That male model really is the 1%...in banking.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.
 

This is honest to God one of the most fucking retarded things I have ever seen. Even if meant as a joke, its dumb shits like you, doing pointless shit like this, that eggs those 'occupy' people on. Is it so fucking hard to just ignore them like a homeless guy on the subway? You've proven your worth by beating up the kid in the wheelchair. Congratulations, you are now the reigning king of faggotry, your chariot awaits.

 
olafenizer:
This is honest to God one of the most fucking retarded things I have ever seen. Even if meant as a joke, its dumb shits like you, doing pointless shit like this, that eggs those 'occupy' people on. Is it so fucking hard to just ignore them like a homeless guy on the subway? You've proven your worth by beating up the kid in the wheelchair. Congratulations, you are now the reigning king of faggotry, your chariot awaits.

^^my thoughts exactly.

OP: people like you make me sick. And you are not in the top 1%, you're probably still in college or unemployed. If you try to say otherwise you are probably trying to B.S.

 
IamObama:
Olafenizer...u mad?
Yes I am mad, for the reasons that everybody else explained here. At the time I just didn't have the patience to write much beyond a bunch of strung together insults and curse words.

My point though is this: it doesn't really matter what these people are for or against; they are out there to get attention and get a reaction out of you. By giving them a reaction, any reaction, you allow them to win. You validate their existence and validate that their being out there has purpose and value. OP unfortunately gives them the worst kind of reaction. They are baiting us, and OP swallowed it hook, line and sinker. The best thing to do is ignore them. By simply ignoring them, you show that their being out there banging on their pots and pans has no purpose, no value. As hard as it may be, the best thing to do is just shut up and let them bang their pots and pans. Eventually they will get bored, the city will get fed up with them, etc., and they will be sent along. By pulling immature shit like this, you just aggravate the situation and, yes, do allow broad generalizations to be made about the "finance community".

I went to school at UW-Madison and saw from start to finish that whole debacle back in February. I can also tell you that even early this summer before I left there was still a small group of people up there with their cardboard signs protesting Governor Walker. There will always be some guy who wants to bang on his kitchenware in the name of some cause. There is no sense in pointlessly aggravating the conflict. Or, if you are dead set on being an assclown, for fuck's sake at least be a little more creative in your attempt. A T-Shirt, really? That's the best you can do? Come back when you have a truckload of gasoline to pour on the fire, not a half empty squirt bottle of lighter fluid.

 
olafenizer:
IamObama:
Olafenizer...u mad?
Yes I am mad, for the reasons that everybody else explained here. At the time I just didn't have the patience to write much beyond a bunch of strung together insults and curse words.

My point though is this: it doesn't really matter what these people are for or against; they are out there to get attention and get a reaction out of you. By giving them a reaction, any reaction, you allow them to win. You validate their existence and validate that their being out there has purpose and value. OP unfortunately gives them the worst kind of reaction. They are baiting us, and OP swallowed it hook, line and sinker. The best thing to do is ignore them. By simply ignoring them, you show that their being out there banging on their pots and pans has no purpose, no value. As hard as it may be, the best thing to do is just shut up and let them bang their pots and pans. Eventually they will get bored, the city will get fed up with them, etc., and they will be sent along. By pulling immature shit like this, you just aggravate the situation and, yes, do allow broad generalizations to be made about the "finance community".

I went to school at UW-Madison and saw from start to finish that whole debacle back in February. I can also tell you that even early this summer before I left there was still a small group of people up there with their cardboard signs protesting Governor Walker. There will always be some guy who wants to bang on his kitchenware in the name of some cause. There is no sense in pointlessly aggravating the conflict. Or, if you are dead set on being an assclown, for fuck's sake at least be a little more creative in your attempt. A T-Shirt, really? That's the best you can do? Come back when you have a truckload of gasoline to pour on the fire, not a half empty squirt bottle of lighter fluid.

You really got a ton of sand stuck in your vagina. I am not trying to protest anything, I just bought a fucking t-shirt that I thought would be funny, thats all. And these fuckheads are already all over every news station what is me wearing a shirt going to do to add to their popularity.

 

Great. Now do us all a favor and wear that shirt at one of the protests- ideally near some really big guys from the Teamster's union. If some college student winds up getting mugged for wearing a stupid shirt, we'll know it's you. Otherwise, we'll know your mouth writes checks that your body can't cash.

As for me, I am going to hope and pray 2012 doesn't turn into 1848- or 1933 for that matter. Every ~80 years in the West, the top 1% gets replaced by other members of the top 10% with the help of the bottom 90%.

 
IlliniProgrammer:
Great. Now do us all a favor and wear that shirt at one of the protests- ideally near some really big guys from the Teamster's union. If some college student winds up getting mugged for wearing a stupid shirt, we'll know it's you. Otherwise, we'll know your mouth writes checks that your body can't cash.

As for me, I am going to hope and pray 2012 doesn't turn into 1848- or 1933 for that matter. Every ~80 years in the West, the top 1% gets replaced by other members of the top 10% with the help of the bottom 90%.

'Your mouth writing cheques that your butt can't cash.' Otherwise I agree with what you said.

 
GekkotheGreat:
IlliniProgrammer:
Great. Now do us all a favor and wear that shirt at one of the protests- ideally near some really big guys from the Teamster's union. If some college student winds up getting mugged for wearing a stupid shirt, we'll know it's you. Otherwise, we'll know your mouth writes checks that your body can't cash.

As for me, I am going to hope and pray 2012 doesn't turn into 1848- or 1933 for that matter. Every ~80 years in the West, the top 1% gets replaced by other members of the top 10% with the help of the bottom 90%.

'Your mouth writing cheques that your butt can't cash.' Otherwise I agree with what you said.

Or as we say in the Big Easy: Don't let that alligator mouth overload your canary ass.

 

Haha at the thought of teamsters bitching about cash. Every teamster I know isn't in the bottom 50%. I knew guys working for Chrysler making $120K a year.

 

I don't know man, other than a little protest, nothing is happening. Obama keeps losing approval rating points and Republicans continue to solidify and gain.

I think what went down in Wisconsin is a perfect example of all this. A lot of quiet conservatives who show up when it counts.

 

the 1% that is gonna stay 1% get a prius and make it a point to "identify with people"; that way they can redirect populist rage at the 10% who are trying too hard to appear as if they are 1% by being balls deep in their mortgage and car payment

More is good, all is better
 

chill out guys

I don't think the 1% is meant to be taken literally

"the 99%" is a mentality... an angry, disenfranchised mob. I don't consider myself part of the 99% even though I'm not in the top 1% of earners.

 
Solidarity:
chill out guys

I don't think the 1% is meant to be taken literally

"the 99%" is a mentality... an angry, disenfranchised mob. I don't consider myself part of the 99% even though I'm not in the top 1% of earners.

that's not the point. The point is that the shirt is arrogant, cocky, and not representative of how people who actually work in the industry look at society.

 

You need to understand that when people claim to speak for Wall Street and piss a bunch of people off, those people don't get pissed off at the idiot college student- they get pissed off at us. OP needs to go wear his shirt to an OWS rally rather than hide behind a keyboard.

I think some of them are very confused about what Wall Street actually is, but I wish the OWS folks well and hope they stay peaceful. OP needs to get a life and probably should not advertise his stupidity in any interviews, lest someone make it his mission in life to ensure OP stays in the bottom 99%.

 

This kid isn't the first person to claim to represent WS and act like a douchebag.

I think you're misunderstanding the issue. The problem does not lie with the idiot college students (e.g. the OP). It's the thought leaders who use sophistry and emphasize class struggle / causal oversimplification / false dilemma fallacies, and the brainwashed, disenfranchised people who listen to them. As long as the movement operates in this way, I don't think 100 Smith3408's would have even a marginal impact on society's view of Wall Street.

 

But then isn't the problem the average person on the street?

Because then the problem isn't limited to the average person's perception of Wall Street, it's a slippery slope and extends to well... just about everything

 

No, the person on the street is going to look at people with money and say it's not fair that he doesn't have some of that too. It has been this way since at least the Hyksos took over Egypt, and it is a natural self-correcting part of human society.

The underlying problem is the GINI coefficient. But the spark that causes the fuel to explode is the perception that bankers are arrogant and laugh at everyone else. That's not true and quite frankly we don't need people who think that way on the street.

 
IlliniProgrammer:
No, the person on the street is going to look at people with money and say it's not fair that he doesn't have some of that too. It has been this way since at least the Hyksos took over Egypt, and it is a natural self-correcting part of human society.

The underlying problem is the GINI coefficient. But the spark that causes the fuel to explode is the perception that bankers are arrogant and laugh at everyone else. That's not true and quite frankly we don't need people who think that way on the street.

I agree with the last two sentences. However, I'm pessimistic about being able to change the public's perception. There's so much WS vitriol in the media at this point it's easier to just ignore it and let the actual arrogant idiots fall on their own swords.

 

~$380,354+ was the 1% AGI as of the most recent data released (2008).

It is extremely comical to read comments from the American public in re: "We are the 1%" sign put up by the CBOT.

They were essentially all variations of "the real 1% doesn't even go to work at an office, so they're is no way they put those signs up." Yachts, helicopters, etc comments all followed because, as everyone knows, if you're making $500k you not only don't go to work, but you also own $30mm planes and have armies of servants.

Amazing. Where's a good plague when we need it?

 

The underlying problem is that pothead fucking hippies one day, after taking a few too many shrooms got the idea that if they get angry at rich people, it will solve all of their fucking problems. I am not in the top 1% yet, but if you work on WS the protestors are protesting you, so fuck these fucking hippies I'ma protest them.

To all you bitch ass haters, fuck you bitches.

 
Smith3408:
The underlying problem is that pothead fucking hippies one day, after taking a few too many shrooms got the idea that if they get angry at rich people, it will solve all of their fucking problems. I am not in the top 1% yet, but if you work on WS the protestors are protesting you, so fuck these fucking hippies I'ma protest them.

To all you bitch ass haters, fuck you bitches.

you make no sense.

 
Smith3408:
The underlying problem is that pothead fucking hippies one day, after taking a few too many shrooms got the idea that if they get angry at rich people, it will solve all of their fucking problems. I am not in the top 1% yet, but if you work on WS the protestors are protesting you, so fuck these fucking hippies I'ma protest them.

To all you bitch ass haters, fuck you bitches.

Don't worry. We're making it our personal goal to ensure you stay out of the top 1% until you develop a better attitude, so you don't have to worry about that for a while.

As for now, why not wear your "Top 1%" T-shirt to one of these protests and see what happens rather than hide behind a keyboard. I will be fine on Former Banker Island in Lake Superior while the country blows up. It's you guys I'm worried about.

 
IlliniProgrammer:
Smith3408:
The underlying problem is that pothead fucking hippies one day, after taking a few too many shrooms got the idea that if they get angry at rich people, it will solve all of their fucking problems. I am not in the top 1% yet, but if you work on WS the protestors are protesting you, so fuck these fucking hippies I'ma protest them.

To all you bitch ass haters, fuck you bitches.

Don't worry. We're making it our personal goal to ensure you stay out of the top 1% until you develop a better attitude, so you don't have to worry about that for a while.

As for now, why not wear your "Top 1%" T-shirt to one of these protests and see what happens rather than hide behind a keyboard. I will be fine on Former Banker Island in Lake Superior while the country blows up. It's you guys I'm worried about.

I will, and these hippies will get upset and whine until their parents explain to them that maybe spending $40k a year on an anthropology degree wasn't the best idea. Or maybe they'll just keep protesting and fuck up wall st, I dunno.

 
Smith3408:
The underlying problem is that pothead fucking hippies one day, after taking a few too many shrooms got the idea that if they get angry at rich people, it will solve all of their fucking problems. I am not in the top 1% yet, but if you work on WS the protestors are protesting you, so fuck these fucking hippies I'ma protest them.

To all you bitch ass haters, fuck you bitches.

it sounds as if you have eaten too many caps, not the hippies....

 

I saw these retards in Philly tonight. Bunch of derelicts. This is the hype of the year. Wow, unemployed people living in a park. That is going to help you find a job. Taxing rich people is surely going to help. All it will do is increase the amount of welfare payments these people get.

I reiterate. Look at the fools that showed up for Wisconsin. They "rocked" the capital and their voices were heard.

And nothing happened. Why? Because for every loud mouthed liberal there are 5 hard working conservatives.

College graduates have a 5% unemployment rate. Unskilled manufacturing is not coming back. Tanking the banks is only going to cause small business (largest employer in the USA) to suffer.

I say let them cut their nose off to spite their face. I have enough education that I will be just fine and dandy. End of the day they will get their token "vengeance" and go back to doing whatever those people do.

 

And I have to say, this is exactly what happens when you create class warfare. I am not from a blue blood background, but when you start targeting people who, on the whole. are highly educated and highly motivated, you cause people to pick sides.

This is 100% left driven. I am ok with agreeing that this is the Soro's Tea Party. My issue is that the Tea Party is about costing us all less and a smaller government. The burden of proof is a lot lower for that political stance. This group, whether you think the demands posted online are true or not, is left leaning, most likely for an increase in taxation and more regulation (aka larger government). I am still not convinced that more government aid would do anything.

If you want to bring manufacturing back to the states you have to lower corporate taxes, eliminate unnecessary regulation and provide incentives. The first two cost nothing. That will bring jobs back to the states.

Yes banks got a lot of money and they got off without being destroyed or broken up, but I cannot respect an organization that ignored the elephant in the room. GM, Freddie and Fannie were some of the biggest benefactors of government help and there is no one protesting them.

I also think this "he got a bailout so I deserve one" mentality is frightening. Whether you call it a bailout or some other form of government redistribution, plenty of people get hooked up without doing shit to deserve it.

I rent, where is my tax credit. I don't have kids, why am I fucked. I paid cash for my undergrad, why should someone who took loans out get paid and not me.

But yet I am not a whiny cunt. That is life. Some people got lucky, some didn't. You decide your fate. Unfortunately we have a subsection of society that is doing nothing but looking for a free score.

 
ANT:
And I have to say, this is exactly what happens when you create class warfare. I am not from a blue blood background, but when you start targeting people who, on the whole. are highly educated and highly motivated, you cause people to pick sides.

This is 100% left driven. I am ok with agreeing that this is the Soro's Tea Party. My issue is that the Tea Party is about costing us all less and a smaller government. The burden of proof is a lot lower for that political stance. This group, whether you think the demands posted online are true or not, is left leaning, most likely for an increase in taxation and more regulation (aka larger government). I am still not convinced that more government aid would do anything.

If you want to bring manufacturing back to the states you have to lower corporate taxes, eliminate unnecessary regulation and provide incentives. The first two cost nothing. That will bring jobs back to the states.

Yes banks got a lot of money and they got off without being destroyed or broken up, but I cannot respect an organization that ignored the elephant in the room. GM, Freddie and Fannie were some of the biggest benefactors of government help and there is no one protesting them.

I also think this "he got a bailout so I deserve one" mentality is frightening. Whether you call it a bailout or some other form of government redistribution, plenty of people get hooked up without doing shit to deserve it.

I rent, where is my tax credit. I don't have kids, why am I fucked. I paid cash for my undergrad, why should someone who took loans out get paid and not me.

But yet I am not a whiny cunt. That is life. Some people got lucky, some didn't. You decide your fate. Unfortunately we have a subsection of society that is doing nothing but looking for a free score.

Do you go to Wharton by any chance? Just wondering seeing as you're in Philly, B-School....you catch my drift.

Learn Programming, Lectures by Professor Mehran Sahami for the Stanford Computer Science Department http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkMDCCdjyW8
 
ANT:
And I have to say, this is exactly what happens when you create class warfare. I am not from a blue blood background, but when you start targeting people who, on the whole. are highly educated and highly motivated, you cause people to pick sides.

This is 100% left driven. I am ok with agreeing that this is the Soro's Tea Party. My issue is that the Tea Party is about costing us all less and a smaller government. The burden of proof is a lot lower for that political stance. This group, whether you think the demands posted online are true or not, is left leaning, most likely for an increase in taxation and more regulation (aka larger government). I am still not convinced that more government aid would do anything.

If you want to bring manufacturing back to the states you have to lower corporate taxes, eliminate unnecessary regulation and provide incentives. The first two cost nothing. That will bring jobs back to the states.

Yes banks got a lot of money and they got off without being destroyed or broken up, but I cannot respect an organization that ignored the elephant in the room. GM, Freddie and Fannie were some of the biggest benefactors of government help and there is no one protesting them.

I also think this "he got a bailout so I deserve one" mentality is frightening. Whether you call it a bailout or some other form of government redistribution, plenty of people get hooked up without doing shit to deserve it.

I rent, where is my tax credit. I don't have kids, why am I fucked. I paid cash for my undergrad, why should someone who took loans out get paid and not me.

But yet I am not a whiny cunt. That is life. Some people got lucky, some didn't. You decide your fate. Unfortunately we have a subsection of society that is doing nothing but looking for a free score.

You sir look like you want my T-Shirt.

 

But did you go to Wharton?

Learn Programming, Lectures by Professor Mehran Sahami for the Stanford Computer Science Department http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkMDCCdjyW8
 

What is so funny is that the financial sector is one of the largest tax bases for NYC. You kill the banks and NYC goes broke.

50% of the people in this country contribute nothing to the Federal budget, yet somehow they feel as if that isn't good enough. Talk about ingrates.

 

No haha. It's cool. Sometimes I forget not everyone knows my history. I did an MSF at Villanova. Hence the website in my posts.

 
ANT:
No haha. It's cool. Sometimes I forget not everyone knows my history. I did an MSF at Villanova. Hence the website in my posts.

he lies he did a bach in chemical engineering at MIT then a masters in finance at princeton, finally he ended at harvard with a mba.

he is also almost a partner at kkr

 

Fuck wearing a shirt bros. We need to go out there and physically fight these mofos after work.

We need to force them to retreat back to Williamsburg.

Bring whatever you can get your hands on, staplers, your mouse, pitchbooks, CIMs, your blackberry, and let's use them as weapons when we charge the OccupyWallStreet mobs.

Even if they outnumber all the analysts and associates on the street 10-1, we'll still win, because we have true grit, and they don't.

 
Aviator:
Fuck wearing a shirt bros. We need to go out there and physically fight these mofos after work.

We need to force them to retreat back to Williamsburg.

Bring whatever you can get your hands on, staplers, your mouse, pitchbooks, CIMs, your blackberry, and let's use them as weapons when we charge the OccupyWallStreet mobs.

Even if they outnumber all the analysts and associates on the street 10-1, we'll still win, because we have true grit, and they don't.

I like this.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.
 
Flake:
Aviator:
Fuck wearing a shirt bros. We need to go out there and physically fight these mofos after work.

We need to force them to retreat back to Williamsburg.

Bring whatever you can get your hands on, staplers, your mouse, pitchbooks, CIMs, your blackberry, and let's use them as weapons when we charge the OccupyWallStreet mobs.

Even if they outnumber all the analysts and associates on the street 10-1, we'll still win, because we have true grit, and they don't.

I am envisioning something like this.

I like this.

[quote=patternfinder]Of course, I would just buy in scales. [/quote] See my WSO Blog | my AMA
 

OP, you're a fuckin' prick and odds are (given that you fail to understand the dynamics of the OWS/Occupy Whereverthefuck sentiment) you're a pipe dreamer with little chance of ending up in the top 1%.

Point is, although I don't contest that the protesters are misguided, misinformed and unwilling to take responsibility for their own shortcoming and mistakes; aggravating the "proles" in such an irreverent manner will only create a more inhospitable political climate to be borne against Wall Street by whatever new (or old) force takes the reigns in 2012. Part of being a "hardworking conservative" is shutting the hell up and swallowing whatever drivel extremists are peddling with a smile on. Disorganized and disruptive demonstrations won't destroy the banks or replace the top 1%; an attitude of combative disdain on their part will. And as unfortunate as it is... little college douchebags like the OP who jerk off to Michael Douglas posters are taken as an indication of the arrogance and lack of altruism on the street.

‎"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."
 
Independent Gestion:
OP, you're a fuckin' prick and odds are (given that you fail to understand the dynamics of the OWS/Occupy Whereverthefuck sentiment) you're a pipe dreamer with little chance of ending up in the top 1%.

Point is, although I don't contest that the protesters are misguided, misinformed and unwilling to take responsibility for their own shortcoming and mistakes; aggravating the "proles" in such an irreverent manner will only create a more inhospitable political climate to be borne against Wall Street by whatever new (or old) force takes the reigns in 2012. Part of being a "hardworking conservative" is shutting the hell up and swallowing whatever drivel extremists are peddling with a smile on. Disorganized and disruptive demonstrations won't destroy the banks or replace the top 1%; an attitude of combative disdain on their part will. And as unfortunate as it is... little college douchebags like the OP who jerk off to Michael Douglas posters are taken as an indication of the arrogance and lack of altruism on the street.

I am actually not that far off from the 1% and considering my age, I think I am doing just fine and pretty far from a "pipe dreamer."

Additionally, I don't think the protestors themselves understand the dynamics of their themselves, so it's pretty much fucking impossible that anybody else does.

Never jerked off to Michael Douglas, not even once and I graduated college a few years back.

 
Smith3408:
I am actually not that far off from the 1% and considering my age, I think I am doing just fine and pretty far from a "pipe dreamer."
Please go back to your dorm room and let the adults handle this. Many of the folks telling you to stop ARE in the top 1% or 2% overall for household AGIs.

A lot of us have been there in the bottom 99%. And regardless of your feelings about whether the protesters are right or wrong, it never helps to make people angrier.

 

Case. Fuckin'. Closed.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
 
trailmix8:
cphbravo96:
Case. Fuckin'. Closed.

Regards

weak, what a waste of time.

didn't watch the entire video, but it was creepy as hell that everyone just parroted the main speaker... talk about human drones

 
trailmix8:
cphbravo96:
Case. Fuckin'. Closed.

Regards

weak, what a waste of time.

Exactly the point I was making. This whole thing is a waste of time. You have a few hundred people trying to decide whether to alter the planned agenda to allow someone to speak and it literally takes them 8 minutes to figure out that they can't come to a consensus so they don't know what to do and end up saying 'no' and continuing on with their agenda.

A bunch of clowns. I hope they vote on where to order dinner next and their chants slowly fade away as they pass out from starvation, lol.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
 
olafenizer:
At least pick an appropriate font then.. "Comic Sans MS" is much more suitable for a joke such as you than "Old English"

Lies, Old English makes it seem proper and something my MD's father would approve of. Comic Sans would make it seem like I bought the shirt from Tshirthell.com.

 

Old English makes it seem like you're part of some LA Mexican street gang, in which case get that shit tatoo'd homes. Ideally as a tramp stamp, but if you already have one then I guess the shoulders will suffice. Either way, you are still an immature bitch.

 
IlliniProgrammer:
You're going to lose it. We've kicked out naturalized citizens before, smarty-pants. If the protesters get angry enough, they WILL send you and everyone else who wasn't born here back to Ukraine, India, Korea, France, etc.

I'm dissapointed Illini. You're being kind of a pussbag. We need to show these chodes what Wall Street is about.

 
Aviator:
IlliniProgrammer:
You're going to lose it. We've kicked out naturalized citizens before, smarty-pants. If the protesters get angry enough, they WILL send you and everyone else who wasn't born here back to Ukraine, India, Korea, France, etc.

I'm dissapointed Illini. You're being kind of a pussbag. We need to show these chodes what Wall Street is about.

I agree, and when the fuck were naturalized citizens deported? Are you retarded? More than half of bankers/lawyers/doctors wouldn't be in the country then.

 
IlliniProgrammer:
Google the Chinese Exclusion Act. Also you can lose your citizenship if you are convicted of a felony.

Did you seriously just bring up something from the 19th century as precedent? Why don't you go around telling blacks that they can all be slaves soon, or maybe they'll have to use seperate bathrooms? The Jim Crow Laws are much more recent than the Chinese Exclusion Act.

 

You really don't understand how a revolution or near-revolution works, do you? There are no rights where an angry mob is concerned.

And yet you continue to foolishly egg them on. Just know that if this really does blow up to the point that they are redistributing capital (another violation of the constitution), your citizenship is fair game. The anti-wall street crowd wants to kick the bankers out of the country. You are particularly at risk due to the fact that you were not born here and spent a number of years in Ukraine before you got here.

I don't think it's going to get to that point, but I do know that the 60 years of relative peace and prosperity that the US enjoyed between 1945 and 2008 is now over, and it's possible that it could. By increasing the likelihood, you are digging your own extradition.

We need cooler heads to prevail on both sides, or we risk turning into Greece.

 
IlliniProgrammer:
You really don't understand how a revolution or near-revolution works, do you? There are no rights where an angry mob is concerned.

And yet you continue to foolishly egg them on. Just know that if this really does blow up to the point that they are redistributing capital (another violation of the constitution), your citizenship is fair game. The anti-wall street crowd wants to kick the bankers out of the country. You are particularly at risk due to the fact that you were not born here and spent a number of years in Ukraine before you got here.

I don't think it's going to get to that point, but I do know that the 60 years of relative peace and prosperity that the US enjoyed between 1945 and 2008 is now over, and it's possible that it could. By increasing the likelihood, you are digging your own extradition.

Yes my years spent between the ages of 0-11 makes me high risk for extradition. Do you realize the stupidity you are preaching? There is a better chance we have slavery then we kick out everyone who wasn't born in this country.

 

Ummm actually yes it does. You really are a moron. And I do believe if these people had their way you they may begin to make claims of potential financial terrorism. When bankers are charged for deliberately hurting the economy I do believe you, who were not born on U.S. soil, could easily be sent right back to Ukraine.

It happens all the time to people convicted of crimes. I suggest you join Privat Bank (some bank in the Ukraine, apparently they are big there).

Now you can definitely wear that 1% shirt over in the Ukraine. No argument there, you will be the top of the top in the country.

 
IlliniProgrammer:
They're a bunch of clowns, but we need to take this seriously. Look at what's happening in Greece and seems to be spreading to Spain. It's still very unlikely, but this could end with mob rule, and stupid stuff like this increases those chances.

Fortunate for us, and unfortunate for them, we have well trained police forces and the National Guard at the state's disposal. We also use guns and force and not megaphones and bribes, lol.

I hope things don't get out of control because I don't want people to get hurt, but the mentality of our government and their agents (i.e. law enforcement and soldiers) is going to be far different from that in Europe.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
 

Sure, but do you think the police are happy about us egging on the crowd? Also, much more hard-line countries- some with heavy US training like Egypt- have also lost control, though with more blood on both sides. Also have a lot of retired gun-toting military folks in this country who are hard-line libertarian and may very well side with the protesters on blocking a bailout under the right conditions.

IF the protests get bigger and IF Wall Street gets bailed out of Europe against popular unrest, and IF the mob turns violent, this is a lose-lose for Wall Street. People will see their relatives as having gotten killed and shot at for standing what they thought was right, and rush to their defense. You will lose the support of some of the wealthy elite like Soros, Buffett, and the like, and they may even provide capital support to the protesters. Regardless, you'll lose the true middle class (top 10% ex 1%) which constitutes the middle 1/3 of the wealth in this country. RPGs will not be that hard to sneak into the country when the police are busy beating up your friends. This could easily turn into Syria if enough dice roll the wrong way. America also has a mentality that if it's own government turns against the people, there's no reason to show restraint or avoid violence to take down the system. Church pastors will come out citing Isaiah and Jeremiah claiming the rich have looted the Lord's vineyard and that if the 100 million Christians in this country die in the fighting, God's got their back. Even if the establishment somehow "wins" against millions of protesters less worried about death than they are and control of 2/3 of the nation's capital, it still loses. The market moves to Hong Kong, and we are left with a burnt-out shell of a country.

I have a better idea. Let's just not taunt the protesters. If TSHTF and it turns into a lose-lose for everyone, it never hurts for everybody to hate each other a little less. Carry a big stick, but speak softly too.

 
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Sure, but do you think the police are happy about us egging on the crowd? Also, much more hard-line countries- some with heavy US training like Egypt- have also lost control, though with more blood on both sides. Also have a lot of retired gun-toting military folks in this country who are hard-line libertarian and may very well side with the protesters on blocking a bailout under the right conditions.

Quite true. The vitriol spewed on some of the gun forums that I frequent rivals that of OWS.

 

I don't think OWS is really a big movement that is supported in it's "demands". Overall there are a lot of conservatives in this country that will stop the socialist demands of OWS. Hopefully the one thing that gets through is the end of bailouts- something most people agree on I think.

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What is the total marching strength? One post mentioned 200 in Cleveland. Philly has a couple hundred.

Ok, let's assume that outside of NYC, the protests are about 300 strong per city (this is high since I doubt 300 people are in Buffalo and I have read reports of around 300 in Boston).

300 x 71 cities (not counting NYC) = 21,300 people across America

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/19/occupy-w…

This report says 5,000 in NYC. How about we say 20,000 people. That was their original goal anyway.

That is ~40,000 people protesting across America

312 Million Americans

These protests are less than .01% of America and American citizens.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=6715802

80,000 tickets sold for a college football game

This crap is the hype of the century.

 
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It is a little over-hyped, but I think the problem is that it's really starting to get more and more media play. A lot of young people are starting to romanticize this and see it as their "Civil Rights" movement. Now granted, it hasn't gotten anywhere near that point yet, and it's nowhere near as important or have as fundamental a belief (there are like 50 things being protested anyway), but the poor baby boomers who fear SS cuts and healthcare cuts, along with an unemployed youth, could make this a lot bigger in terms of shear numbers. Most of the cities are pretty weakly represented, but I have heard over 1k in LA, Seattle, and Portland. I don't know what the changing weather is going to do to a lot of these, but their rate of growth lately is pretty significant in my opinion.

I don't agree with a lot of what they say, but one thing I do really believe in, as far as their causes go, is the complete joke our political system has become. I don't care who is in office, Dem or Repub, they both are complete fucking jokes that don't and wont ever actually accomplish anything. They pander to idiotic issues that have zero real relative value to their voters. They both waste money like crazy, and neither really controls what happens to us economically. I don't think it was Clinton or Dems that really led to that huge surplus in the 90's, and I don't think it was Bush that led to the current issues either. I don't blame Obama now, and when we recover, I wont credit whichever party happens to be in control. We have gotten what we have gotten in spite of them all and not because of them all. Neither ever has any real power when in office because their decisions are always relatively middle of road. Nothing actually gets done in Washington.

"It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed." Theodore Roosevelt
 
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I don't agree with a lot of what they say, but one thing I do really believe in, as far as their causes go, is the complete joke our political system has become. I don't care who is in office, Dem or Repub, they both are complete fucking jokes that don't and wont ever actually accomplish anything. They pander to idiotic issues that have zero real relative value to their voters. They both waste money like crazy, and neither really controls what happens to us economically. I don't think it was Clinton or Dems that really led to that huge surplus in the 90's, and I don't think it was Bush that led to the current issues either. I don't blame Obama now, and when we recover, I wont credit whichever party happens to be in control. We have gotten what we have gotten in spite of them all and not because of them all. Neither ever has any real power when in office because their decisions are always relatively middle of road. Nothing actually gets done in Washington.

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