Uncle Eddie's Guide to Pacquiao-Mosley

Now that I know WSO has a bunch of fight fans, I thought it would be a good idea to offer a few thoughts about Saturday's upcoming slugfest between 32-year old phenom Manny Pacquiao and 39-year old "Sugar" Shane Mosley. This one has the potential to be Fight of the Year, so any monkeys on the fence about it should definitely tune in.

It's hard to think of a more electrifying fighter than Manny Pacquiao, and the odds reflect that. At the moment, Mosley is a 6:1 underdog, which has me wondering if it wouldn't hurt to put a little money on the older fighter. After all, Mosley's no pushover. He fought almost 100 fights as an amateur with a record of 96-3, and he won his first 38 professional fights, most by knockout.

Pacquiao's camp (well, really just his trainer Freddie Roach) is predicting an early knockout, which I have a hard time accepting for two reasons. First, Mosley has never been knocked out. He's rarely even been knocked down. Now, if anybody could do it, it would be Manny Pacquiao, but I don't see it happening. Second, it's not Pacquiao's style. He's had several opponents he could've knocked out but didn't, carrying them into later rounds, and several others that he did knock out but could have done so much sooner. He thinks of himself as an entertainer first and foremost and considers knockouts something of a gip.

There's no good guy vs. bad guy aspect to this fight. Both fighters are class acts and consummate professionals. If either is tarnished it's Mosley, having admitted to "unknowingly" using performance enhancing drugs before the De La Hoya fight in 2003. Otherwise, he's been an example to other fighters for years.

Both men have great stories. Mosley came up in L.A. and fought in a heavily competitive environment since he was 8. He was one of my favorite fighters throughout the 90's, and I was actually ringside when he knocked out Wilfredo Rivera after moving up two weight classes. He's one of the best technical boxers I've ever seen.

And you can't find a more compelling story than Manny Pacquiao's. This kid literally grew up in a garbage dump in the Philippines, re-selling trash to buy food. His conditioning is absolutely flawless, and he's lightning fast. He absolutely goes to war with his opponents, and he leaves most of them looking so overmatched as to not even belong in the same ring with him. More than once I've caught myself with my mouth open stunned during one of his fights. I've never seen any other fighter as fast as Pacquiao. (side note: I've actually adopted his ab training regimen, for all the good it's doing my fat ass).

In a nutshell, if you're a boxing fan this is one of those fights that only comes along every couple of years and promises to remind you why you love the sport. If you're not a fan (yet), check this fight out and I bet you will be before it's over. This fight showcases the best trainer in the world right now (Roach), arguably the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world right now (Pacquiao - though a strong argument could be made for Georges St. Pierre), and a six-time World Champion in four different weight classes (Mosley). I think it goes the distance, and while my head says Pacquiao, my heart is screaming Mosley.

With that in mind, if you're gonna throw some money at a long shot, the odds of Mosley winning in Round 10 or later are a staggering 34:1. As in, $100 pays off $3,400 if Mosley knocks him out in a late round or wins the decision. I might just have to make that bet for nostalgia's sake.

So let's hear it, fight fans: who wins this one, how, and in what round?

 

Nice preview.

Hmmmm cant see this being a classic...I just feel Manny will have far too much for Mosley who is years past his best. I would predict two rounds of textbook lightning fast jabs from Manny and a third round stoppage. I know Mosley has never been knocked out but I think it will quickly become evident that Pacquaio is far too skilled for him....Im just hoping it doesnt drag on with SSM taking serious amounts of punishment,

Anyway first fight in ages that I'm actually interested in and will stay up for (fights start 5 am this side of the atlantic!)

Edmundo could you post that ab workout? Or PM me, thanks,

 

Don't underestimate Mosley. He went the distance with Mayweather a few months ago. Like you, I'm hoping Manny doesn't make him look stupid (like he did De La Hoya). Overall, I think it's gonna be a brawl and I think it goes the distance. We shall see...

And we can't even go to bed early the night before on this side of the pond, because Holyfield is fighting Nielsen in Denmark in a battle royale of the geezers (I kid the Real Deal, but it comes from love and admiration). Here's the workout:

(Part 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R34yAmgv-Mw (Part 2)

Sorry, they won't embed.

 

Can't see Mosley going down unless he makes a mental mistake, which is not likely. That said, he's old and has definitely lost a step. Now that said if we look at Manny's recent history, he is not a dominant fighter against guys who are not pushing a wheelchair. If anybody recalls the Miguel Cotto fight from 18 months ago; Cotto was the better fighter for most of that match and seemingly lost control of it for no reason in the later rounds. More than a few boxing aficionados claimed to smell a rat on that one and I was leaning in that direction myself.

If Mosley can control tempo and keep Pac outside, the frustration and Manny's short temper could lead to interesting things happening in later rounds. If Pac lands big early, long night for Mosley. Being that I am not a Manny guy, at this point I have to point out that a 32 y.o. Mosley would have dominated this 32 y.o. Pac. Pacquiao likely takes it on decision, but I'm going with Mosley by split-decision for old time non performance enhancing sake.

 
Midas Mulligan Magoo:
Can't see Mosley going down unless he makes a mental mistake, which is not likely. That said, he's old and has definitely lost a step. Now that said if we look at Manny's recent history, he is not a dominant fighter against guys who are not pushing a wheelchair. If anybody recalls the Miguel Cotto fight from 18 months ago; Cotto was the better fighter for most of that match and seemingly lost control of it for no reason in the later rounds. More than a few boxing aficionados claimed to smell a rat on that one and I was leaning in that direction myself.

If Mosley can control tempo and keep Pac outside, the frustration and Manny's short temper could lead to interesting things happening in later rounds. If Pac lands big early, long night for Mosley. Being that I am not a Manny guy, at this point I have to point out that a 32 y.o. Mosley would have dominated this 32 y.o. Pac. Pacquiao likely takes it on decision, but I'm going with Mosley by split-decision for old time non performance enhancing sake.

We must not have watched the same match. You couldn't pay me enough to be Cotto's face after that match. Drop your tin foil hat for once.
 
Malakari:
Midas Mulligan Magoo:
Can't see Mosley going down unless he makes a mental mistake, which is not likely. That said, he's old and has definitely lost a step. Now that said if we look at Manny's recent history, he is not a dominant fighter against guys who are not pushing a wheelchair. If anybody recalls the Miguel Cotto fight from 18 months ago; Cotto was the better fighter for most of that match and seemingly lost control of it for no reason in the later rounds. More than a few boxing aficionados claimed to smell a rat on that one and I was leaning in that direction myself.

If Mosley can control tempo and keep Pac outside, the frustration and Manny's short temper could lead to interesting things happening in later rounds. If Pac lands big early, long night for Mosley. Being that I am not a Manny guy, at this point I have to point out that a 32 y.o. Mosley would have dominated this 32 y.o. Pac. Pacquiao likely takes it on decision, but I'm going with Mosley by split-decision for old time non performance enhancing sake.

We must not have watched the same match. You couldn't pay me enough to be Cotto's face after that match. Drop your tin foil hat for once.

Fear and skill don't always match up. Cotto controlled him with the jab early on and then started putting down his hands and leading with the face. If that was a function of nerves so be it, but I've seen enough guys lay down to know something was up. You don't need much foil for your hat if you've been watching boxing as long as I have. Lay downs and judges for sale are far from the exception, closer to the rule. The point is that Pacquiao, along with many guys over the last decade (most notably Roy Jones) has had a tendency to beat on lower class, aging fighters. He's still a fine fighter, but all this legend hoopla around him is laughable.

 
Midas Mulligan Magoo:
Can't see Mosley going down unless he makes a mental mistake, which is not likely. That said, he's old and has definitely lost a step. Now that said if we look at Manny's recent history, he is not a dominant fighter against guys who are not pushing a wheelchair. If anybody recalls the Miguel Cotto fight from 18 months ago; Cotto was the better fighter for most of that match and seemingly lost control of it for no reason in the later rounds. More than a few boxing aficionados claimed to smell a rat on that one and I was leaning in that direction myself.

If Mosley can control tempo and keep Pac outside, the frustration and Manny's short temper could lead to interesting things happening in later rounds. If Pac lands big early, long night for Mosley. Being that I am not a Manny guy, at this point I have to point out that a 32 y.o. Mosley would have dominated this 32 y.o. Pac. Pacquiao likely takes it on decision, but I'm going with Mosley by split-decision for old time non performance enhancing sake.

...see the left upper cut at the 1:51 mark of this video if you want a good reason why Cotto "lost control" of the fight. Cotto is actually my favorite fighter of the last few years but he got smoked by pac man...it wasnt even close and to be honest it was a crime the fight wasnt stopped in the 11th or 12th. and nobody would have taken that type of punishment to go the full 12 rounds if the fight was anything but legit.

 

I have a lot of respect for both of these fighters, both have amazing accomplishments in the boxing world. I am not underestimating Mosley by any means, I think he poses a much larger threat than the public is giving him credit for. His heart and experience cannot be easily beat, but I think that Mosley is just past his prime for this fight, whereas Manny is in his prime

10th round for Manny. I understand that Mosley has never been knocked out, and Freddie Roach also understands his iron chin. The last episode of Fight Camp 360 (episode three I believe) has Manny focusing on bringing the war to the body. We'll all found out this Saturday, can't wait!

I am a huge boxing fan so I am glad to see this post Eddie.

 

styles make fights. Manny hasn't fought someone who is as quick as him and who has some sense of what defense means. Shane's a technical fighter, but who is willing to slug it out. If his age shows and he gasses out like he did against Mayweather then it'll be a long night. I think Shane will be up to it. he'll use his jab and quickness "swim without getting wet" as his trainer calls it.

i'm definitely tuning in because I don't think Pac has been really hit in the mouth by someone who can punch. Cotto got off good shots against Margarito, but couldn't knock him out; Mosley got off good shots against Margarito, and we know the end result. Shane by knockout in 9.

 
Edmundo Braverman:
I think Pacquiao scares the shit out of Mayweather.

I don't think Pacquiao scares Money May, just the thought of his record being messed up.

I think that we are all clinging to a great many piano tops...
 

Banged Mayweather's hand guy's relative (not going to tell you fuckers who because then you would figure out who it was).

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"styles make fights. Manny hasn't fought someone who is as quick as him and who has some sense of what defense means. Shane's a technical fighter, but who is willing to slug it out. If his age shows and he gasses out like he did against Mayweather then it'll be a long night. I think Shane will be up to it. he'll use his jab and quickness "swim without getting wet" as his trainer calls it."

Manny hasn't fought anyone as quick as him because there isn't anybody (with the exception of FM). If your only arguement for Mosley winning this fight is his jab and "quickness" then that's unfortunate. It will be a brawl, and I look forward to it.

 

there will no doubt be a brawl, but Mosley's jab, quickness, and the fact that he can punch your lights out will be the difference maker. If you can square up on FM, then you can definitely square up on Pac, whose defense is his offense. Pac will get hit a lot; if he beats Mosley, i'll finally give Pac some respect, as long as Mosley doesn't gas out in rd 3.

 

Going the distance with Mayweather is hardly an accomplishment. Mayweather has demonstrated many times that he is not one to rush and open up wildly looking for the killshot. He is an extremely surgical technician who uses his speed and reflexes to outpoint his opponents without getting hit. There's a reason he's called "Pretty Boy Floyd." His style is practically an immediate lock for a decision, unless his opponent is either too slow or chooses to give him openings (see Arturo Gatti, Ricky Hatton or Diego Corrales).

Mosley just does not have the speed that made him a killer in the late 90s, and it showed in his fight with Mayweather. Pacquiao still has a tendency to willingly take punches to prove his bravado and put on a show, but I think he knows when to temper that urge and box intelligently. He'll have the edge in speed and it will give him the fight-ending KO.

 
surferdude867:
Boxing is on life support, check out the Hominick/Aldo fight from this weekend if you want to see a real battle.

I hear this all the time and its just not true...boxing is exceedingly popular amongst hispanics who are the fastest growing group in the country. The sport is quite healthy and in fact growing. You should amend the statement to say boxing is dying amongst middle-aged white people.

 
Bondarb:
surferdude867:
Boxing is on life support, check out the Hominick/Aldo fight from this weekend if you want to see a real battle.

I hear this all the time and its just not true...boxing is exceedingly popular amongst hispanics who are the fastest growing group in the country. The sport is quite healthy and in fact growing. You should amend the statement to say boxing is dying amongst middle-aged white people.

Did you watch the fight yet?

http://www.mmalinker.com/external/frames/42234/Jos_Aldo_vs_Mark_Hominic…

 
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I am a huge fight fan, but this fight is a joke. Mosley has been shot for years.. I was at the mayweather-mosley fight last year in vegas and i got myself all hyped up believing that sugar shane had a chance and I am not making the same mistake twice. Mosley does absolutely nothing offensively or defensively that is superior to Manny. Mayweather, who is mostly a defensive fighter, landed an enormous percetage of his punches against Mosley and basically was scoring at will outside of one bad minute in round 2...I have no doubt that he could have knocked him out had he wanted to take chances (which mayweather never does). Mosley was a great fighter in his day and he had many huge wins but those days are over.

Going forward, if the mayweather-pac man fight cant be made then pac needs to step it up and fight somebody who is relevent today like sergio martinez or maybe victor ortiz. Ortiz-Pacqiaou would be an epic fight garaunteed to result in fireworks because both are guys who want to fight and are willing to get hit and take chances to land. Otherwise he should just retire because fighting washed up guys like margarito and mosley is a waste of time.

 

^^^^I will watch the occasional UFC fight but I am not a huge fan of the sport. Its just a personal preference..my comment was solely about boxing not about whether UFC is good or not. I used to box competitively so I enjoy and understand the sport of it...I have never wrestled and so I dont find it as interesting when most of the UFC fights end up being decided on the ground.

 

If you take the top 10 PPV events in a year, the top 1 will be a big boxing match, and the next 9 will be UFC. Not an actual statistic, but you get my point.

The big boxing matches are more popular than UFC, but UFC in general has become more popular than boxing.

I still appreciate boxing as a classic sport, but I do enjoy MMA a lot more...

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I am not really sure PPV buys are a fair way to compare the sports in terms of popularity...first of all boxing runs on TV almost every weekend Friday night on ESPN and Saturday night on HBO or Showtime. Local channels also often carry local fights such as SNY here in NYC. UFC has much less programming and so I would imagine each individual event gets a larger share of MMA fans watching. A UFC fight would do way more PPV buys then a baseball game but I dont think anyone would say there are more UFC fans in the USA then there are baseball fans.

Also, boxing has much more of a grass-roots following amongst people who dont really watch the "mega-fights" as closely but compete and love the sport on the local level. For eg go to a "real" boxing gym (not a fitness gym) in new york this week and you will hear as much talk about the May 5 card in the Bronx as you will about pac man/mosely. There is no equivalent "local scene" for UFC as far as I know (i guess i could be wrong about that but definitely not in NY where MMA fights are actually illegal).

 

Big fight fan here...and would just to chime a couple words. I respect Manny's boxing skill and what he's done for the sport (and outside of the sport as well), but Mosley is not to be taken lightly. When the biggest stage shines, Mosley steps up. Mosley dominated Antonio Margarito at a time when Margarito looked completely unstoppable and pundits were claming Mosley was gonna get smoked there. Yes Shane lost to Mayweather but he gave Mayweather hell in the first 3 rounds and just couldn't pull the upset off (and why Mayweather is one of the best). I honestly have no idea who may win, but I do know that we will be in for a treat. Lets hope they let their hands fly...

 
Inception:
Mosley dominated Antonio Margarito at a time when Margarito looked completely unstoppable and pundits were claming Mosley was gonna get smoked there.
You did not mention a HUGE x-factor in Margarito's success -- plaster wraps. Margarito has shown me nothing more than the ability to stand in the pocket, take big shots and deliver nasty body blows. Mosley made Margarito look like the piece of shit he is because Nasim Richardson caught Capetillo rigging his wraps. Without his plaster, Margarito is just another brawler.

Mosley did not step up against Cotto or Mayweather, and he did not step up against Forrest TWICE. Forrest absolutely wrecked my innocence.

Oh yeah, BALCO, anyone?

 
whateverittakes:
Inception:
Mosley dominated Antonio Margarito at a time when Margarito looked completely unstoppable and pundits were claming Mosley was gonna get smoked there.
You did not mention a HUGE x-factor in Margarito's success -- plaster wraps. Margarito has shown me nothing more than the ability to stand in the pocket, take big shots and deliver nasty body blows. Mosley made Margarito look like the piece of shit he is because Nasim Richardson caught Capetillo rigging his wraps. Without his plaster, Margarito is just another brawler.

Mosley did not step up against Cotto or Mayweather, and he did not step up against Forrest TWICE. Forrest absolutely wrecked my innocence.

Oh yeah, BALCO, anyone?

Personally, I think Mayweather is the best fighter and I had no qualms at all that Mayweather would dispatch and handle Mosley. But that uppercut that rocked Mayweather scared the fuck out of me. The Cotto fight? It was an entertaining fight and I'll leave it at that. Mosley clearly overlooked Forrest and the second fight was no excuse (R.I.P. Forrest by the way). And yes the BALCO situation was just plain stupid on Mosley and his camp's part.

As for the scummy Margarito, you have to give credit to Mosley for knocking this guy out and completely exposing him. That fight was not even close and was one of Mosley's best performances of his career. Pacquiao - in his prime - couldn't knock him out and trust me he tried in the middle rounds, and then eased off to cruise to a UD. Plus Manny took some shots in that Margarito fight that make you cringe if you're a Manny fan.

I'm just saying Mosley is being overlooked a little too much. Do I think he will win? Probably not, but I will be surprised if he gets knocked out. Styles make the fight and Manny is not a precision counter puncher like Mayweather and Forrest (though he has been impressive during this streak).

 

Guys--let's remember that Mosley was outboxed by Cotto, a fighter who is far slower in terms of hand and foot speed than Pacquiao. You can make the argument that Cotto is better technically than Pacquiao, but you can't deny that speed makes it easier to outbox someone.

Similar to the early rounds of the Margarito fight, Roach will advise Manny: "It's too early to bang with this guy; let's break him down with some boxing first." Manny is going to stay at long range and soften Shane up. By the mid-rounds he will start fighting in the pocket more in an attempt to earn a stoppage. Keep in mind that Ring Magazine has noted on multiple occasions that if Manny struggles against Mosley, he could be dropped to number 2 pound-for-pound behind Sergio Martinez--Pacquiao will be motivated to end the fight impressively.

See a full prediction here: http://asktheboxer.com/bookies-and-businessmen/predictions-and-picks/29…

 

I agree with you that the odds are on the steep side. I definitely think Manny has the edge, without question, but I don't think there's ever been a fight in history where it was smart to take 6:1 odds AGAINST Sugar Shane - give me a break... the man is one of the greats!

 

@Bondarb Had no idea you were so into the sport, that's fantastic. Question for you: assuming you caught Morales-Maidana last month, who did you think won the fight? I'm actually wondering how much of Morales's performance has me thinking that another "old guy" like Mosley might take it to Pacquiao. Morales was 6-7:1 against as well, if I remember correctly.

@whateverittakes I'm wondering about the BALCO thing, too, but I think it might actually motivate Mosley. We'll see in a few days.

 
Edmundo Braverman:
@Bondarb Had no idea you were so into the sport, that's fantastic. Question for you: assuming you caught Morales-Maidana last month, who did you think won the fight? I'm actually wondering how much of Morales's performance has me thinking that another "old guy" like Mosley might take it to Pacquiao. Morales was 6-7:1 against as well, if I remember correctly.

@whateverittakes I'm wondering about the BALCO thing, too, but I think it might actually motivate Mosley. We'll see in a few days.

I thought Morales won that fight...although I am biased because i have always loved Morales and was rooting hard for him. I like Maidana's toughness but I think he is very overrated...so the fact that he may have lost to Morales doesnt change my opnion that much in regards to old guys.

 
Bondarb:
Edmundo Braverman:
@Bondarb Had no idea you were so into the sport, that's fantastic. Question for you: assuming you caught Morales-Maidana last month, who did you think won the fight? I'm actually wondering how much of Morales's performance has me thinking that another "old guy" like Mosley might take it to Pacquiao. Morales was 6-7:1 against as well, if I remember correctly.

@whateverittakes I'm wondering about the BALCO thing, too, but I think it might actually motivate Mosley. We'll see in a few days.

I thought Morales won that fight...although I am biased because i have always loved Morales and was rooting hard for him. I like Maidana's toughness but I think he is very overrated...so the fact that he may have lost to Morales doesnt change my opnion that much in regards to old guys.

Speaking of that fight....wow Morales turned back the clock there! El terrible is also a boxer I love. Big heart, great smarts, and very respectful fighter.

 

Shane's too old, too slow and he doesn't have a good enough jab in my opinion. A KO from Shane is still possible, which makes betting on the underdog all the more tempting, but I don't think he'll be able to successfully setup any serious power punches due to his lack of a jab and I take it he'll be much slower than Pac as well. If anything, a KO for Shane can come only from pure chance I think.

 

Pac - Man in 8

... Money May is ducking Pacquiao, he is attempting to retire rich and undefeated. Unless by a stroke of luck Mosely wins or Pacquiao is past his prime we will never see Mayweather vs. Pacquiao.

Please don't make me talk to you like an asshole...
 

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