant imbecile...
Secondly, I seriously doubt that you are an MD because you have the least intelligence from anyone I have met who has posted on this board. You've changed your statistical profile settings so many times, I don't even think you know what it is that you do...
This is an IB forum, Michael the Janitor, so the next time you want to try and call me out, you better get your mop bucket and get ready to clean up either the crap that spews out of your mouth or the kind i'll verbally beat out of you if you ever attempt a sissy ass blow like that again candy striper...
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kudos
good post, jamal.
agreed with dav3100 above about underrepresented minorities not including asians. one thing i don't quite understand is why SEO still allows asians/indians to apply through their program. another thing i don't quite understand is what pride any asian/indian would have in applying to get into investment banking through a program meant for underrepresented minorities.
No I'm Not Black dav3100
And secondly,
It's so sad how you consistently contradict yourself. First you say it may be hard for asians to get into the program as well, then you include them in your description of under represented minorities....Then you say the program is geared toward minorities and that's why you got rejected, but there are white guys in the program. If it's so selective and "diverse", how did those guys gain entry? A better question: WHY DID YOU APPLY? DID YOU READ THE PROGRAM DESCRIPTION? DO YOU JUST APPLY FOR ANYTHING HOPING TO GET A JOB???
Bottom Line: I think that you can't cut the mustard dav3100, and whenever you fail at something, immediately you trigger your own defense mechanism to dismiss a program's legitimacy or relevance to you. If you're performance is marginal, then work on being exceptional, regardless of how many caucasian, 4.0 gpa's/class presidents there may be applying. Find a way to be that select individual...
Given your "excuses" for everything, you should never assume anything. Yes, I transferred to and graduated from Morehouse, yes I did IB, but I am not black or hispanic. The institution is very respectable, and I chose to transfer for my own personal edification. As a result, I have a world of experience, host of perspectives and respect from colleagues and friends alike for doing so.
So stop making excuses.
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Re: No I'm Not Black dav3100
First off...
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Re: First off...
Is That All?
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Uhhh, maybe when he applied
Hank_Paulson
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The program says:The
Re: Hank_Paulson
agree with dav
Yeah You And Everybody Else
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this is
I dont know you but step into the ring...
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Vadremc- The bottom line is
Did Your Mother Send You Here?
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Are you serious? You are
affirmative action sucks
Initially, I discouraged
No sense in hiding the
Re: What do you think? Is this guy a bigot? You be the judge.
Quote:The JPMorgan
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Not responding to the rest of
no racism here, and its
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