Kobe Bryant VS Michael Jordan
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on 6/4/10 at 12:37am
Kobe Bryant or Jordan? If you had to start a team who would you rather have? when all is said and done I think Kobe will be ahead of Jordan. The guy already has more NBA finals appearances than Jordan. I say he has at least 2 or even 3 more years of "good" basketball left in him. Now you can make the argument that Kobe had Shaq But Jordan had Rodman, Pippen, and Tony Kukoc. What do you think? By the way i hate Kobe.





Jordan was more of a team
Jordan was more of a team player, I'd definitely take him.
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Why do you hate Kobe? Do you
Why do you hate Kobe? Do you have any original answers besides the alleged "rape" and him asking for a trade a few years back?
Jordan was not more a team player. I would take Jordan because he has an even more killer instinct than Kobe, but not because he was more about the "team". They are both selfish pricks with good enough supporting casts that has helped them win big time.
These things inherently get
These things inherently get skewed to the present. Throw up a poll on espn.com about the greatest players ever and inevitably the "winner" played in the last 10 years.
I'll take Jordan, and Kobe isn't second.
Legends of different eras...
Legends of different eras...
What, Kobe isn't even the
What, Kobe isn't even the best player in the league today...not even 2nd best...
Oh and go look at some of his fourth quarter stats, horrendous.
^^^ this... Kobe *may* be top
^^^ this...
Kobe *may* be top 5 all time. He may be the best player right now. But Jordan was definitely a better team player AND better at defense AND he was better at finding the basket
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No he's not top 5 all time,
No he's not top 5 all time, and this isn't Kobe hate, I respect him, but let's have a little perspective here. He's not even one of the top 3 players in Laker history: Kareem, Magic, Shaq
Hahah you're kidding me
Hahah you're kidding me right? Who is then.. lebron? And not even 2nd best? Jesus christ this is the mob mentality of America.
And of course, stats explain everything and all rankings of players in all sports should be based on stats..
if kobe played in the mid 80s
if kobe played in the mid 80s to the late 90s, he would definitely be regarded as "the best player to ever play the game", too bad he came later where ppl were missing Jordan's plays and hating on Kobe being like him in almost every facet of the game.
Jordan was a pioneer in sports advertising, media, the Internet became popular, so he fits snuggly into a period where he received more attention that Magic and Bird, and was the face of the NBA. Pretty tough for Kobe to follow that no matter how well he does...
Kobe has a longer range, better shooter, and more athletic... Jordan was a better leader... I'm a fan of both players, but I'll take Jordan by a slim margin... still can't say the words "Kobe is better" yet... but with the 6th and 7th title, i just might...
^^ agreed. Jordan by a slim
^^ agreed. Jordan by a slim margin, but Kobe can be entered into the conversation. I cannot say that Lebron can be though.
And Shaq as a better Laker than Kobe? You do realize towards the last few years of the Shaq-Kobe era when Shaq was still in the later years of his "prime" Kobe became the go-to guy, averaging near, if not more, points than Shaq?
Shaq may be an all-time center, but to say he was a better Laker than Kobe has been is quite ludicrous.
Please...Jordan, and it isn't
Please...Jordan, and it isn't even close.
Go take a look at the numbers Jordan put up in the playoffs, especially in the finals. Absolutely untouchable. If I recall correctly, I think he averaged 42 ppg against the Suns in the 1993 finals. Completely insane.
Not to mention, Jordan never played second fiddle to anyone and was always the alpha dog.
This really isn't even up for debate.
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This is just asinine, to say
This is just asinine, to say Kobe was better than Shaq is insanity. Kobe wasn't near the player Shaq was when he was on the Lakers, Shaq dominated the league. Kobe never took over the league like that...I'm not going to go into this one...I don't know what you're talking about "averaging near, if not more, points than Shaq" as if this statement is relevant at all to the discussion.
But to some of the above posters: to suggest that Kobe would have been "great" in the 80's and is close to Jordan is insane.
If Jordan played today with the way players are babied by the officials, he'd probably score 45 points per game. In the days of Magic, Larry and even Jordan, players used to get raped by the other team. It was a physical, vicious game, go look back at some tapes from the early 90's of Jordan against the Knicks in the playoffs. In those days you had to drive a tank to get into the lane. Today you can't even look at players wrong. Do you know how much help Kobe gets from the referees, as do all the stars from today. I'll be schocked if Kevin Durant doesn't average 40 points one year with today's rules.
Stop being such little fanboys. Even for today, Kobe isn't nearly as gifted as Lebron, though he has a better overall game and basketball IQ. And as far as overall ability and drive, he doesn't have what Dwyane Wade has, the only guy in the league today that can take over an entire playoffs by himself. Just look at the 2006 Finals, Kobe's body of work has nothing even near that masterpiece. I realize some of you may have been in preschool at the time so you'll have to go back and watch a lot of tape. Could you imagine if Kobe was surrounded by the teammates Wade and Lebron were over the past 4 years?
Actually, we saw what happened when Kobe had average teammates, they went 40-42 and missed the playoffs. The one year they did make the playoffs they took the Suns to the limit before Kobe disappeared in the second half of game 7. We saw the poisonous looks towards teammates, the trade demands...etc. Do you know what happened when Magic had average teammates? They won 57 games and went to the NBA Finals before they got overmatched by a far superior Bulls team. Do you know what happened when Kareem had terrible teammates? They came one game shy of reaching the NBA Finas.
Kobe is not in the discussion with Jordan, it's ridiculous; and there are several players I would take above Jordan.
TheKing, I mostly agree with
TheKing,
I mostly agree with you. However, while you say Jordan never played second fiddle to anyone and was always the alpha dog and it's true, it's also unfair to compare that situation to that of Kobe's. Jordan came into the league about 3-4 years older than Kobe to a shitty team. Of course, he'd be alpha dog.. Kobe would have been alpha dog would he have been shipped off to a shitty team. By Kobe 3rd, 4th season (around the age Jordan entered the league, he was making all-nba teams).
Jordan would still be pick though, but still as a poster said above.. legends of different eras
Okay rebelcross, I digress.
Okay rebelcross, I digress. However, I would like to hear the "several" players you would take over Jordan.
I like how people always say
I like how people always say " i would take shaq/kareem/blah" over kobe.
They dont even play the same position! You can't possibly compare a center to a guard. Do you want your center to take the last shot of the game?!
Back to the topic, I think Jordan has a slight edge on Kobe because of his insane mid range jump shot that nobody could ever guard.
However, if you are talking about a buzzer beater..I would go with Kobe because Kobe is got ridiculous range.
Defense they are about the same.
Jordan was as much of the ballhog like Kobe.
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I'll just take Phil Jackson
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