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12/26/11

So round 1 decisions are out at almost all the b-schools, and a bunch of people I know have been fortunate enough to get into top programs. They're obviously ecstatic, as they should be. Congrats to all of you guys who got in! Your hard work has paid off, and you can now relax and enjoy the holidays. Best of luck as you guys embark on the 2 most exciting and transformational years of your lives.

Comments (268)

In reply to monty09
1/2/12
monty09:
Brady4MVP:
happypantsmcgee:
Brady4MVP:

ANT, to be honest I was never a big fan of east coast girls.

When did they move Boston off of the East Coast?! You fuckers need to keep me in the loop.

Lol. At least boston has tons of college girls.

they do?

Boston has like 40 colleges. It's one of the best places to be a student, in my opinion. Sure, the girls aren't as hot as the ones in west coast or the south, but if you're a HBS student you get your pick of the litter.

Accepted.com
1/2/12
1/3/12

Brady, where in Boston do HBS guys hang out? I've never run into one.

1/3/12

I ran into some HBS guys and girls at the Wendy's in my home town...they had there HBS jackets on....

The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee

WSO is not your personal search function.

In reply to bfin
1/3/12
blackfinancier:

I ran into some HBS guys and girls at the Wendy's in my home town...they had there HBS jackets on....

Those jackets are pretty fucking awesome.

In reply to monty09
1/3/12
monty09:

litter of what?

I literally spit out my coffee when I read this. Priceless.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

In reply to Brady4MVP
1/3/12
Brady4MVP:
monty09:
Brady4MVP:
happypantsmcgee:
Brady4MVP:

ANT, to be honest I was never a big fan of east coast girls.

When did they move Boston off of the East Coast?! You fuckers need to keep me in the loop.

Lol. At least boston has tons of college girls.

they do?

Boston has like 40 colleges. It's one of the best places to be a student, in my opinion. Sure, the girls aren't as hot as the ones in west coast or the south, but if you're a HBS student you get your pick of the litter.

I went to school in the Boston area, and HBS guys do not get their pick of the litter. College athletes do. HBS students get the leftovers.

In reply to jimbrowngoU
1/3/12
jimbrowngoU:
Brady4MVP:
monty09:
Brady4MVP:
happypantsmcgee:
Brady4MVP:

ANT, to be honest I was never a big fan of east coast girls.

When did they move Boston off of the East Coast?! You fuckers need to keep me in the loop.

Lol. At least boston has tons of college girls.

they do?

Boston has like 40 colleges. It's one of the best places to be a student, in my opinion. Sure, the girls aren't as hot as the ones in west coast or the south, but if you're a HBS student you get your pick of the litter.

I went to school in the Boston area, and HBS guys do not get their pick of the litter. College athletes do. HBS students get the leftovers.

Not true at all.

In reply to SDBall22
1/3/12
SDBall22:

Brady, where in Boston do HBS guys hang out? I've never run into one.

They hang out in both cambridge and boston. Lot of nice clubs and lounges.

1/3/12

Brady, what is your basis? Your HBS buddies? Again, I went to school in Boston, still live here - girls don't care if you go to HBS or not. Sure, it's a nice-to-have, but if you're a douche, it's not getting you anywhere. And if you're talking about picking chicks up at bars, you have no chance with UG girls - they'll view your 30-year old ass as a creep. If they're looking to hook up, they want the athletes or the hot guys that are 21, not an old man from HBS. Sure, maybe you'll do well with the late-20s, early-30s crew looking to settle down, but "pick of the litter"? Gimme a break dude.

In reply to jimbrowngoU
1/3/12
jimbrowngoU:

Brady, what is your basis? Your HBS buddies? Again, I went to school in Boston, still live here - girls don't care if you go to HBS or not. Sure, it's a nice-to-have, but if you're a douche, it's not getting you anywhere. And if you're talking about picking chicks up at bars, you have no chance with UG girls - they'll view your 30-year old ass as a creep. If they're looking to hook up, they want the athletes or the hot guys that are 21, not an old man from HBS. Sure, maybe you'll do well with the late-20s, early-30s crew looking to settle down, but "pick of the litter"? Gimme a break dude.

First of all, the people i know at HBS are 25-27 years old. They're smart, articulate, and in good shape, not some old overweight creeps. They and their single classmates do very well with the women in boston. If you don't want to believe that, it's fine by me.

1/3/12

1.) I've met Brady. Yes, he is just as "grass is greener" in person and, despite being a successful proprietary trader, is almost as negative about his current situation as he comes off online. However, he looks nothing like a fat old creep.

2.) The problem is that Brady doesn't do anything. He works, he goes home, he exercise, he goes to bed. Brady only drinks socially and tries not to go out of his way to do so. Meanwhile, he sits in a city near some of the best freshwater diving on earth, he walks by the greatest art museum this side of the Atlantic on his way to work every morning, and does everything he can to avoid getting involved in the city's organizations, adventures, and comeraderie.

3.) UPenn *FORCED* their undergrads to get out of their shell, which is what Brady remembers. Nobody is doing that for Brady in Chicago, but frankly, HBS- or any graduate school- is not going to do that for Brady either.

4.) Call me an atheist existentialist, but to a large extent, your social situation is what you make of it.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
1/3/12
IlliniProgrammer:

1.) I've met Brady. Yes, he is just as "grass is greener" in person and, despite being a successful proprietary trader, is almost as negative about his current situation as he comes off online. However, he looks nothing like a fat old creep.

2.) The problem is that Brady doesn't do anything. He works, he goes home, he exercise, he goes to bed. Brady only drinks socially and tries not to go out of his way to do so. Meanwhile, he sits in a city near some of the best freshwater diving on earth, he walks by the greatest art museum this side of the Atlantic on his way to work every morning, and does everything he can to avoid getting involved in the city's organizations, adventures, and comeraderie.

3.) UPenn *FORCED* their undergrads to get out of their shell, which is what Brady remembers. Nobody is doing that for Brady in Chicago, but frankly, HBS- or any graduate school- is not going to do that for Brady either.

4.) Call me an atheist existentialist, but to a large extent, your social situation is what you make of it.

IP, I'm actually involved in more community service stuff, along with professional networking groups. They've actually been rewarding and fun, but I'm still looking for something more, which b-school will provide.

I will definitely look into hang gliding once the weather gets warmer. Sounds like a blast.

1/4/12

Just got off the phone with a friend who's a first-year at Wharton. Him and his school buddies went to utah for a ski trip and then rio, where they went to a crazy beach party on new year's eve. He said it's only been 4 months since school started, but he's already having more fun than at any other point in his life. Pretty fucking wild.

In reply to Brady4MVP
1/4/12
Brady4MVP:

Just got off the phone with a friend who's a first-year at Wharton. Him and his school buddies went to utah for a ski trip and then rio, where they went to a crazy beach party on new year's eve. He said it's only been 4 months since school started, but he's already having more fun than at any other point in his life. Pretty fucking wild.

SIKK BRO

In reply to Brady4MVP
1/4/12
Brady4MVP:

Just got off the phone with a friend who's a first-year at Wharton. Him and his school buddies went to utah for a ski trip and then rio, where they went to a crazy beach party on new year's eve. He said it's only been 4 months since school started, but he's already having more fun than at any other point in his life. Pretty fucking wild.

Why didn't you just go with them?

And these kinds of trips are pretty common for undergrads as well.

1/4/12

I am heading up to Ellenville, NY this weekend for some hang gliding. Charge down the ramp towards a rocky dropoff, sail over the roadway, do a couple figure eights, and land the thing with a dive more aggressive than a hungry raven and do a no-step landing with a nice flare. Craw!!!!!

Then, being too thrifty to go out to the Pink Elephant and drop $1500/bottle to celebrate and tell folks "Hey babe, I'm a hang gliding pilot" like some people would, I will buy a few cans of PBR, go home, and drink.

If I go back to grad school and wind up at a crazy northeastern school, I will not have time to do that anymore.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
1/4/12
IlliniProgrammer:

I am heading up to Ellenville, NY this weekend for some hang gliding. Charge down the ramp towards a rocky dropoff, sail over the roadway, do a couple figure eights, and land the thing with a dive more aggressive than a hungry raven and do a no-step landing with a nice flare. Craw!!!!!

Then, being too thrifty to go out to the Pink Elephant and drop $1500/bottle to celebrate and tell folks "Hey babe, I'm a hang gliding pilot" like some people would, I will buy a few cans of PBR, go home, and drink.

If I go back to grad school and wind up at a crazy northeastern school, I will not have time to do that anymore.

Pink Elephant has been closed for years illini, 1Oak is the place to be now

In reply to seedy underbelly
1/4/12
seedy underbelly:
Brady4MVP:

Just got off the phone with a friend who's a first-year at Wharton. Him and his school buddies went to utah for a ski trip and then rio, where they went to a crazy beach party on new year's eve. He said it's only been 4 months since school started, but he's already having more fun than at any other point in his life. Pretty fucking wild.

Why didn't you just go with them?

And these kinds of trips are pretty common for undergrads as well.

They're also common post-undergrad / post-mba for people who are in their 20s/30s and care about having an active lifestyle. Just sounds like two weekend trips...

The advantage of having fun outside of school years is that you don't have to get into debt to travel extensively, nor do you have to worry about exams, interviews, job apps while you party...

In reply to Relinquis
1/4/12
Relinquis:
seedy underbelly:
Brady4MVP:

Just got off the phone with a friend who's a first-year at Wharton. Him and his school buddies went to utah for a ski trip and then rio, where they went to a crazy beach party on new year's eve. He said it's only been 4 months since school started, but he's already having more fun than at any other point in his life. Pretty fucking wild.

Why didn't you just go with them?

And these kinds of trips are pretty common for undergrads as well.

They're also common post-undergrad / post-mba for people who are in their 20s/30s and care about having an active lifestyle. Just sounds like two weekend trips...

The advantage of having fun outside of school years is that you don't have to get into debt to travel extensively, nor do you have to worry about exams, interviews, job apps while you party...

I can't speak for others, but in my case it's very tough to co-ordinate trips with friends when we're all working. Different schedules, not everyone can take time off, etc. It would be a miracle to go on a trip abroad with more than 3 friends. In b-school, however, everyone is pretty much on the same timeline, and going somewhere with lik 10-20 people is quite common.

In reply to Brady4MVP
1/4/12
Brady4MVP:

It would be a miracle to go on a trip abroad with more than 3 friends. In b-school, however, everyone is pretty much on the same timeline, and going somewhere with lik 10-20 people is quite common.

You need a wingman, not an airforce.

1/4/12

hey brady what if no one wants to go on a trip with you in b-school bro

1/4/12

I can't say I understand the appeal of traveling abroad for two weeks with 20 people. I did that in undergrad, but it was all partying and sightseeing. I could do that just as easily in the U.S. without spending money on a plane ticket. I didn't really feel like I was in another culture unless I spent a couple months or longer living abroad by myself. That's the way to do it in my opinion.

In reply to Brady4MVP
1/4/12

I see your point Brady,

It might be difficult to co-ordinate schedules with friends, but I've found its useful to organise a trip with one friend and then ask others to join. It usually works out well.

I prefer smaller groups though. The only trips that I've been on with more than 10 people were weddings abroad.

Anyway, are you applying for Round 2 this year? Only a few days left for HBS, Stanford and a few others.

In reply to Relinquis
1/4/12
Relinquis:

I see your point Brady,

It might be difficult to co-ordinate schedules with friends, but I've found its useful to organise a trip with one friend and then ask others to join. It usually works out well.

I prefer smaller groups though. The only trips that I've been on with more than 10 people were weddings abroad.

Anyway, are you applying for Round 2 this year? Only a few days left for HBS, Stanford and a few others.

I see the appeal in travelling in a small group. I've barely travelled, something I deeply regret. So it will be good to cram those lost years and lost experiences into 2 years in b-school.

I'm applying next year. Need time to raise my gmat, do more extracurriculars, etc. Getting a new job would be ideal too, but that's a lot tougher to do.

1/4/12

Brady, Don't put it off too long. Your current role sounds pretty interesting.

I'm sitting the GMAT in a couple of days. Will apply Round 2 HBS/Stanford/Columbia if I get 700, or close to it. I'll apply Round 3 to Wharton/INSEAD regardless of my GMAT.

Travel is great. I've never regretted any of the trips I've taken no matter how short. I think you should definitely do an exchange programme when you're in B-School.

Accepted.com
1/5/12

I can't read this anymore - Brady, just fucking travel now...round up some of your buddies and take a fucking trip. I understand it is difficult to get work off, but everyone can at this stage. A lot of my buddies and I work in top finance positions and we always find time to take a "sick" trip - please stop talking like this. A ski trip and Rio is not that big of a fucking deal, and I promise they will let you on the lift without your HBS hoodie on.

"Jesus, he's like a gremlin; comes with instructions and shit"

In reply to Relinquis
1/5/12
Relinquis:

Brady, Don't put it off too long. Your current role sounds pretty interesting.

I'm sitting the GMAT in a couple of days. Will apply Round 2 HBS/Stanford/Columbia if I get 700, or close to it. I'll apply Round 3 to Wharton/INSEAD regardless of my GMAT.

Travel is great. I've never regretted any of the trips I've taken no matter how short. I think you should definitely do an exchange programme when you're in B-School.

Relinquis, best of luck with your apps. Isn't round 2 due like early next week?

I decided to wait until next year, so I can beef up my extracurriculars and think more deeply about my career goals. I've been talking to a lot of people about this, so hopefully my essays next time around will be so sharp they will give adcom a paper cut.

1/5/12

Hang gliding? Get on my level and get your pilot's license. The only thing more bad ass than unpowered flight is cruising at 120 knots, 250 feet over the coastline and checking the surf.

1/5/12

hit me up... i am ready to travel and not in b school

In reply to eriginal
1/5/12
eriginal:

Hang gliding? Get on my level and get your pilot's license. The only thing more bad ass than unpowered flight is cruising at 120 knots, 250 feet over the coastline and checking the surf.

That costs tens of thousands of dollars. Hang gliding only costs thousands. And I can fit the glider on the roof rack of my rusty honda.

But seriously, both are fun, but hang gliding leaves you out in the elements. It's completely quiet other than the sound of the wind. Oh, and most gliders let you do aerobatics.

When I prove P=NP and make billions off the markets, I will probably buy an airplane. (Not too expensive, probably a single-engine Cessna).

In reply to Brady4MVP
1/5/12
Brady4MVP:
Relinquis:

Brady, Don't put it off too long. Your current role sounds pretty interesting.

I'm sitting the GMAT in a couple of days. Will apply Round 2 HBS/Stanford/Columbia if I get 700, or close to it. I'll apply Round 3 to Wharton/INSEAD regardless of my GMAT.

Travel is great. I've never regretted any of the trips I've taken no matter how short. I think you should definitely do an exchange programme when you're in B-School.

Relinquis, best of luck with your apps. Isn't round 2 due like early next week?

I decided to wait until next year, so I can beef up my extracurriculars and think more deeply about my career goals. I've been talking to a lot of people about this, so hopefully my essays next time around will be so sharp they will give adcom a paper cut.

Thanks. Practising GMAT questions and emailing my references at the moment. Yeah, it's only 4 days or so from the round 2 deadlines for HBS/Stanford. Wharton & INSEAD are already in round 3. I had originally decided to get my MBA 2 years ago, but then got an opportunity I couldn't pass so pursued that instead.

I don't really have extracurriculars worth mentioning so I'm relying on the strength of my work experience primarily and the essays / recommendations. My background is pretty unique, so I think the admissions will either love me or hate me.

Don't over-estimate your competition for HBS/Wharton. Good luck with your applications / goals.

In reply to Relinquis
1/5/12
Relinquis:
Brady4MVP:
Relinquis:

Brady, Don't put it off too long. Your current role sounds pretty interesting.

I'm sitting the GMAT in a couple of days. Will apply Round 2 HBS/Stanford/Columbia if I get 700, or close to it. I'll apply Round 3 to Wharton/INSEAD regardless of my GMAT.

Travel is great. I've never regretted any of the trips I've taken no matter how short. I think you should definitely do an exchange programme when you're in B-School.

Relinquis, best of luck with your apps. Isn't round 2 due like early next week?

I decided to wait until next year, so I can beef up my extracurriculars and think more deeply about my career goals. I've been talking to a lot of people about this, so hopefully my essays next time around will be so sharp they will give adcom a paper cut.

Thanks. Practising GMAT questions and emailing my references at the moment. Yeah, it's only 4 days or so from the round 2 deadlines for HBS/Stanford. Wharton & INSEAD are already in round 3. I had originally decided to get my MBA 2 years ago, but then got an opportunity I couldn't pass so pursued that instead.

I don't really have extracurriculars worth mentioning so I'm relying on the strength of my work experience primarily and the essays / recommendations. My background is pretty unique, so I think the admissions will either love me or hate me.

Don't over-estimate your competition for HBS/Wharton. Good luck with your applications / goals.

If I'm not mistaken, you're in real estate private equity, right? If you work for a blue-chip company and/or have done something interesting regarding work (international, non-profit, startup, etc), then you could get by with weak extracurriculars. That is not the case with me, so i think doing some extra stuff could help. But ultimately this process is pretty random, so you never know. I was a bit stunned I didn't get in last year, but my friends read my essays and thought they were god awful.

1/5/12

Brady, Monty, come on out to NY. You are aware of my situation and how I might be taking off for a month or so this summer. If you have a lot of time off, I will be upstate going hang gliding every day. And if you get started as soon as spring hits,

Brady, on the one hand, you DESERVED to get in.

On the other, the process isn't necessarily random. Deep down, I think you know you were rejected for a reason. It all came down to your essays. You have a much stronger resume than I do, but your resumes just sunk you. The admissions committee looked at your resume, probably got really excited, then looked at your essay and sighed. Here's a kid who thinks B-school is his only hope.

Call up the admissions commitee in May and find out for yourself. Most schools, especially Columbia, will give you a debrief. Princeton doesn't afford their rejects that luxury. I will never know why they ultimately rejected me. It hurts, but I am not going to obsess about it. Landing on the trading floor three weeks after my rejection saved me two years of grad school, anyways.

Brady, you've got to have a strong voice in your essays. That comes from knowing who you are as a person, knowing your strengths, being able to admit/accept and laugh about your weaknesses, and having the circumspection to realize that B-school isn't quite all it's cracked up to be. Finally you need to accept the fact that you can succeed- heck, you already HAVE succeeded- without an MBA.

PS: your b-school friends are probably totally jealous of you. Successful prop trader living in Chi-town? He must pick up lots of cute girls from Loyola all the time. And he can afford a car! Maybe I'll make as much as him when he graduates.

The reason the grass is always greener on the other side of the road is that your neighbors only fertilize their front yard and the back is behind the house.

1/5/12

@Brady: Just a question, and I don't intend to sound rude, why don't you just start at any B-school if you're craving its social atmosphere so much? Duke-Fuqua is a great social environment as are NYU-Stern and UCLA-Anderson. And none of them are particularly difficult to get into, especially for someone from your background (Ivy --> Hedge-Fund).

In reply to seedy underbelly
1/5/12
seedy underbelly:

@Brady: Just a question, and I don't intend to sound rude, why don't you just start at any B-school if you're craving its social atmosphere so much? Duke-Fuqua is a great social environment as are NYU-Stern and UCLA-Anderson. And none of them are particularly difficult to get into, especially for someone from your background (Ivy --> Hedge-Fund).

My primary reason is professional, mostly to get into investment management or a more fundamental based hedge fund. Schools outside of the M7 get almost no buyside recruiting, and i have no interest in banking, consulting, F500, or other "typical" jobs that mba grads get.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
1/5/12
IlliniProgrammer:

Brady, Monty, come on out to NY. You are aware of my situation and how I might be taking off for a month or so this summer. If you have a lot of time off, I will be upstate going hang gliding every day. And if you get started as soon as spring hits,

Brady, on the one hand, you DESERVED to get in.

On the other, the process isn't necessarily random. Deep down, I think you know you were rejected for a reason. It all came down to your essays. You have a much stronger resume than I do, but your resumes just sunk you. The admissions committee looked at your resume, probably got really excited, then looked at your essay and sighed. Here's a kid who thinks B-school is his only hope.

Call up the admissions commitee in May and find out for yourself. Most schools, especially Columbia, will give you a debrief. Princeton doesn't afford their rejects that luxury. I will never know why they ultimately rejected me. It hurts, but I am not going to obsess about it. Landing on the trading floor three weeks after my rejection saved me two years of grad school, anyways.

Brady, you've got to have a strong voice in your essays. That comes from knowing who you are as a person, knowing your strengths, being able to admit/accept and laugh about your weaknesses, and having the circumspection to realize that B-school isn't quite all it's cracked up to be. Finally you need to accept the fact that you can succeed- heck, you already HAVE succeeded- without an MBA.

PS: your b-school friends are probably totally jealous of you. Successful prop trader living in Chi-town? He must pick up lots of cute girls from Loyola all the time. And he can afford a car! Maybe I'll make as much as him when he graduates.

The reason the grass is always greener on the other side of the road is that your neighbors only fertilize their front yard and the back is behind the house.

Thanks once again for your words of wisdom. Yeah, my essays were weak. It was mostly my fault, no way i'm making the same mistake again.

Haha. I know for a FACT that my b-school friends don't envy me. They're having the time of their lives, becoming friends with really smart interesting people, networking with elite firms, etc.

In reply to Brady4MVP
1/6/12
Brady4MVP:

If I'm not mistaken, you're in real estate private equity, right? If you work for a blue-chip company and/or have done something interesting regarding work (international, non-profit, startup, etc), then you could get by with weak extracurriculars. That is not the case with me, so i think doing some extra stuff could help. But ultimately this process is pretty random, so you never know. I was a bit stunned I didn't get in last year, but my friends read my essays and thought they were god awful.

Yeah. REPE. Have done a stint at a blue-chip type company and have done a lot of international work / worked in several countries as well as a bit of Intrapreneurship / entrepreneurship. My network is very global, so I'm banking on that part of my experience.

I guess I really need to focus on my essays so that this comes through.

1/6/12

Brady needs this: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240529702043...
At $40-$60 an hour, much cheaper than HBS or going to ski trip or something.

1/6/12

^^ what happens when the woman finds out that the two guys aren't even really friends? And that she was picked up by a professional, basically? This service does not sound like it will lead to long-term relationships. The entire foundation is a prefabricated lie.

On the other hand....Brady should definitely use it!!!

In reply to Relinquis
1/6/12
Relinquis:
Brady4MVP:

If I'm not mistaken, you're in real estate private equity, right? If you work for a blue-chip company and/or have done something interesting regarding work (international, non-profit, startup, etc), then you could get by with weak extracurriculars. That is not the case with me, so i think doing some extra stuff could help. But ultimately this process is pretty random, so you never know. I was a bit stunned I didn't get in last year, but my friends read my essays and thought they were god awful.

Yeah. REPE. Have done a stint at a blue-chip type company and have done a lot of international work / worked in several countries as well as a bit of Intrapreneurship / entrepreneurship. My network is very global, so I'm banking on that part of my experience.

I guess I really need to focus on my essays so that this comes through.

You have a sick resume. Assuming you get 700+ on the GMAT and write solid essays, you should have no problem getting into a top 5 b-school.

1/6/12

I love answering Brady's posts

- I went to that same party in Rio as a freshman undergrad. Drinking Veuve at 6 am in the morning with your close friends while you are surrounded by hundreds of thousands of beautiful people waiting for the sunrise does not require an MBA.

- I coordinated a trip to Dominican shortly after graduating. some people were in school, others were on their 3rd year of work. Its easy you just need the DRIVE to do it.

- Prop traders make good money. I'm sure you make more than 2x of what I make right now. Yet last year I went to Dominican, Chicago, and South America, and this year I'm going to New Orleans (for mardi gras, with three other friends and meeting friends from Chicago there) and Abu Dhabi.

- Based on what I read on this thread, I can see that A. You don't have any friends and B. you say you WANT to travel, but in reality you don't, probably because you are afraid of not having the "fun" you've never had.

- Let me tell you one thing, the alpha males and fun people at HBS are NOT going to invite you to their trips. You're just going to have to settle for the Treks organized by the student clubs.

1/6/12

- Let me tell you one thing, the alpha males and fun people at HBS are NOT going to invite you to their trips. You're just going to have to settle for the Treks organized by the student clubs.

Why would you want to hang out with these people?

I have a decent number of good friends. The last time I had a friendship that didn't work out well was in fifth grade. After that, I resolved to use a system of making friends that made people select me for who I was. It wasn't the in-crowd, but it was a set of people I could count on.

1.) Set a fun trip with ambitious goals that requires a bit of a commitment. (Mt. Kilimanjaro, hang gliding, etc.)
2.) Invite anybody and everybody who wants to come along.
3.) Let the self-selection do the filtering.
4.) Awesome way to make *good* friends.

- I coordinated a trip to Dominican shortly after graduating. some people were in school, others were on their 3rd year of work. Its easy you just need the DRIVE to do it.

You need one other person to really commit to it and agree to help organize it with you. When two people are going, it's a lot easier to sign up and be the third. Then you get a waterfall of fourth, fifth, sixth, etc, until you've got a really fun group.

But there's so much to do out here in the Northeast. Even in Chicago. There's the Warren Dunes in Michigan- some of the coolest foot-launch hang gliding between Pittsburgh and Texas. There's some cool wreck diving off the coast of Chicago- and it's in nice freshwater Lake Michigan. You don't even need to rinse anything off when you get out of the water.

There's rock climbing up in Devil's Lake and at the Mississippi Palisades.

Oh, and Lake Michigan offers awesome sailing opportunities.

All of these activities require just a car rental and a day (maybe two) during the weekend.

Your friends will self-select depending on what you organize. To hell with the alpha males. You're smarter and better than they are, they're too dumb to realize it, and trying to prove it to them or trying to be friends with them on any set of terms but your own is simply not worth your time.

- Based on what I read on this thread, I can see that A. You don't have any friends and B. you say you WANT to travel, but in reality you don't, probably because you are afraid of not having the "fun" you've never had.

I think Brady's friends issues stem from the fact that he doesn't get out much. He practically works in the shadow of the Art Institute but doesn't get involved there. He volunteers every once in a while on the weekends, and during the week, he works, goes home, and sleeps.

The way you get out of this situation is to either join a bunch of clubs or discover the joys of drinking Goose Island beer with your friends. Saying "hey, let's go grab a beer" and heading across the street really isn't that difficult, and suddenly, you've gone from being a loner to an inviter.

Also, day trips really aren't that complicated and are generally pretty low risk.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
1/6/12
IlliniProgrammer:
eriginal:

Hang gliding? Get on my level and get your pilot's license. The only thing more bad ass than unpowered flight is cruising at 120 knots, 250 feet over the coastline and checking the surf.

That costs tens of thousands of dollars. Hang gliding only costs thousands. And I can fit the glider on the roof rack of my rusty honda.

But seriously, both are fun, but hang gliding leaves you out in the elements. It's completely quiet other than the sound of the wind. Oh, and most gliders let you do aerobatics.

When I prove P=NP and make billions off the markets, I will probably buy an airplane. (Not too expensive, probably a single-engine Cessna).

Always frugal IP, true to form. In all seriousness, I do really want to try hang gliding at some point in my life - seems like a great way to be in nature and I assume probably feels closer to actual flying. Pretty dangerous sport though from what I hear compared to flying a small single engine plane as I'm sure your aware.

You don't need billions to get licensed or buy an airplane. I got my pilots' license while in high school, working telemarketing part-time back in '07. The PPL cost me around 10K and I would argue it is the best investment I've made in my life thus far. I currently spend about 300 a month renting a Piper Cherokee which is very inexpensive considering.

You can buy a decent plane for ~70K (none of that Cessna garbage - the inherent stability and control layout is junk.) The hangar, upkeep and insurance will probably only cost you ~30K a year. Not only is it fun, but if you are an established professional with free time on the weekends, the travel possibilities are endless. Since you literally walk out to your plane and fly - there is no 'dealing' with airports and freedom from roads+130 knot cruising speed will quarter your travel time.

1/6/12

$30K/year, there you go. The $70K price tag doesn't hurt, but the $30K/year in operating costs is the killer.

Out of curiosity, how do you handle getting around once you land at the airport? The two GA fields I've been to- Wurtsboro and Middleton in upstate New York- don't exactly have a taxi stand and a Hertz desk.

Also, don't planes rent by the hour? How do they handle time spent on the ground away?

1/6/12

I agree the 30K would be an issue, but if you travel frequently the forgone time in route would pay for itself.

That is probably one of the bigger issues of traveling to remote locations. But if you are willing to spend 30K a year in operating, 2K for a dependable form of transportation at frequent vacation spot wouldn't be a killer. In a side note, I only say 30K in operating because although hangar fees will only run you ~5k a year, insurance ~10K a year, the engine rebuilds and general maintenance required by the FAA is pretty expensive.

You are correct, planes do rent by the hour. I fly about 3 hours per month - the Piper 181 I rent costs 95/hour, so 300/month is a pretty good estimate of what I spend.

All planes are equipped with Hobbs meters which measure engine revolutions and roughly work out time in the air (at close to full power.) These 'engine hours' are how people typically pay for rental planes as most engine maintenance required by the FAA is also required base on engine hours. Basing both off of this metric helps the Flight Clubs match revenues with expenses and also gets rid of the problem of ground time you mentioned. This also works out well if you take your rental plane on a trip as most flight clubs don't charge you by the day but again by the Hobbs time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobbs_meter

1/7/12

$30K/year? That's crazy. How many people in our age range can actually afford that? For that amount you could probably get a netjet card, granted you won't be able to use it that often.

1/7/12

Actually, there are airplane clubs for this sort of thing:
http://www.flyingclub.org/

$2.5K in capital + $1800/year + $120/hour rental fees. (The $120/hour is charged on flying time Say you take a trip to Virginia Beach. That's a three hour flight each way. You stay down there for a week. They charge you $720- just for the flight time, not the week.)

Not exactly a cheap hobby, but clubs make it a little less expensive.

In reply to Brady4MVP
1/7/12
Brady4MVP:

$30K/year? That's crazy. How many people in our age range can actually afford that? For that amount you could probably get a netjet card, granted you won't be able to use it that often.

net jets are like 130k for 25 hours. But yes recreationaly flying is an expensive hobby...just not as expensive as traveling via private jet.

In reply to Bondarb
1/7/12
IlliniProgrammer:

Actually, there are airplane clubs for this sort of thing:
http://www.flyingclub.org/

$2.5K in capital + $1800/year + $120/hour rental fees. (The $120/hour is charged on flying time Say you take a trip to Virginia Beach. That's a three hour flight each way. You stay down there for a week. They charge you $720- just for the flight time, not the week.)

Not exactly a cheap hobby, but clubs make it a little less expensive.

Yes, I am part of a flight club and I only pay $95/hour with no down payment or monthly fees. The one you quoted seems ridiculously overpriced - no disrespect I just want to make sure you have your facts straight before you write recreational flying off as an expensive hobby. As a member of my flight club I also have the option to take the plane on week long trips where again, I only pay $95/hour for the flight time.

The prices I quoted were for the actual ownership of a plane; something that is only worthwhile if you log a LOT of flight time or you like the idea of owning a plane. Since I only fly several hours a month, $3600 a year to rent is really not that bad considering what I do with it.

Bondarb:
Brady4MVP:

$30K/year? That's crazy. How many people in our age range can actually afford that? For that amount you could probably get a netjet card, granted you won't be able to use it that often.

net jets are like 130k for 25 hours. But yes recreationaly flying is an expensive hobby...just not as expensive as traveling via private jet.

Private jet? Are you serious Brady? Bondarb is right on the money; net jets run in the 6-figure range while actual jet ownership runs in the 8-figure range... hardly 30K. I thought this was a finance forum, what's with all the frugality for something that is clearly a superior mode of transport?

1/7/12

Brady, don't complain or feel like you missed out. No one really gets to travel all that much anyway. When I graduated, I lived in China and traveled to work in India and Sri Lanka, and that is the extent of my 'travels'. Yeah, you get your vacations, but I've always seen traveling as putting aside 6 months+ and just hitting the road, not these business school travels that you seem to fawn over.

In reply to FinancialNoviceII
1/7/12
FinancialNoviceII:

Brady, don't complain or feel like you missed out. No one really gets to travel all that much anyway. When I graduated, I lived in China and traveled to work in India and Sri Lanka, and that is the extent of my 'travels'. Yeah, you get your vacations, but I've always seen traveling as putting aside 6 months+ and just hitting the road, not these business school travels that you seem to fawn over.

Yeah, I guess it's the whole "grass is greener" on the other side syndrome. My b-school friends constantly send me texts and e-mails about how much fun they're having and all the cool stuff that goes down. And my 20's pretty sucked, to be honest, so i see b-school as a time of social and personal redemption.

1/14/12

At Wharton now, here are my $0.02

1. Grade non-disclosure => grades don't matter => people are chill/want to learn for learning's sake - which bugs the Wharton undergrads to no end. Also there are less eager beaver competitive types than you'd expect since a lot of people got that out of their system during their BB analyst stints, and we've been in the working world before and can see through some of the BS. So we tend to get grumpy when we're at school later than 8 doing school work.

2. Recruiting is intense, especially for finance people, but starts halfway through the fall and usually ends before spring break 1st year.

3. Socially, people are more mature, have perspective, and are less cliquey. I've made some good friends from Latin America, Europe, and Israel who I would have never had any reason to hang out with in undergrad. It's just great being around young motivated peers who have time AND cash (regardless of whether that's debt or equity) now and want to scratch some items off their bucket lists (hence the traveling).

4. Wharton throws some good parties, but its not like girls are going to get completely trashed and hook up with guys like at undergrad parties. Older and wiser I guess. Also, I'd estimate about 1/3 of the class is married or in serious relationships. On the flip side, a lot of single Wharton girls are on the "husband hunt" - but their clocks are ticking so they want commitment not just sloppy drunk sex. Also, there's a giant gossip column in the school paper and Follies at the end of the year.

We do ok outside of Wharton - not because MBAs are automatically "alpha" but because on average we tend to be socially well adjusted and (somewhat) successful. It's not like we're crashing sorority parties (that would be creepy), but med/law/nursing/other grad students along with college seniors who are "so over college guys" are usually interested. Also, there's the whole city of Philadelphia.

The list thing is true, but is really a desperate measure of the last resort for when the class spends a week in Miami right before graduation. Hopefully by your late 20s you'd have grown the balls to just hit on girls directly.

So in conclusion, its not a continuous booze and sex fueled party, but its still pretty awesome being back in school and having time to do fun stuff with a big group of like minded people while retooling your career.

1/14/12

See, there's the realistic perspective you need. A lot of what Brady mentions is partially accurate, the problem is that the man is obsessive to the point of neurosis and it's appalling. To be honest, what waterboy wrote is fully what I imagined. Thank you for sharing, it's a shame the SB/MS system is down or I'm sure you'd be showered with bananas right now.

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In reply to waterboy
1/14/12
waterboy:

At Wharton now, here are my $0.02

1. Grade non-disclosure => grades don't matter => people are chill/want to learn for learning's sake - which bugs the Wharton undergrads to no end.

Apparently that's not what bugs Wharton undergrads. The fact that their MBA program is "so shitty in comparison to the legendary undergrad program" does.

-Direct quote from a toolish wharton undergrad at a recent conference

In reply to waterboy
1/14/12
waterboy:

At Wharton now, here are my $0.02

1. Grade non-disclosure => grades don't matter => people are chill/want to learn for learning's sake - which bugs the Wharton undergrads to no end. Also there are less eager beaver competitive types than you'd expect since a lot of people got that out of their system during their BB analyst stints, and we've been in the working world before and can see through some of the BS. So we tend to get grumpy when we're at school later than 8 doing school work.

2. Recruiting is intense, especially for finance people, but starts halfway through the fall and usually ends before spring break 1st year.

3. Socially, people are more mature, have perspective, and are less cliquey. I've made some good friends from Latin America, Europe, and Israel who I would have never had any reason to hang out with in undergrad. It's just great being around young motivated peers who have time AND cash (regardless of whether that's debt or equity) now and want to scratch some items off their bucket lists (hence the traveling).

4. Wharton throws some good parties, but its not like girls are going to get completely trashed and hook up with guys like at undergrad parties. Older and wiser I guess. Also, I'd estimate about 1/3 of the class is married or in serious relationships. On the flip side, a lot of single Wharton girls are on the "husband hunt" - but their clocks are ticking so they want commitment not just sloppy drunk sex. Also, there's a giant gossip column in the school paper and Follies at the end of the year.

We do ok outside of Wharton - not because MBAs are automatically "alpha" but because on average we tend to be socially well adjusted and (somewhat) successful. It's not like we're crashing sorority parties (that would be creepy), but med/law/nursing/other grad students along with college seniors who are "so over college guys" are usually interested. Also, there's the whole city of Philadelphia.

The list thing is true, but is really a desperate measure of the last resort for when the class spends a week in Miami right before graduation. Hopefully by your late 20s you'd have grown the balls to just hit on girls directly.

So in conclusion, its not a continuous booze and sex fueled party, but its still pretty awesome being back in school and having time to do fun stuff with a big group of like minded people while retooling your career.

Thanks for your input. Very interesting stuff and totally in line with what my friends have told me as well. Spending 2 years at a top b-school, enjoying both the professional and social opportunities without having to work full-time, is truly amazing. It's something money cannot buy.

1/14/12

Why do you always talk about it as if it's something that you've experienced first hand?

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1/14/12

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Dude, Brady. Best of luck with getting in. You are either crazy or obsessed. Regardless, best of luck and hope it does live up to what you imagine. In my opinion, the more hype there is, the harder it is to live up to.

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1/15/12
Ari_Gold][quote=Brady4MVP:

Dude, Brady. Best of luck with getting in. You are either crazy or obsessed. Regardless, best of luck and hope it does live up to what you imagine. In my opinion, the more hype there is, the harder it is to live up to.

Thanks bro. I definitely need all the luck I can get. I fantasize every day about being at a M7 b-school. There's nothing in life that I want more.

In reply to Brady4MVP
1/15/12
Brady4MVP][quote=Ari_Gold:
Brady4MVP:

Dude, Brady. Best of luck with getting in. You are either crazy or obsessed. Regardless, best of luck and hope it does live up to what you imagine. In my opinion, the more hype there is, the harder it is to live up to.

Thanks bro. I definitely need all the luck I can get. I fantasize every day about being at a M7 b-school. There's nothing in life that I want more.

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1/15/12

Clearly Brady is enjoying this attention he's getting online right now. I'm relatively new here and you sound like a fool. I certainly wouldnt expect any woman to have sex with you. I wouldnt. No matter how much prestige you throw in my face. You sound like a tool.

You wouldnt want anything more in the world then business school? Really?

In reply to SpanishBuzz
1/15/12
SpanishBuzz:

Clearly Brady is enjoying this attention he's getting online right now. I'm relatively new here and you sound like a fool. I certainly wouldnt expect any woman to have sex with you. I wouldnt. No matter how much prestige you throw in my face. You sound like a tool.

When a woman tells you she's not sleeping with you... before you ask... you know you're getting some...

Women are a lot more prestige and status oriented than people give them credit for. A good job or brand name school is a powerful signal that they pick up on instinctively. You can see their pretty little faces light up when you answer the "what do you do?" question...

After a while though, you end up avoiding the career discussion as you want to diligence the girls and find out if they are long term potential or just a bit of fun (i.e. are they good people, or just hot people).

In reply to Relinquis
1/15/12
Relinquis:
SpanishBuzz:

Clearly Brady is enjoying this attention he's getting online right now. I'm relatively new here and you sound like a fool. I certainly wouldnt expect any woman to have sex with you. I wouldnt. No matter how much prestige you throw in my face. You sound like a tool.

When a woman tells you she's not sleeping with you... before you ask... you know you're getting some...

Women are a lot more prestige and status oriented than people give them credit for. A good job or brand name school is a powerful signal that they pick up on instinctively. You can see their pretty little faces light up when you answer the "what do you do?" question...

After a while though, you end up avoiding the career discussion as you want to diligence the girls and find out if they are long term potential or just a bit of fun (i.e. are they good people, or just hot people).

Prestige doesnt work on every girl. I'm speaking subjectively about myself. Sure, there are plenty of women who may find that attractive but I resent your generalization. If some guy comes to me and I make conversation with him and it leads to the question of what he does, his uttering a brand name school wouldnt mean anything to me, unless the guy himself is of substance. Seeing as we are making generalizations, a lot of the guys here would say how much they earned, or where they went to school with a smugness that is so unattractive. The same way men complain about women's attitudes and how some are stuck up, the same applies here. It's a sense of pride for you, I get it, but please spare including me, in that I should be in awe of you.

For you, I doubt you would have many pretty faces light up (again seeing as we are making generalizations). And even if they are impressed and would have sex with you, who do you think is more likely (statistically) to fall deeper then just one night? Yep, you guessed it.

1/15/12

What do you mean when you talk about "substance"? How do you define / ascertain this? I don't get your last paragraph either.

My point is that women are attuned to social status, ambition and the ability to provide / succeed in men. A good career and / or a degree from a prestigious university are signals for the aforementioned attributes in men. That's the point I'm making, it's the same with other signals like confidence, being popular, wealthy, tall, physically strong/fit, etc... None of these signals need to work on every girl for them to be valid in general.

If you don't believe that, please let me know why girls mention their new boyfriends career / school when they first tell their friends that they have found someone? When is the last time you heard a girl say "I met this great guy last week. I can't live without him. He has the laugh of an angel"? My guy friends say that all the time when they fall for a girl. My female friends usually say something like, "I met this great guy last week, he's a lawyer and went to Yale". They even project that and say "you should meet my friend X, she's a doctor and is super smart".

Why all the hate? Brady will have no problem getting laid while working on his MBA at HBS. Does he need to go to HBS to get laid? No. He seems smart and has a great job. He should be dating the kind of girls he wants now.

1/15/12

Brady bro you make some of the most entertaining threads out there for sure.

I agree with you some point, I have been trying to plan something with my boys from back home for a month now to go to either south america or so in April, it's been a total bitch. Also a lot of my buddies are in med/dental careers so I could not imagine how hard it would be if we were all in finance.

I think the internet and tone get lost that people take some of the comments on here way too seriously.

Lastly, I am sick of hearing undergrad kids compare undergrad to your mid/late 20s and grad school. You cannot compare the two based on $$$, state of mind, and the so-called substance the female posters say in here. Watch Crazy Stupid Love, that's how you drop game once your older not like when you are 20 blacked out drunk and making up shit to make gals laugh and come back to your dorm.

In reply to Relinquis
1/15/12

Relinquis:

When a woman tells you she's not sleeping with you... before you ask... you know you're getting some...

This is a fact of life.

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1/15/12

SpanishBuzz, I don't know you, so I'm going to refrain from making comments about you specifically. However, your tone throughout this thread has been quite condescending, dripping with a sanctimonious attitude.

Stereotypes and generalizations arise precisely because they are grounded in empirical reality. Statements like, "blacks are good at sports" or "Asians are good at math" are stereotypes for sure, but there are basis of truths behind them. Now onto the topic under discussion. The fact of the matter is, women are hardwired through thousands of years of human evolution to seek out men who can protect and take care of them. Back when our ancestors were living in caves, fighting off giant beasts, this necessitated the need for women to find the physically strongest man. Now, as society has gotten much more complex, women want ment who are financially and socially stable, able to take care of them as well as their children. This is where pedigree comes in. Elite schools and jobs serve as a proxy to women for how successful a man is. To deny otherwise would be utterly naive.

And yes, prestige bolsters a man's confidence by a lot. I've seen this from friends who were shy and awkward and are now doing very well because they went to elite schools and are making great money. This is a lot more common than you think.

1/15/12

Brady might be the first person in history to drop $150K for a trip to Aspen and a blowjob.

1/15/12

i am sure they are still shy and awkward......

In reply to Boothorbust
1/15/12
Boothorbust:

Brady might be the first person in history to drop $150K for a trip to Aspen and a blowjob.

No; my primary reason for wanting to go is professional. Given my very specific career goals, an M7 MBA is the only way to achieve it. So in my case, the massive loans is well more than worth it.

In reply to monty09
1/15/12
monty09:

i am sure they are still shy and awkward......

No; they are totally different now. I think you underestimate the power of prestige and status.

In reply to Brady4MVP
1/16/12
Brady4MVP:
Boothorbust:

Brady might be the first person in history to drop $150K for a trip to Aspen and a blowjob.

No; my primary reason for wanting to go is professional. Given my very specific career goals, an M7 MBA is the only way to achieve it. So in my case, the massive loans is well more than worth it.

I know some people who have paid only slightly less then 150k to go to Aspen with no chance of even a blowjob...this is what happens to very rich people with kids and bad marriages!

In reply to Bondarb
1/16/12
Bondarb:
Brady4MVP:
Boothorbust:

Brady might be the first person in history to drop $150K for a trip to Aspen and a blowjob.

No; my primary reason for wanting to go is professional. Given my very specific career goals, an M7 MBA is the only way to achieve it. So in my case, the massive loans is well more than worth it.

I know some people who have paid only slightly less then 150k to go to Aspen with no chance of even a blowjob...this is what happens to very rich people with kids and bad marriages!

Lol. I have no idea why really rich guys even get married.

1/16/12

Lol. I have no idea why really rich guys even get married.

Some people want to have kids and all that stupid shit about raising your offspring that will continue your bloodline and give meaning to your life, I guess.

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