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manbearpig
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(Neanderthal, 3,029
 
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 on 11/30/11 at 9:01am

They keep trying to insult everyone's intelligence by coming up with the most dumbass explanations for what they do. Case in point, this recent NATO attack on Pakistan. I'm stunned that people buy it. It's the most powerful country in the world, they can do whatever they want. They should just do whatever they want and not even bother explaining. Coming up with BS explanations only infuriates people more.

-MBP
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Oil

MagicKarp
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(Baboon, 160
 
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 on 11/30/11 at 9:17am

Oil

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UFOinsider's picture

The day my government starts

UFOinsider
      O
 
(Human, 10,328
 
Points)
 on 11/30/11 at 9:39am

The day my government starts telling me the truth is when I'm really freaking out.

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Come to think of it, my

manbearpig
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(Neanderthal, 3,029
 
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 on 11/30/11 at 9:39am

Come to think of it, my favorite one is the..."Hey guys, we killed Osama Bin Laden...except we burried him at sea out of respect for Islamic belief that bodies should burried within 24 hours...even though we didn't care about respecting any beliefs when we publicly executed Sadaam Hussein on TV....oh and we also didn't take any pictures of Bin Laden or any other proof...but trust us, we got him!"

LOL

-MBP

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^I still lol to that

Ske7ch
      O
 
(Senior Orangutan, 473
 
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 on 11/30/11 at 9:51am

^I still lol to that explanation.

America is like hip-hop/rap music. I love it, but it gets really hard to defend sometimes.

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How is NATO = USA? Also, why

TNA
      O
 
 
(Human, 13,500
 
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 on 11/30/11 at 10:00am

How is NATO = USA?

Also, why would the USA attack a known Pakistani military post for no reason? It makes no sense to enrage a country that we still depend on for help in fighting the Taliban. I really don't think it is outside of the realm of possibility that NATO forces were mistakenly fired on and returned fire not knowing it was an active and under Paki controlled military base.

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I find it hilarious that you

happypantsmcgee
      O
 
 
(Almost Human, 9,621
 
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 on 11/30/11 at 10:06am

I find it hilarious that you can sit in your office in Toronto and think that you have some higher grasp of how and why the government does the things they do.

As far as your Bin Laden conspiracy theory; don't you think if they were lying the first thing the Taliban would do would be to send out a new video of Bin Laden with the next day's paper in front of him. That would, arguably, do more damage than 9/11 in completely destroying the credibility of damn near everyone in the upper echelons of the US government. But you're right, we're all sheep, thanks for showing me the light.

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happypantsmcgee wrote: I find

rothyman
      HF
 
 
(King Kong, 1,163
 
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 on 11/30/11 at 10:25am
happypantsmcgee:

I find it hilarious that you can sit in your office in Toronto and think that you have some higher grasp of how and why the government does the things they do.

As far as your Bin Laden conspiracy theory; don't you think if they were lying the first thing the Taliban would do would be to send out a new video of Bin Laden with the next day's paper in front of him. That would, arguably, do more damage than 9/11 in completely destroying the credibility of damn near everyone in the upper echelons of the US government. But you're right, we're all sheep, thanks for showing me the light.

Lmao

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happy, I don't presume to

manbearpig
      CO
 
 
(Neanderthal, 3,029
 
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 on 11/30/11 at 10:27am

happy,
I don't presume to know why the US does what it does, I just know when I smell bullshit. I'm not saying Bin Laden is alive. I think he died years ago and the US has known this but wanted to keep the boogeyman around so they could keep doing what they've been doing. When they decided to pull out, they made up this heroic story about killing him.

ANT,
Who knows what the motive is. All you hear after the NATO attack is that this may put a hold on the US's plans to exit Afghanistan by 2014. Maybe this was the intent because the US decided it wasn't ready to leave after all.

-MBP

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manbearpig wrote: happy, I

happypantsmcgee
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(Almost Human, 9,621
 
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 on 11/30/11 at 10:40am
manbearpig:

happy,
I don't presume to know why the US does what it does, I just know when I smell bullshit. I'm not saying Bin Laden is alive. I think he died years ago and the US has known this but wanted to keep the boogeyman around so they could keep doing what they've been doing. When they decided to pull out, they made up this heroic story about killing him..

I actually had dinner with Eric Haney in 2007 and he said that Osama Bin Laden had been dead for 2 or 3 years even then so I don't entirely disagree with this.

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manbearpig wrote: happy, I

TNA
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(Human, 13,500
 
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 on 11/30/11 at 11:05am
manbearpig:

happy,
I don't presume to know why the US does what it does, I just know when I smell bullshit. I'm not saying Bin Laden is alive. I think he died years ago and the US has known this but wanted to keep the boogeyman around so they could keep doing what they've been doing. When they decided to pull out, they made up this heroic story about killing him.

ANT,
Who knows what the motive is. All you hear after the NATO attack is that this may put a hold on the US's plans to exit Afghanistan by 2014. Maybe this was the intent because the US decided it wasn't ready to leave after all.

You are right, who knows the motives. My whole point is that NATO fired on the base, not necessarily the USA. I've been trying to find an account that says it was only US assets that did this. I think people are a little too quick to blame the US for unchecked aggression.

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Since this actually became a

UFOinsider
      O
 
(Human, 10,328
 
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 on 11/30/11 at 11:37am

Since this actually became a serious discussion, here's the real answers.

A. Firing on Paki base: a lot of the outposts on the border are unmanned or semi-abandoned, and non-Paki groups routinely use them to their advantage. Remember that we're dealing with thousands of miles of not-fully-controlled territory...there's a LOT of room for error: US soldiers are only human, mistakes get made, get over it. A side note is this: I've got a family member in that hot zone and according to them, if there's any question about who's firing at you, kill them first and ask questions later. The Pakistanis have been playing both sides of the terrorism thing for FUCKING DECADES, so as you can imagine, no one in the US military gives a fuck if a few of the assholes get whacked incidentally.
http://thewe.cc/thewei/images2/aljazeerah_inf_apri...

B. Saddam was a secular dictator and it legitmized the power of the new government to kill him. Long live the king, I kill the king, I am the king, long live the king. They bought him on TV in his underwear with a flashlight in his mouth to pop his tough guy image. Then, they turned him over to the Iraqi government for trial. They killed him, we just let due process take place. That's the logic, and yeah, the CIA kept on eye on everything to make sure it went according to plan.

Because that's how we roll.

Osama, on the other hand, was a religious leader and had no actual territory to control. That's why I never bought the bullshit about him working with Saddam: anyone who thinks this is a fucking retard, KISS MY WHITE ASS. Killing him made him a martyr and dumping him into the ocean is the only way of preventing his grave from becomming a shrine and thus a nexus/rallying point for extremists. The dumping in the ocean part is acually grabbing for straws out of the holy books, and isn't really required...it just serves our purpose.

Simplify it this way: Saddam was tried and hanged by his own people as a head of state, Osama was simply terminated as a nuisance by US. I DO share your suspicion, and would not be shocked if Bin Laden was actually rotting in a secret prison somewhere...people understimate exactly how far that network goes.

No offence to Canada or Europe, but the US has been handling your light work for decades. When you're ready to get your hands dirty again, FEEL FREE TO HELP AT ANY TIME as opposed to sitting back and critizing the fact that the US doesn't get it perfect all the time. Sending a dozen water trucks and a few contingents of reservists to guard the water trucks doesn't mean you have any skin in the game...or any real say. You don't like how we do shit, you go out and do better.

....and this is coming from a fairly liberal guy.

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ANT wrote: manbearpig

FinancialNoviceII
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Points)
 on 11/30/11 at 11:45am
ANT:
manbearpig:

happy,
I don't presume to know why the US does what it does, I just know when I smell bullshit. I'm not saying Bin Laden is alive. I think he died years ago and the US has known this but wanted to keep the boogeyman around so they could keep doing what they've been doing. When they decided to pull out, they made up this heroic story about killing him.

ANT,
Who knows what the motive is. All you hear after the NATO attack is that this may put a hold on the US's plans to exit Afghanistan by 2014. Maybe this was the intent because the US decided it wasn't ready to leave after all.

You are right, who knows the motives. My whole point is that NATO fired on the base, not necessarily the USA. I've been trying to find an account that says it was only US assets that did this. I think people are a little too quick to blame the US for unchecked aggression.

I think the link being made is because Pakistan have now closed the two supply routes for supplies to be provided for American and British troops. And naturally the White House would be unhappy with that. The US didnt perpetrate the attack but they're involved in the aftermath.

China lending their support to Islamabad is also undoubtedly pissing off the US.

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NATO have been given an out.

FinancialNoviceII
      CS
 
(Neanderthal, 2,460
 
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 on 11/30/11 at 11:50am

NATO have been given an out. I dont see why they can't offer an apology for the attack and allow the supply routes to be reopened.

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UFO, You're predicating you

manbearpig
      CO
 
 
(Neanderthal, 3,029
 
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 on 11/30/11 at 11:50am

UFO,
You're predicating you argument on the assumption that what the US is doing is necessary or 'good'. I think this is completely false, for which reason I'm not saying I don't like how you do shit like this, I'm saying that I don't like *that* you do shit like this. The lack of regard for non American life is what myself, and the rest of the world have a problem with. Your whole statement that "no one in the US military gives a fuck if a few of the [pakistani] assholes get whacked" is exactly the problem. The US has not declared war on Pakistan, so they better care if those "assholes" get killed. Everytime a US solder dies, there are memorials with videos of the loved ones the guy left behind. Just remember that those 24 pakistani "assholes" also had families that didn't love them any less than your family loves you.

Also, I don't buy for a second that they were fired on first.

-MBP

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manbearpig wrote: Also, I

happypantsmcgee
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 on 11/30/11 at 11:53am
manbearpig:

Also, I don't buy for a second that they were fired on first.

Why? You know that firing pot shots at military personel and fleeing is a hallmark of an insurgency right?

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FinancialNoviceII
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manbearpig wrote: "no one in

UFOinsider
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 on 11/30/11 at 12:08pm

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FinancialNoviceII

happypantsmcgee
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 on 11/30/11 at 12:12pm

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

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UFOinsider wrote: Since this

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Khansian wrote: Since when

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 on 11/30/11 at 12:38pm

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The USA does what is in the

TNA
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 on 11/30/11 at 12:46pm

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ANT wrote: The USA does what

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Uhhhh

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(Neanderthal, 3,029
 
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 on 11/30/11 at 1:11pm

-MBP

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ANT wrote: The USA does what

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 on 11/30/11 at 1:16pm

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manbearpig wrote: Uhhhh

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 on 11/30/11 at 1:20pm

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Khansian wrote: The reason

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 on 11/30/11 at 1:24pm

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fair enough, apology

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 on 11/30/11 at 1:41pm

-MBP

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manbearpig wrote: Also, I

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Yes, because Pakistan has

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"U.S. officials say they are

manbearpig
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 on 11/30/11 at 2:43pm

-MBP

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Maybe militants fired at the

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Also, please post a link

TNA
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ANT wrote: It mentions NATO

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While I agree that NATO is a

TNA
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 on 11/30/11 at 3:09pm

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Also keep in mind that some

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I think Pakistan hates us and

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 on 11/30/11 at 5:37pm

Reality hits you hard, bro...

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happypantsmcgee wrote: I find

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 on 11/30/11 at 7:04pm

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
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I love how people are adding

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crazy has just entered the

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 on 11/30/11 at 7:03pm

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Up-repped you on some of your

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 on 12/1/11 at 7:53am

A lot of people do certain things to add days to their life. I do things to add life to my days.

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I know this was news a long

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"One should recognize reality even when one doesn't like it, indeed, especially when one doesn't like it." - Charlie Munger

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Also part of Seal Team 6, if

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 on 12/1/11 at 9:21am

A lot of people do certain things to add days to their life. I do things to add life to my days.

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manbearpig wrote: On the

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Jimage, I'm confident in my

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 on 12/1/11 at 11:13am

-MBP

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1) Please show the stats

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1) Happily, I'll do some

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 on 12/1/11 at 11:44am

-MBP

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manbearpig wrote: Also, my

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Sorry pal, I am not going to

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MBP, I disagree with

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You shall not copy or adapt the HTML code that the Company creates to generate its pages. It is also protected by the Company?s copyright.

Acceptable Site Use.

General Rules: Users may not use the Web Site in order to transmit, distribute, store or destroy material (a) in violation of any applicable law or regulation, (b) in a manner that will infringe the copyright, trademark, trade secret or other intellectual property rights of others or violate the privacy, publicity or other personal rights of others, or (c) that is defamatory, obscene, threatening, abusive or hateful.

Web Site Security Rules. Users are prohibited from violating or attempting to violate the security of the Web Site, including, without limitation, (a) accessing data not intended for such user or logging into a server or account which the user is not authorized to access, (b) attempting to probe, scan or test the vulnerability of a system or network or to breach security or authentication measures without proper authorization, (c) attempting to interfere with service to any user, host or network, including, without limitation, via means of submitting a virus to the Web Site, overloading, "flooding", "spamming", "mailbombing" or "crashing", (d) sending unsolicited e-mail, including promotions and/or advertising of products or services, or (e) forging any TCP/IP packet header or any part of the header information in any e-mail. Violations of system or network security may result in civil or criminal liability. The Company will investigate occurrences which may involve such violations and may involve, and cooperate with, law enforcement authorities in prosecuting users who are involved in such violations.

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  • Notwithstanding anything to the contrary contained herein, using or attempting to use any engine, software, tool, agent or other device or mechanism (including without limitation browsers, spiders, robots, avatars or intelligent agents) to navigate or search this Web Site other than the search engine and search agents available from the Company on this Web Site and other than generally available third party web browsers (e.g., Netscape Navigator, Microsoft Explorer).
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  • Aggregating, copying or duplicating in any manner any of the materials or information available from the Web Site.
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When you register for the Web Site, you will be asked to provide the Company with certain information including, without limitation, a valid email address (your "Information"). In addition to the terms and conditions that may be set forth in any privacy policy on this Web Site, you understand and agree that the Company may disclose to third parties, on an anonymous basis, certain aggregate information contained in your registration application. The Company reserves the right to offer third party services and products to you based on the preferences that you identify in your registration and at any time thereafter; such offers may be made by the Company or by third parties. Please see the Company's Privacy Policy below for further details regarding your Information.

Registration and Password.

You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your information and password. You shall be responsible for all uses of your registration, whether or not authorized by you. You agree to immediately notify the Company of any unauthorized use of your registration or password.

The Company's Liability.

As a condition to your use of this site, you release the Company (and our agents and employees) from claims, demands and damages (actual and consequential, direct and indirect) of every kind and nature, known and unknown, suspected and unsuspected, disclosed and undisclosed, arising out of or in any way connected with such disputes. If you are a California resident, you waive California Civil Code d1542, which says: "A general release does not extend to claims which the creditor does not know or suspect to exist in his favor at the time of executing the release, which if known by him must have materially affected his settlement with the debtor."

We are under no legal obligation to, and generally do not, control the information provided by other users which is made available through the Web Site. By its very nature, other people?s information may be offensive, harmful or inaccurate, and in some cases will be mislabeled or deceptively labeled. We expect that you will use caution and common sense when using this Web Site.

The Material may contain inaccuracies or typographical errors. The Company makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness, or timeliness of the Web Site or the Material. The use of the Web Site and the Material is at your own risk. Changes are periodically made to the Web Site and may be made at any time.

You acknowledge and agree that you are solely responsible for the content and accuracy of any resume or material contained therein placed by you on the Web Site and you agree to let any users that are identified as recruiters (designated in the sole discretion of the Company) to have access to your resume.

The Company is not to be considered to be an employer with respect to your use of the Web Site and the Company shall not be responsible for any employment decisions, for whatever reason made, made by any entity posting jobs on the Web Site.

THE COMPANY DOES NOT WARRANT THAT THE WEB SITE WILL OPERATE ERROR-FREE OR THAT THE WEB SITE AND ITS SERVER ARE FREE OF COMPUTER VIRUSES OR OTHER HARMFUL MECHANISMS. IF YOUR USE OF THE WEB SITE OR THE MATERIAL RESULTS IN THE NEED FOR SERVICING OR REPLACING EQUIPMENT OR DATA, THE COMPANY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE COSTS.

THE WEB SITE AND MATERIAL ARE PROVIDED ON AN "AS IS" BASIS WITHOUT ANY WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND. THE COMPANY, TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, WHETHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NON-INFRINGEMENT. THE COMPANY MAKES NO WARRANTIES ABOUT THE ACCURACY, RELIABILITY, COMPLETENESS, OR TIMELINESS OF THE MATERIAL, SERVICES, SOFTWARE, TEXT, GRAPHICS, AND LINKS.

Disclaimer of Consequential Damages.

IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COMPANY, ITS SUPPLIERS, OR ANY THIRD PARTIES MENTIONED ON THE WEB SITE BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER (INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, INCIDENTAL AND CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, LOST PROFITS, OR DAMAGES RESULTING FROM LOST DATA OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) RESULTING FROM THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE WEB SITE AND THE MATERIAL, WHETHER BASED ON WARRANTY, CONTRACT, TORT, OR ANY OTHER LEGAL THEORY, AND WHETHER OR NOT THE COMPANY IS ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.

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The Web Site may contain links to third party web sites. These links are provided solely as a convenience to you and not as an endorsement by the Company of the contents on such third-party Web sites. The Company is not responsible for the content of linked third-party sites and does not make any representations regarding the content or accuracy of materials on such third party Web sites. If you decide to access linked third party Web sites, you do so at your own risk.

No Resale or Unauthorized Commercial Use.

You agree not to resell or assign your rights or obligations under these Term of Use. You also agree not to make any unauthorized commercial use of the Web Site.

Limitation of Liability.

The aggregate liability for the Company to you for all claims arising from the use of the Materials is limited to $1.

Termination.

The Company reserves the right, at its sole discretion, to pursue all of its legal remedies, including but not limited to immediate termination of your registration with or ability to access the Web Site and/or any other service provided to you by the Company, upon any breach by you of these Terms and Conditions or if the Company is unable to verify or authenticate any information you submit to the Web Site registration with or ability to access the Web Site.

Indemnity.

You agree to defend, indemnify, and hold harmless the Company, its officers, directors, employees and agents, from and against any claims, actions or demands, including without limitation reasonable legal and accounting fees, alleging or resulting from your use of the Material or your breach of the terms of these Terms and Conditions. The Company shall provide notice to you promptly of any such claim, suit, or proceeding and shall assist you, at your expense, in defending any such claim, suit or proceeding.

General.

The Company makes no claims that the Materials may be lawfully viewed or downloaded outside of the United States. Access to the Materials may not be legal by certain persons or in certain countries. If you access the Web Site from outside of the United States, you do so at your own risk and are responsible for compliance with the laws of your jurisdiction. These Terms and conditions are governed by the internal substantive laws of the State of New York, without respect to its conflict of laws principles. Jurisdiction for any claims arising under this agreement shall lie exclusively with the state or federal courts within New York, New York. If any provision of these Terms and Conditions are found to be invalid by any court having competent jurisdiction, the invalidity of such provision shall not affect the validity of the remaining provisions of these Terms and Conditions, which shall remain in full force and effect. No waiver of any term of these Terms and Conditions shall be deemed a further or continuing waiver of such term or any other term. Except as expressly provided in additional terms of use for areas of the Web Site a particular "Legal Notice," or Software License or Material on particular Web pages, these Terms and Conditions constitute the entire agreement between you and the Company with respect to the use of Web Site. No changes to these Terms and Conditions shall be made except by a revised posting on this page.

PRIVACY POLICY

The Company recognizes that you are concerned about privacy. We are committed to preserving your privacy and safeguarding your sensitive information. The following statement describes the general information-gathering and usage practices of our sites.

Our staff, contractors, Internet service providers and others involved in this site follow this policy or similarly strict policies regarding your Information.

Disclosure

The Company is committed to fully disclosing our policies regarding the collection, use, maintenance, disclosure and security of personal information obtained from users of our site. The term "personal information" includes a name, address, email address, or any other information which could be used to contact you directly or to identify you personally.

Use and Disclosure Limitations

The Company only uses personal information about its Web site users for specific purposes. We do not share user information with third parties except when we have told users about the disclosures, when we have prior consent, or when required by law.

Use Policy: When the Company gathers personal information from users, we ask for permission first. We also disclose, at the time of collection, how the information will be used by us. Personal information is used for activities such as auto-completion of commonly-used forms and helping us contact you when you solicit information from us.

Disclosure Policy: We do not normally disclose personal information to anyone outside of the Company unless we have previously informed users about the disclosures. However, some data may be used from time to time by outside contractors, including auditors or consultants, to assist us in carrying out necessary financial or operational activities. These uses will be consistent with this privacy policy and all contractors using this potential personal information must agree to safeguard it, to use it only for the authorized purpose, and to return it or destroy it upon completion of the activity.

The Company might be required to disclose personal information in response to a valid legal process such as a subpoena, search warrant or court order.

Although unlikely, it is possible that we may have to make certain disclosures to ensure the security of our Web site, to protect its integrity, or to take precautions against potential liability. In any of these situations, we will take any reasonable steps to limit the scope of the data disclosed.

Web Logs: The Company maintains standard Web logs that record basic information about visitors to our Web site. These logs contain: * The Internet domain from which you came to our Web site. * Your IP address. An IP address is a series of numbers which uniquely identifies your connection to the Internet. Although it is possible in some instances, certain types of IP addresses may be used by interested persons to identify users but we do not attempt to identify users in this way. * The type of browser (e.g., Internet Explorer or Netscape) and operating system (e.g., Windows 98) you use. * The date and time you visited the site, and the pages you saw.

We use Web log information to design our Web site, identify popular features, and in similar ways. We do not try to identify individuals from Web logs or to link Web logs to other user information. However, if someone tries to damage our Web site or use it in an unauthorized or illegal way, we may share Web log information with law enforcement agencies. The Company may provide aggregate information such as the number of users who visit particular pages of the site, or the number of people who link to certain external sites from our site, to other parties.

Changes to Privacy Policy

The Company's features and services will change over time and our information-gathering practices and policies may also change.

While our philosophy of protecting user information from inappropriate uses and disclosures will not change, this policy will be updated occasionally to include any change that materially affects the collection, maintenance, use, or disclosure of personal information.

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