Do Americans seriously buy the US Government's BS???
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on 11/30/11 at 9:01am
They keep trying to insult everyone's intelligence by coming up with the most dumbass explanations for what they do. Case in point, this recent NATO attack on Pakistan. I'm stunned that people buy it. It's the most powerful country in the world, they can do whatever they want. They should just do whatever they want and not even bother explaining. Coming up with BS explanations only infuriates people more.





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Come to think of it, my
Come to think of it, my favorite one is the..."Hey guys, we killed Osama Bin Laden...except we burried him at sea out of respect for Islamic belief that bodies should burried within 24 hours...even though we didn't care about respecting any beliefs when we publicly executed Sadaam Hussein on TV....oh and we also didn't take any pictures of Bin Laden or any other proof...but trust us, we got him!"
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^I still lol to that explanation.
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How is NATO = USA? Also, why
How is NATO = USA?
Also, why would the USA attack a known Pakistani military post for no reason? It makes no sense to enrage a country that we still depend on for help in fighting the Taliban. I really don't think it is outside of the realm of possibility that NATO forces were mistakenly fired on and returned fire not knowing it was an active and under Paki controlled military base.
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I find it hilarious that you
I find it hilarious that you can sit in your office in Toronto and think that you have some higher grasp of how and why the government does the things they do.
As far as your Bin Laden conspiracy theory; don't you think if they were lying the first thing the Taliban would do would be to send out a new video of Bin Laden with the next day's paper in front of him. That would, arguably, do more damage than 9/11 in completely destroying the credibility of damn near everyone in the upper echelons of the US government. But you're right, we're all sheep, thanks for showing me the light.
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happypantsmcgee wrote: I find
I find it hilarious that you can sit in your office in Toronto and think that you have some higher grasp of how and why the government does the things they do.
As far as your Bin Laden conspiracy theory; don't you think if they were lying the first thing the Taliban would do would be to send out a new video of Bin Laden with the next day's paper in front of him. That would, arguably, do more damage than 9/11 in completely destroying the credibility of damn near everyone in the upper echelons of the US government. But you're right, we're all sheep, thanks for showing me the light.
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happy, I don't presume to
happy,
I don't presume to know why the US does what it does, I just know when I smell bullshit. I'm not saying Bin Laden is alive. I think he died years ago and the US has known this but wanted to keep the boogeyman around so they could keep doing what they've been doing. When they decided to pull out, they made up this heroic story about killing him.
ANT,
Who knows what the motive is. All you hear after the NATO attack is that this may put a hold on the US's plans to exit Afghanistan by 2014. Maybe this was the intent because the US decided it wasn't ready to leave after all.
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manbearpig wrote: happy, I
happy,
I don't presume to know why the US does what it does, I just know when I smell bullshit. I'm not saying Bin Laden is alive. I think he died years ago and the US has known this but wanted to keep the boogeyman around so they could keep doing what they've been doing. When they decided to pull out, they made up this heroic story about killing him..
I actually had dinner with Eric Haney in 2007 and he said that Osama Bin Laden had been dead for 2 or 3 years even then so I don't entirely disagree with this.
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manbearpig wrote: happy, I
happy,
I don't presume to know why the US does what it does, I just know when I smell bullshit. I'm not saying Bin Laden is alive. I think he died years ago and the US has known this but wanted to keep the boogeyman around so they could keep doing what they've been doing. When they decided to pull out, they made up this heroic story about killing him.
ANT,
Who knows what the motive is. All you hear after the NATO attack is that this may put a hold on the US's plans to exit Afghanistan by 2014. Maybe this was the intent because the US decided it wasn't ready to leave after all.
You are right, who knows the motives. My whole point is that NATO fired on the base, not necessarily the USA. I've been trying to find an account that says it was only US assets that did this. I think people are a little too quick to blame the US for unchecked aggression.
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Since this actually became a
Since this actually became a serious discussion, here's the real answers.
A. Firing on Paki base: a lot of the outposts on the border are unmanned or semi-abandoned, and non-Paki groups routinely use them to their advantage. Remember that we're dealing with thousands of miles of not-fully-controlled territory...there's a LOT of room for error: US soldiers are only human, mistakes get made, get over it. A side note is this: I've got a family member in that hot zone and according to them, if there's any question about who's firing at you, kill them first and ask questions later. The Pakistanis have been playing both sides of the terrorism thing for FUCKING DECADES, so as you can imagine, no one in the US military gives a fuck if a few of the assholes get whacked incidentally.
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B. Saddam was a secular dictator and it legitmized the power of the new government to kill him. Long live the king, I kill the king, I am the king, long live the king. They bought him on TV in his underwear with a flashlight in his mouth to pop his tough guy image. Then, they turned him over to the Iraqi government for trial. They killed him, we just let due process take place. That's the logic, and yeah, the CIA kept on eye on everything to make sure it went according to plan.
Because that's how we roll.
Osama, on the other hand, was a religious leader and had no actual territory to control. That's why I never bought the bullshit about him working with Saddam: anyone who thinks this is a fucking retard, KISS MY WHITE ASS. Killing him made him a martyr and dumping him into the ocean is the only way of preventing his grave from becomming a shrine and thus a nexus/rallying point for extremists. The dumping in the ocean part is acually grabbing for straws out of the holy books, and isn't really required...it just serves our purpose.
Simplify it this way: Saddam was tried and hanged by his own people as a head of state, Osama was simply terminated as a nuisance by US. I DO share your suspicion, and would not be shocked if Bin Laden was actually rotting in a secret prison somewhere...people understimate exactly how far that network goes.
No offence to Canada or Europe, but the US has been handling your light work for decades. When you're ready to get your hands dirty again, FEEL FREE TO HELP AT ANY TIME as opposed to sitting back and critizing the fact that the US doesn't get it perfect all the time. Sending a dozen water trucks and a few contingents of reservists to guard the water trucks doesn't mean you have any skin in the game...or any real say. You don't like how we do shit, you go out and do better.
....and this is coming from a fairly liberal guy.
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ANT wrote: manbearpig
happy,
I don't presume to know why the US does what it does, I just know when I smell bullshit. I'm not saying Bin Laden is alive. I think he died years ago and the US has known this but wanted to keep the boogeyman around so they could keep doing what they've been doing. When they decided to pull out, they made up this heroic story about killing him.
ANT,
Who knows what the motive is. All you hear after the NATO attack is that this may put a hold on the US's plans to exit Afghanistan by 2014. Maybe this was the intent because the US decided it wasn't ready to leave after all.
You are right, who knows the motives. My whole point is that NATO fired on the base, not necessarily the USA. I've been trying to find an account that says it was only US assets that did this. I think people are a little too quick to blame the US for unchecked aggression.
I think the link being made is because Pakistan have now closed the two supply routes for supplies to be provided for American and British troops. And naturally the White House would be unhappy with that. The US didnt perpetrate the attack but they're involved in the aftermath.
China lending their support to Islamabad is also undoubtedly pissing off the US.
NATO have been given an out.
NATO have been given an out. I dont see why they can't offer an apology for the attack and allow the supply routes to be reopened.
UFO, You're predicating you
UFO,
You're predicating you argument on the assumption that what the US is doing is necessary or 'good'. I think this is completely false, for which reason I'm not saying I don't like how you do shit like this, I'm saying that I don't like *that* you do shit like this. The lack of regard for non American life is what myself, and the rest of the world have a problem with. Your whole statement that "no one in the US military gives a fuck if a few of the [pakistani] assholes get whacked" is exactly the problem. The US has not declared war on Pakistan, so they better care if those "assholes" get killed. Everytime a US solder dies, there are memorials with videos of the loved ones the guy left behind. Just remember that those 24 pakistani "assholes" also had families that didn't love them any less than your family loves you.
Also, I don't buy for a second that they were fired on first.
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manbearpig wrote: Also, I
Also, I don't buy for a second that they were fired on first.
Why? You know that firing pot shots at military personel and fleeing is a hallmark of an insurgency right?
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UFOinsider wrote: Since this
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The USA does what is in the
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ANT wrote: The USA does what
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ANT wrote: The USA does what
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fair enough, apology
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manbearpig wrote: Also, I
Yes, because Pakistan has
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Maybe militants fired at the
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ANT wrote: It mentions NATO
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While I agree that NATO is a
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I think Pakistan hates us and
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