Screamed At
One time my associate screamed at me for an hour straight -- no exaggeration
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yeah thats pretty common, associates take their frustration out on analysts, thats a given. dont worry, once you become an associate, you will enjoy the same power.
does the amount you get yelled at matter with how cute you are? I know this one guy who is soooo metro and he never gets yelled at. as for myself, im the only girl in the lbo group, and i dont get yelled at either. i guess the skirts from burbery help....
it's so bogus
I'm an associate and I have never yelled at an analyst. It just means your associate is weak and doesn't understand how to deal with you appropriately.
have never been scolded by an associate. it never looks good on the associate's evaluations either when senior bankers see that kind of behavior. no need to argue back and it's important that you respond well to criticism.
Agreed. It is quite common that senior people would take their anger on the juniors. The best analysts are the ones who keep their mouth shut and do what they are told to do. The less thinking, the less emotions, the less suggestions you make, the more valued you are. The seniors want to hear what they want and you have to tell them what they want to hear. Otherwise you are f*ed...this is how this industry works. It is unfortunate but it's true....there are some exceptions (i.e. some groups have nice people, but for the most part, the ppl you work with are total asswholes)
well no respect to you guys if you are ltting these wankers get their frustration out on you. WHo the helll are they, to be able to do that? you must be a gimp to think that someone who is just 1 or 2 steps senior than you has the power to do that for no reason. Protect you rep!
what is one to do, scream back? nothing will happen short term/openly, but come eval/bonus time don't be surprised... 20k for standing your ground? that's about as worth it as Zidane "defending his honor" by getting tossed in the WC final...
this is the beauty of the IB bonus system. Think they have it just to say "thanx for a job well done" at the end of the year?
and by the way, 1-2 steps seniority diff in banking is a lot. There are only 4 or 5 steps total anyways, and the top guy makes a hundred times what the bottom guy does...
Its been my experience that bad associates are more likely to lose their cool than really good ones - since they feel less able to fix whatever it is that they're yelling about...
Wow, that sounds terrible. Hope I never come across a guy like that.
"To Know Me Is To Love Me"-Jebus Price
Until you have been told to take your head out of your a$$ by an MD you haven't lived...
Sounds miserable
now i've developed a skill to ignore all these shouts and screams and rants and just focus on my work... And hey isn't he so fkng ugly! Nature took revenge on my behalf.
you might get some respect for just making a reasoned justifiable response... always be calm ;)
my md made 4 girls cry (at different times) when i was an analyst.
Funny... I got told to pull my head out of my ass yesterday, via fax.. Another great quote from that fax: 'This is where ridiculous meets stupid'
Does all of this cross the line to being abusive and perhaps illegal?
It's not illegal to shout at people at work.
seem really mean, especially considering the hours and effort put by analysts
ya man....seems like hes gettin too much of it
went to a funeral for an ex-girlfriend who passed away following a freak accident. I took the afternoon off to drive 4 hrs to the funeral and was back at my desk the next day mid-morning. I was told that only direct family member funerals were acceptable (this was first one I had ever missed work for)!
Yea its brutal. But at the end of the day, you make it sound like you didn't even pass it by your MD before leaving and it came to you as a surprise. Either way, you still got the job right? So in the end they did let it go...maybe they were just grouchy...
I don't know...on paper its often extenuating family circumstances that get you the leave. But hmm..that is quite heartless.
had my MD's OK, it was actually my VP (no associate in the group). He was a total a-hole and insecure because he couldn't handle having to answer numbers questions without me being at his side (i was only gone for less than 24hrs). During one deal I was told to stay at my desk 24/7 when he was at meetings in case he needed me to look up something or answer a question. I had to get my assistant to pick-up lunch for me on those days. Again he was a total a-hole!!!
You should move to a different bank. That is ridiculous and would never happen at the bank where I work.
Amazing how so many of the officers are helpless with excel/modeling...we may be lowest in the pyramid, but we are most certainly the foundation.
To an extent they probably once were just as adept but when you stop using things you forget. I was once fully fluent in French, 7 years of no usage and its not so good anymore LOL...
Imagine the MD eh? Many years removed from the DCF already! I remember my interviewers were MD's...but the technical questions had to be done by people no higher than Associates. The MD's just weren't sharp anymore with their quants.
Not from the forum, but somewhere else... I recall reading something that went like this:
An analyst was called into an MD's office and was asked to close the door behind him so that the MD could go off on a tyrade and yell at the analyst to the point of exhaustion. Afterwards, when the analyst opened the door and walked out of the MDs office, he did so with a huge smile on his face. His peers asked "what's with the grin?" The analyst replied "He knows my name!!"
This is tame....
I wouldn't say anything then at work, but I'd ask him for a fair one outside of work, and if he said no, I would just whoop his ass and quit.
this is indeed scary
do you people work? Just so I can avoid the "screaming" firms. Thanks.
does Morgan Stanley in london still have the guy with the baseball bat on one of thier trading desks?
that sucks alot
my associate once came to my desk, grabbed my arm, and took me to a conference room so that he could scream at me. a conference room with glass walls, so that all the secretaries saw what happened. i walked off the assignment, and he had to finish the model himself.
I was told, at an interview no less, of a punch-up that had happened between two guys just recently. Apparently the investigation was ongoing but they were going to let it slide because there was "no CCTV footage from the room".
That was the same firm where another guy I had worked with previously had ended up putting one on somebody whilst out in Tokyo.
Surprisingly I chose to work elsewhere...
You're 5.5 years late, bro
U know how I would deal with it? I would keep staring and smilling at him, say nothing, making him a total jerk.
Yeah, throwing in the odd giggle and wink. I'd have great fun with it but I'd probably get fired.
If you get screamed at by many people, you have an issue; if the guy screams at you and also at many others, s/he has an issue. Bad apples will always be discarded in the end.
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