Israel ready to strike
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on 1/15/12 at 11:37am
Israel is ready to strike....what do u guys think?





Seems to me like the
Seems to me like the diplomats are slowly fueling the fire themselves...I still don't get the notion of why Israel is allowed to have nuclear weapons to protect itself (you don't need them for protection though) and Iran is not. A smart solution (if the world were fair) would be to ask Israel to stop its nuclear program and then pressure Iran to do the same and allow the international community strict monitoring of its facilities. Nuclear weapons are there to flex muscles, which i bet will eventually lead to war. I understand Iran is supposedly our enemy, but really they are no threat to us and I believe that if Israel had no nuclear weapons to flex their muscles, Iran would have less incentive to have them as well.
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Maybe because if Israel had
Maybe because if Israel had no nukes then all of the psycho leaders in the Middle East would get together and destroy it. How can you say Iran is no threat to us if they had nukes? Their leaders have a screw loose. Not something I want to leave to chance.
bossman wrote: Seems to me
Seems to me like the diplomats are slowly fueling the fire themselves...I still don't get the notion of why Israel is allowed to have nuclear weapons to protect itself (you don't need them for protection though) and Iran is not. A smart solution (if the world were fair) would be to ask Israel to stop its nuclear program and then pressure Iran to do the same and allow the international community strict monitoring of its facilities. Nuclear weapons are there to flex muscles, which i bet will eventually lead to war. I understand Iran is supposedly our enemy, but really they are no threat to us and I believe that if Israel had no nuclear weapons to flex their muscles, Iran would have less incentive to have them as well.
Moral equivalence, the kind of stuff you only hear from a moron. Iran has threatened to wipe Israel of the planet- it is led by religious fanatics. Israel acquiring nuclear weapons = Iran? What world do you live in?
yl715 wrote: Iran has
Iran has threatened to wipe Israel of the planet- it is led by religious fanatics.
In case you haven't been reading the news lately - so is Israel.
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Otter. wrote: yl715
Iran has threatened to wipe Israel of the planet- it is led by religious fanatics.
In case you haven't been reading the news lately - so is Israel.
The point is, Israel is the one sponsoring terrorism.
Oh wait.
bossman wrote: I still don't
I still don't get the notion of why Israel is allowed to have nuclear weapons to protect itself (you don't need them for protection though) and Iran is not. A smart solution (if the world were fair) would be to ask Israel to stop its nuclear program and then pressure Iran to do the same and allow the international community strict monitoring of its facilities.
Yes, every country in the world deserves to be treated equally! Because all countries, after all, behave the same. Duh! It's so simple!
All US citizens should be treated the same. If you violently threaten someone, that someone can't ask for a restraining order...because that'd be treating someone unfairly.
Countries like Iran are mature and reasonable participants in the world community exactly like every other country. They don't sponsor terrorism, either, so that's good. It's not fair that they should be treated or viewed differently JUST because of ties to Hezbollah, Hamas.
I think we should reason with the Iranian government. It sympathizes with people that blow themselves up, but I'm sure Iran will come to its senses at some point.
Otter. wrote: yl715
Iran has threatened to wipe Israel of the planet- it is led by religious fanatics.
In case you haven't been reading the news lately - so is Israel.
True. But religious fanatics in Israel try to gender-segregate buses, not annihilate millions of people. I'm as opposed to the former as the next guy, but I think the latter is more necessitating of military intervention.
bossman wrote: Seems to me
Seems to me like the diplomats are slowly fueling the fire themselves...I still don't get the notion of why Israel is allowed to have nuclear weapons to protect itself (you don't need them for protection though) and Iran is not. A smart solution (if the world were fair) would be to ask Israel to stop its nuclear program and then pressure Iran to do the same and allow the international community strict monitoring of its facilities. Nuclear weapons are there to flex muscles, which i bet will eventually lead to war. I understand Iran is supposedly our enemy, but really they are no threat to us and I believe that if Israel had no nuclear weapons to flex their muscles, Iran would have less incentive to have them as well.
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And Israel is not a member of the non-proliferation treaty either.
Israel is the #1 recipient of US aid closely followed by Egypt. Both countries hate one another and use the money to purchase weapons = US arming enemies.
BeastMode & yl715, -
BeastMode & yl715,
- Admenajad's comments about Israel have been exaggerated and misinterpreted (he said so himself). Just google the subject and you'll see subjective interpretations of the imperfect translation. Even so if I were to say that the Giants were going to kill the Packers today I obviously don't mean it in the literal sense.
- Pakistan has threatened to nuke India.
- North Korea has threatened to nuke South Korea.
- China has threatened to nuke Taiwan if it continues to pursue succession.
For these latter points I don't see the US military getting too engaged in those matters. Otherwise we should've invaded Pakistan, North Korea or China by now right?
Iran is not the aggressor, the US is. In 1953 the US CIA helped overthrow a DEMOCRATICALLY elected government of Iran and installed a fundamental religious, military government, authoritarian Shah. Half a century later we have blowback. Our CIA also put Saddam Hussein in power and even helped Osama bin Laden during Afghanistan's war with the Soviet Union. What has that achieved? Let's stop meddling in the middle east.
The US operates under the guise of "democracy spreading" to pursue it's own imperialist interests in the middle east.
I think Iran isn't as crazy
I think Iran isn't as crazy as some of the pols make it out to be. I would rather them not have a nuke, but I see why they want one. It is 100% assurance that they will not be invaded. Libya- gone, Iraq- gone, but the U.S.S.R...never actually attacked. It would probably be wiser to remove all nukes from Israel and have the U.S. say "This is our ally, if you attack her, we will come at you with our full force". But having Israel armed with a ton of nukes is a huge spark for that area- even though I like Netanyahu, I think that Iranians see Netanyahu as we see Ahmadinejad. Right now we have the yoke on Israel- so they won't do anything rash- but the U.S. pulls back...watch out!
Reality hits you hard, bro...
mb666 wrote: Iran is not the
Iran is not the aggressor
Of course not. The terrorists they support are.
The way I see it, the Middle
The way I see it, the Middle East is basically the Balkans pre-World War 1. It is an incomprehensible web of social, ethnic, and political divides. We cannot play referee indefinitely. There will be an inciting incident that results in a large scale conflict, either by a state or non-state actor.
The best we can do, from the perspective of self-interest, is stay out. Maybe funnel resources to Israel and other democratic interests, but otherwise stay out. If we get involved in any international conflict over there, the US will be the target of any resentment for decades to come.
swagon wrote: mb666
Iran is not the aggressor
Of course not. The terrorists they support are.
Which ones?
With regards to Hezbollah even American Congressmen can't agree whether it is a terrorist organization or a resistance movement. Hezbollah actually condemned 9/11 and they deny any attacks. Even so let's say Iran funds Hezbollah... what's so different w/ our CIA going into other countries and f*king with their sovereign affairs? Both countries are meddling outside their jurisdiction right?
Talking about terrorists, 15 out of the 19 of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Osama bin Laden is Saudi too. I see more of a Saudi link with terrorism than I do with Iran and yet we are buddies with the Saudis.
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The way I see it, the Middle East is basically the Balkans pre-World War 1. It is an incomprehensible web of social, ethnic, and political divides. We cannot play referee indefinitely. There will be an inciting incident that results in a large scale conflict, either by a state or non-state actor.
The best we can do, from the perspective of self-interest, is stay out. Maybe funnel resources to Israel and other democratic interests, but otherwise stay out. If we get involved in any international conflict over there, the US will be the target of any resentment for decades to come.
Good analysis.
As I wrote earlier we've already been involved for half a century... and now we have blowback (i.e. 9/11)... hostility with some countries.
Let's not forget that we overthrew Iran's democratic government and installed the Shah, we helped Saddam Hussein rise to power and we funded Osama bin Laden during the Soviet Union-Afghan war. Result = blowback.
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mb666 wrote: swagon
we should definitely stop
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mb666 wrote: Who has Iran
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