Obama comes out of closet in support of gay marriage
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-announces-his-support…
Didn't see that one coming. Election years are sure something.
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Well, it's not that groundbreaking, is it? Given his actions on Don't Ask, Don't Tell and Defense of Marriage.
It's like when the guy who loves appletinis comes out of the closet.
A) How is this coming out of the closet?
B) How is this at all shocking?
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Pretty big story considering he's never actually supported the legalization of same-sex marriage and is now the only President in history to have done so. It's an obvious political move intended to motivate his disenchanted liberal base but this will no doubt be a big issue come Novemeber.
I'm still baffled that anyone gives a shit who bangs who in their homes, married or otherwise.
not as shocking as when this baller came out da closet
http://www.youtube.com/embed/zFosUj6A22c
just lol
It's about time. There are ZERO practical arguments against gay marriage.
Jeeeeeeeeeeezzzuuusssssss does not equal a practical argument.
Except, why do we want to extend a system that has a >50% divorce rate, billions of dollars in divorce lawyer fees, and broken homes to the gays? :)
Michelle Obama is really Michael Obama, Barrack's husband.
is it me or is michelle O a bit lazy eyed?
Obama is a somewhat subtle homophobe, not surprising it took this long. North Carolina's vote just gave him the political capital to do this.
EDIT: I'm not saying I agree or disagree, that's just how this president operates.
Finally, I lost all respect in the beginning for him when he was a complete coward over DADT.
Obviously a political calculation, although a very shrewd one if you ask me.
Also, about damn time.
this is so unimportant....though it raises an interesting debate on whether or not same-sex parents are a detriment to a young child that they choose to raise.....I personally don't care about orientation, but having two moms or two dads has to have some effect (positive or negative) on a child, right?
http://www.youtube.com/embed/yMLZO-sObzQ
It actually does. Many people believe that there is no effect, but sociologists argue that there are definitely difference (keep in mind "differences" does not mean better or worse). For example, a male raised by lesbians is less likely to be aggressive.
The only travesty that occurred in North Carolina is that straight people are still being shackled by the government. Why people look towards the government to affirm their personal choice is beyond me.
Gotta love the sheep. Lining up to get their government approved document, signed by the government authority, "sanctifying" a personal decision. Where do I sign up to have my retina signed or have the Gestapo provide me with my college authorization permit.
A marriage is simply an agreement of two people to legally bind themselves. This can be accomplished through a legal document, without government. Why does anyone care what government recognizes or not.
You can't say this.
There are huge advantages to being "married" in the eyes of the legal system - everything from taxes and tax credits, Estates, spousal benefits for military, etc.
I am for marriage equality. What I have trouble with is the current trends for gay couples to "create" there kids in labs. Hetro, Metro, Homo, whatever you are... creating your kid in a damn petri dish shouldn't happen.
And I am 100% against all of those things. Government doesn't exist to manipulate my social activities. Single people should not be punished and married people should not be rewarded. People who own homes should not be encouraged while people who own apartments are penalized.
Government should tax and provide services, such as national defense, foreign affairs, post office, etc. Government has ZERO business giving married people benefits.
I am against government sponsorship of straight marriage.
Cool story BRObama. See ya at the DMB concert.
(But seriously, about damn time)
Two lesbians raising a kid can't be any worse than the kids being not raised in the hood.
This is a dumb issue for Obama to speak out on. People who support gay marriage would never vote Republican anyway so coming out for this doesn't gain you any votes. Gay marriage isn't a big voting issue for independents who really only give a shit about the economy. If anything this just enrages people against Obama and makes people who always support him happy.
Happy to know that Obama cares about gay marriage and kids being shot in Florida while we have +8% unemployment and horrendous labor participation rates (oh and record deficits).
Dear Obama, could you PLEASE focus on the economy and ignore this other bullshit.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america…
What is important to voters:
Economy 82% Health Care 62% Gov't Ethics and Corruption 61% Taxes 60% Energy Policy 54% Education 54% Social Security 53%
http://www.youtube.com/embed/b92vAucJg2Y
marriage is an awful choice anyway you chop it up, same sex or otherwise. just ban marriage all together already
He said he supports it, not that he was going to do anything about it - that would be news.
Obama is still culturally conservative. His affirmation of supporting gay marriage is really just a well-timed political calculation to win more independent and issues-specific voters, reengage the youth, and rile up the party base.
Very interesting to see how Obama's support of gay marriage will affect the church-going black and latino vote, who strongly supported him in 2008. GOP has an opportunity to capitalize on this weakness with contrasting anti-gay marriage rhetoric and Marco Rubio running with Romney.
Also very interesting to see if the Democrats can leverage the gay marriage issue to divide-and-conquer Tea Party voting bloc between the Religious Right-esque/Tea Party populists and the more socially liberal Tea Party libertarians.
Also very interesting to see if Romney's views on gay marriage will be back-pedaled, soft-pedaled, or unchanged based on Obama's future gains in election polling as a majority of Americans support gay marriage (53% support, 35% oppose).
Grab your popcorn, folks, this show's just getting started.
^^ If that is your position ANT, it is extreme but fair.
I still think most people really don't care
You need to ask yourself, if the argument FOR gay marriage is that the government shouldn't regulate what people do in their own lives, why is the government rewarding people for what they do?
Remember now, that benefits afforded married people, especially in the form of tax deductions are paid for from single people. Why is the government rewarding people for getting married, straight, gay or otherwise?
Why does the government have laws against incest? Who cares?
Canada doesn't reward home ownership, why are we doing it here? Why am I, as a renter, paying for homeowners to deduct interest payments? Why am I, a person without kids, paying taxes to support tax credits for people who choose to have kids?
See dude, it is all about government manipulation in your personal life. The fact that gay's want to buy into this control is the illusion of choice. Everyone, gay and straight, should be fighting to get government out of their business.
I stand by my comment.
I'm not rehashing the capitalist anarchy vs socialism debate. It's just so overdone on this forum.
For better or for worse, this country passes laws and provides incentives to reward behaviors viewed as favorable to society.
I'm just saying that gay marriage should be equal in rights, privilege, and standing to straight marriage.
You're probably right but at least Jon Stewart will be more entertaining than usual tonight.
i'd like to legally marry my cat, because if i die i don't like any of my human relatives enough to leave my stuff to them
Marriage (also called matrimony or wedlock) is a social union or legal contract between people that creates kinship. The definition of marriage varies according to different cultures, but is usually an institution in which interpersonal relationships, usually intimate and sexual, are acknowledged.
Gay and Straight people can already get married. This is a non issue. North Carolina simply decided to not extend tax deductions to gay couples. This is an entitlement issue and more tax deductions.
We need to focus on removing tax deductions since it punishing non married people.
However, if we assume as a given that benefits will be extended to straight people who marry, shouldn't gay people who wish to marry be afforded the same rights? In other words, is the situation that you describe in North Carolina "wrong?"
EDIT:
Apparently you already answered my questionNorth Carolina is wrong, yes. But it is wrong for a lot worse reason than gay marriage. Citizens are using government as a weapon. Just like people use it to tax others punitively.
This is why pure Democracy is bad. This is why we have a Constitutional Republic. The people needs to be restricted according to the Constitution.
Yes, gays should be able to marry. People should be able to have 6 wives. Parents should be able to fuck grown kids (consenting).
I, as a private citizen, should be restrained from using the government as a weapon against people I disagree with. Furthermore, I should be prevented from using the government to redistribute wealth to things I think are right, but the government has no business doing.
Why do people get tax credits for buying green cars when I get nothing and walk to work every day (the greenest form of transportation)?
See man, the issue isn't gay marriage, the issue is why the government has anything to do with marriage to begin with.
You are correct. I 100% agree with you.
Straight marriage should 100% be equal in rights, privilege, and standing as Gay marriage.
Gay marriage is the perfect model of how marriage should be. The war is about making straight marriage the same. No government oversight. No tax deductions. No interference.
I had something to say on this, but I realized that getting into an Argument with TNA would just not work at any level.
LOL Oh now. I am done with my rant. I have to go read.
Let the non radical anti government arguments ensue in my absence.
TNA, I would have definitely continued the ranting and raving with a treatise covering constitutionality, validity and the idea of the abrogation of the rights of man, but I said fuck it. It's just not worth the hassle of getting into a constitutional argument with you.
TNA are you medicated?
TNA are you medicated?
OK TNA I AM GOING TO ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS
ARE YOU UPSET A BLACK MAN IS RULING OVER YOU
HE WAS ONE OF THE KIDS WHO YOU WOULD SCOFF AT FOR ASKING FOR MONEY
HE WAS ONE ONE OF THE KIDS FROM DEVRY THAT DREAMED OF GETTING INTO THE GOLDMAN SACHS
HE WAS ONE OF THE KIDS WHO SAID HAVE NO FUTURE
HE ROSE UP IN TIME OF TRIBULATIONS TO LEAD THIS NATION, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA OUT OF GREAT DEPRESSION 2.0 WHEN THOSE CRIED THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T DO HE STOOD IS GROUND AND SAID THE BAIL OUT IS NEEDED. IN TODAY MAY 9TH 2012 WE SEE HE WAS TRUTHFULL ON THIS PROMISE
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i end my argument in lowercase and with this quote to turn you into the light
“Without faith, hope and trust, there is no promise for the future, and without a promising future, life has no direction, no meaning and no justification.”
I have no words
That was glorious.
it's all true. but when he asks for money now, we gotta empty our wallets or have our day in court with the IRS.
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