Is College as Useless as They Say ?

Hello fellow monkeys !

Even though going to college is a no-brainer for 99% of those interested in finance, students (like myself) will always wonder about the actual value of their shiny and expensive college degree. If you accept to be slowly crushed by college debt, you might as well learn something usefull. DonVon had his own opinion in his blog post three days ago, although from my understanding you never really learn in college what you will do on the job. But then, regardless of your field/major, how much of what you learn in college will you/do you actually use ?

First, there are many examples of people IB who do not come from a finance- or STEM-related background. The example of WSO's favorite Michael Lewis comes to my mind: an Art History major who ends up on the trading floor (okay, he went to LSE, but getting there with a degree in Art History is odd). Another name to drop is Hank Paulson's. The guy studied English at Dartmouth, no honors or cum laude, and ended up at the head of GS for seven years. Two good examples of outsiders who made a left their mark on the industry.

I had a talk with an Economics professor the other day about this. He worked 20+ years at JPM starting as an analyst and left as a MD, with some experience picking new analysts and associates. He told me that - some years ago - they did not necessarily hire that many business undergrads. In fact, they tended to have a strong showing of philosophy, science, and liberal arts students. From what he told me, what mattered most was the prospective student's ability to see precise parts of a bigger picture and to infer correlations and causality in everyday situations. He also stressed the importance of being autonomous and able to learn quickly on the job.

The Association of American Colleges and Universities did a study of the top ten things employers look for in students, and this is what they found:

  • The ability to work well in teams—especially with people different from yourself
  • An understanding of science and technology and how these subjects are used in real-world settings
  • The ability to write and speak well
  • The ability to think clearly about complex problems
  • The ability to analyze a problem to develop workable solutions
  • An understanding of global context in which work is now done
  • The ability to be creative and innovative in solving problems
  • The ability to apply knowledge and skills in new settings
  • The ability to understand numbers and statistics
  • A strong sense of ethics and integrity

I would personnaly expect better teamwork spirit from a Theater major than from a finance major. Likewise, I know that most Economics major are not that creative. Therefore, it would be wise to recognize certain qualities that "unconventional majors" have.

All in all, you'll probably fare better by studying what you like at 110% than by studying something you hate but with better opportunities. Needless to say, you will also have a much nicer time in college. Furthermore, a Biology major who has done extensive research in his field, an Modern Languages major who has been published, or a Philosophy major who has won state/nation-level moot court can bring things that many "conventional majors" cannot. Anyway, do not let yourself be defined and do your best whenever you can. That usually gets rewarded.

 

FFS another one of these.

Even engineers use very little of what they learned in school on the job. Graduating with a BEng proves that you can work long hours, and that you can do math.

Going from art history at LSE to finance is not odd at all.

Paulson went to an Ivy, was a member of Phi Beta Kappa, an all-star football player, and got his MBA from Harvard - He is THE prototypical banker.

College is essentially a socialization process. It teaches people how to walk, talk, and act like members of the middle or upper class (depending what school they went to). The real queston: Is college worth the cost? Like anything else, for some people the answer is yes, for others the answer is no.

No more of these threads.

 

The problem with college is that everyone is doing it nowadays. I'd imagine there was a time when going was actually a "decision", not just what you do after high school. When that was the case, it was actually an accomplishment and meant something. Today, at most schools probably 30% of the student body have ANY reason to be there. The rest are just completely going through the motions because college has simply become "the thing to do" after high school. And obviously when too many people do something, its efficacy gets watered down.

As far as how to keep the people who shouldn't even be there (i.e. the VAST majority) out, I have no idea. But I'd imagine throwing them money to be able to attend when, money aside, they shouldn't be there anyway- will definitely help (government ftw!)

 

OP, you've been a member for 26 weeks, and you still don't get it...

I guess I'll say one more time what's been said ad nauseum on this site for the last 7 years.

If you go to a target, major doesn't matter. If you go to a non-target, like yourself, study finance or STEM.

 

It boggles my mind the endless stream of posts like this. Simply proves that humans have an issue learning since this topic has been beat into the ground and is easy to understand after a couple hours on this site.

If you go to an Ivy League university, study whatever you want in a good market. In a bad market, try and study economics. Boom. Simple.

If you don't go to an Ivy League university, study finance, accounting, engineering, etc.

Banks that hire art history majors from Harvard are hiring a Harvard grad, not a fucking art history major. Banks that hire a finance grad from Illinois, Michigan, UVA, whatever, are hiring a finance grad, not the school you went to. Realize that brand will get you the job if the brand is tops and if the brand isn't tops you need to have a skillset.

It amazes me how people fight against the concept of learning something you don't want to in college, but have this pipe dream of being in finance, a career based on doing shit you don't want to do. If you can't swallow the thought of learning accounting in college instead of your "passion" have fun being motivated turning a pitch 100x on a Saturday night instead of doing something more enjoyable.

And this concept that college is an experience is exactly why fuckers are $100K in debt. Go travel, join toastmasters and play a sport. That will give you all the people skills you need without the six figure anchor around your neck. College is about getting an education and having classmates challenge you.

But alas, this is simply pissing in the wind.

 
TNA:
It boggles my mind the endless stream of posts like this. Simply proves that humans have an issue learning since this topic has been beat into the ground and is easy to understand after a couple hours on this site.

If you go to an Ivy League university, study whatever you want in a good market. In a bad market, try and study economics. Boom. Simple.

If you don't go to an Ivy League university, study finance, accounting, engineering, etc.

Banks that hire art history majors from Harvard are hiring a Harvard grad, not a fucking art history major. Banks that hire a finance grad from Illinois, Michigan, UVA, whatever, are hiring a finance grad, not the school you went to. Realize that brand will get you the job if the brand is tops and if the brand isn't tops you need to have a skillset.

It amazes me how people fight against the concept of learning something you don't want to in college, but have this pipe dream of being in finance, a career based on doing shit you don't want to do. If you can't swallow the thought of learning accounting in college instead of your "passion" have fun being motivated turning a pitch 100x on a Saturday night instead of doing something more enjoyable.

And this concept that college is an experience is exactly why fuckers are $100K in debt. Go travel, join toastmasters and play a sport. That will give you all the people skills you need without the six figure anchor around your neck. College is about getting an education and having classmates challenge you.

But alas, this is simply pissing in the wind.

This

"They are all former investment bankers that were laid off in the economic collapse that Nancy Pelosi caused. They have no marketable skills, but by God they work hard."
 
<span class=keyword_link><a href=/company/trilantic-north-america>TNA</a></span>:
finance, a career based on doing shit you don't want to do

Not directing this at you, TNA, but wanted to comment on how fucked up it is that this is a universally accepted fact about finance - particularly on this site. I think it's time for people to learn that they can still make good money and get where they want to be without being an indentured servant. Problem is, I think 95% of people in the field aren't actually interested in what they're doing and just want the money... and the bigger problem is if you don't like it you probably won't excel at it.

This parallels pretty well with college. If you're learning a bunch of shit you hate you're going to do bad and it's gonna make your education a waste of time and money at the end of the day. To me, college sucked really bad because over half the time we're forced to learn about Greek mythology or some bullshit I could care less about... and sadly the other half of the time was business stuff that I more or less could give a shit less about as well since it wasn't practical it was theoretical or too formulaic for my taste. "Get in, get out" is my advice on college because that's my personal experience with it, but there's so many people that love learning for the sake of learning that it's safe to say college (academically) is exactly what you make of it.

Tl;dr... There's no answer to OP's question, and we've answered it a million times before.

I hate victims who respect their executioners
 

to be honest, i actually really enjoy learning in college. i think college as an educational institution is useless because most professors are fucking useless, atleast as teachers. biggest scam occupation in the world. textbooks have been my teacher my entire life.

 

This is a stupid idea if you're gunning for a finance job and a poor rationalization for getting a degree in a field with no real-world applicability (modern languages is a good example). Nobody in finance will give a shit if you think it's interesting. They will think you're just another dumbass entitled student who thinks 'adding value' will consist of 'thinking creatively' and getting starbucks with coworkers instead of sitting in your cubicle 80 hours a week on excel.

 
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You will, in general, find that people on this board (not exclusive to this board, but it seems almost endemic to the mentality here) routinely shit on the humanities and social science majors as being an almost immoral rip-off to students who are paying full tuition, and that anything that isn't a STEM, Finance, Business or Economics undergraduate degree is a permanent waste of space. This is pretty consistent with the view most people have when they start out that the technical skills are the most important, with soft skills becoming exponentially more important as a function of time.

I would say that first of all, if you aren't smart and willing to hustle, it doesn't matter what you study; similarly, if you're smart and willing to hustle, it ALSO doesn't matter what you study.

(Let that sink in - it's a strong statement and I don't want to hear some ultraliberal or ultra-traditional risk-averse type come and float the straw man that I am pooh-poohing education; the above simply matters a lot more than anyone selling you tuition will ever admit to).

This is more true in the long-run than in the short-run. In the short-run, the more technical, applicable or preprofessional your course of study is (where engineering, business, economics and applied math leading the pack), then the earlier you can hit the ground running. The benefits of the liberal arts education are conducive to the sought-after skills quoted by the OP, but they're much harder to prove, and if you choose this path, you will always be at a disadvantage to the folks who had a more formal application.

The senior ranks of Wall Street and the buy side show a healthy distribution of undergraduate disciplines. That seems, to me, fairly consistent with what I described above.

The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be the shepherd.
 
jtbbdxbnycmad:
You will, in general, find that people on this board (not exclusive to this board, but it seems almost endemic to the mentality here) routinely shit on the humanities and social science majors as being an almost immoral rip-off to students who are paying full tuition, and that anything that isn't a STEM, Finance, Business or Economics undergraduate degree is a permanent waste of space. This is pretty consistent with the view most people have when they start out that the technical skills are the most important, with soft skills becoming exponentially more important as a function of time.

I would say that first of all, if you aren't smart and willing to hustle, it doesn't matter what you study; similarly, if you're smart and willing to hustle, it ALSO doesn't matter what you study.

(Let that sink in - it's a strong statement and I don't want to hear some ultraliberal or ultra-traditional risk-averse type come and float the straw man that I am pooh-poohing education; the above simply matters a lot more than anyone selling you tuition will ever admit to).

This is more true in the long-run than in the short-run. In the short-run, the more technical, applicable or preprofessional your course of study is (where engineering, business, economics and applied math leading the pack), then the earlier you can hit the ground running. The benefits of the liberal arts education are conducive to the sought-after skills quoted by the OP, but they're much harder to prove, and if you choose this path, you will always be at a disadvantage to the folks who had a more formal application.

The senior ranks of Wall Street and the buy side show a healthy distribution of undergraduate disciplines. That seems, to me, fairly consistent with what I described above.

This is a great post and jtbbdxbnycmad is exactly right. Anyone who doubts this should print out his post, roll up the piece of paper, and hit themselves in the head with it repeatedly until it sinks in.

Technical or hard majors have an advantage right out of the gate because they bring a useful skill to the job on day one.

Liberal arts degrees (obtained by smart hardworking students) provide a wide range of skills and offer the chance to develop non-linear critical thinking skills that a lot of technical majors lack to the same degree.

You need both to rise to a high level in any career, Wall Street or otherwise. I'm not sure it matters what order they are acquired in provided you can get your foot in the door. What I can tell you is that the technical aspects of finance can be learned in 6-12 months by a motivated person of above average IQ, and over time the value of a finance degree declines pretty significantly in a peer group of other majors -- the out of the gate advantage fades.

Source: Engineering degree, philosophy degree, CFA. Only the phil degree is worth anything for what I do IMO.

Having hired both, I would prefer a technical major for an entry level job where I don't want to hand hold. I need someone who is up or can move up the curve very quickly. For mid level and above, I would always prefer someone with a liberal arts background, all else equal, assuming they had good experience. Almost all of the best investors in the world are liberal arts majors and there's a reason for that.

 

The formal CEO of Bear Sterns was a college drop-out. Yes, if you are a reasonably intelligent and driven guy, you absolutely don't need college education to work in IBD.

College education is there just for screening purposes. If you go to a top school and get top GPA, good internships, etc, it just helps employers see through your potential and signal your credibility easier. If college education is not required for entry level gigs, there is no way employers could screen and choose their future employees effectively, since the amount of people who would qualify to apply for the jobs would be fucking insane.

What I have problem is not that college is required for jobs despite the fact that college education is not necessary to do well on the job, but the fact that the tuition level is so fucked up and crazy expensive as shit. Also, those Harvard English or Government majors who got jobs at BB IBD are lucky bastards. There are many other humanities grads from Ivies who end up unemployed, or end up in shitty commission-only sales jobs at horrible companies.

 
Sexy_Like_Enrique:
The formal CEO of Bear Sterns was a college drop-out. Yes, if you are a reasonably intelligent and driven guy, you absolutely don't need college education to work in IBD.

College education is there just for screening purposes. If you go to a top school and get top GPA, good internships, etc, it just helps employers see through your potential and signal your credibility easier. If college education is not required for entry level gigs, there is no way employers could screen and choose their future employees effectively, since the amount of people who would qualify to apply for the jobs would be fucking insane.

What I have problem is not that college is required for jobs despite the fact that college education is not necessary to do well on the job, but the fact that the tuition level is so fucked up and crazy expensive as shit. Also, those Harvard English or Government majors who got jobs at BB IBD are lucky bastards. There are many other humanities grads from Ivies who end up unemployed, or end up in shitty commission-only sales jobs at horrible companies.

I agree that colleges serve primarily as a screening process. IMO the best option for screening without having to waste 4 years and >200K would be a series of standardized tests for breaking into banking. 1 to test general intelligence and 1/2 to test technicals, these tests would be given at the end of a 3-6 month course on banking fundamentals. This would cut out a lot of inefficiency.
 

It's a screening process for one. And while even for a finance major 90% of what you learn isn't relevant to your future job taking ~120 credit hours of college courses, writing papers, taking exams, etc. all make you a more intelligent and organized person in general. In addition you're much more mature at 22 compared to 18.

 
Studiofan:
If an English or Poli- Sci major from Harvard can land an I-Banking gig at BB, spending 4 years of his/her life learning about stuff that is largely irrelevant to I-banking, why do banks need to hire college graduates at all? If you really don't use anything you lean in college learn on the job, whats the point of college at all for I-Banking. I know this may sound crazy, but couldn't a highly motivated/intelligent HS student take some sort of 3 month prep course on pure technicals and a 1 year internship and be just as prepared if not more prepared for a banking gig than a non Finance major from a target school?

This should be corrected to say "stuff that is largely irrelvant to your first 3 weeks of I-banking"

being generally well read, a good writer, well mannered, thoughtful and connected/networked - these are things you can obtain at (good) colleges and that will be much more valuable to a long term career in finance than some undergrad financial modeling course.

the question should not be "why do ib's hire college grads" but rather "why do ib's hire undergrad business majors," as many of the above skills are more suited to a liberal arts background.

 

Some things that puzzle me about college education are: 1) why it has to be 4 fucking years, 2) why it costs fucking 50k a year to attend an Ivy college, 3) why colleges, largely, teach the same shit as high school (outside of engineering, math, or CS), 4) why law, med, or dental schools aren't college-level but at grad school-level, hence forcing future doctors, lawyers, or dentists to do unnecessary amount of schooling. (in many other countries, medical or law schools are done straight at undergrad level, hence reducing the tuition and opportunity costs)

Also - I think there are just way too many useless shit majors at each college, and these majors need to be eliminated. A lot of people graduating with religions, history, or Psychology end up unemployed or end up folding clothes at GAP.

 

The problem is you: get a life. If you are doing college right, you'd wish college lasted longer

Sexy_Like_Enrique:
Some things that puzzle me about college education are: 1) why it has to be 4 fucking years, 2) why it costs fucking 50k a year to attend an Ivy college, 3) why colleges, largely, teach the same shit as high school (outside of engineering, math, or CS), 4) why law, med, or dental schools aren't college-level but at grad school-level, hence forcing future doctors, lawyers, or dentists to do unnecessary amount of schooling. (in many other countries, medical or law schools are done straight at undergrad level, hence reducing the tuition and opportunity costs)

Also - I think there are just way too many useless shit majors at each college, and these majors need to be eliminated. A lot of people graduating with religions, history, or Psychology end up unemployed or end up folding clothes at GAP.

 
Sexy_Like_Enrique:
Also - I think there are just way too many useless shit majors at each college, and these majors need to be eliminated.

I get what you're saying, but that just seems like a ridiculous thing to do. Besides, if people want to pick a major that makes them less competitive than me, go right ahead...

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Sexy_Like_Enrique:

Also - I think there are just way too many useless shit majors at each college, and these majors need to be eliminated. A lot of people graduating with religions, history, or Psychology end up unemployed or end up folding clothes at GAP.

Disagree.

Who cares what people major in as long as they are studying what they enjoy. It's not always about getting a job. Look at the top regret of people on their death bed: Wishing they had pursued their passion and not live for others. I personally don't want to see a population of nothing but comp sci, finance, engineering nerd/geeks every corner.

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Flip the question around.

If you're a highly educated 21 year-old with a proven work ethic and full of desire to lead a meaningful life, why would you aspire to a job that high-schoolers can do?

The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be the shepherd.
 

It's a fallacy to think that only vocational subjects contribute to one's career. I have a philosophy degree, an engineering degree, and a CFA, and the philosophy degree is by far the most useful for the buy side. I imagine that would apply to banking as well. The math in finance is high school level at best -- most of the value add comes from critical thinking skills and having a strong ability to understand qualitative subject matter. In fact, the vocational finance degree (CFA is basically a Master's) is the LEAST useful of the three to me.

Most of the best investors in the world have "useless shit" degrees. It's not a coincidence.

 
Ravenous:
It's a fallacy to think that only vocational subjects contribute to one's career. I have a philosophy degree, an engineering degree, and a CFA, and the philosophy degree is by far the most useful for the buy side. I imagine that would apply to banking as well. The math in finance is high school level at best -- most of the value add comes from critical thinking skills and having a strong ability to understand qualitative subject matter. In fact, the vocational finance degree (CFA is basically a Master's) is the LEAST useful of the three to me.

Most of the best investors in the world have "useless shit" degrees. It's not a coincidence.

I see what you are saying. However, the problem is for many liberal arts grads to actually get that first job out of college. Many humanities grads, no matter how smart they are, have no chance to prove themselves in a good job or a demanding career since they couldn't land a good job out of college to begin with.

Case in point, even if you have potential to become a stud trader, if you go to a non-target and major in history, there is a very good chance that you won't ever get a job in S&T at a BB, or hell, you might not get any white collar, corporate job at all.

In this age, employers care much more about a guy's marketability and hard skills, more than 'ability to think critically'. That's why kids with engineering, CS, or accounting majors do much better employment-wise, overall, compared to liberal arts kids.

 
Sexy_Like_Enrique:
Ravenous:
It's a fallacy to think that only vocational subjects contribute to one's career. I have a philosophy degree, an engineering degree, and a CFA, and the philosophy degree is by far the most useful for the buy side. I imagine that would apply to banking as well. The math in finance is high school level at best -- most of the value add comes from critical thinking skills and having a strong ability to understand qualitative subject matter. In fact, the vocational finance degree (CFA is basically a Master's) is the LEAST useful of the three to me.

Most of the best investors in the world have "useless shit" degrees. It's not a coincidence.

I see what you are saying. However, the problem is for many liberal arts grads to actually get that first job out of college. Many humanities grads, no matter how smart they are, have no chance to prove themselves in a good job or a demanding career since they couldn't land a good job out of college to begin with.

Case in point, even if you have potential to become a stud trader, if you go to a non-target and major in history, there is a very good chance that you won't ever get a job in S&T at a BB, or hell, you might not get any white collar, corporate job at all.

In this age, employers care much more about a guy's marketability and hard skills, more than 'ability to think critically'. That's why kids with engineering, CS, or accounting majors do much better employment-wise, overall, compared to liberal arts kids.

I completely agree that it's about marketability. You can be the best card player in the world, but if you can't get a seat at the table, it doesn't count for much.

That said, ironically, the best investor I know has a history degree from a non-target.

Also, having gone to a non-target, I can agree that most of the liberal arts majors in such schools are mostly retarded, but some aren't. I know many, many people who went into retail with those degrees, or worse, went to non-target law schools (doubled down on the same mistake).

 

Guys I hate to play devils advocate but yo are missing th whole goddamn point...

Going to college, whatever you major in, is about learning to think critically. I agree that the job market for humanities grads is much tougher. But Hell I was a hug enontarget humanities major and bit a BB ft offer, so it can be done.

Wise guys late in their careers have told that they don't care what college students study because even if they study finance it will largely pale in comparison to what is learned on the job. The ability to think critically and analytically is what is important. a high school student can never think about an issue like a ivy philosophy major.

Whether we like to admit it or not, social sciences really do have their merits and they do contribute to society.

However, I will also admit that a the bid analys level none of these things are particularly relevant..

 

At some point between the ages of 17-23, you're probably going to face a significant life crisis.

In the interest of keeping you the hell away from everyone else, Society has deemed that when this happens, it wants you to be, either:

A) With others going through a similar, crazed transition from adolescence to adulthood, i.e., College

B) At war

Also, drinking. Lots and lots of drinking.

 

I understand the argument that an 18 year-old is not nearly as mature as a 22 year-old, but is it necessary that they have to shell out 200K+ to gain that extra "maturity". I think the system is highly flawed and in 20-30 years we are going to see the rise of "elite" vocational schools that will allow you to become proficciant in your feild of your choosing much quicker and cost effectively than college today touting that "well-rounded" b.s. How does forcing me to take a Spanish or Literature clas that I will skip/cheat/or fail make me well rounded? People are made well rounded by choice, not by being forced to take classes they dont want or need.

 

I'don't know about you, but I think I've learned a shit ton in college. I am a business major, but outside of the core requirements some of the classes that I've taken in Philosophy, History, Political Science, and Economics have really changed and advanced my thought process.

Yes college in the U.S. is ridiculously expensive, but I still wouldn't trade my 4 years of my college experience for anything else.

 
KMD:
I'don't know about you, but I think I've learned a shit ton in college. I am a business major, but outside of the core requirements some of the classes that I've taken in Philosophy, History, Political Science, and Economics have really changed and advanced my thought process.

Yes college in the U.S. is ridiculously expensive, but I still wouldn't trade my 4 years of my college experience for anything else.

Agreed. I'd actually argue that my business courses have actually taught me the least.

 

Ideally, it's about the former. It's about interacting with your peers and pursuing your passions, both academic and extracurricular ones, and in the process becoming a well-rounded confident person ready to succeed in the real world. Theoretically, if you're following your passions and not being lazy, then the good GPA and leadership activities will fall in place and allow you to still get that top job while being true to the college experience.

People will always try to game the system - ie majoring in easy subjects to get a good GPA, majoring in econ/finance even if it's not your number 1 interest (college is the last time you can learn for the sake of learning in a classroom setting - don't waste it on a major you're not really interested in), and joining BS clubs. But people who take that to the extreme will get a rude awakening out in the real world - i.e., all of the book-smart finance nerds with no personality and poor communication skills.

I would say understand both extremes and act accordingly in your best interests. Position yourself well academically so you can land that job, but don't underestimate the importance of becoming "well-rounded" and getting involved in non-academic things since those experiences will simulate the real world better.

 

Getting some ass is by far the only thing college has going for it honestly. While getting a degree is with out a doubt helpful to some extent, I feel that you dont learn the well rounded part in a class room that comes from social interaction, doing stupid shit, all nighters, ect ect. Basicly it gives you a life experience that is quickly becoming the only place kids get a real life experience anymore. One could aruge that college is becoming less of a life experience than it was 20 25 years ago but it is still far more so of a life experience then what kids get anywhere else.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne
 

College is basically just signalling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signalling_(economics)

Other than that, its a tremendous opportunity to grow socially, meet people, etc. Some might argue you could get the equivalent education out of books, and that might have some merit. However, if you take some good classes with good professors/classmates you will learn a lot more and have some really interesting conversations.

looking for that pick-me-up to power through an all-nighter?
 

I go to a commuter school and the closest thing to the "college experience" is the 2-3 hour breaks I have sometimes between classes. Blows. Whatever. I'm here to get a job.

 
jjcannon:
I go to a commuter school and the closest thing to the "college experience" is the 2-3 hour breaks I have sometimes between classes. Blows. Whatever. I'm here to get a job.

Commuting is legitimately one of the worst things you can do to your college experience.

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boutiquebank4life:
I studied finance at wharton and learned more than you apes would in a thousand lifetimes combined.

really? tell that story again

The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee WSO is not your personal search function.
 
boutiquebank4life:
I studied finance at wharton and learned more than you apes would in a thousand lifetimes combined.

You graduated from Wharton witha degree in finance, yet your working at a boutique? Thats about as believable as the time I fucked Megan Fox.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne
 

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