Cliff notes:
- Moved into new place with best friend from college and random kid
- Random kid was okay at beginning; he had a job as a restaurant manager
- Always found him slightly annoying because he talked too much, but decent
- He smokes weed all day
- He recently got fired
- Now he literally just smokes 24/7, makes a mess, and is disgusting
- Doesn't contribute to cleaning the house and then has the nerve to text us while we're at work that we need to clean the house
- He cooks food with a lot of oil and our kitchen floor has tiles, so the oil splashes all over the stove and floor, so the floor feels like it's been buttered with grease. I told him to clean the floors twice and he did once, but he keeps cooking greasy shit and it keeps staying gross
Long story short, he's a fat, lazy, disgusting, messy piece of shit and we want him out of here. How can we accomplish this, legally?
Now, this is a rather serious post and we will not resort to inhumane tactics or be complete douches. We just want him out with zero conflicts. Do we need to get the landlord involved?
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Does he pay rent on time? Tell him to clean or stop smoking weed.
FYI - this is going to become confrontational. Nothing you can do about it. I would tell him he has 2 months to get out and if he balks, either kick the shit out of him or call the police. Having drugs in an apartment is most likely enough to get him removed.
Ask him to leave?
Tell him to stop shitting around and pull his weight around there or GTFO. Make him clean up all of his stuff. If he refuses and it gets confrontational, call the cops, or talk to the landlord or whoever manages the apartments
We've only had to pay rent twice so far, and both times he's been on time. Everything just went downhill since he got fired and while I would, and did, feel sorry for him, I completely stopped giving a shit and started finding him pitiful once I realized he was going to spend every waking moment of his life smoking weed and not applying for jobs.
I really would just love for him to leave voluntarily but that won't seem likely at all.
Have the police come by while he's smoking weed? He'll probably think a neighbor called and he probably won't be holding any grudges against you, problem solved.
(Coming from someone w/ no experience of living without mom)
1) Who is on the lease?
2) Talk to him and have him keep the common area clean and tell him smoking weed in the apartment is not happening.
3) If he misses rent of continues to be a dirt ball I would give him one written notice, mentioning the weed, etc.
4) Talk to the landlord
5) Police if needed.
You might want to talk to someone who is friends with this guy to see if they can talk to him. Losing your job sucks and he is probably depressed. Yeah yeah, he sucks, but he could have a lot in savings and be just taking a break. If he is paying rent on time you really shouldn't bitch too much.
I've dealt with worse and it always gets nasty.
If he got fired how's he paying rent? He'll run out of money soon, especially if he's on weed.
Yeah, like ANT asked, what's the lease situation? Tell him to go join some OWS protests or some shit if you can't figure anything else out.
So he spends a lot of money on weed, but he also comes from a pretty wealthy background. His parents are loaded and I'm 100% sure they'll keep him afloat if necessary. As it stands now, they don't know he's jobless because he's too ashamed to tell them.
I kind of feel bad for him.. but at the same time, I don't want to feel like I live in a pig sty when I get back from work. That's what my college house was for..
We all pay the landlord separately, so only the landlord would get boned if he doesn't pay.
I guess I'll just play it by ear and see how it goes from here on. It's looking pretty bleak now, but hopefully things improve.
I am going to give you some sage advice. Get a cleaning woman and have everyone split the cost. It will make all of your lives easier.
Absolutely...we may do this ourselves (not that any of us are particularly messy or anything like that) just to keep the place a little tidier, even though we all try our best.
We already have one come every other week..
And your place is still fucked up? Damn, this dude must be the worst.
The question is - do you and your other roomie also smoke pot? If not, just call cops while u both are away. say that you are one of the neighbors and were bothered by the smell
Handle it carefully.
Both of you need to sit down with him and give him a month to find a new place. If he asks for more time, give him 2 months.
Tell him it isn't working out and that you need him gone before the situation escalates.
You need to be civil or else he could trash your belongings while you're at work.
just ask him to clean please
Find a tenant lawyer. ~$500 to start.
Tell him to GTFO. If his fatass gets hostile, change the locks the next time he leaves. Jk But seriously, just have a talk w/ him.
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As for this guy: potheads are cool until you live with them, this happened to me one semester at college. Constant string of people, and then the harder drugs started getting tossed around, eventually the parties went all night and I couldn't sleep, invite MY FRIENDS over, or get shit done. This shit is just going to get worse. Deal with him in a very abrupt and decisive manner, and don't give him a chance to retaliate....you can't trust potheads, they'll lie, cheat, and steal. He's also a legal liability: you have something to lose, he does not.
Find a way to jettison him and do it soon. If his family is going to support him, he can find another apartment and be a pothead there.
If you feel bad, then consider this: if he gets arrested for posession, YOU are implicated, and he is so selfish that he doesn't care. ALSO, he could be talking to you guys to learn how to get another job, but instead he's giving up. If YOUR family is going to bail you out and you don't care about anything, then try to make it work, but otherwise just cut your losses and keep moving.
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find him a place within his price range and offer to cover whatever early termination fees may arise
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Haha I'm at least flattered that you remember me enough to realize that what you are saying is, in fact, very true lol.
But yeah, my friend and I just cannot stand him anymore and we're going to talk to him. I was totally fine with his smoking till 7 in the morning and all, but now I can't help but feel disgusted when I get back from work and his fat self is lazing on the couch, high as fuck, with weed smoke in the air. I must have counted him flicking the lighter on at least 30 times last Sunday. He took THIRTY hits in the span of 4-5 hours. Definition of sloth and glutton.
Lawyers & Police?? Some of you guys are ridiculous. Why can't you have a man to man conversation with the guy and just tell him to get his shit together. We've all had a shitty roommate at one time or another and have dealt with it the old fashioned way. Sooner or later the parental tit will stop flowing and he'll have to come clean to his folks.
Illegal drugs in the apartment is clearly unacceptable and can result in criminal legal trouble for OP. $500 is a small price to pay for not screwing this up and winding up on NYC's landlords blacklist, and will result in a better outcome for everyone.
Hire a lawyer to get some advice/instructions on what NOT to do so you cover your legal butt, THEN have the man-to-man conversation.
Yeah, i'm with Illini, you also don't know how the room mate is gonna react after man-to-man, he may go and sabotage OP in a bunch of different ways
Yeah. The lawyer isn't to sick a lawsuit on your roommate, he's just there to cover your backside BEFORE you go in and have the conversation with the roommate. The nightmare scenario is that the police show up and the roommate claims the pot belongs to you. Or that roomie quits paying rent. Or that landlord decides to evict everyone. He will probably ask you to start documenting stuff and it's very important that you follow his instructions.
You are not sending scary Cease and Desist letters. You are still having the conversation; it is just your insurance policy in case anything crazy goes down.
Okay... let's talk in real terms here, not hypos and what ifs. First off, I have had this happen to me. I think I've told a few people here the story, but the long and short is that I was living with a guy I knew from college. I knew he smoked weed, which would progress into him doing various drugs and steroids and caused him to fall 3 months behind on the rent before I evicted him for non-payment of rent. He was a fraternity brother of mine, so I couldn't help but try and be somewhat accommodating, as every excuse was oh, my next check should help me cover what I owe (he was working for a total chop shop boiler room), but after 3 months of bullshit excuses, I threw him out. I can give the whole story if you guys want, but that would be a massive expository undertaking.
Ant, I'm gonna steal the few questions that you asked and add to them since you're on the right track.
1) Who is on the lease? - Key. If he's on the lease, then your options are limited. That becomes a contractual obligation with him on it, and as a result, you would need to get a lawyer involved or mediate it so that he is willing to take his name off the lease. At the same time, reread the lease and look for any no smoking clauses. If they are there, then you have a case to warn him, if not, then your SOL on that regard. If nonpayment of rent on his part becomes an issue, you may be able to evict him, but sufficient notice needs to be given (I think it's 30 days under NY Landlord/Tenant Law, but I'm not certain) and you would need to bring him to court to collect. You may also need to bring him to court to have him removed from the contract unless he voluntarily agrees to do so.
2) Talk to him and have him keep the common area clean and tell him smoking weed in the apartment is not happening. - Unless there is a no smoking clause in the apartment lease, you don't smoke in your apartment out of respect for your roommates, but he doesn't need to do shit. He can smoke in his room for all it matters. Telling someone you cannot do something will only further encourage them to do it. Case and point, my ex-roommate. After repeatedly asking him not to smoke in front of company that wasn't cool with it in advance of me having friends over, he still went and did it just to spite me, my friends (all of whom he knew well) and the people I invited over to chill with that didn't smoke.
3) If he misses rent of continues to be a dirt ball I would give him one written notice, mentioning the weed, etc. - That can be valuable, but you would need to evict him and bring it up to the NY Landlord/Tenant to collect the rent owed plus have his name legally taken off the lease.
4) Talk to the landlord - Won't do anything and may get you all evicted for a violation of the lease. There may be distrust on the part of the landlord to let you guys stay in the apartment and he could use this as grounds for eviction, but it depends on the terms of the lease.
5) Police if needed. - Possession is 9/10ths of the law in this case. Because you are calling the cops on your deadbeat roommate, you will all get nailed with possession if he does not admit that it's his. I speak to this one from personal experience. After evicting my roommate, I ended up running into a police detective I knew. I was friends with his son back when we were in high school and I asked him, off the record, what would happen if I called the cops regarding my now ex-roommate being in possession of paraphernalia (two bowls and sterilized, fresh in the package needles), Schedule I narcotics (Weed), Schedule 3 Controlled Substances (Injectable Anabolic Steroids) in our apartment. After explaining the whole story, he said that unless you could, with certainty, prove that everything were his and he would admit to owning everything in question he was being charged with, you would get hit with possession as well and have charges filed against you regardless of your innocence. The degree of those charges would depend on what is in your apartment and the quantities and substances present in the apartment, however it's the same deal as being in a car with someone who is in possession of narcotics.
Here's the rub. This is a shitty situation. Take IP's advice and sit down with a landlord/tenant lawyer to come up with a plan of action for when civil discourse breaks down and then look to talk it out with the roommate. If you can work out your differences amicably, then more power to you, otherwise you guys are SOL and will need to take the court approach.
get yourself a 1-bedroom next time.
For the record, I like hanging out with potheads, their take on things is usually radically different than mine and the interplay of ideas is pretty cool. Most of the time, people are pretty discreet about drug use, so I don't even make an issue out of it. Thing is, and I hate to keep beating a dead horse: this particular person is a liability and you have to protect yourself.
You guys need to all get a life. The fact that he smokes weed is IRRELEVANT. You live with a messy roommate. That is your only problem. He is not interfering with you in any other way.
Agreed 100%, everyone who says to call the cops is a fucking tard.
Yeah because pot has been magically legalized. I am pretty sure criminal activity nullifies a lease. A neighbor reports pot smells coming from your apartment and your landlord checks this out and all of you are kicked out.
Also, who knows how much pot this guy has.
If you want to do drugs, cool, your business. When you are getting high and people in your apartment are not cool with it, that is a whole other story.
This is why I live alone. I had a dirt bag who I rented a room to. I told him to GTFO out day. He did. He also had money to buy pot but not pay me.
Always look out for #1.
Again, I need to second what ANT says. Fonz, the fact that he is using illegal drugs makes it 100% relevant. It's called illegal for a reason. You are responsible for what your roommates bring into the apartment when it comes to shit like this. As I said before, possession is 9/10ths of the law in narcotics cases. Plus, we only discussed the fact that he smokes weed and has a bowl. We do not know how much he has in his possession (which factors into how bad the charges will be) and whether or not there is anything that can be linked to intent to distribute, even if possession is not there. Having a Jeweler's scale and baggies is enough provided you have paraphernalia or the drugs present to get you all charged with possession with intent to distribute, something far worse than a regular possession charge.
Really... this is not unusually hard logic to grasp.
False, having baggies and a scale are not enough to get you on distribution charges (provided you can afford a somewhat decent lawyer). The amount of bud is all that matters.
Frieds noted that on his first post. No one said distribution charges. I think possession is what matters.
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How long is your lease? If its not long, and you're looking to avoid a confrontation, I would just let it run down and negotiate a new one without this jackass.
However,if that's not the case, your best course of action is to speak to a lawyer. If your landlord is cool, explain the situation to him. I would imagine you could mutually agree to cancel the contract, and renegotiate immediately, again without him.
Or just tell on him...to his mother. Let her deal with him.
Thanks, guys, for the insightful responses. Our cleaning lady came by today and the house is awesome, which is nice. He's also toned down the loserdom lifestyle lately, or maybe I'm just exposed to it less because I'm at work (the peak of my frustration was during the weekend when I saw him for more than 2 hours a day).
Anyway.. come back home, he's vacuuming, house is clean, smells good.. AWESOME, I'm thinking. Then I walk into the fucking kitchen and I fucking see two huge lamp things facing toward some stupid bowl with dirt. I ask him what it is and he goes, "oh, I'm trying to grow weed.. heh.. probably won't work.. but still!"
WHAT IF IT DOES WORK, JACK ASS? Our lease explicitly says no smoking of any sort in the house, so I'm going to just approach the landlord and get him kicked out. I don't want to involve the police. We also have locks on our doors so I can lock my room when I leave for work (which I do anyway because I don't trust this beady-eyed fuck).
I've never witnessed so much essence of pathetic captured within one fat piece of shit person.
I would be careful with dealing with your landlord. If you don't want to deal with the police but you tell your landlord some illegal shit is going down, chances are they might call the cops themselves just to cover their ass. I don't know, regardless of how much of a loser he is, I say just get your roommates together to give him some straight talk and if that doesn't work then fuck him.
First get him to keep all of his shit in his room. Say something like hey my mom/girlfriend/fuckbuddy/coworker might be coming ,i dont want her to see a pot-growing assembly or smell pot in common areas.
Second, make sure you lock your room at all times, to avoid him planting anything there to get you in trouble. Last thing you want is a baggie of meth or crack, or whatever else in the back of your closet. The thing about losers is that they can't pull themselves up, but they can definitely pull others down.
Third, i would def consider getting out of the house for the weekend, closing your rooms, and then calling the cops Saturday evening, with a complaint from neighbors about the smell coming down their vent.
Growing weed?! What the fuck is he, 16?
If the lease stated no smoking in the house, you should have consulted with the landlord long ago. However, I dint think smoking is going to get him kicked out, even if he is in breach. Landlords don't want the hassle of new tenants if you guys cannot afford the place. With him growing shit, no matter what you do you involve and I'm inclined to think he's going to call the cops. Smoking is one thing but growing opens up avenues for distribution charges.
Tough break man. Honestly, I would just sit down with him and explain what's up. Going behind his back could open a can of worms.
No, he's 24, maybe 25.
You guys are right. Maybe the best approach is to make him leave by himself by talking to him.
Man, I am definitely going to be living by myself the next time I move.
Fuck having roommates.
wow im amazed at the number of people that have actually mentioned bringing the law into the situation.
just fucking talk to him, jesus christ
Just be cool with the kid and tell him to tone it down, definitely stop growing weed and get a fucking job. He will understand if he's a halfway decent human being, then tell him you don't like that he smokes so much in the apt. but if he's willing to take the heat if the cops ever come than whatever...
Kill him.
Yeah weed is illegal, but in Massachusetts (assuming that's where OP is from according to his profile), it is decriminalized and warrants a $100 fine. So it is on par with speeding and jaywalking. Good luck with that. Call the cops and you'll just be fucking embarrassed when 1)you look like a whiny bitch 2)he gets away with a slap on the wrist 3)you lose out on any possibility of coming to a civil agreement on the matter.
You can veto the growing. If the smell bothers you, then just ask him to do it in his room. Both are reasonable requests. You're real issue is that he is messy. You're not the first person in the world to get stuck with a messy roommate. Sucks, bro. It happens. Get a maid, talk to him about the mess, hold work sessions where you are all cleaning at once, suck it up and clean it yourself - these are all solutions to your problem.
Or you can quit being a fucking pussy and just kill him already.
They already did, and unfortunately that hasn't worked.
calling cops is uber beta
If he's unemployed then he's probably going to run out of weed money soon enough. You probably would want to get it resolved earlier, but he'll have to find a job eventually...then the weed probably won't be as bothersome.
Also, maybe you could take the kid's weed and plants and just dispose of them. He has to store them somewhere. What's he going to do, call the cops?
Unemployed and smoking pot all the time. Shouldn't he be protesting banks or something.
the solution, mcfly, is for you to start dropping acid and for you to start scaring the shit out of him with your vision quests
how old are all these people responding with 'call the cops on him smoking weed and play it off as if the neighbors called' ? 10? lol.
if your group has a lease, and he's on the lease, then chances are it's going to be tough kicking him out. Your realistic options at this point are:
I had a similar roommate until last year and was equally pissed at the time, I had completely forgotten about that situation until reading this thread. Life goes on
We already have a cleaning lady and I just spent the last hour cleaning our house after last night's festivities. I also just poured vodka (Ketel One, the gentleman's choice) into his marijuana pots to kill the seeds.
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