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11/10/11

Updated 2/7/2012:

All BB offers are out so which bank will u join next summer?
ill keep the posted updated.

GS:
MS:
JPM: Papagogo,
DB: rossgs210,
CS:
Citi:
UBS:
BAML:
BarCap: algorhythm,

Comments (342)

11/22/11

I think someone has got interview invitation for MS IBD SA.

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In reply to weibanche
11/22/11
weibanche:

I think someone has got interview invitation for MS IBD SA.

got the interview invitation already. anyone hear back from any other firms? thx.

11/22/11

Just got a call from MS asking if I would choose NY office over HK.

11/22/11

Got a phone interview for SocGen S&T. No replies from any of the others.

In reply to xruan
11/22/11
xruan:

Just got a call from MS asking if I would choose NY office over HK.

Wow. And socgen.... Such a random company...

In reply to JWR34
11/22/11
JWR34:

Got a phone interview for SocGen S&T. No replies from any of the others.

Thz for the update btw

11/28/11

GS have given out some accelerated interviews.

Anyone knows other updates?

In reply to weibanche
11/28/11
weibanche:

GS have given out some accelerated interviews.

Anyone knows other updates?

seriously? GS has AP in APAC?

11/29/11

I love WSO... this forum is simply awesome....lol

11/29/11

Rossgs210, no you fucking retarded fob...the Einstein in front of you mistakenly referred US AP.

11/30/11

Another BB has sent out their invites for first round. Has anyone heard from GS?

11/30/11

Is it looked down upon to apply to both the NYC and HK offices?

11/30/11

^ Yes, you can end up with neither.

11/30/11

In regards to applying to two locations I've always been told it's fine but they expect you to select just one after the first round interview. This is in the context of NYC vs Houston though. May be different internationally.

12/1/11
12/1/11

all under review....any one heard back from citi?

12/1/11
12/2/11
12/4/11

has anyone heard back from BoAML?

12/4/11

some of my friends got macquarie...

In reply to weibanche
12/4/11
weibanche:

some of my friends got macquarie...

this is a BB thread.

In reply to Gubaidulina
12/4/11
Gubaidulina:

has anyone heard back from BoAML?

dont think so, though they started the process pretty early in the past few years.

12/5/11
12/6/11

Phone interview finished with Barcap S&T
Not heard from others...

Anyone heard something for S&T?

12/6/11

i havnt heard back from JPM nor MS, does it mean I already got screened out?

12/7/11
In reply to BrokenBanana
12/7/11
BrokenBanana:

rossgs210, did you hear back from MS?

I was told after my first round interview with MS last weekend that they might let us know by the end of this week for second round...

12/9/11
In reply to BrokenBanana
12/9/11
BrokenBanana:

bump ni ma de up

hahaha. love it!

12/9/11

hi guys anyone received a first round invite for barcap ibd? mine seems to be a skype interview... with an avp. is this normal?? i would've thought it would be a phone interview with analysts/associates

12/9/11

just heard back from gs beijing even though i applied to gs hong kong. is this normal?

had first round w/ ms, still waiting on everything else...

12/9/11

BoAML invite first round HK for S&T

12/9/11
12/11/11

gnalk, have you had this alraedy? was it mostly fit or pretty technical?

In reply to Gubaidulina
12/12/11
Gubaidulina:
BrokenBanana:

rossgs210, did you hear back from MS?

I was told after my first round interview with MS last weekend that they might let us know by the end of this week for second round...

did you interview in person or over the phone w/ ms?

12/12/11

rossgs: just wondering did you apply well before the deadline?

In reply to golden999
12/12/11
asianracist:

rossgs: just wondering did you apply well before the deadline?

i updated the thread based on my friends' and mine application status. so cannot answer your question. :)

12/12/11

barcap ibd is out -- skype interview as well

In reply to moose58
12/12/11
moose58:
Gubaidulina:
BrokenBanana:

rossgs210, did you hear back from MS?

I was told after my first round interview with MS last weekend that they might let us know by the end of this week for second round...

did you interview in person or over the phone w/ ms?

I interviewed twice over the phone.

12/12/11

when did you guys hear from citi?

12/12/11

does it look bad to apply to many different locations for the same BB (all IB tho, not IB and then CM and S&T)

ex: UBS LA
UBS San Fran healthcare
UBS NY financial sponsors group
UBS Chicago

my thought, would just increase my chances for all these different groups applying to, but now might show im not stable or dnt knw what i want? truth is, il work in a basement if i learn M&A from a BB IB, so ya i dnt care where i am, i just want the experience!

12/12/11

does it look bad to apply to many different locations for the same BB (all IB tho, not IB and then CM and S&T)

ex: UBS LA
UBS San Fran healthcare
UBS NY financial sponsors group
UBS Chicago

my thought, would just increase my chances for all these different groups applying to, but now might show im not stable or dnt knw what i want? truth is, il work in a basement if i learn M&A from a BB IB, so ya i dnt care where i am, i just want the experience!

12/13/11
12/13/11

when did you apply?

my OCR resume drop was due last night before midnight. if you did through campus recruitment, how long did you wait to hear back?

12/13/11
12/13/11

when did you apply?

12/13/11

last day of deadline back in mid nov.

12/13/11

Did anyone else besides non-target BB Banker hear back?

So what banks have reached out?

GS, MS, BAML, CS??

What banks are we all still waiting on?

DB, Citi?

12/14/11

btw, UBS said will let people know by mid-December. so anytime now...

12/14/11

did interview with barcap SNT, and socgen SNT last week. any news on ACs coming up?

got invite for GS SNT but the team never called within specified time lol... wtf?

12/14/11

do you guys know if different divisions get recruited via separate methods? and then all applicants pooled together for Superday?

12/14/11

Has anyone heard back from JPM???? I have interviewed with Goldman MS and CS but still haven't heard anything from JPM! I am wondering if anyone here got first round in recent few days?

In reply to algorhythm
12/14/11
algorhythm:

do you guys know if different divisions get recruited via separate methods? and then all applicants pooled together for Superday?

Yes, as far as I know, recruiting is separate for different divisions.

12/14/11

Submitted my Barcap and Citi asia apps on November 29. Both still say "still under consideration". I see ppl have been getting 1st rounds..Anybody know what that means for me? Rejected?? Waitlisted? Or still hope for a 1st round interview?

12/14/11

Submitted my Barcap and Citi asia apps on November 29. Both still say "still under consideration". I see ppl have been getting 1st rounds..Anybody know what that means for me? Rejected?? Waitlisted? Or still hope for a 1st round interview?

12/14/11

i think they're still giving out interviews.my friend got a CS interview two weeks before i was notified of mine. so hang in there :) maybe in the next couple of days

but barcap interviewer did say that they're going to notify of second round by early next week.

In reply to moose58
12/14/11
moose58:

i think they're still giving out interviews.my friend got a CS interview two weeks before i was notified of mine. so hang in there :) maybe in the next couple of days

but barcap interviewer did say that they're going to notify of second round by early next week.

Awesome thanks for letting me know. Still kinda weird how my app is still under consideration though......was wondering if you can let me know what was asked in the interview and how it went. can you pm me or reply? thanks!

12/14/11

Did anyone hear something after Barcap S&T first round?

12/14/11

Has anyone heard back from JPM???? I have interviewed with Goldman MS and CS but still haven't heard anything from JPM! I am wondering if anyone here got first round in recent few days?
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12/14/11

BUMP* Same. I'm wondering the same.

12/14/11

So does it mean if you didn't hear for 1st round, you are out of luck?

12/14/11

i heard JPM has already done first round, even singapore is doing second round already

12/14/11

has anyone heard from ubs, citi, baml or deutsche yet? i know citi's deadline was monday but ubs' deadline was like a month ago....

In reply to algorhythm
12/14/11
algorhythm:

i heard JPM has already done first round, even singapore is doing second round already

Hi Algorhythm, you sure JPM done first round???? I dont understand since I am chosen by almost all the top four for first round but JPM dinged me that is just.......sad...

In reply to moose58
12/14/11
moose58:

has anyone heard from ubs, citi, baml or deutsche yet? i know citi's deadline was monday but ubs' deadline was like a month ago....

hey moose i emailed ubs on monday asking what's up and they said that they'll get the shortlist out by mid-dec

12/14/11

For all of you guys who haven't gotten a 1st round interview yet:

When you log into your application, do you see that you got rejected or do you see that "your app is under consideration" Because all of my apps are still under consideration...

In reply to coldplayfan
12/14/11
coldplayfan:

For all of you guys who haven't gotten a 1st round interview yet:

When you log into your application, do you see that you got rejected or do you see that "your app is under consideration" Because all of my apps are still under consideration...

i heard that some statuses stay like that even after offers are out. i'm guessing the banks aren't very good at changing those...

12/14/11

btw, do you guys know how many rounds the interviews are? just first round and super day or is there an extra round in between?

12/14/11

Haha agreed. I don't think that's a good indication of where you stand.

In reply to moose58
12/14/11
moose58:

btw, do you guys know how many rounds the interviews are? just first round and super day or is there an extra round in between?

I think first round and then super day.
By the way, how much time does a typical analyst spend on building models in locations like Hong Kong comparing to places like London NY or Singapore?

12/14/11

my recruiting season has been a total failure so far. good luck everyone.

12/14/11

Sorry to hear that. But it's too early to give up just yet. There are still some good banks that haven't reached out, at least I am not aware.

In reply to Shadymonkey
12/14/11
Shadymonkey:

Sorry to hear that. But it's too early to give up just yet. There are still some good banks that haven't reached out, at least I am not aware.

thx for ur kind words. heard nothing from GS, JPM, CS or BarCap. im checking my inbox every 3-5 mins after midnight. the process is just excruciating.

In reply to Papagogo
12/14/11
Papagogo:
moose58:

btw, do you guys know how many rounds the interviews are? just first round and super day or is there an extra round in between?

I think first round and then super day.
By the way, how much time does a typical analyst spend on building models in locations like Hong Kong comparing to places like London NY or Singapore?

according to my interviewer the barcap superday is next for successful ppl who made it after telephone interview.

12/14/11

can i also ask if you guys are all from north american/UK target schools? anybody done an ib gig before? i did SNT last year.

12/14/11

rossgs210 i feel you man......

i havnt heard from any banks yet..

12/14/11

to: algorhythm

I did go to a big target (Top 5 IVY) and yes I did a investment banking internship at a Middle market at my sophomore year.... but obviously still JPM does not give me a shit although I got other big banks interviews...
I am 100% made in China and does not have any connection either

In reply to rossgs210
12/15/11
rossgs210:
Shadymonkey:

Sorry to hear that. But it's too early to give up just yet. There are still some good banks that haven't reached out, at least I am not aware.

thx for ur kind words. heard nothing from GS, JPM, CS or BarCap. im checking my inbox every 3-5 mins after midnight. the process is just excruciating.

hang in there, totally know what you mean haha, i check my emails at like 6am and then go back to sleep all this week haha

In reply to moose58
12/15/11
moose58:
rossgs210:
Shadymonkey:

Sorry to hear that. But it's too early to give up just yet. There are still some good banks that haven't reached out, at least I am not aware.

thx for ur kind words. heard nothing from GS, JPM, CS or BarCap. im checking my inbox every 3-5 mins after midnight. the process is just excruciating.

hang in there, totally know what you mean haha, i check my emails at like 6am and then go back to sleep all this week haha

i think im closer to the entrance of the tunnel than the end. on campus recruiting is so much better - more structured, less guessing game.

12/15/11

So I guess its over for me and Asia summer IBD at MS, GS, Barcap, and Citi. Lol what a fail. I was hoping for just one 1 1st round phone interview.........

Good luck to everyone else though

In reply to rossgs210
12/15/11
rossgs210:

my recruiting season has been a total failure so far. good luck everyone.

Quick question when did you submit your barcap app and when did they notify you about that 1st round interview??

In reply to coldplayfan
12/15/11
coldplayfan:
rossgs210:

my recruiting season has been a total failure so far. good luck everyone.

Quick question when did you submit your barcap app and when did they notify you about that 1st round interview??

sorry. i did not get the first round interview invitation.

In reply to rossgs210
12/15/11
rossgs210:
BrokenBanana:

bump ni ma de up

hahaha. love it!

kao

In reply to rossgs210
12/15/11
12/15/11

has anyone been invited to GS snt first round?

12/15/11

boa ml is out...my friend did first round

12/15/11

if anybody/anybody's friend did GS snt already please let me know. the team still hasnt called loll

In reply to collisoncon
12/15/11
collisoncon:

boa ml is out...my friend did first round

did your friend do IBD or SNT?

In reply to algorhythm
12/15/11
algorhythm:
collisoncon:

boa ml is out...my friend did first round

did your friend do IBD or SNT?

ibd

12/15/11
12/15/11

Finally get JPM first round invite:
Here is mine:--ALL IBD ONLY
CS: First round done
JPM: First round invite
GS HK: First round done
GS BJ: First round in a few hours
MS: Second round in NY done few weeks ago
NOmura: SUper day invited
BAML: pending
DB: pending
UBS: pending
Citi:pending
Barcap: did not even apply because its recruiting event in NY sucks
Barcap NY: first round--through alumni

I assumed I will get all the other BB first round in HK. But those are all my second choice. I want GOLDMAN BEIJING the most!!

12/15/11

lol forgot about nomura, heard they had some troubles.

12/15/11

Papagogo, why do you want GS Beijing? HK is more fun.

12/15/11

Beijing has the strongest dealflow, hong kong is more like a supporting role when working on China deals. And beijing is also a great city! And you get global pay with high bonus with lower cost of living so will live like an avatar !!!!

12/15/11

Papagogo - good one. Looks like you are doing well :P

To the rest of us - good luck :)

In reply to algorhythm
12/15/11
algorhythm:

just got invited to barcap ac (superday).

when did u do your first round?

In reply to Papagogo
12/15/11
Papagogo:

Finally get JPM first round invite:
Here is mine:--ALL IBD ONLY
CS: First round done
JPM: First round invite
GS HK: First round done
GS BJ: First round in a few hours
MS: Second round in NY done few weeks ago
NOmura: SUper day invited
BAML: pending
DB: pending
UBS: pending
Citi:pending
Barcap: did not even apply because its recruiting event in NY sucks
Barcap NY: first round--through alumni

I assumed I will get all the other BB first round in HK. But those are all my second choice. I want GOLDMAN BEIJING the most!!

just beware, my gs beijing interviews were all in mandarin, even the technical parts. >.<

12/15/11

Does anyone know how interviews are given out for summer asia IBD. Are the interviews done separately by locations (example: are candidates applying Barcap HK IBD matched up against other HK IBD candidates or all Asia) or are all locations given out at once?

In reply to moose58
12/15/11
moose58:
algorhythm:

just got invited to barcap ac (superday).

when did u do your first round?

my sign up options for telephone interview (assuming candidates are in a batch) was either dec. 2, dec. 6, or dec. 7.

i picked dec. 2, got a confirmation email that i sat the interview on dec. 5, got superday invite on dec. 15.

12/15/11

to algorhythm: thanks!

just wondering, do u guys know if they do target and non target school recruiting together for asia?

In reply to algorhythm
12/15/11
algorhythm:

did interview with barcap SNT, and socgen SNT last week. any news on ACs coming up?

got invite for GS SNT but the team never called within specified time lol... wtf?

So what are you going to do? Did you get it rescheduled?

12/15/11

How are you guys doing on your interviews? I think I just got owned. LOL.

In reply to Shadymonkey
12/15/11
Shadymonkey:
algorhythm:

did interview with barcap SNT, and socgen SNT last week. any news on ACs coming up?

got invite for GS SNT but the team never called within specified time lol... wtf?

So what are you going to do? Did you get it rescheduled?

an associate emailed me rescheduling it.

In reply to Shadymonkey
12/15/11
Shadymonkey:

How are you guys doing on your interviews? I think I just got owned. LOL.

who did u interview for and for what div?

In reply to Shadymonkey
12/15/11
Shadymonkey:

How are you guys doing on your interviews? I think I just got owned. LOL.

hahah sameee, there were a couple "hm... interesting" as answers from them.. lolol sadness, i feel like foreign interviewers are definitely more chillax than chinese ones.

12/15/11

ur right man. haha i got alot of that. LOL

Don't wanna reveal the bank on a public forum. but they are very respectable....oh well there goes my chance.

In reply to moose58
12/16/11
moose58:

to algorhythm: thanks!

just wondering, do u guys know if they do target and non target school recruiting together for asia?

moose when did u do your interview? i just finished my second phone interview this morning (interviewer's skype wasnt working). im frm a uk school.. and judging by algorhythm's status, im assuming non targets are later than the target schools' campus recruitment? it makes sense... they will always be the first cut -_-

In reply to gnalk
12/16/11
gnalk:
moose58:

to algorhythm: thanks!

just wondering, do u guys know if they do target and non target school recruiting together for asia?

moose when did u do your interview? i just finished my second phone interview this morning (interviewer's skype wasnt working). im frm a uk school.. and judging by algorhythm's status, im assuming non targets are later than the target schools' campus recruitment? it makes sense... they will always be the first cut -_-

i finished my interviews yesterday (i go to a u.s. target) and they said we should know by early next week.

recruiting's so hazy for asia haha. no specific timeline for any of the firms.

12/16/11

oh right. hmm. my interviewer told me that there should be a second round before the AC? so im really not sure. i guess we'll find out next week

12/16/11

Wait, just want to confirm--- Is Goldman Beijing Global Pay???
Thanks

12/16/11
In reply to Papagogo
12/16/11
Papagogo:

Wait, just want to confirm--- Is Goldman Beijing Global Pay???
Thanks

I don't see why not. Why? Did something happen that made you doubt it?

12/16/11

AC = assessment centre, which is the UK equivalent of superday
most banks have 1st rounds than final rounds, but some has another round in between.

anyway. i found the 1st rounds in Asia much more difficult than the UK ones. I almost got killed on a couple of occasions.

In reply to scholsey_18
12/16/11
scholsey_18:

AC = assessment centre, which is the UK equivalent of superday
most banks have 1st rounds than final rounds, but some has another round in between.

anyway. i found the 1st rounds in Asia much more difficult than the UK ones. I almost got killed on a couple of occasions.

in terms of technicals? what kinda questions did they ask?

12/16/11

it was mainly about exotic options. However it's because of my previous experience in S+T so I wouldn't worry too much if I were you :)

I miss the first rounds with HRs in the UK....all competency questions !

12/16/11

No its not global pay lol - that's why I asked. You get local pay, high taxes, etc. You might live comfortably, but not like a king.

In reply to BrokenBanana
12/16/11
BrokenBanana:

No its not global pay lol - that's why I asked. You get local pay, high taxes, etc. You might live comfortably, but not like a king.

Did you ask the interviewer?

In reply to gnalk
12/16/11
gnalk:
moose58:

to algorhythm: thanks!

just wondering, do u guys know if they do target and non target school recruiting together for asia?

moose when did u do your interview? i just finished my second phone interview this morning (interviewer's skype wasnt working). im frm a uk school.. and judging by algorhythm's status, im assuming non targets are later than the target schools' campus recruitment? it makes sense... they will always be the first cut -_-

is this barcap?

12/16/11

i'm from singapore, completed two phone interviews for a southeast asia c/f summer analyst position with a bb. one was with an analyst and the other with a director. analyst was both fit and technical while director was purely fit

12/16/11

@algorhythm yes barcap

12/16/11

I'm guessing no one's heard from Citi, DB, and UBS yet?

12/16/11

i dont think barcap does target/non-target, at least not for UK unis
I'm from oxbridge and am still waiting for news after my first round...
also the earliest Trading+Structuring AC for London interns last year was full of people from the UK 'semi-targets'/'non-target'

DB and UBS were quite late in holding first rounds (think early/mid Jan) last year as well so I'm assuming it would be the same this year

12/16/11

Thanks for the info. I wonder why they would have it so late, considering they are competing for the same people??

12/16/11

Anyone here who didn't apply to HK 1st choice but other asia divisions like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan???

12/16/11

a quick question: did GS already finish all first round interviews? anyone might know?

12/16/11

^ my interviewer said they're trying to finish all first round interviews this week.

In reply to fc912
12/16/11
fc912:

^ my interviewer said they're trying to finish all first round interviews this week.

thx for the update. guess no response = rejection

12/18/11
12/18/11

I'm curious to know as well. Also has anyone heard from UBS, Citi, or DB for ibd?

12/18/11

I dont think BAML is out. Anyway, I dont think they are even hiring...... Asian clients like ML but when it became BAML,, nobody likes it anymore.

12/18/11

i would put UBS above BAML, even in US!

12/18/11

I think in the US, UBS is definitely more competitive than BAML. Even with some of its recent missteps, I think it's still a more prestigious firm.

12/19/11

I did Barcap's S&T first round telephone interview early Dec with an HR from Singapore, and havn't heard back yet, probably get rejected...Do they inform those applicants they reject? BTW I'm from Europe. ....

12/19/11

So does this mean that second-round for MS is already over? Did anyone interview for MS GCM (global capital markets) second-round?

12/19/11

anyone heard back from final rounds yet? for cs, barcap, gs, and ms?

and gubaidulina, i'm not sure about gcm, but for ms ibd, they said they should have superday decisions this week, by christmas.

12/19/11
12/19/11

Still waiting from Barcap S&T after first round... We should expect an answer very soon...

In reply to algorhythm
12/19/11
algorhythm:

superday barcap is jan 3

is this for ibd? when'd you hear?

12/19/11

just kidding i just found it from the earlier post.

12/19/11

this is for SNT as far as I know. im sure the ibd applicants come together too

12/19/11

Does anyone know what is the best way to know the deals each bank did recently? I will interview with JPM soon and I expect them to ask me deal questions...

Any input is welcomE!!!

12/19/11

algorhythm, did you receive a mail or a phone call for your AC invitation?

In reply to roflrofl
12/19/11
roflrofl:

algorhythm, did you receive a mail or a phone call for your AC invitation?

both

12/20/11

can anyone give me an update regarding barcap IBD so far? and which locations have they done interviews for just HK or all?

12/20/11

i check my phone like every hour waiting to hear back >.< sonervous.

12/20/11

barcap ibd superday jan 18-20 in new york.

12/20/11

Hey moose58, u study in the US? when was your barcap interview? I'm waiting to hear back too.

In reply to gorge772003
12/21/11
gorge772003:

Hey moose58, u study in the US? when was your barcap interview? I'm waiting to hear back too.

last wednesday.

In reply to moose58
12/21/11
moose58:

barcap ibd superday jan 18-20 in new york.

Are they sending out superday invitation individually or all together? I just finished my first rounds on monday...

12/21/11

this is not about a bb... but has anyone heard back from societe generale lol

12/22/11

anyone heard from morgan stanley yet for superday?

12/23/11
In reply to Papagogo
12/23/11
Papagogo:

Goldman super day after Jan 13

did HR get back to you already?

12/25/11
In reply to roflrofl
12/25/11
roflrofl:

Did anyone hear about UBS?

great question!

12/26/11

Has anyone heard from citi or db?

12/26/11

status for citi switched to under review

12/26/11
12/27/11

morgan stanley superday jan 13-17th in nyc

12/27/11

anyone heard back from Goldman HK (SNT) regarding superday?

12/27/11
12/27/11

First round interview with JPM tomorrow. Just got an email

12/29/11

Anybody heard back from GS IBD? I heard that final interview invitations are being sent out these two days.

12/29/11
12/29/11
In reply to coldplayfan
12/29/11
coldplayfan:

anyone hear back from barcap ibd super day

yeah mid january in nyc.

In reply to algorhythm
12/29/11
algorhythm:

anyone going to barcap SNT superday next week?

Hey, I'm going for the Barcap S/T Superday in Sing on the 13th. Is yours in Singapore also?

In reply to jellybeans
12/30/11
jellybeans:
algorhythm:

anyone going to barcap SNT superday next week?

Hey, I'm going for the Barcap S/T Superday in Sing on the 13th. Is yours in Singapore also?

Hi jelly, im going to HK. good luck to you!

12/30/11

Good luck to you too!

Too bad couldn't have met up at the superday, are you applying for a HK internship? i'm applying for one in singapore..

12/30/11
In reply to jellybeans
1/1/12
jellybeans:

Good luck to you too!

Too bad couldn't have met up at the superday, are you applying for a HK internship? i'm applying for one in singapore..

jelly beans how are you preparing for your AC? any snt links u can share?

1/2/12

anyone korea or japan?

1/2/12

since when did the s&t folks hijack the ibd post...?

1/3/12

GS IBD superday is out. 1/14 in NYC. I can't make it though. Email says to contact them if you can't make 1/14 and they'll arrange something. Does anyone know whether they have superdays in HK?

1/3/12

they just have one day of superday? they must not be interviewing a lot of people...

1/3/12
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have you heard anything about hk?

1/3/12

still no one heard anything from citi, db, ubs or baml even regarding first rounds?

In reply to fc912
1/3/12