Excluding First Semester GPA

Currently a sophomore at a target school. First semester of freshmen year I had a very poor GPA due to illness and other matters. Because of that my cumulative GPA is around 3.3. I've been managing to get first round interviews at BBs and other places by completely excluding my GPA from my resume due to good previous work experience. However, the lack of a GPA will clearly come up during interviews. Is there any benefit in putting my GPA excluding first semester freshman year (3.6) on my resume or should I just leave it off and explain if it comes up.

 
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An unexplained pro-forma adjusted GPA is always the way to go. (Note: don't do this.)

In all honesty, it depends on your situation. Many people would say that it is always a bad idea to do something unorthodox on a resume, since you never know how a reader will react to it.

I would add that, if the average reader is tossing your resume anyway (i.e., you aren't getting interviews due to your GPA), then you have nothing to lose by trying something else. I've seen people ignore a job listing's requirement to include a GPA on the resume, and get interviews anyway (rarely, but it happens). No reason why offering an additional GPA metric alongside your cumulative GPA would hurt.. and in this case, I think it adds a dimension of insight. However, you absolutely must clearly explain on the resume (in some fashion) exactly what that additional GPA entails, possibly by noting it as a "GPA ex-Sophomore Year."

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What's your major GPA? I don't think it would be a good idea because it actually shows a downward trend in your grades, which isn't good. Also, they can make the assumption that the reason for the lower GPA is because you took harder classes 2nd year (or classes pertaining to your major) and couldn't handle the workload.

 

Honestly, the asterisk is going to raise huge red flags. Your grad GPA is good. I would list the grad GPA and not the UG.

Not to be a dick but, by way of explanation, telling a banker that you had insomnia and thats why you had bad grades is like telling Lance Armstrong you had cancer and that's why you got fat.

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well thanks for the first part, and sorry, but that is being a dick in the 2nd part. Insomnia effects brain function after massive amounts of lost sleep. ever hear people say that after 36hrs of sleep deprivation, your legally drunk. well its true.

Sleep deprivation impairs brain function. point blank. I dont wish insomnia upon my worst enemies.

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yes, yes i do. working 100hrs a week, and living off redbull is not the same. im sorry, but its not

Micro-sleeping, 48 hours straight, impaired immune function, loss of cognitive ability, personal anxiety... Working 100 hours a week then sleeping 4hrs a night is more beneficial (medically) than not being ABLE to sleep for more than 15-45 minutes at a time. Insomnias cant sleep, not cause theyre busy, but because they physically are not able to for long periods of time.

you bankers wear it on your sleeve like a badge of honor. insomniac's understand its a curse.

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Insomnia is a pretty blanket term.... I myself have a sleep disorder and have pretty strong insomniac tendencies (quite severe narcolepsy) that also wasn't diagnosed until well into college and greatly affected my life (esp. academics). The thing is that 'everyone has a sad story' or can make something up if need be and an interviewer, even if they feel for you, likely isn't going to give a shit or can't give a shit since that isn't his job. Also, most people also don't really understand sleep disorders, so you aren't going to be receiving any sympathy from someone who has likely been pulling allnighters since college. Since you have a good graduate GPA, I wouldn't mention it on a resume at all and only mention it in an interview if you are specifically asked about the subpar GPA and you feel necessary it is necessary to provide context to it.

 

Agreed, I had a really similar experience in UG w/ sleep deprivation so I feel you. It sucks dick. Agree with everyone on here to leave it off and don't even bring up sleep deprivation if asked. Just say you had a serious medical ailment during school that effected your school work. They can't legally ask you what it was and even if the find out and don't hire you because of it it's against the law. Good luck trying to prove it, but that's the facts.

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I wouldn't do that. I would simply put it there, develop an effective story as to why your GPA is low, and then accept that you can't do anything about it except crush it for the duration of your tenure.

I think the worst thing you can try and do is run away from your GPA, or put down a 'projected' GPA which I don't personally think would be looked at kindly.

 

The only way you will get close to an interview using any of the proposed methods is by networking a lot and having the opportunity to explain yourself before they see your GPA. You are in a lose-lose situation and should focus on de-emphasizing your resume entirely (which is tough).

 

Actually, the unofficial rule is if you put down your major GPA, your cumulative GPA has to be stated as well. It's best to be transparent and just put down your cumulative GPA. You can explain during the interview if they ask.

 

I'm sorry, man; but you are probably out for MBB, but I think you still have some shots for second-tier consulting firms if you can apply AFTER you finish your senior year (assuming that you can pull your GPA even higher to 3.5+). Good luck!

 

I would keep the 3.46 at 3.46.

As for post 1st year, Slap it on there. I do not think it will hurt, and it actually helped me.

I have a 3.255 (yeah, I know) because I started in Pharmacy. But my sophomore year GPA is a 3.88, so I bolded that ho, and it's been brought up every interview. (granted, i cant land IB, but for finance positions) i dont think you can lose.

Just dont put your 1st year.

When they ask, say it wasnt for me, so i did considerably worse. however, i have shown improvement yaddayadda

 

im actually 3.081 overall, do you think i could pass for 3.1?

also if i left it at 3.46, which is my post 1st year, then i would have to change all gpas to 2 decimals. I understand that 3.5 is sort of the bar so its a bigger deal to round from 3.46 to 3.5 than say 3.36 to 3.4

 

If you put down your post-1st year, or some other non-standard metric it won't really count (bankers just laugh that you had to do that). As to rounding, yes you should put down a 3.5 instead of a 3.46 on your resume, they won't care. However, if a for a specific firm you have to fill out a form that say are you 3.0-3.5 or 3.5-4.0, you are 3.0-3.5.

That 3.081 or whatever is in realy something like 3.08119280123 or some shit, round to a reasonable level, one decimal is fine.

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i had a couple of friends do that because they transfered from being a pre-med to business. usually pre-med classes will lower the GPA considerably (orgo, bio, chem...) so a lot of them will leave pre-med GPAs out of cum GPA.

 

When I review resumes, there are only 2 GPAs I will look at, cumulative and major. If your major GPA isn't higher than your cumulative thats a ding. A much higher major GPA can redeem you, especially since most places you don't choose a major right away and can get away from those "pre-med" classes or whatever.

You can always discuss in a cover letter, or in an interview why your GPA is what it is, but at the end of the day saying, "I didn't work hard enough my freshman year" isn't gonna cut it.

To the OP, put cumulative and major GPA, round to one decimal.

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