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A solid school especially if you're in Mendoza. Assuming you're talking about IB.
Not a "basically get a job/internship because of the school you go to" target. (Harvard, Wharton, Stanford, Duke, Stern, MIT, Yale, etc.)
More of a "good enough school to get you a fair look" target. (Georgetown, Vandy, UVA)
The better students at Mendoza can get jobs almost anywhere with a solid resume and good networking skills.
Its a semi-target. Its kin to Gtown, Vandy. Just work hard and build a good resume. You cant go wrong there.
They're a great school, but banking is competitive. It's like 75% rich white kids, so the amount of people targeting banking is much higher than most comparable schools.
ND is definitely a school that you need to fit culturally. It's not for everyone. I've visited friends there and will say that I've never met more entitled, prissy kids in my life, and their "party" scene is absolutely abysmal.
That said, almost all of the people that go there love it. Just make sure that you'll be one of those people.
It's a great school.
Great undergrad, non target for MBA.
Gr8 skool to goto if u wanna do stox
Notre Dame (Originally Posted: 04/01/2013)
I know that Notre Dame is not as good as the number one ranking in the businessweek polls would suggest. However, as high school senior who is looking to get into investment banking after undergrad, is there a possibility of breaking into the industry from Notre Dame. If so , how strong is the recruiting?
I know a bunch of ND alums in BB IBD. It can definitely be done, but you are going to have to be one of the top dogs in your class. It places especially well in Chicago.
Wall Street has a presence at Notre Dame. You just have to be the best option for them.
Know a kid from Mendoza from my last internship, the previous summer to when we worked together he was at CS in their New York office.
If you have a Linkedin account do a search. And also, I would recommend asking admissions to speak with a current finance student and ask any questions you may have. A student will usually give it to you pretty straight.
Notre Dame actually places a lot of analysts on the street every year. It has a very good business school.
Dude, have you ever been to Chicago??
If you want to do banking, you WILL get a job. There aren't many alumni, but they do send everyone who wants to go, especially to Lincoln and William Blair.
Notre Dame has very good placement into IBD. Every year kids place into GS, MS, JPM, BX, etc. Obviously not going to be the same as a top-tier Ivy but top students at Notre Dame (i.e. 3.7-3.8 and above) place very well. Alumni network is incredibly strong and there's few better places to be if you want to work in Chicago. Certainly not as strong in NY as in Chicago, but again top students in the business school place at all the BBs in NY.
I think I've worked with roughly 123134 consultants that went to Notre Dame, for whatever thats worth.
On the business side of things, Notre Dame students are certainly most heavily recruited by the accounting and consulting firms, but definitely the most competitive students earn spots with BB IBD.
As a current student, I would like to mention that you shouldn't come to Notre Dame exclusively for job opportunities. You should only come to ND if you want to grow as an individual.
If all you want is to make it in IB, then I would recommend going to Wharton or another Ivy.
do more kids from mendoza go into consulting or banking?
Going to ND was the best decision I ever made, for academic, career and personal reasons. As @Mike Brey said you should only go if you think it will be a good fit for you, not only for IB recruiting. However, if you're a top finance student and get involved in SIBC/other relevant clubs, I don't see how you wouldn't get a job in BB IBD (New York or Chicago).
Is Notre Dame that good? (Originally Posted: 08/02/2012)
I was just checking out some undergrad business school rankings (Business Week). The usual suspects are up there: Wharton, Cornell AEM, MIT Sloan, UMich Ross...etc. But then the #1 ranked is Notre Dame, which apparently has been top ranked for two years straight.
Just how good is that school, in terms of OCR & job placement?
Very good school, again most of the posters here(including yellow stars) are out of touch with reality.
Notre Dame is #1.
Solid school.
have some friends that go there. Like many i thought it was a complete non target, but apparently it has taken off recently. I know for sure 2 kids are in the GS IBD summer analyst class in new york...for what that's worth.
Lol taken off recently. I didn't go to ND but a few of my older friends did. All ended up BB IBD ---> HBS ---> black rock pe.
I take it you're still in high school?
BW rankings are a joke
I think IU Kelly's IB Workshop sends more kids to the street than Mendoza.
Luis Mendoza can really fly...
On the black rock (PE) that's where I wanna go after a long night coming home from a show...
Notre Dame in ibanking (Originally Posted: 03/31/2007)
Hey ive just got acc. at Notre dame and plan to go 2 their business school; my other option is UofM; any suggestions as in which one will i have better odds for the BB??
michigan
i would think Ross is a better option. I've seen more Ross graduates on the street than Notre dame. I don't work there yet but its only from research
yea but the only thing im worried about UofM is that ppl r ther for ibanking so it'll be more comp?? harder to stand out??
Ross for ibanking by far. This isn't even a question.
They place really well into ibanking.
not even in the same league.I would pick Ross. Notre Dame if you want to play football.
with ross you have to apply after your soph yr to get in..i dk if notre dame is direct acceptance or not but i agree that ross kills ND
ND is overrated.
white on white, that's fuckin ROSS!
Haha. How many people on here do you think actually get that?
I don't know much about Michigan's business school, but I am a junior at ND and just finished applying for internships. Here is what I know about how kids in ND's business school placed in ibanking for summer internships this year:
GS: I only know of 1 in NY MS: only 1 in New York and at least 1 other in Chicago ML: None to my knowledge in NY, but 1 or 2 in Chicago JPM - made 5 offers in Chicago (one of which they later made the offer for either NY or Chicago) CS-Made at least 2 Chicago offers, not sure about NY UBS- at least 1 for Chicago, 1 for Hong Kong Citigroup - 1 offer in NY, 1 or 2 in Chicago DB - know of 3 for sure, but i think there might be 1 or 2 more Wachovia - 1
All of the banks listed above recruit on campus, the big one that doesn't recruit for ibanking at ND is Lehman.
Biggest benefit to ND is that while there aren't that many spots, it is pretty easy to stand out at ND if you know what you're doing. I've heard a lot of ND kids don't perform well in interviews and are a little bit clueless about ibanking. If you really know what you're doing and have a good resume, I think you'd have a really good shot of getting one of the spots.
For full time positions most of the banks tend to make offers to a few more kids than they did for internships.
Notre Dame?? (Originally Posted: 08/15/2007)
It's no where close to a top tier MBA program, but is there a chance to get into IB from there? Their career center claims that few kids every year do make it into IB, though they did not mention if they were BB, MM, or boutique. I'm interested in Notre Dame because I won't need any work experience to get in. I know higher ups in the school who can write me a personal recommendation and everything.
I would imagine that being close to Chicago might have some benefits. Are there?
I know higher ups at McDonalds, but you don't see me trying to make a transition into entry level shift manager. If it's not where you want to go, keep it as a safety school, and shoot for your top selections.
For law school, it would be decent.
just wondering... isn't the law school as bad as the b school both top 30?
If you were a hiring manager at an IB, would you rather hire an MBA from Notre Dame w/ no work experience, or a top 10 MBA with 4-5 years work experience?
did you mean a top 10 mba with no exp
what if I try for an analyst position instead of an associate? I've heard that some MBA's are known to do that.
Don't create your own path into ib.
Typical 'analyst' path--university-->analyst
Typical 'assoc.' path--mba-->assoc.
Why would you try to play with the very unambiguous system that's in place?
cackmenimble, I understand the path. But here's my thinking:
I failed to get a FT offer this summer from a reputable MM. My chances for BB are honestly not that great. Instead of trying for another MM, my thinking was that if I go directly into MBA, I can get an analyst position which after 2-3 years I can leverage into an associate position since I already have an MBA.
It's a little ridiculous, I know...but can it be done, especially with an MBA from Notre Dame?
Go do a masters program at LSE or London Biz School, get some international exposure...couple that with a good internship and then try for FT. Save your MBA for career jumping or hopping in case you don't like what you end up doing and want to jump ship 'credibly'.
Notre Dame? nah man, don't join a football team if you want to get into IB.
agreed...
you're aiming for analyst-level, not associate.
Apply for a masters program at a reputable school like LSE or Columbia, and you have very good chances of getting into IB(much better than Notre Dame at least).
No appearance of bank at Career Fair Notre Dame (Originally Posted: 02/01/2012)
There was no BB recruited at Notre Dame's career fair today guys. Any idea?
Give up now. Don't even bother trying to contact the hundreds of alumni that went to your school.
Learn proper grammar. There's an idea.
not a target?
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