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11/10/11

Joe P fired. President Fired. AD step down.

Penn State is in shambles and the students are rioting....

Here is the grand jury read it for yourself and come up with your own conclusions
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/feature?section=news&i...

Making it worse

http://deadspin.com/5859075/judge-who-set-unsecured-bail-for-jerry-sandusky-is-a-second-mile-volunteer

This case gets more and more ridiculous...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/penn-state-scandal-sandus...

The lawyer now says they have the boy from the shower....and he will testify that he wasn't raped by Sandusky...UNBELIEVABLE

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11/10/11

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

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11/10/11
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

why we as a country are obsessed with sporting leagues occupied by felons-in-the-making with nothing but contempt for the rest of us puzzles me.

11/10/11
ivoteforthatguy:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

why we as a country are obsessed with sporting leagues occupied by felons-in-the-making with nothing but contempt for the rest of us puzzles me.

I agree. Just another symptom of our country's decline. Seeing a bunch of grown men cheer and go crazy over a group of thugs playing football is pretty hilarious.

11/10/11
Brady4MVP:
ivoteforthatguy:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

why we as a country are obsessed with sporting leagues occupied by felons-in-the-making with nothing but contempt for the rest of us puzzles me.

I agree. Just another symptom of our country's decline. Seeing a bunch of grown men cheer and go crazy over a group of thugs playing football is pretty hilarious.

i wonder whether we as a country were smarter as an electorate when we didn't have mass low culture. today it's sports and kardashasians, but it goes as far back as hearst newspapers and yellow journalism.

the fact that you can toss a ball farther or catch it better than 99% of the population gets you a pass on a lot of things in this country. if kobe couldn't ball, he'd be in prison like any other rapist. apparently this privilege is extended to coaches as well. if joe p were coaching HS ball and not famous, he'd be looking at a couple of years of prison time for failing to report a dangerous serial child molester.

oh well this is going to be an interesting clash between two distinctly american phenomena: the insane reverence for football and the insane hatred of child molesters. it's going to be explosive.

11/10/11
ivoteforthatguy:

oh well this is going to be an interesting clash between two distinctly american phenomena: the insane reverence for football and the insane hatred of child molesters. it's going to be explosive.

this is the best line ive seen about it so far.

looking for that pick-me-up to power through an all-nighter?
11/11/11
ivoteforthatguy:
Brady4MVP:
ivoteforthatguy:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

why we as a country are obsessed with sporting leagues occupied by felons-in-the-making with nothing but contempt for the rest of us puzzles me.

I agree. Just another symptom of our country's decline. Seeing a bunch of grown men cheer and go crazy over a group of thugs playing football is pretty hilarious.

i wonder whether we as a country were smarter as an electorate when we didn't have mass low culture. today it's sports and kardashasians, but it goes as far back as hearst newspapers and yellow journalism.

the fact that you can toss a ball farther or catch it better than 99% of the population gets you a pass on a lot of things in this country. if kobe couldn't ball, he'd be in prison like any other rapist. apparently this privilege is extended to coaches as well. if joe p were coaching HS ball and not famous, he'd be looking at a couple of years of prison time for failing to report a dangerous serial child molester.

oh well this is going to be an interesting clash between two distinctly american phenomena: the insane reverence for football and the insane hatred of child molesters. it's going to be explosive.

you boys sound jealous you didn't make the high school football team

My drinkin' problem left today, she packed up all her bags and walked away.

11/11/11
Kenny Powers:
ivoteforthatguy:
Brady4MVP:
ivoteforthatguy:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

why we as a country are obsessed with sporting leagues occupied by felons-in-the-making with nothing but contempt for the rest of us puzzles me.

I agree. Just another symptom of our country's decline. Seeing a bunch of grown men cheer and go crazy over a group of thugs playing football is pretty hilarious.

i wonder whether we as a country were smarter as an electorate when we didn't have mass low culture. today it's sports and kardashasians, but it goes as far back as hearst newspapers and yellow journalism.

the fact that you can toss a ball farther or catch it better than 99% of the population gets you a pass on a lot of things in this country. if kobe couldn't ball, he'd be in prison like any other rapist. apparently this privilege is extended to coaches as well. if joe p were coaching HS ball and not famous, he'd be looking at a couple of years of prison time for failing to report a dangerous serial child molester.

oh well this is going to be an interesting clash between two distinctly american phenomena: the insane reverence for football and the insane hatred of child molesters. it's going to be explosive.

you boys sound jealous you didn't make the high school football team

lol.

touche.

11/10/11
Brady4MVP:
ivoteforthatguy:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

why we as a country are obsessed with sporting leagues occupied by felons-in-the-making with nothing but contempt for the rest of us puzzles me.

I agree. Just another symptom of our country's decline. Seeing a bunch of grown men cheer and go crazy over a group of thugs playing football is pretty hilarious.

look at your username...

"For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry God. Bloody Mary full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails. Pray for me now and at the hour of my death, which I hope is soon. Amen."

11/10/11
Brady4MVP:
ivoteforthatguy:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

why we as a country are obsessed with sporting leagues occupied by felons-in-the-making with nothing but contempt for the rest of us puzzles me.

I agree. Just another symptom of our country's decline. Seeing a bunch of grown men cheer and go crazy over a group of thugs playing football is pretty hilarious.

look at your username...

"For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry God. Bloody Mary full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails. Pray for me now and at the hour of my death, which I hope is soon. Amen."

11/10/11
duffmt6:
Brady4MVP:
ivoteforthatguy:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

why we as a country are obsessed with sporting leagues occupied by felons-in-the-making with nothing but contempt for the rest of us puzzles me.

I agree. Just another symptom of our country's decline. Seeing a bunch of grown men cheer and go crazy over a group of thugs playing football is pretty hilarious.

look at your username...

Yup. I'm a new england patriots fan. But I would not march out onto the freaking streets because something bad happens to my team, and my core existence does not revolve around sports. That's the difference between myself and those kids at penn state, or most state schools for that matter. At the end of the day, I recognize sports for what it is-an entertaining diversion from my daily routine.

11/10/11
Brady4MVP:

This Penn State story is really starting to get sexy

WTF?

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/10/11
Brady4MVP:
duffmt6:
Brady4MVP:
ivoteforthatguy:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

why we as a country are obsessed with sporting leagues occupied by felons-in-the-making with nothing but contempt for the rest of us puzzles me.

I agree. Just another symptom of our country's decline. Seeing a bunch of grown men cheer and go crazy over a group of thugs playing football is pretty hilarious.

look at your username...

Yup. I'm a new england patriots fan. But I would not march out onto the freaking streets because something bad happens to my team, and my core existence does not revolve around sports. That's the difference between myself and those kids at penn state, or most state schools for that matter. At the end of the day, I recognize sports for what it is-an entertaining diversion from my daily routine.

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11/10/11
Brady4MVP:
duffmt6:
Brady4MVP:
ivoteforthatguy:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

why we as a country are obsessed with sporting leagues occupied by felons-in-the-making with nothing but contempt for the rest of us puzzles me.

I agree. Just another symptom of our country's decline. Seeing a bunch of grown men cheer and go crazy over a group of thugs playing football is pretty hilarious.

look at your username...

Yup. I'm a new england patriots fan. But I would not march out onto the freaking streets because something bad happens to my team, and my core existence does not revolve around sports. That's the difference between myself and those kids at penn state, or most state schools for that matter. At the end of the day, I recognize sports for what it is-an entertaining diversion from my daily routine.

Please stop with your mindless drivel about "those kids about Penn State." You know nothing about the school, you know nothing about Joe Paterno or what truly happened (none of us do as we only know what has been reported), and to be perfectly frank... you are making yourself sound like an idiot with your 5th grade logic and soap box rhetoric here. Sweeping generalizations are easy for one to make anonymously, on an internet forum, with the full benefit of hindsight, after thousands have already criticized. Please get off your fucking high horse because you sound like a douchebag. It may very well be that the man did not do enough, but we don't have all the facts yet, and while you jumping to conclusions and airing your ill-informed opinion may be your right, it doesn't make you sound any less of an idiot. Reserve judgement until you know all the information. Everyone is making it sound like the man didn't take this to the authorities, when the reality is he escalated this to the highest ranking police official in university park. While, I'm still unsure whether he did what was enough in the eyes of society, I have never been in his situation, and surely cannot be so hypocritical as to judge merely through the benefit of hindsight. I can, however, say this, that Joe Paterno is not the type of man who would have simply turned a blind eye to such events if he had had both proof and firm conviction of what went on. I think people are overlooking how difficult it must be to have such a situation brought before you when you did not see it, the witness bringing you the information while appearing genuine has not done so immediately (reports clearly indicate that there was a lag, and that he could not be characterized as an outcry witness), and the accused is someone considered by everyone in the community to be above reproach. This is not a simple issue, and while I can't go so far as to say that I blindly support his actions, what I can say is that I don't know enough to have a strongly informed opinion on the way he handled things. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families first and foremost, and my heart is broken for both them and for the school and its faithful. Hopefully all is brought to light so that we may have enough facts to weigh what has been done intelligently and in proper discourse, but until then I think people are being far too rash in their judgment.

Linking here a very well articulated article by a defense attorney... worth the read...
http://thatlawyerdude.blogspot.com/2011/11/strong-...

11/10/11
Brady4MVP:
duffmt6:
Brady4MVP:
ivoteforthatguy:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

why we as a country are obsessed with sporting leagues occupied by felons-in-the-making with nothing but contempt for the rest of us puzzles me.

I agree. Just another symptom of our country's decline. Seeing a bunch of grown men cheer and go crazy over a group of thugs playing football is pretty hilarious.

look at your username...

Yup. I'm a new england patriots fan. But I would not march out onto the freaking streets because something bad happens to my team, and my core existence does not revolve around sports. That's the difference between myself and those kids at penn state, or most state schools for that matter. At the end of the day, I recognize sports for what it is-an entertaining diversion from my daily routine.

As a fellow Pats fan I can honestly say I'm ashamed to be associated with you, even in such a trivial way. You, my friend, are the epitome of douche.

"For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry God. Bloody Mary full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails. Pray for me now and at the hour of my death, which I hope is soon. Amen."

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11/10/11
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

Brady what are you even saying... you aren't better than anyone because you went to an Ivy school....Get off your prestige high horse. YOU need to get a life.

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11/10/11
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

Watch yer fuckin words sir.

11/17/11

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11/10/11
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

Says the guy with a fucking Tom Brady user name.......

11/10/11
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

What's wrong with a badass football team, slutty girls and beer pong? Sans poor exit options (wait, isn't Penn State a GS IBD target now? Well maybe not now, now), I see nothing wrong here.

11/10/11
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

Are you fucking kidding me? You went to NOTRE DAME! They have a TOUCHDOWN JESUS what the shit are you talking about?

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

11/10/11
happypantsmcgee:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

Are you fucking kidding me? You went to NOTRE DAME! They have a TOUCHDOWN JESUS what the shit are you talking about?

Lol. I did not go to notre dame.

11/10/11
Brady4MVP:
happypantsmcgee:
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

Are you fucking kidding me? You went to NOTRE DAME! They have a TOUCHDOWN JESUS what the shit are you talking about?

Lol. I did not go to notre dame.

YOU LIE! AND HARVARD WILL NEVER LOVE YOU!

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

11/10/11
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

I would rather go to Michigan or UC Berkeley than your Alma mater.

11/11/11
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

From the guy who's entire life revolves around jerking off to the HBS admissions website...

11/12/11
Brady4MVP:

This is insane and utterly idiotic. Seriously, state school kids are fucking morons. Their entire lives revolve around their football team and beer pong. Goodness sakes. These kids need to get a life.

lol. my fav part is totes def the one where you said people need to get a life.

11/10/11

kind of sad, but this is probably a generational thing. the guy was born in the '20s and went to brown. in the UK, many parents groups are actually trying to silence their own kids in the public schools for speaking out against molestation by staff and other students, because it is a british public school tradtion and you are expected just to endure it, as if it toughens you up or something. paterno probably absorbed these values from an ivy league that was waspier and more britishy in his day.

11/10/11

What I think is fucked up is the fact that Joe P gives 50 years of his life to coaching and a allegation that he knew something or turned a blind eye is all that it takes to ruin his career, reputation and get him fired. I mean no court, no jury, no trial. Nothing. Allegation and done with.

11/10/11
ANT:

What I think is fucked up is the fact that Joe P gives 50 years of his life to coaching and a allegation that he knew something or turned a blind eye is all that it takes to ruin his career, reputation and get him fired. I mean no court, no jury, no trial. Nothing. Allegation and done with.

There is no doubt that JoePa knew about what Sandusky was doing and still kept him as his assistant coach. He should not only be fired but never again allowed on Penn State campus. And any object on campus with his name should be instantly removed, as if he has never existed.

11/10/11
Brady4MVP:
ANT:

What I think is fucked up is the fact that Joe P gives 50 years of his life to coaching and a allegation that he knew something or turned a blind eye is all that it takes to ruin his career, reputation and get him fired. I mean no court, no jury, no trial. Nothing. Allegation and done with.

There is no doubt that JoePa knew about what Sandusky was doing and still kept him as his assistant coach. He should not only be fired but never again allowed on Penn State campus. And any object on campus with his name should be instantly removed, as if he has never existed.

No doubt? Wow, the story just broke and the trial is already done with? I really was sleeping at the wheel on this one. Glad to know that people are guilty automatically.

11/10/11
ANT:
Brady4MVP:
ANT:

What I think is fucked up is the fact that Joe P gives 50 years of his life to coaching and a allegation that he knew something or turned a blind eye is all that it takes to ruin his career, reputation and get him fired. I mean no court, no jury, no trial. Nothing. Allegation and done with.

There is no doubt that JoePa knew about what Sandusky was doing and still kept him as his assistant coach. He should not only be fired but never again allowed on Penn State campus. And any object on campus with his name should be instantly removed, as if he has never existed.

No doubt? Wow, the story just broke and the trial is already done with? I really was sleeping at the wheel on this one. Glad to know that people are guilty automatically.

JoePa isn't the one criminally indicted, so presumptions of innocence don't apply. The fact is that JoePa was confronted with a report of child abuse by a subordinate and didn't take the steps that society deems necessary in these circumstances. No one is disputing that fact. He admitted it himself - albeit Joe is saying hindsight comes into play- that he didn't do enough.

11/10/11
ANT:

What I think is fucked up is the fact that Joe P gives 50 years of his life to coaching and a allegation that he knew something or turned a blind eye is all that it takes to ruin his career, reputation and get him fired. I mean no court, no jury, no trial. Nothing. Allegation and done with.

Ant, this has to be one of the worst things you have ever posted. It is fairly clear that Joe Pa knew that his assistant coach had sex with a 10 year old boy.

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
-Styles P

11/10/11
eokpar02:
ANT:

What I think is fucked up is the fact that Joe P gives 50 years of his life to coaching and a allegation that he knew something or turned a blind eye is all that it takes to ruin his career, reputation and get him fired. I mean no court, no jury, no trial. Nothing. Allegation and done with.

Ant, this has to be one of the worst things you have ever posted. It is fairly clear that Joe Pa knew that his assistant coach had sex with a 10 year old boy.

And what gave that away, Matlock? Was it the first time this happened in the late 90s and Sandusky was forced into retirement? Was it the fact that McQuery came to him and told him that and he then reported it to his superiors? Do you have insider information?

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/10/11
Nefarious-:

And what gave that away, Matlock? Was it the first time this happened in the late 90s and Sandusky was forced into retirement? Was it the fact that McQuery came to him and told him that and he then reported it to his superiors? Do you have insider information?

I agree with ANT, that Joe Pa isn't directly or even remotely responsible; but as a leader of an organization, the buck must stop some place.

If I were the 28 year old in question, I would have whooped the shit out of the pervert in the shower.

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
-Styles P

11/10/11

As long as McCreary is employed, riot on.

11/10/11

I feel bad for Joe Pa tho, he did something- it just wasn't enough. After 61 years he deserves better, he's being scapegoated on some level. I do feel that he did too little, but at the same time he probably believed that when nothing was done that Sandusky was innocent. Don't forget that this was a man that JoePa thought the knew, thought was a friend, and worked with him for 30 years. I assume that Joe would rather believe (however wrong it was) that this man couldn't possibly have done it- and the lack of action supported this. The smarter thing would have been to go to the real cops, and I bet he sees that now.

Reality hits you hard, bro...

11/10/11
MMBinNC:

I feel bad for Joe Pa tho, he did something- it just wasn't enough. After 61 years he deserves better, he's being scapegoated on some level. I do feel that he did too little, but at the same time he probably believed that when nothing was done that Sandusky was innocent. Don't forget that this was a man that JoePa thought the knew, thought was a friend, and worked with him for 30 years. I assume that Joe would rather believe (however wrong it was) that this man couldn't possibly have done it- and the lack of action supported this. The smarter thing would have been to go to the real cops, and I bet he sees that now.

Sweet old Joe Paterno is in reality an incredibly self-serving man. For years he has pushed back against administration urging him to retire, before he gets his 400-whatever career win. Even today his narcissism shone through as he attempted to remain as coach for the rest of the season instead of actually thinking about his f***ing players and resigning immediately, so that the incredible media spotlight that will be on them for the rest of the season might actually be a little less glaring. I don't understand how you can not even ask Sandusky about McQueary's allegations, much less call the damn cops or follow up after you tell the AD, and then still have the audacity to consider yourself a role model to a bunch of 19-22 year olds.

This does not take away from his educational and philanthropic contributions, but the man is clearly an egomaniac.

Edit: The BOT did a nice little chicken sh** move by firing him over the phone instead of in person. Piss poor.

11/10/11

He said that he didn't do enough which means many different things. All I am saying is this is fresh, all the facts are not out and people are attaching him as if he raped the kids himself.

11/10/11
ANT:

He said that he didn't do enough which means many different things. All I am saying is this is fresh, all the facts are not out and people are attaching him as if he raped the kids himself.

What facts are going to come out that can possibly affect Paterno's culpability? If he had gone to the police when he was first notified, or if there were communications between him and the University's administration where he was pressing for action, those would have been the first things brought up after everyone looked to him. Nobody is going to sit on that kind of information with the whole nation calling for your termination. The bottom line is that, regardless of whatever verdict is leveled at Sandusky, Joe Paterno took the bare minimum of steps required by law when faced with allegations that a subordinate was committing an awful crime. No one is saying Joe had to go physically stop Sandusky. The point is that he should have alerted the police and taken the steps incumbent upon a man of his influence at State College - and supposed integrity - to follow-up.

11/10/11
Duchess:
ANT:

He said that he didn't do enough which means many different things. All I am saying is this is fresh, all the facts are not out and people are attaching him as if he raped the kids himself.

What facts are going to come out that can possibly affect Paterno's culpability? If he had gone to the police when he was first notified, or if there were communications between him and the University's administration where he was pressing for action, those would have been the first things brought up after everyone looked to him. Nobody is going to sit on that kind of information with the whole nation calling for your termination. The bottom line is that, regardless of whatever verdict is leveled at Sandusky, Joe Paterno took the bare minimum of steps required by law when faced with allegations that a subordinate was committing an awful crime. No one is saying Joe had to go physically stop Sandusky. The point is that he should have alerted the police and taken the steps incumbent upon a man of his influence at State College - and supposed integrity - to follow-up.

Very well put. I'm not saying that JoePa commited a criminal act. However, we do know for a fact that back in 2002, a 28-year old graduate assistant told JoePa that he saw Sandusky molesting a ten-year old boy in the locker room showers. And yet, he did not alert the police but chose to give his assistant coach the benefit of the doubt. JoePa did just the bare minimum in this regard. Sandusky's actions were disgusting and morally egregious. JoePa's GROSS negligence warrants his immediate dismissal as head coach.

11/11/11
Brady4MVP:

Very well put. I'm not saying that JoePa commited a criminal act. However, we do know for a fact that back in 2002, a 28-year old graduate assistant told JoePa that he saw Sandusky molesting a ten-year old boy in the locker room showers. And yet, he did not alert the police but chose to give his assistant coach the benefit of the doubt. JoePa did just the bare minimum in this regard. Sandusky's actions were disgusting and morally egregious. JoePa's GROSS negligence warrants his immediate dismissal as head coach.

I totally agree with everything was said if this is in fact what happened. I read the Grand Jury report and it wasn't clear to me whether or not MacQuery (I'm not looking up how to spell his name) told Joe that "Sandusky was molesting a kid in the shower" or something along hte lines of "Hey I saw Sandusky and some kid horsing around in the shower, might want to look into it.."

Also if its the situation you outlined in your post, I think its unacceptable that MacQuery hasn't been indicted on failing to report child abuse to the authorities. I mean for God sakes he's the one who saw it.

11/11/11
andyinsandiego:
Brady4MVP:

Very well put. I'm not saying that JoePa commited a criminal act. However, we do know for a fact that back in 2002, a 28-year old graduate assistant told JoePa that he saw Sandusky molesting a ten-year old boy in the locker room showers. And yet, he did not alert the police but chose to give his assistant coach the benefit of the doubt. JoePa did just the bare minimum in this regard. Sandusky's actions were disgusting and morally egregious. JoePa's GROSS negligence warrants his immediate dismissal as head coach.

I totally agree with everything was said if this is in fact what happened. I read the Grand Jury report and it wasn't clear to me whether or not MacQuery (I'm not looking up how to spell his name) told Joe that "Sandusky was molesting a kid in the shower" or something along hte lines of "Hey I saw Sandusky and some kid horsing around in the shower, might want to look into it.."

Also if its the situation you outlined in your post, I think its unacceptable that MacQuery hasn't been indicted on failing to report child abuse to the authorities. I mean for God sakes he's the one who saw it.

McQuery wasn't a mandated reporter at the time... he only had a MORAL obligation to report the incident to the police which he didn't...

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11/11/11
andyinsandiego:
Brady4MVP:

Very well put. I'm not saying that JoePa commited a criminal act. However, we do know for a fact that back in 2002, a 28-year old graduate assistant told JoePa that he saw Sandusky molesting a ten-year old boy in the locker room showers. And yet, he did not alert the police but chose to give his assistant coach the benefit of the doubt. JoePa did just the bare minimum in this regard. Sandusky's actions were disgusting and morally egregious. JoePa's GROSS negligence warrants his immediate dismissal as head coach.

I totally agree with everything was said if this is in fact what happened. I read the Grand Jury report and it wasn't clear to me whether or not MacQuery (I'm not looking up how to spell his name) told Joe that "Sandusky was molesting a kid in the shower" or something along hte lines of "Hey I saw Sandusky and some kid horsing around in the shower, might want to look into it.."

Also if its the situation you outlined in your post, I think its unacceptable that MacQuery hasn't been indicted on failing to report child abuse to the authorities. I mean for God sakes he's the one who saw it.

There is more stuff coming out every day, and this investigation is FAR from being finished. We now know that back in 1998 a victim's mom told campus police, and they confronted Sandusky about the incident. Their response? Rather than arresting that pervert ASAP, they gave him a slap on the wrist and said, "Jerry, you can't go around taking naked showers with little boys." Sandusky then went into "voluntary" retirement but had full access to psu's athletic facilities until last week!

There is no way that JoePa did not know about this investigation. And his decision to not aggressively follow through and make sure Sandusky was punished, is simply outrageous. JoePa's supporters argue that he took proper legal action by alerting his "superior," the athletic director, about what McQueary witnessed back in 2002. What a joke. Everyone knows that JoePa was the most powerful man in state college and that the buck stopped with him. At best, JoePa engaged in gross negligence and should be sued in civil court. And at worst, JoePa engaged in criminal wrongdoing, hence his decision to hire a defense lawyer from king&spalding.

This is far from over. And I suspect that as more details are revealed, JoePa's supporters will start having second thoughts. Or at least I hope they do if they care more about justice and morality than football.

11/10/11
ANT:

He said that he didn't do enough which means many different things. All I am saying is this is fresh, all the facts are not out and people are attaching him as if he raped the kids himself.

Not sure how much you have followed the story or watched ESPN the last week or so. But yes there is facts these allegations were coming due starting way back in 2002, JoePa did nothing then. Further 11months ago when they went onto a deeper investigation again he basically did not do what society deems is correct. He basically admitted this today . You really think the trustees made this decision based on 1 day of information and facts?

11/10/11

Most important in all of this is profit. The line has moved to PSU +3.5. Will the team rally around the memory of their former coach, who probably hasn't called a play in 5 years, and pull the upset or does Nebraska, motivated to stop sexual assaults against children, send a message and beat down the Nittany Lions and thus cover the spread.

Your thoughts?

11/10/11

Blah, I am in different to this story. I simply think that Joe is being railroaded.

11/10/11
ANT:

Blah, I am in different to this story. I simply think that Joe is being railroaded.

Going to have to disagree here. If Joe Pat is the moral compass he's made out to be, I would think he would've tar'ed and feathered this fucker for rapping 10 year old boys in showers. Just me though.

11/10/11
ANT:

Blah, I am in different to this story. I simply think that Joe is being railroaded.

Yeah, the 84-year old who's made millions coaching football is clearly the victim in all of this...

11/10/11

Is Nebraska -3.5 this weekend at Penn State the bet of the season or what?

I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk

11/10/11
TonyPerkis:

Is Nebraska -3.5 this weekend at Penn State the bet of the season or what?

Nebraska - 2.5 (opening line) may have been one of the best bets of the season. NOW, Neb - 3.5 could end up being the lock of the decade. Just thinking about the football teams (and ignoring the scandal) penn st is ridiculously over rated, they have no offense whatsoever. I'm not a huge believer in Nebraska, but how do they not win by a touchdown or more?

11/10/11

It's worth stating that JoePa had a courier arrive at his home last night with a letter for him instructing him to call the phone number in the letter. Once he did, he was fired via that phone call.

~50 years of service, most winningest coach in D1A football, fired over the phone.

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11/10/11

Why were the president and the AD fired?

Were they even aware of Sandusky?

11/10/11
Solidarity:

Why were the president and the AD fired?

Were they even aware of Sandusky?

double post

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11/10/11
Solidarity:

Why were the president and the AD fired?

Were they even aware of Sandusky?

Yes, they were.

Watch ESPN or read the report in the OPs link.

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11/10/11
Nefarious-:
Solidarity:

Why were the president and the AD fired?

Were they even aware of Sandusky?

Yes, they were.

Watch ESPN or read the report in the OPs link.

Well then it's a whole infrastructure of ignorance... should have just cut the guy loose with some benefits rather than risk collateral damage. Now it's game over for all of them.

11/10/11

Game over? The dude is 84 how long did you think his game was going to last? This was the last year of his contract and he was going to leave anyway. This gave the university a chance to save a little face, expedite his departure and look like they're actually sorry about it. The guy will be a legend forever there and in College Football.

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11/10/11
happypantsmcgee:

Game over? The dude is 84 how long did you think his game was going to last? This was the last year of his contract and he was going to leave anyway. This gave the university a chance to save a little face, expedite his departure and look like they're actually sorry about it. The guy will be a legend forever there and in College Football.

Dude's always going to be a legend in college football and it doesn't detract from his record BUT it's a gross oversight as a coach, especially when the guy is being charged with 40 counts of molestation. You can't tell me that Pa shared the locker room with Sandusky for over 30 years and didn't figure this out... it was the fact that he knowingly tried to cover it up.

11/10/11
Solidarity:
happypantsmcgee:

Game over? The dude is 84 how long did you think his game was going to last? This was the last year of his contract and he was going to leave anyway. This gave the university a chance to save a little face, expedite his departure and look like they're actually sorry about it. The guy will be a legend forever there and in College Football.

Dude's always going to be a legend in college football and it doesn't detract from his record BUT it's a gross oversight as a coach, especially when the guy is being charged with 40 counts of molestation. You can't tell me that Pa shared the locker room with Sandusky for over 30 years and didn't figure this out... it was the fact that he knowingly tried to cover it up.

Saying that Paterno "knowingly tried to cover it up" is a bold statement and one that I think is pretty baseless at this point in the investigation.

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11/10/11
Nefarious-:
Solidarity:
happypantsmcgee:

Game over? The dude is 84 how long did you think his game was going to last? This was the last year of his contract and he was going to leave anyway. This gave the university a chance to save a little face, expedite his departure and look like they're actually sorry about it. The guy will be a legend forever there and in College Football.

Dude's always going to be a legend in college football and it doesn't detract from his record BUT it's a gross oversight as a coach, especially when the guy is being charged with 40 counts of molestation. You can't tell me that Pa shared the locker room with Sandusky for over 30 years and didn't figure this out... it was the fact that he knowingly tried to cover it up.

Saying that Paterno "knowingly tried to cover it up" is a bold statement and one that I think is pretty baseless at this point in the investigation.

"The Jerry Sandusky child sexual abuse scandal is a 2011 child sexual abuse scandal involving allegations against former Pennsylvania State University football assistant coach Jerry Sandusky and allegations of a university coverup of those incidents.[1] Sandusky, a longtime defensive coordinator under head coach Joe Paterno, retired in 1999 but retained access to Penn State's athletic facilities. A 2011 grand jury investigation reported that Mike McQueary, then a graduate assistant, told Paterno in 2002 that he had seen Sandusky performing a sex act on a 10-year-old boy in Penn State football's shower facilities. Paterno then reported the allegations to Penn State athletic director Tim Curley."

He didn't report the incident to the police. The AD didn't report this incident to the police.

It's a coverup plain and simple

11/10/11
Solidarity:
Nefarious-:
Solidarity:
happypantsmcgee:

Game over? The dude is 84 how long did you think his game was going to last? This was the last year of his contract and he was going to leave anyway. This gave the university a chance to save a little face, expedite his departure and look like they're actually sorry about it. The guy will be a legend forever there and in College Football.

Dude's always going to be a legend in college football and it doesn't detract from his record BUT it's a gross oversight as a coach, especially when the guy is being charged with 40 counts of molestation. You can't tell me that Pa shared the locker room with Sandusky for over 30 years and didn't figure this out... it was the fact that he knowingly tried to cover it up.

Saying that Paterno "knowingly tried to cover it up" is a bold statement and one that I think is pretty baseless at this point in the investigation.

"The Jerry Sandusky child sexual abuse scandal is a 2011 child sexual abuse scandal involving allegations against former Pennsylvania State University football assistant coach Jerry Sandusky and allegations of a university coverup of those incidents.[1] Sandusky, a longtime defensive coordinator under head coach Joe Paterno, retired in 1999 but retained access to Penn State's athletic facilities. A 2011 grand jury investigation reported that Mike McQueary, then a graduate assistant, told Paterno in 2002 that he had seen Sandusky performing a sex act on a 10-year-old boy in Penn State football's shower facilities. Paterno then reported the allegations to Penn State athletic director Tim Curley."

He didn't report the incident to the police. The AD didn't report this incident to the police.

It's a coverup plain and simple

Actually, Gary Schultz oversaw the entire University Park Police force at the time, and the University Park Police force has all the authority to enact justice as any municipal police force. It would have been the same as if he had taken it to the Chief of State College Police. His actions followed protocol, but also were in fact, escalated to the highest level of the University Park Police hierarchy, there's no one's head he should have gone above, and to go around Schultz would have been a breach of protocol.

11/10/11
Solidarity:
Nefarious-:
Solidarity:
happypantsmcgee:

Game over? The dude is 84 how long did you think his game was going to last? This was the last year of his contract and he was going to leave anyway. This gave the university a chance to save a little face, expedite his departure and look like they're actually sorry about it. The guy will be a legend forever there and in College Football.

Dude's always going to be a legend in college football and it doesn't detract from his record BUT it's a gross oversight as a coach, especially when the guy is being charged with 40 counts of molestation. You can't tell me that Pa shared the locker room with Sandusky for over 30 years and didn't figure this out... it was the fact that he knowingly tried to cover it up.

Saying that Paterno "knowingly tried to cover it up" is a bold statement and one that I think is pretty baseless at this point in the investigation.

"The Jerry Sandusky child sexual abuse scandal is a 2011 child sexual abuse scandal involving allegations against former Pennsylvania State University football assistant coach Jerry Sandusky and allegations of a university coverup of those incidents.[1] Sandusky, a longtime defensive coordinator under head coach Joe Paterno, retired in 1999 but retained access to Penn State's athletic facilities. A 2011 grand jury investigation reported that Mike McQueary, then a graduate assistant, told Paterno in 2002 that he had seen Sandusky performing a sex act on a 10-year-old boy in Penn State football's shower facilities. Paterno then reported the allegations to Penn State athletic director Tim Curley."

He didn't report the incident to the police. The AD didn't report this incident to the police.

It's a coverup plain and simple

I just want to make sure I follow this logic.

Paterno did not witness the act, received second hand information from another party. He then reported this information to his boss, and you are saying that Paterno covered it up? The actual adult that witnessed the act didn't call police or attempt to stop the act in question. Instead he called his dad and his dad told him to come home. They then reported it to Joe, THE NEXT DAY. McQueary has not been fired yet BTW.

Further, in the report it states that Sandusky had emeritus status, which means he had full rights as regular faculty, including an office. Further, It states in the report that as a former coach, he has full, unrestricted access to Penn St football facilities, including the locker room.

During the time of this incident in 2002, Sandusky was not an employee of Paterno's, he was there working simply as the founder of a charity. All delegation of authority and responsibility goes to Paterno's superior's because they are the ones that granted him emeritus status and wrote the rules about past coaches having access like this.

So again, how is Paterno the ring leader here?

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11/10/11

Joe reported it to his higher ups. How come the 28 year old grown man didn't just call the cops. I fail to see how one is excusable and the other doing the same thing is covering it up.

11/10/11
ANT:

Joe reported it to his higher ups. How come the 28 year old grown man didn't just call the cops. I fail to see how one is excusable and the other doing the same thing is covering it up.

I agree, it's not excusable for any of the parties.

Neither are facing jail time and neither should be affiliated with the Pennsylvania State University going forward. However, in this country we tend to hold people in positions of power to a higher standard and level of scrutiny and I wouldn't be surprised if the guy who witnessed the act got to keep his job (or at least fired later in a more discrete manner).

11/10/11

Breach of protocol? If you see action not being taken after knowledge that sexual molestation was potentially occurring in your locker rooms, you're shouldn't follow up and report it to the state police?

There's a difference between negative duties (think Kitty Genovese) and being a good, moral person. Jesus

11/10/11
Solidarity:

Breach of protocol? If you see action not being taken after knowledge that sexual molestation was potentially occurring in your locker rooms, you're shouldn't follow up and report it to the state police?

There's a difference between negative duties (think Kitty Genovese) and being a good, moral person. Jesus

Campus police have the same authority as regular police. They are a division of the state police.

Paterno reported it to his superiors, one of which is the head of campus police.

Where is your disconnect here?

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11/10/11
Nefarious-:
Solidarity:

Breach of protocol? If you see action not being taken after knowledge that sexual molestation was potentially occurring in your locker rooms, you're shouldn't follow up and report it to the state police?

There's a difference between negative duties (think Kitty Genovese) and being a good, moral person. Jesus

Campus police have the same authority as regular police. They are a division of the state police.

Paterno reported it to his superiors, one of which is the head of campus police.

Where is your disconnect here?

"Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, the school's vice president for business and finance, were charged with perjury and failure to report the allegations. Curley and Schultz each face up to seven years in prison if convicted."

Schultz wasn't even the head of campus police?

11/10/11
Solidarity:
Nefarious-:
Solidarity:

Breach of protocol? If you see action not being taken after knowledge that sexual molestation was potentially occurring in your locker rooms, you're shouldn't follow up and report it to the state police?

There's a difference between negative duties (think Kitty Genovese) and being a good, moral person. Jesus

Campus police have the same authority as regular police. They are a division of the state police.

Paterno reported it to his superiors, one of which is the head of campus police.

Where is your disconnect here?

"Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, the school's vice president for business and finance, were charged with perjury and failure to report the allegations. Curley and Schultz each face up to seven years in prison if convicted."

Schultz wasn't even the head of campus police?

Please stop replying now. You haven't read anything and do not know what you are talking about.

But yes, Schultz was the head of campus PD.

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11/10/11

Reports have come out that Sandusky also pimped out boys to wealthy donors...WTF is wrong with people

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11/10/11

1. McQueary's employment status with the university is irrelevant when examining Paterno's lapse of judgment...
2. No one is calling him a ring leader, get your straw man shit out of here
3. Who cares if McQueary didn't report it? That's irrelevant (so fucking childish... BUT BUT IF MCQUEARY DIDN'T DO IT WHY DO I HAVE TO????)

Joe did not proceed with this to the best of his ability. Agree or disagree?

11/10/11
Solidarity:

1. McQueary's employment status with the university is irrelevant when examining Paterno's lapse of judgment...
2. No one is calling him a ring leader, get your straw man shit out of here
3. Who cares if McQueary didn't report it? That's irrelevant (so fucking childish... BUT BUT IF MCQUEARY DIDN'T DO IT WHY DO I HAVE TO????)

Joe did not proceed with this to the best of his ability. Agree or disagree?

Holy fucking shit this is the dumbest logic I have ever heard.

McQ, a grown fucking man, saw the act, did nothing to stop it or contact the police. He told Paterno.

Paterno then told his superior's one of which oversees campus police.

HOW DO YOU NOT FOLLOW

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11/10/11

Let me tell you what. I am over 28 now and I walk into a school shower and see a grown man fucking a little kid and I am going to kick that dude in the fucking teeth. I'm not going to run away like a pussy and allow that kid to continue to get fucked.

Joe hears a second hand account and reports it. The real scum bag is the dude who saw rape and ran the fuck away.

11/10/11

Paterno should of bought a gun and killed the dude because someone else told him he saw something. I mean the grown man who saw the rape and just walked away somehow is a hero for reporting it to a fucking football coach.

11/10/11
ANT:

Paterno should of bought a gun and killed the dude because someone else told him he saw something. I mean the grown man who saw the rape and just walked away somehow is a hero for reporting it to a fucking football coach.

No one's calling him a fucking hero this guy as much of a bum as Paterno was in handling the situation...

11/10/11

How is that flawed logic?

Paterno knew that there was very likely a case against Sandusky and did not proceed truthfully to the best of his abilities...

Sure, he's a great coach. Does that make him exempt from this instance?

11/10/11

And why not report it directly to campus police?

Did he just forget about this shit when it was obvious that Schultz had failed to report the incident? What happened to following up and being responsible?

11/10/11

Brilliant response all around hahaha

Anything else to add?

11/10/11
Solidarity:

Brilliant response all around hahaha

Anything else to add?

You are arguing that Paterno didn't report it to the right people and then said Schultz wasn't the head of the campus PD.

You are just arguing for the sake of arguing and it is becoming obvious that you don't know what you are talking about.

Willing to bet you are still in college.

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11/10/11

Once again, this is a second hand account. How about people report it to THEIR supervisors before calling the cops all the fucking time.

Joe reported it. He didn't tell the guy to hush up. He didn't call Mr. Molester in and tell him to keep a lid on it. He reported it to his higher ups.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearsay

11/10/11
ANT:

Once again, this is a second hand account. How about people report it to THEIR supervisors before calling the cops all the fucking time.

Joe reported it. He didn't tell the guy to hush up. He didn't call Mr. Molester in and tell him to keep a lid on it. He reported it to his higher ups.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearsay

This is what cracks me up. Joe reports it and this guy calls it a cover up.

Where the fuck am I?

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11/10/11

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

11/10/11

End of the day, the MAN who saw the rape and walked away it at fault. This is a golden opportunity to kick the shit out of someone and you just go home. Pathetic.

11/10/11

How about doing both? Reporting it to your supervisor AND the police?

Ant, there are relevant exceptions to hearsay admissibility in the court of law which you can examine your own leisure, but you are confusing the issue of legal culpability with the morally right thing to do...

Can / has the state pressed charges against Paterno? No, because they don't have a case against him

Can PSU fire him for not following up on the incident? Of course

11/10/11
Solidarity:

How about doing both? Reporting it to your supervisor AND the police?

Ant, there are relevant exceptions to hearsay admissibility in the court of law which you can examine your own leisure, but you are confusing the issue of legal culpability with the morally right thing to do...

Can / has the state pressed charges against Paterno? No, because they don't have a case against him

Can PSU fire him for not following up on the incident? Of course

It was reported to the head of campus PD. How is that not sinking into your brain?

PSU fired Paterno to save face and make it appear like they actually give a shit.

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11/10/11

Well, given the manner in which they fired Paterno, it looks like they actually DO give a shit...

11/10/11
Solidarity:

Well, given the manner in which they fired Paterno, it looks like they actually DO give a shit...

They care about saving face, they don't care about any of this, are you serious? PSU is being viewed as a place where little boys get raped right now. What better way to make it look like they are making moves than to fire the face of PSU.

Paterno IS PSU.

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11/10/11

It was reported to the head of campus PD. How is that not sinking into your brain?

And he was fired for not following up when the "head of campus PD" ignored the situation. Anything wrong with that?

11/10/11
Solidarity:

It was reported to the head of campus PD. How is that not sinking into your brain?

And he was fired for not following up when the "head of campus PD" ignored the situation. Anything wrong with that?

No. The AD and schultz deserve the jail time they are going to get.

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11/10/11
Nefarious-:
Solidarity:

It was reported to the head of campus PD. How is that not sinking into your brain?

And he was fired for not following up when the "head of campus PD" ignored the situation. Anything wrong with that?

No. The AD and schultz deserve the jail time they are going to get.

Well, we agree then. The perjurers get jail time and the amoral-but-not-law-breakers get fired.

11/10/11
Solidarity:
Nefarious-:
Solidarity:

It was reported to the head of campus PD. How is that not sinking into your brain?

And he was fired for not following up when the "head of campus PD" ignored the situation. Anything wrong with that?

No. The AD and schultz deserve the jail time they are going to get.

Well, we agree then. The perjurers get jail time and the amoral-but-not-law-breakers get fired.

Look, my point is it is too early in all of this to truly understand what Paterno did or did not do. Based on the information we have available today, he didn't do anything wrong. I don't think him not going door to door to tell everyone what he was told at the time warrants his termination via telephone after making PSU what it is.

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11/10/11
Solidarity:

It was reported to the head of campus PD. How is that not sinking into your brain?

And he was fired for not following up when the "head of campus PD" ignored the situation. Anything wrong with that?

What would you have him do? Call a press conference and alert the media that both the administration of the university and a police investigation and the motherfucking District Attorney all found no evidence of wrongdoing? You would have him further continue to accuse a man who the entire community would likely have refused to believe could do such things? I'm all for protecting the kids and maybe this is what he should have done, but I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS SAID TO HIM YOU STUPID TWAT! Without knowing what he knew at the time, I can't say he did the wrong thing. You're a fucking idiot and can't be reasoned with. Suppose tomorrow someone comes to you and says, "Guess what, your dad touches little boys in the shower." Are you going to believe them? NO, you're going to be like fuck you my dad is a saint and he is well respected and would never do that, and I would believe you when you say that. NO ONE would have ever thought Sandusky would do this. Find one person in his 30+ year tenure at the school who would have thought, yea he's a pedophile, just one.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/jerry-sandusky-penn-s...

11/10/11
rufiolove:
Solidarity:

It was reported to the head of campus PD. How is that not sinking into your brain?

And he was fired for not following up when the "head of campus PD" ignored the situation. Anything wrong with that?

What would you have him do? Call a press conference and alert the media that both the administration of the university and a police investigation and the motherfucking District Attorney all found no evidence of wrongdoing? You would have him further continue to accuse a man who the entire community would likely have refused to believe could do such things? I'm all for protecting the kids and maybe this is what he should have done, but I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS SAID TO HIM YOU STUPID TWAT! Without knowing what he knew at the time, I can't say he did the wrong thing. You're a fucking idiot and can't be reasoned with. Suppose tomorrow someone comes to you and says, "Guess what, your dad touches little boys in the shower." Are you going to believe them? NO, you're going to be like fuck you my dad is a saint and he is well respected and would never do that, and I would believe you when you say that. NO ONE would have ever thought Sandusky would do this. Find one person in his 30+ year tenure at the school who would have thought, yea he's a pedophile, just one.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/jerry-sandusky-penn-s...

No, he should have followed up with his superiors and escalated the situation when he saw that it wasn't being handled. They also knew that Sandusky had a history

"In 1998, the Penn State campus police and local law enforcement authorities investigated an allegation that Jerry Sandusky, then a prominent coach with the university's football team, had engaged in inappropriate and perhaps sexual conduct with a boy in the football facility's showers."
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/sports/ncaafootb...

I can just see the AD: "Nah it's totally cool, Jerry just likes showering with little boys"

11/10/11

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

11/10/11

Sandusky is a piece of shit and should be flayed alive.. along with McQueary.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/sports/ncaafootb...

Apparently the same shit happened in '98 but the DA either didn't want to pursue the case or didn't have a case.

11/10/11

Plus, they still need McQueary's testimony and a man with no job and nothing to lose would be the first to "forget" something that happened over 10 years ago...

11/10/11

Look, my point is it is too early in all of this to truly understand what Paterno did or did not do. Based on the information we have available today, he didn't do anything wrong. I don't think him not going door to door to tell everyone what he was told at the time warrants his termination via telephone after making PSU what it is.

Well, his contributions to PSU as a coach are separate from the case at hand. The Board of Trustees obviously thought that there was enough of a moral lapse to let him go so ignominiously before the end of the season. If it wasn't such a clear cut case, they would have let him bow out gracefully at the end of the season.

The facts aren't clear but it could go both ways. Paterno worked with this asswipe for 30 years... it's impossible to say if he had a clear conscience the rest of the way or if he knew more of the shady shit that was going down.

11/10/11
Solidarity:

Look, my point is it is too early in all of this to truly understand what Paterno did or did not do. Based on the information we have available today, he didn't do anything wrong. I don't think him not going door to door to tell everyone what he was told at the time warrants his termination via telephone after making PSU what it is.

Well, his contributions to PSU as a coach are separate from the case at hand. The Board of Trustees obviously thought that there was enough of a moral lapse to let him go so ignominiously before the end of the season. If it wasn't such a clear cut case, they would have let him bow out gracefully at the end of the season.

The facts aren't clear but it could go both ways. Paterno worked with this asswipe for 30 years... it's impossible to say if he had a clear conscience the rest of the way or if he knew more of the shady shit that was going down.

The media forced this decision.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/10/11

This kind of thing sucks, it's like throwing one of your closest friends under the bus. You beat the shit out of him and he says he'll never do it again, but it never stops...

11/10/11

Here is another question. When I was 10, I never for a second thought showering with another man, (grown man especially) was OK.

Why the hell didn't these kids tell their parents and if they did, why didn't THEY contact the police?

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/10/11
Nefarious-:

Here is another question. When I was 10, I never for a second thought showering with another man, (grown man especially) was OK.

Why the hell didn't these kids tell their parents and if they did, why didn't THEY contact the police?

That's crossing a line. You CAN'T put this on a 10 year old kid, man... get real. How can you even ask why a rape victim doesn't come forward, you don't know how traumatized they must feel. To be taken advantage of by someone you trust, and on top of that they are 10 DUDE. That line of logic is messed up, and I don't condone what you're offering up here. I just want to see justice served and don't want to see a man vilified without having his right to defend his side of the story, which we have yet to hear. The victims and the victims' families are not at fault in this. It is a sick tragic thing, one I wish wasn't even being discussed, but in no way is it their fault for not acting any differently than they did. You can get angry at a 28 year old former quarter back who is 6'4 220 for not intervening and beating the shit out of a pedophile, but not the victim.

11/10/11
rufiolove:
Nefarious-:

Here is another question. When I was 10, I never for a second thought showering with another man, (grown man especially) was OK.

Why the hell didn't these kids tell their parents and if they did, why didn't THEY contact the police?

That's crossing a line. You CAN'T put this on a 10 year old kid, man... get real. How can you even ask why a rape victim doesn't come forward, you don't know how traumatized they must feel. To be taken advantage of by someone you trust, and on top of that they are 10 DUDE. That line of logic is messed up, and I don't condone what you're offering up here. I just want to see justice served and don't want to see a man vilified without having his right to defend his side of the story, which we have yet to hear. The victims and the victims' families are not at fault in this. It is a sick tragic thing, one I wish wasn't even being discussed, but in no way is it their fault for not acting any differently than they did. You can get angry at a 28 year old former quarter back who is 6'4 220 for not intervening and beating the shit out of a pedophile, but not the victim.

When the hell did I say I was mad at them or place the blame on them?

I asked the question why was nothing done on their end?

Regardless, I would never let me fucking child spend the night at a man's house alone.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/10/11
Nefarious-:

Here is another question. Why the hell didn't these kids tell their parents and if they did, why didn't THEY contact the police?

Right here.

You're putting Onus on a child to have the composure, maturity, and courage to tell their parents they were violated. That's a lot to ask of a 10 year old. If they did and their parents didn't act, then that is a terrible thing to consider.

"The experience was so overwhelming and dark," Anderson. "But I didn't feel that I could talk to anyone. My parents were pretty uninterested in my needs."
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/jerry-sandusky-penn-s...

You can't evaluate the mindset of a 10 year old and expect them to have the decision-making capability of an adult... to do so is unfair on your part. Additionally, even if they were an adult, asking why they didn't do more is akin to asking a rape victim why they didn't come forward. Yes, it would be great if they did so that they may have the opportunity to prevent it from happening to others, but that is a very delicate area to tread in, and I cannot begin to try to call into question the thought process of someone undergoing such a trauma. I think that they are the only ones who can make the determination of what to do in that situation, and for ANYONE to judge them one way or another is simply cheap.

11/10/11
rufiolove:
Nefarious-:

Here is another question. Why the hell didn't these kids tell their parents and if they did, why didn't THEY contact the police?

Right here.

You're putting Onus on a child to have the composure, maturity, and courage to tell their parents they were violated. That's a lot to ask of a 10 year old. If they did and their parents didn't act, then that is a terrible thing to consider.

"The experience was so overwhelming and dark," Anderson. "But I didn't feel that I could talk to anyone. My parents were pretty uninterested in my needs."
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/jerry-sandusky-penn-s...

You can't evaluate the mindset of a 10 year old and expect them to have the decision-making capability of an adult... to do so is unfair on your part. Additionally, even if they were an adult, asking why they didn't do more is akin to asking a rape victim why they didn't come forward. Yes, it would be great if they did so that they may have the opportunity to prevent it from happening to others, but that is a very delicate area to tread in, and I cannot begin to try to call into question the thought process of someone undergoing such a trauma. I think that they are the only ones who can make the determination of what to do in that situation, and for ANYONE to judge them one way or another is simply cheap.

I didn't read this bullshit.

At ten years old I knew another man's dick didn't belong in my ass.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/10/11
Nefarious-:
rufiolove:
Nefarious-:

Here is another question. Why the hell didn't these kids tell their parents and if they did, why didn't THEY contact the police?

Right here.

You're putting Onus on a child to have the composure, maturity, and courage to tell their parents they were violated. That's a lot to ask of a 10 year old. If they did and their parents didn't act, then that is a terrible thing to consider.

"The experience was so overwhelming and dark," Anderson. "But I didn't feel that I could talk to anyone. My parents were pretty uninterested in my needs."
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/jerry-sandusky-penn-s...

You can't evaluate the mindset of a 10 year old and expect them to have the decision-making capability of an adult... to do so is unfair on your part. Additionally, even if they were an adult, asking why they didn't do more is akin to asking a rape victim why they didn't come forward. Yes, it would be great if they did so that they may have the opportunity to prevent it from happening to others, but that is a very delicate area to tread in, and I cannot begin to try to call into question the thought process of someone undergoing such a trauma. I think that they are the only ones who can make the determination of what to do in that situation, and for ANYONE to judge them one way or another is simply cheap.

I didn't read this bullshit.

At ten years old I knew another man's dick didn't belong in my ass.

You're a complete idiot and missed the point, and no one who reads what you wrote could possibly respect your opinion.

11/10/11
rufiolove:
Nefarious-:
rufiolove:
Nefarious-:

Here is another question. Why the hell didn't these kids tell their parents and if they did, why didn't THEY contact the police?

Right here.

You're putting Onus on a child to have the composure, maturity, and courage to tell their parents they were violated. That's a lot to ask of a 10 year old. If they did and their parents didn't act, then that is a terrible thing to consider.

"The experience was so overwhelming and dark," Anderson. "But I didn't feel that I could talk to anyone. My parents were pretty uninterested in my needs."
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/jerry-sandusky-penn-s...

You can't evaluate the mindset of a 10 year old and expect them to have the decision-making capability of an adult... to do so is unfair on your part. Additionally, even if they were an adult, asking why they didn't do more is akin to asking a rape victim why they didn't come forward. Yes, it would be great if they did so that they may have the opportunity to prevent it from happening to others, but that is a very delicate area to tread in, and I cannot begin to try to call into question the thought process of someone undergoing such a trauma. I think that they are the only ones who can make the determination of what to do in that situation, and for ANYONE to judge them one way or another is simply cheap.

I didn't read this bullshit.

At ten years old I knew another man's dick didn't belong in my ass.

You're a complete idiot and missed the point, and no one who reads what you wrote could possibly respect your opinion.

Luckily for me I don't give a shit what strangers on the internet think.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/10/11
Nefarious-:
rufiolove:
Nefarious-:
rufiolove:
Nefarious-:

Here is another question. Why the hell didn't these kids tell their parents and if they did, why didn't THEY contact the police?

Right here.

You're putting Onus on a child to have the composure, maturity, and courage to tell their parents they were violated. That's a lot to ask of a 10 year old. If they did and their parents didn't act, then that is a terrible thing to consider.

"The experience was so overwhelming and dark," Anderson. "But I didn't feel that I could talk to anyone. My parents were pretty uninterested in my needs."
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/jerry-sandusky-penn-s...

You can't evaluate the mindset of a 10 year old and expect them to have the decision-making capability of an adult... to do so is unfair on your part. Additionally, even if they were an adult, asking why they didn't do more is akin to asking a rape victim why they didn't come forward. Yes, it would be great if they did so that they may have the opportunity to prevent it from happening to others, but that is a very delicate area to tread in, and I cannot begin to try to call into question the thought process of someone undergoing such a trauma. I think that they are the only ones who can make the determination of what to do in that situation, and for ANYONE to judge them one way or another is simply cheap.

I didn't read this bullshit.

At ten years old I knew another man's dick didn't belong in my ass.

You're a complete idiot and missed the point, and no one who reads what you wrote could possibly respect your opinion.

Luckily for me I don't give a shit what strangers on the internet think.

i guess that's why you spend so much time posting.

11/10/11
Nefarious-:
rufiolove:
Nefarious-:

Here is another question. Why the hell didn't these kids tell their parents and if they did, why didn't THEY contact the police?

Right here.

You're putting Onus on a child to have the composure, maturity, and courage to tell their parents they were violated. That's a lot to ask of a 10 year old. If they did and their parents didn't act, then that is a terrible thing to consider.

"The experience was so overwhelming and dark," Anderson. "But I didn't feel that I could talk to anyone. My parents were pretty uninterested in my needs."
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/jerry-sandusky-penn-s...

You can't evaluate the mindset of a 10 year old and expect them to have the decision-making capability of an adult... to do so is unfair on your part. Additionally, even if they were an adult, asking why they didn't do more is akin to asking a rape victim why they didn't come forward. Yes, it would be great if they did so that they may have the opportunity to prevent it from happening to others, but that is a very delicate area to tread in, and I cannot begin to try to call into question the thought process of someone undergoing such a trauma. I think that they are the only ones who can make the determination of what to do in that situation, and for ANYONE to judge them one way or another is simply cheap.

I didn't read this bullshit.

At ten years old I knew another man's dick didn't belong in my ass.

LOL

so the way you win debates is by ignoring facts.

actually, that's the way you lose debates too.

11/10/11

I agree with ANT, McQueary should also face punitive consequences. He saw the act, why didn't he go to the police? I hope that scumbag gets his along with Sandusky.

11/10/11

Just curious ivoteforthatguy are you at McKinsey's government practice in DC? One of my friends just started there

11/10/11

not anymore, i've moved on to bigger and better things. i owe WSO a post about the joys of moving from consulting to trading.

11/10/11

Bottom line, the 28 year old should get raped in prison for not shit kicking that piece of shit Sandusky.

11/10/11

The guy that saw the actual act needs to kill himself. What a pussy bitch.

Paterno did the bare minimum, the absolute bare minimum. This guy has so much fucking clout and is a God at PSU, and he does next to nothing after hearing the news. On a moral level, this guy is a piece of shit.

I really don't understand people running to Paterno's defense. If that were your kid getting pounded and you found out that Paterno didn't do anything of note to solve the problem and seemingly moved on with his life, I think you'd probably want him dead.

Not to mention, Paterno was on the board of Sandusky's foundation (apparent sex ring). And Sandusky would hang around the PSU campus and football facilities for YEARS after the incident that was witnessed. The dude was around the PSU weight room within the last two weeks!

So, yeah, JoePa isn't guilty of any crime...but he sure as shit seemed to have no problem with a fucking child rapist hanging around him or his players.

How is this defensible?

11/10/11

^ yeah where the fuck was that guy in all this? does he think it is normal for a grown man to be sexually attacking a child?

we get all high and mighty judging the nazis, etc. and the average german for not standing up to them, but talk about fucking failing the test of integrity on this one. that kid needed an adult to help him THEN AND THERE. i used to think that we as americans are exceptional in that we say fuck you to authority figures when it is immoral, but i have to start rethinking that.

11/10/11

To add: The fact that the 28 year old graduate assistant did something worse does not mean that Paterno did no wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right, folks. It's humorous to hear people defend Paterno for telling his boss as enough but excoriate the 28 year old for doing essentially the same thing.

And holy fuck, do we really hold people to such low standards? Do we really hold our leaders to such low standards? Paterno is/was a GOD on PSU's campus with more power than just about anyone, and THAT's what he did? And some of you find that acceptable?

Holy fucking shit.

11/10/11
TheKing:

To add: The fact that the 28 year old graduate assistant did something worse does not mean that Paterno did no wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right, folks. It's humorous to hear people defend Paterno for telling his boss as enough but excoriate the 28 year old for doing essentially the same thing.

And holy fuck, do we really hold people to such low standards? Do we really hold our leaders to such low standards? Paterno is/was a GOD on PSU's campus with more power than just about anyone, and THAT's what he did? And some of you find that acceptable?

Holy fucking shit.

This entire story is sickening. There was an interview with one of the victims' older sisters, who is now a junior at penn state, and she described hearing her classmates joking about the kids getting "sanduskied."

Aside from the pedophilia, this episode reveals the obsession with sports on college campuses, which results in athletes and coaches being held to a different moral standard. They don't give a damm about the professors or the students' actual quality of education while coaches and athletes are treated like gods.

11/10/11
Brady4MVP:
TheKing:

To add: The fact that the 28 year old graduate assistant did something worse does not mean that Paterno did no wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right, folks. It's humorous to hear people defend Paterno for telling his boss as enough but excoriate the 28 year old for doing essentially the same thing.

And holy fuck, do we really hold people to such low standards? Do we really hold our leaders to such low standards? Paterno is/was a GOD on PSU's campus with more power than just about anyone, and THAT's what he did? And some of you find that acceptable?

Holy fucking shit.

This entire story is sickening. There was an interview with one of the victims' older sisters, who is now a junior at penn state, and she described hearing her classmates joking about the kids getting "sanduskied."

Aside from the pedophilia, this episode reveals the obsession with sports on college campuses, which results in athletes and coaches being held to a different moral standard. They don't give a damm about the professors or the students' actual quality of education while coaches and athletes are treated like gods.

lol, this isn't something just limited to sports figures

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/10/11

Again, it doesn't seem like many of you have read the link the OP provided.

Sandusky had emeritus status, meaning he had the same privileges as regular faculty, including an office at PSU.

Further, I believe I read in the report that PSU also allows former coaches unrestricted access to PSU football facilities, including the locker room.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/10/11
Nefarious-:

Again, it doesn't seem like many of you have read the link the OP provided.

Sandusky had emeritus status, meaning he had the same privileges as regular faculty, including an office at PSU.

Further, I believe I read in the report that PSU also allows former coaches unrestricted access to PSU football facilities, including the locker room.

What is your point? I don't think that fucking little boys in the ass is a privilege of regular faculty.

11/10/11
TheKing:
Nefarious-:

Again, it doesn't seem like many of you have read the link the OP provided.

Sandusky had emeritus status, meaning he had the same privileges as regular faculty, including an office at PSU.

Further, I believe I read in the report that PSU also allows former coaches unrestricted access to PSU football facilities, including the locker room.

What is your point? I don't think that fucking little boys in the ass is a privilege of regular faculty.

King, your ignorance is truly boundless.

You seemed confused as to how Sandusky is able to rome around PSU campus whenever he wants.

That's how.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/10/11
Nefarious-:
TheKing:
Nefarious-:

Again, it doesn't seem like many of you have read the link the OP provided.

Sandusky had emeritus status, meaning he had the same privileges as regular faculty, including an office at PSU.

Further, I believe I read in the report that PSU also allows former coaches unrestricted access to PSU football facilities, including the locker room.

What is your point? I don't think that fucking little boys in the ass is a privilege of regular faculty.

King, your ignorance is truly boundless.

You seemed confused as to how Sandusky is able to rome around PSU campus whenever he wants.

That's how.

Are you serious? My point is that the fucker should've never been allowed BACK on campus after the truth of him fucking children came to the light. I'm saying that fucking a little boy in the ass and getting caught should lead the school to ban him from campus (along with having him arrested.)

What is your argument even? How is this ignorant?

Sandusky...is that you?

11/10/11
TheKing:
Nefarious-:
TheKing:
Nefarious-:

Again, it doesn't seem like many of you have read the link the OP provided.

Sandusky had emeritus status, meaning he had the same privileges as regular faculty, including an office at PSU.

Further, I believe I read in the report that PSU also allows former coaches unrestricted access to PSU football facilities, including the locker room.

What is your point? I don't think that fucking little boys in the ass is a privilege of regular faculty.

King, your ignorance is truly boundless.

You seemed confused as to how Sandusky is able to rome around PSU campus whenever he wants.

That's how.

Are you serious? My point is that the fucker should've never been allowed BACK on campus after the truth of him fucking children came to the light. I'm saying that fucking a little boy in the ass and getting caught should lead the school to ban him from campus (along with having him arrested.)

What is your argument even? How is this ignorant?

Sandusky...is that you?

well it wasn't revoked, and that is how he had the right to still be where he wanted at PSU.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/10/11
Nefarious-:
TheKing:
Nefarious-:
TheKing:
Nefarious-:

Again, it doesn't seem like many of you have read the link the OP provided.

Sandusky had emeritus status, meaning he had the same privileges as regular faculty, including an office at PSU.

Further, I believe I read in the report that PSU also allows former coaches unrestricted access to PSU football facilities, including the locker room.

What is your point? I don't think that fucking little boys in the ass is a privilege of regular faculty.

King, your ignorance is truly boundless.

You seemed confused as to how Sandusky is able to rome around PSU campus whenever he wants.

That's how.

Are you serious? My point is that the fucker should've never been allowed BACK on campus after the truth of him fucking children came to the light. I'm saying that fucking a little boy in the ass and getting caught should lead the school to ban him from campus (along with having him arrested.)

What is your argument even? How is this ignorant?

Sandusky...is that you?

well it wasn't revoked, and that is how he had the right to still be where he wanted at PSU.

Dude, the fact that it wasn't revoked and that he wasn't arrested is the entire reason why this is a scandal and the entire reason why this is a thread.

You are making a point about nothing and an argument against no one.

11/10/11
TheKing:
Nefarious-:
TheKing:
Nefarious-:
TheKing:
Nefarious-:

Again, it doesn't seem like many of you have read the link the OP provided.

Sandusky had emeritus status, meaning he had the same privileges as regular faculty, including an office at PSU.

Further, I believe I read in the report that PSU also allows former coaches unrestricted access to PSU football facilities, including the locker room.

What is your point? I don't think that fucking little boys in the ass is a privilege of regular faculty.

King, your ignorance is truly boundless.

You seemed confused as to how Sandusky is able to rome around PSU campus whenever he wants.

That's how.

Are you serious? My point is that the fucker should've never been allowed BACK on campus after the truth of him fucking children came to the light. I'm saying that fucking a little boy in the ass and getting caught should lead the school to ban him from campus (along with having him arrested.)

What is your argument even? How is this ignorant?

Sandusky...is that you?

well it wasn't revoked, and that is how he had the right to still be where he wanted at PSU.

Dude, the fact that it wasn't revoked and that he wasn't arrested is the entire reason why this is a scandal and the entire reason why this is a thread.

You are making a point about nothing and an argument against no one.

King, you are so dense it is unreal.

You are clearly confused about how he was able to go wherever he wanted at PSU. There is a lot of stuff that should have happened in this situation, but it didn't and because it didn't, the man still had free rein to go and do what he wanted.

I am not arguing that someone should have done something, I am telling you why he was still able to come and go as he pleased.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/10/11

the special treatment is limited to sports figures and the like.

if sandusky was the janitor and not on the coaching staff, he'd be tossing salad in prison today.

11/10/11

Dude, I have already said this...I CLEARLY understand why he was able to go to PSU whenever he wanted. You are not enlightening anyone.

What I am saying ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE is that he should have been arrested in 2002 and should have been rotting in jail for the past 8+ years. I'm saying that he should not have been allowed back on PSU's campus or anywhere else other than prison after getting caught.

No one is arguing with your worthless logistical point, we are having an argument about the morals of the situation and whether or not JoePa did enough.

Are you a troll?

11/10/11
TheKing:

Dude, I have already said this...I CLEARLY understand why he was able to go to PSU whenever he wanted. You are not enlightening anyone.

What I am saying ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE is that he should have been arrested in 2002 and should have been rotting in jail for the past 8+ years. I'm saying that he should not have been allowed back on PSU's campus or anywhere else other than prison after getting caught.

No one is arguing with your worthless logistical point, we are having an argument about the morals of the situation and whether or not JoePa did enough.

Are you a troll?

Actually dipshit, he should have been arrested in the late 90s when he did this and was caught the first time.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/10/11
Nefarious-:
TheKing:

Dude, I have already said this...I CLEARLY understand why he was able to go to PSU whenever he wanted. You are not enlightening anyone.

What I am saying ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE is that he should have been arrested in 2002 and should have been rotting in jail for the past 8+ years. I'm saying that he should not have been allowed back on PSU's campus or anywhere else other than prison after getting caught.

No one is arguing with your worthless logistical point, we are having an argument about the morals of the situation and whether or not JoePa did enough.

Are you a troll?

Actually dipshit, he should have been arrested in the late 90s when he did this and was caught the first time.

Finally, you're not making logistical arguments about emeritus faculty status!

11/10/11
TheKing:
Nefarious-:
TheKing:

Dude, I have already said this...I CLEARLY understand why he was able to go to PSU whenever he wanted. You are not enlightening anyone.

What I am saying ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE is that he should have been arrested in 2002 and should have been rotting in jail for the past 8+ years. I'm saying that he should not have been allowed back on PSU's campus or anywhere else other than prison after getting caught.

No one is arguing with your worthless logistical point, we are having an argument about the morals of the situation and whether or not JoePa did enough.

Are you a troll?

Actually dipshit, he should have been arrested in the late 90s when he did this and was caught the first time.

Finally, you're not making logistical arguments about emeritus faculty status!

King, I was never arguing with you. I was telling you how he had free access anywhere and everywhere at PSU.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/10/11

Neither of you were really arguing with each other and it was pretty funny to read through.

looking for that pick-me-up to power through an all-nighter?
11/10/11

Wow... just fucking wow... With the exception of one person (now two) in this thread, you are all looking at the media bullshit and letting the blame fall on Joe Paterno. Wow... For as much power and clout as the man held, he was still just on staff and had to report to people above him. Look at all of the facts we know, and realize that we don't know everything. Until the dust settles, stop being a bunch of fucking idiots and talk about this until all of the facts have come forth. Once that point happens, then you can discuss the moral obligations and all of that bullshit. Until then, just shut up and watch thing unfold before you form an opinion based on the media's witch hunt of Joe Paterno.

11/10/11
Frieds:

Wow... just fucking wow... With the exception of one person (now two) in this thread, you are all looking at the media bullshit and letting the blame fall on Joe Paterno. Wow... For as much power and clout as the man held, he was still just on staff and had to report to people above him. Look at all of the facts we know, and realize that we don't know everything. Until the dust settles, stop being a bunch of fucking idiots and talk about this until all of the facts have come forth. Once that point happens, then you can discuss the moral obligations and all of that bullshit. Until then, just shut up and watch thing unfold before you form an opinion based on the media's witch hunt of Joe Paterno.

I am not sure if you are referencing me, but if you are not, I am the main person fighting off the nut bags in terms of hanging Paterno from the rafters.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/10/11
Frieds:

Wow... just fucking wow... With the exception of one person (now two) in this thread, you are all looking at the media bullshit and letting the blame fall on Joe Paterno. Wow... For as much power and clout as the man held, he was still just on staff and had to report to people above him. Look at all of the facts we know, and realize that we don't know everything. Until the dust settles, stop being a bunch of fucking idiots and talk about this until all of the facts have come forth. Once that point happens, then you can discuss the moral obligations and all of that bullshit. Until then, just shut up and watch thing unfold before you form an opinion based on the media's witch hunt of Joe Paterno.

Did someone go to a big ten school? Buddy the scandal is blown well apart the facts are well on the table. Blame all the media and everything you want but there is more than enough proof to put sandusky and whoever else away for a long time. Likewise Paterno basically admitted himself "he did not do enough".

11/10/11

This is about to get even worse. Not sure if this article has been posted yet, but take a look
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/penn-stat...

The cover-up thing sounds plausible. The guy was 55 and at the top of his game. In this article (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/mag...), Sandusky said "I am a little disappointed I couldn't become a head coach." A ton of prominent athletes/coaches have charities and they still do their normal jobs. Why wouldn't he go for a head-coaching position then? Either everything was swept under the rug by Penn State (unlikely IMO, unless more details come to light later), or his "unique method" of fundraising took priority over his coaching career (more likely).

JoePa obviously deserved to be fired...but I can't believe McQueary is being allowed to coach on Saturday. JoePa had more influence, but McQueary saw what happened...which should make him more culpable. They're going to have to give him a ton of security...given how there were so many PSU students rioting in the streets, it wouldn't surprise me at all if somebody decided to try and put him in the hospital. My guess is that he'll be gone soon as well

EDIT: Nvm, McQueary isn't coaching on Saturday due to threats
http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-re...

11/10/11
notaspammer:

This is about to get even worse. Not sure if this article has been posted yet, but take a look
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/penn-stat...

The cover-up thing sounds plausible. The guy was 55 and at the top of his game. In this article (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/mag...), Sandusky said "I am a little disappointed I couldn't become a head coach." A ton of prominent athletes/coaches have charities and they still do their normal jobs. Why wouldn't he go for a head-coaching position then? Either everything was swept under the rug by Penn State (unlikely IMO, unless more details come to light later), or his "unique method" of fundraising took priority over his coaching career (more likely).

JoePa obviously deserved to be fired...but I can't believe McQueary is being allowed to coach on Saturday. JoePa had more influence, but McQueary saw what happened...which should make him more culpable. They're going to have to give him a ton of security...given how there were so many PSU students rioting in the streets, it wouldn't surprise me at all if somebody decided to try and put him in the hospital. My guess is that he'll be gone soon as well

McQ is not going to be at the game on Sat now for "his own safety"

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11/11/11

I find it very hard to believe that if any of you worked with someone for as long as Paterno worked with Sandusky that any of you would actually contact the police based on something you heard second hand, even if it was something like this, killing hookers Ridgeway-style, etc.

By the way, state police had Sandusky on wire tap saying to a victim's mother that he "maybe....maybe not" touched her son. This was about 10 years ago and nothing was done. While what Joe did was probably the bare minimum, considering the circumstances of his relationship to Sandusky, I can't say I would have acted differently. If someone tells you your brother was caught in the shower with a child, you simply believe it? Fuck no, and any of you who say otherwise are retarded. There were so many opoprtunities to stop this before Joe Paterno's actions made any difference to the case. No one seems to be talking about that the DA from the beginning of the investigation has been declared legally dead after going off the grid almost 6 years ago.

This is just like the Duke Lax case a few years ago. The school has to pretend to give a shit so they take some wild measures against people who turn out to have no/minimal involvement just so they can satisfy Nancy Grace and Jemele Hill. And the state police are going to attempt to clear themselves of doing anything wrong, which is exactly what police do, so try not to believe them because they had more than enough info from previous investigations and still did nothing.

I will be cheering proudly for PSU football this weekend, especially since Taylor Martinez throws like a girl and does not deserve to lead the Cornfuckers to a bowl game.

11/11/11
Jesse.Livermore:

I find it very hard to believe that if any of you worked with someone for as long as Paterno worked with Sandusky that any of you would actually contact the police based on something you heard second hand, even if it was something like this, killing hookers Ridgeway-style, etc.

By the way, state police had Sandusky on wire tap saying to a victim's mother that he "maybe....maybe not" touched her son. This was about 10 years ago and nothing was done. While what Joe did was probably the bare minimum, considering the circumstances of his relationship to Sandusky, I can't say I would have acted differently. If someone tells you your brother was caught in the shower with a child, you simply believe it? Fuck no, and any of you who say otherwise are retarded. There were so many opoprtunities to stop this before Joe Paterno's actions made any difference to the case. No one seems to be talking about that the DA from the beginning of the investigation has been declared legally dead after going off the grid almost 6 years ago.

This is just like the Duke Lax case a few years ago. The school has to pretend to give a shit so they take some wild measures against people who turn out to have no/minimal involvement just so they can satisfy Nancy Grace and Jemele Hill. And the state police are going to attempt to clear themselves of doing anything wrong, which is exactly what police do, so try not to believe them because they had more than enough info from previous investigations and still did nothing.

I will be cheering proudly for PSU football this weekend, especially since Taylor Martinez throws like a girl and does not deserve to lead the Cornfuckers to a bowl game.

Fun fact: Nancy Grace's husband is an iBanker http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-linch/4/929/971

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11/11/11
Jesse.Livermore:

I find it very hard to believe that if any of you worked with someone for as long as Paterno worked with Sandusky that any of you would actually contact the police based on something you heard second hand, even if it was something like this, killing hookers Ridgeway-style, etc.

By the way, state police had Sandusky on wire tap saying to a victim's mother that he "maybe....maybe not" touched her son. This was about 10 years ago and nothing was done. While what Joe did was probably the bare minimum, considering the circumstances of his relationship to Sandusky, I can't say I would have acted differently. If someone tells you your brother was caught in the shower with a child, you simply believe it? Fuck no, and any of you who say otherwise are retarded. There were so many opoprtunities to stop this before Joe Paterno's actions made any difference to the case. No one seems to be talking about that the DA from the beginning of the investigation has been declared legally dead after going off the grid almost 6 years ago.

This is just like the Duke Lax case a few years ago. The school has to pretend to give a shit so they take some wild measures against people who turn out to have no/minimal involvement just so they can satisfy Nancy Grace and Jemele Hill. And the state police are going to attempt to clear themselves of doing anything wrong, which is exactly what police do, so try not to believe them because they had more than enough info from previous investigations and still did nothing.

I will be cheering proudly for PSU football this weekend, especially since Taylor Martinez throws like a girl and does not deserve to lead the Cornfuckers to a bowl game.

Wrong. Sandusky confessed to the crimes back in 1998 when he told the victim's mom that he wants her forgiveness and wants to die. The 2002 shower incident witnessed by McQueery was NOT the first or only incident of this. The cops, joepa, and other higher-ups at penn state knew about Sandusky's perversion going back to 1998. I don't give a flying fuck how long paterno worked with sandusky or how close their relationship was. Paterno should have done the morally right thing and made sure sandusky was punished ASAP for his heinous crimes. Rather, Sandusky was allowed to voluntarily retire while still having access to the facilities and continuing his molestation of little boys under the guise of his "charity" for disadvantaged children. Unfuckingreal.

Have fun cheering for a football team that was once led by a pedophile and a pedophile enabler.

11/11/11
Brady4MVP:

Have fun cheering for a football team that was once led by a pedophile and a pedophile enabler.

I will, don't you worry. Have fun touching yourself to the Booth admissions requirements. Heard its really prestigious bro.

Maybe if you put your previous appearance on a South Park episode you will make the cut.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s14e...

11/11/11
Jesse.Livermore:
Brady4MVP:

Have fun cheering for a football team that was once led by a pedophile and a pedophile enabler.

I will, don't you worry. Have fun touching yourself to the Booth admissions requirements. Heard its really prestigious bro.

Maybe if you put your previous appearance on a South Park episode you will make the cut.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s14e...

As dumb as jerking it to B-School is, it's not even in the same universe as defending a child rape-enabler.

11/11/11
Brady4MVP:
Jesse.Livermore:

I find it very hard to believe that if any of you worked with someone for as long as Paterno worked with Sandusky that any of you would actually contact the police based on something you heard second hand, even if it was something like this, killing hookers Ridgeway-style, etc.

By the way, state police had Sandusky on wire tap saying to a victim's mother that he "maybe....maybe not" touched her son. This was about 10 years ago and nothing was done. While what Joe did was probably the bare minimum, considering the circumstances of his relationship to Sandusky, I can't say I would have acted differently. If someone tells you your brother was caught in the shower with a child, you simply believe it? Fuck no, and any of you who say otherwise are retarded. There were so many opoprtunities to stop this before Joe Paterno's actions made any difference to the case. No one seems to be talking about that the DA from the beginning of the investigation has been declared legally dead after going off the grid almost 6 years ago.

This is just like the Duke Lax case a few years ago. The school has to pretend to give a shit so they take some wild measures against people who turn out to have no/minimal involvement just so they can satisfy Nancy Grace and Jemele Hill. And the state police are going to attempt to clear themselves of doing anything wrong, which is exactly what police do, so try not to believe them because they had more than enough info from previous investigations and still did nothing.

I will be cheering proudly for PSU football this weekend, especially since Taylor Martinez throws like a girl and does not deserve to lead the Cornfuckers to a bowl game.

Wrong. Sandusky confessed to the crimes back in 1998 when he told the victim's mom that he wants her forgiveness and wants to die. The 2002 shower incident witnessed by McQueery was NOT the first or only incident of this. The cops, joepa, and other higher-ups at penn state knew about Sandusky's perversion going back to 1998. I don't give a flying fuck how long paterno worked with sandusky or how close their relationship was. Paterno should have done the morally right thing and made sure sandusky was punished ASAP for his heinous crimes. Rather, Sandusky was allowed to voluntarily retire while still having access to the facilities and continuing his molestation of little boys under the guise of his "charity" for disadvantaged children. Unfuckingreal.

Have fun cheering for a football team that was once led by a pedophile and a pedophile enabler.

Real talk.

I don't get the people in here defending Paterno. Dude did next to nothing considering his clout. He knew about Sandusky and told one dude who did nothing...and then they let a child rapist come and go on campus as much as he wanted afterwards...and he was still running the fucking charity that supplied him with victims.

"but but...JoePa did what he could!"

Get Sandusky out of your ass and put some common sense in your head.

11/11/11
TheKing:

Get Sandusky out of your ass and put some common sense in your head.

King,

I think given the current situation, this was very poorly worded on your part :P

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/11/11
Brady4MVP:

Have fun cheering for a football team that was once led by a pedophile and a pedophile enabler.

This is just plain fucking stupid.

What does the football team have anything to do with this? So now you can't cheer for a football team that has any connection to criminals?

Hmmm... Ray Lewis, O.J. Simpson, Plaxico.

What about in your case since you are on your knees for the Patriots?
http://www.footballrumblings.com/former-new-englan...

Kevin Faulk:
Arrested on a misdemeanor marijuana charge in Lafayette, La. in 2008

Randy Moss:
Arrested in 2004, while a member of the Minnesota Vikings, on two charges -
Felony charge of Suspicion of Assault with a Deadly Weapon (a car) and a misdemeanor charge of Possession of Marijuana. The felony charge was dropped, and he pled guilty to a misdemeanor traffic violation.

Nick Kaczur:
Arrested in 2008 for possession of Illegal Prescription Drugs (Oxycodone). He cooperated with a DEA Investigation, and no charges were filed.

What kind of piece of shit would cheer for any sort of organization that has any connection with such bad apples?

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/11/11
Nefarious-:
Brady4MVP:

Have fun cheering for a football team that was once led by a pedophile and a pedophile enabler.

This is just plain fucking stupid.

What does the football team have anything to do with this? So now you can't cheer for a football team that has any connection to criminals?

Hmmm... Ray Lewis, O.J. Simpson, Plaxico.

What about in your case since you are on your knees for the Patriots?
http://www.footballrumblings.com/former-new-englan...

Kevin Faulk:
Arrested on a misdemeanor marijuana charge in Lafayette, La. in 2008

Randy Moss:
Arrested in 2004, while a member of the Minnesota Vikings, on two charges -
Felony charge of Suspicion of Assault with a Deadly Weapon (a car) and a misdemeanor charge of Possession of Marijuana. The felony charge was dropped, and he pled guilty to a misdemeanor traffic violation.

Nick Kaczur:
Arrested in 2008 for possession of Illegal Prescription Drugs (Oxycodone). He cooperated with a DEA Investigation, and no charges were filed.

What kind of piece of shit would cheer for any sort of organization that has any connection with such bad apples?

Don't forget the recently departed Albert Haynesworth (sexual harassment) and Julian Edelman (sexual harassment).

-Pats fan who thinks Brady4MVP is a complete idiot

"For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry God. Bloody Mary full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails. Pray for me now and at the hour of my death, which I hope is soon. Amen."

11/11/11
duffmt6:
Nefarious-:
Brady4MVP:

Have fun cheering for a football team that was once led by a pedophile and a pedophile enabler.

This is just plain fucking stupid.

What does the football team have anything to do with this? So now you can't cheer for a football team that has any connection to criminals?

Hmmm... Ray Lewis, O.J. Simpson, Plaxico.

What about in your case since you are on your knees for the Patriots?
http://www.footballrumblings.com/former-new-englan...

Kevin Faulk:
Arrested on a misdemeanor marijuana charge in Lafayette, La. in 2008

Randy Moss:
Arrested in 2004, while a member of the Minnesota Vikings, on two charges -
Felony charge of Suspicion of Assault with a Deadly Weapon (a car) and a misdemeanor charge of Possession of Marijuana. The felony charge was dropped, and he pled guilty to a misdemeanor traffic violation.

Nick Kaczur:
Arrested in 2008 for possession of Illegal Prescription Drugs (Oxycodone). He cooperated with a DEA Investigation, and no charges were filed.

What kind of piece of shit would cheer for any sort of organization that has any connection with such bad apples?

Don't forget the recently departed Albert Haynesworth (sexual harassment) and Julian Edelman (sexual harassment).

-Pats fan who thinks Brady4MVP is a complete idiot

Haha, thanks duff. Those two are actually more relevant to what is happening in this thread.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/11/11
Nefarious-:

Kevin Faulk:
Arrested on a misdemeanor marijuana charge in Lafayette, La. in 2008

Randy Moss:
Arrested in 2004, while a member of the Minnesota Vikings, on two charges -
Felony charge of Suspicion of Assault with a Deadly Weapon (a car) and a misdemeanor charge of Possession of Marijuana. The felony charge was dropped, and he pled guilty to a misdemeanor traffic violation.

Nick Kaczur:
Arrested in 2008 for possession of Illegal Prescription Drugs (Oxycodone). He cooperated with a DEA Investigation, and no charges were filed.

What kind of piece of shit would cheer for any sort of organization that has any connection with such bad apples?

Yea, what bad apples. You know, with their marijuana possession, traffic violations and OTC drugs. Man what is next? Will some guy get a citation for a busted tail light? Or a bounced check?

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
-Styles P

11/11/11
eokpar02:
Nefarious-:

Kevin Faulk:
Arrested on a misdemeanor marijuana charge in Lafayette, La. in 2008

Randy Moss:
Arrested in 2004, while a member of the Minnesota Vikings, on two charges -
Felony charge of Suspicion of Assault with a Deadly Weapon (a car) and a misdemeanor charge of Possession of Marijuana. The felony charge was dropped, and he pled guilty to a misdemeanor traffic violation.

Nick Kaczur:
Arrested in 2008 for possession of Illegal Prescription Drugs (Oxycodone). He cooperated with a DEA Investigation, and no charges were filed.

What kind of piece of shit would cheer for any sort of organization that has any connection with such bad apples?

Yea, what bad apples. You know, with their marijuana possession, traffic violations and OTC drugs. Man what is next? Will some guy get a citation for a busted tail light? Or a bounced check?

Where do you live that you can you find oxycodone OTC?

"For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry God. Bloody Mary full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails. Pray for me now and at the hour of my death, which I hope is soon. Amen."

11/11/11
duffmt6:
eokpar02:
Nefarious-:

Kevin Faulk:
Arrested on a misdemeanor marijuana charge in Lafayette, La. in 2008

Randy Moss:
Arrested in 2004, while a member of the Minnesota Vikings, on two charges -
Felony charge of Suspicion of Assault with a Deadly Weapon (a car) and a misdemeanor charge of Possession of Marijuana. The felony charge was dropped, and he pled guilty to a misdemeanor traffic violation.

Nick Kaczur:
Arrested in 2008 for possession of Illegal Prescription Drugs (Oxycodone). He cooperated with a DEA Investigation, and no charges were filed.

What kind of piece of shit would cheer for any sort of organization that has any connection with such bad apples?

Yea, what bad apples. You know, with their marijuana possession, traffic violations and OTC drugs. Man what is next? Will some guy get a citation for a busted tail light? Or a bounced check?

Where do you live that you can you find oxycodone OTC?

interested as well

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/11/11
duffmt6:

Where do you live that you can you find oxycodone OTC?

Sorry, not in the USA. If you are willing to go to Mexico you can get it OTC.

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
-Styles P

11/11/11
eokpar02:
duffmt6:

Where do you live that you can you find oxycodone OTC?

Sorry, not in the USA. If you are willing to go to Mexico you can get it OTC.

Is that Sandusky in your avatar?

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/11/11

I don't think any more detail is required. You either agree, or disagree, that knowledge of a colleague ass raping a little boy is worthy of being brought to the police. Jo Pa admitted he knew. He admitted he was told, and while he brought it to others inside the University, he did not bring it to police. These are the facts, as they stand without moral judgement.

Now, given those facts you can pass judgement on him, or not. You are free to argue that he did all that was required of him, or you are free to argue that he should have brought it to the police and that not doing so makes him a degenerate and maybe a criminal. My personal view is that anyone that knew should be hanging from the rafters, including Jo Pa. If that was my kid that got a penis in the rear, I guarantee you I'd be at old Joe's house well before the cops, and we'd have a nice long chat about why he didn't end that child rapist immediately.

11/11/11
djfiii:

He admitted he was told, and while he brought it to others inside the University, he did not bring it to police.

This is a highly debatable opinion.

He informed Schultz, who was head of campus PD. How is that not informing the police?

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/11/11
Nefarious-:
djfiii:

He admitted he was told, and while he brought it to others inside the University, he did not bring it to police.

This is a highly debatable opinion.

He informed Schultz, who was head of campus PD. How is that not informing the police?

Even if you allow that, do you think it's sufficient not to follow up? I mean, the guy continued to be on his staff for years so it's not like anyone had to go out of their way to know nothing had been done. So the real question is, once anyone of them found out, why wasn't it front and center until resolved? Why wouldn't any one of them take it upon themselves to confront the guy, dig around to see if it was true, and make sure that if it was, the real police were involved and arrested the guy? This isn't a booster giving a student athlete a car, where you could say "eh, no big deal, wink wink nod nod". This is child ass rape. Any human being that discovers another human being ass raping a 10 year old kid should make damn sure it stops, and that the rapist is hung from a tree by his balls.

11/11/11
djfiii:
Nefarious-:
djfiii:

He admitted he was told, and while he brought it to others inside the University, he did not bring it to police.

This is a highly debatable opinion.

He informed Schultz, who was head of campus PD. How is that not informing the police?

Even if you allow that, do you think it's sufficient not to follow up? I mean, the guy continued to be on his staff for years. So the real question is, once anyone of them found out, why wasn't it front and center until resolved? Why wouldn't any one of them take it upon themselves to confront the guy, dig around to see if it was true, and make sure that if it was, the real police were involved and arrested the guy? This isn't a booster giving a student athlete a car, where you could say "eh, no big deal, wink wink nod nod". This is child ass rape. Any human being that discovers another human being ass raping a 10 year old kid should make damn sure it stops, and that the rapist is hung from a tree by his balls.

I am confused by this. The first time this came to light was in 98, Sandusky retired in 99.

As I have said numerous times (and is in the grand jury indictment if you read it) Sandusky had emeritus status, giving him full privileges as regular PSU faculty.

Also, per PSU policy, former football coaches have unrestricted access to PSU football facilities, including locker room.

Sandusky has not been a part of JoePa's staff since 99.

If you are going to hop in and comment, please do your research first.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/11/11
Nefarious-:
djfiii:
Nefarious-:
djfiii:

He admitted he was told, and while he brought it to others inside the University, he did not bring it to police.

This is a highly debatable opinion.

He informed Schultz, who was head of campus PD. How is that not informing the police?

Even if you allow that, do you think it's sufficient not to follow up? I mean, the guy continued to be on his staff for years. So the real question is, once anyone of them found out, why wasn't it front and center until resolved? Why wouldn't any one of them take it upon themselves to confront the guy, dig around to see if it was true, and make sure that if it was, the real police were involved and arrested the guy? This isn't a booster giving a student athlete a car, where you could say "eh, no big deal, wink wink nod nod". This is child ass rape. Any human being that discovers another human being ass raping a 10 year old kid should make damn sure it stops, and that the rapist is hung from a tree by his balls.

I am confused by this. The first time this came to light was in 98, Sandusky retired in 99.

As I have said numerous times (and is in the grand jury indictment if you read it) Sandusky had emeritus status, giving him full privileges as regular PSU faculty.

Also, per PSU policy, former football coaches have unrestricted access to PSU football facilities, including locker room.

Sandusky has not been a part of JoePa's staff since 99.

If you are going to hop in and comment, please do your research first.

Ok, so regardless of when he was no longer officially on Joe Pa's staff, he had the privileges you mentioned, and he continued to be heavily involved in campus activities, so everyone knew he was still around. They still interacted with him. It was obvious that, by virtue of still being a free man, the police hadn't followed through. The fact that he didn't report to Joe Pa anymore doesn't seem to have much relevance. At the end of the day, those that knew did not follow through to make sure the guy got prosecuted. You seem to be saying there is nothing wrong with that.

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djfiii:
Nefarious-:
djfiii:
Nefarious-:
djfiii:

He admitted he was told, and while he brought it to others inside the University, he did not bring it to police.

This is a highly debatable opinion.

He informed Schultz, who was head of campus PD. How is that not informing the police?

Even if you allow that, do you think it's sufficient not to follow up? I mean, the guy continued to be on his staff for years. So the real question is, once anyone of them found out, why wasn't it front and center until resolved? Why wouldn't any one of them take it upon themselves to confront the guy, dig around to see if it was true, and make sure that if it was, the real police were involved and arrested the guy? This isn't a booster giving a student athlete a car, where you could say "eh, no big deal, wink wink nod nod". This is child ass rape. Any human being that discovers another human being ass raping a 10 year old kid should make damn sure it stops, and that the rapist is hung from a tree by his balls.

I am confused by this. The first time this came to light was in 98, Sandusky retired in 99.

As I have said numerous times (and is in the grand jury indictment if you read it) Sandusky had emeritus status, giving him full privileges as regular PSU faculty.

Also, per PSU policy, former football coaches have unrestricted access to PSU football facilities, including locker room.

Sandusky has not been a part of JoePa's staff since 99.

If you are going to hop in and comment, please do your research first.

Ok, so regardless of when he was no longer officially on Joe Pa's staff, he had the privileges you mentioned, and he continued to be heavily involved in campus activities, so everyone knew he was still around. They still interacted with him. It was obvious that, by virtue of still being a free man, the police hadn't followed through. The fact that he didn't report to Joe Pa anymore doesn't seem to have much relevance. At the end of the day, those that knew did not follow through to make sure the guy got prosecuted. You seem to be saying there is nothing wrong with that.

I know less about the incident in the late 90s, but from what I have heard the issue was actually brought to the district attorney and he failed to do anything about it. The victim's mother contacted the police, etc.

Again, I am not defending Sandusky, but people are seeming to think that JoePa went out of his way to protect this guy and there is nothing to support that yet.

Innocent until proven guilty.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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Are you really equating child rape and child rape enabling to getting arrested for having pot?

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TheKing:

Are you really equating child rape and child rape enabling to getting arrested for having pot?

He is saying don't cheer for a football team because they have a connection to criminals.

I don't see why you have to lump the entire PSU football team (college students) into the same group as Sandusky. That is as stupid as not telling someone not to cheer for the Ravens because Ray Lewis is on the team.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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Nefarious-:
TheKing:

Are you really equating child rape and child rape enabling to getting arrested for having pot?

He is saying don't cheer for a football team because they have a connection to criminals.

I don't see why you have to lump the entire PSU football team (college students) into the same group as Sandusky. That is as stupid as not telling someone not to cheer for the Ravens because Ray Lewis is on the team.

No, he's saying don't root for a football team because they had two coaches on staff that enabled a child rapist to rape children and roam free on campus for over 10 years.

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Nefarious:

No one is debating the logistics of why former football coaches are on campus. They are saying that a former football coach who was caught fucking a little boy in the ass should have these privileges revoked / be put in prison. Not to mention, he sure as shit shouldn't be allowed to run a charity for at-risk kids anymore.

I don't see what you don't get here.

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TheKing:

Nefarious:

No one is debating the logistics of why former football coaches are on campus. They are saying that a former football coach who was caught fucking a little boy in the ass should have these privileges revoked / be put in prison. Not to mention, he sure as shit shouldn't be allowed to run a charity for at-risk kids anymore.

I don't see what you don't get here.

No, certain people are once again confused about how Sandusky is able to be on PSU campus and seem to think he is a part of JoePa's staff. He hasn't been for 14 years.

I am in no way defending Sandusky. He is a piece of shit. But Sandusky's emeritus status and former coaching privileges are something given to him by PSU, not JoePa. There needs to be more blame placed on the PSU higher ups and less of a witch hunt on JoePa here. It is way too early to be looking to hang JoePa from the rafters.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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Nefarious-:
TheKing:

Nefarious:

No one is debating the logistics of why former football coaches are on campus. They are saying that a former football coach who was caught fucking a little boy in the ass should have these privileges revoked / be put in prison. Not to mention, he sure as shit shouldn't be allowed to run a charity for at-risk kids anymore.

I don't see what you don't get here.

No, certain people are once again confused about how Sandusky is able to be on PSU campus and seem to think he is a part of JoePa's staff. He hasn't been for 14 years.

I am in no way defending Sandusky. He is a piece of shit. But Sandusky's emeritus status and former coaching privileges are something given to him by PSU, not JoePa. There needs to be more blame placed on the PSU higher ups and less of a witch hunt on JoePa here. It is way too early to be looking to hang JoePa from the rafters.

I agree the focus is on Joe Pa, but my point addresses him as an equal partner with everyone that knew. Lower level staff, University administration, etc. Anyone that knew and did nothing to make sure he was prosecuted needs to hang.

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djfiii:
Nefarious-:
TheKing:

Nefarious:

No one is debating the logistics of why former football coaches are on campus. They are saying that a former football coach who was caught fucking a little boy in the ass should have these privileges revoked / be put in prison. Not to mention, he sure as shit shouldn't be allowed to run a charity for at-risk kids anymore.

I don't see what you don't get here.

No, certain people are once again confused about how Sandusky is able to be on PSU campus and seem to think he is a part of JoePa's staff. He hasn't been for 14 years.

I am in no way defending Sandusky. He is a piece of shit. But Sandusky's emeritus status and former coaching privileges are something given to him by PSU, not JoePa. There needs to be more blame placed on the PSU higher ups and less of a witch hunt on JoePa here. It is way too early to be looking to hang JoePa from the rafters.

I agree the focus is on Joe Pa, but my point addresses him as an equal partner with everyone that knew. Lower level staff, University administration, etc. Anyone that knew and did nothing to make sure he was prosecuted needs to hang.

JoePa is a college football coach. He doesn't have the power to prosecute anyone. He went to his superior and informed him. The superior was also head of the campus PD.

Quite honestly, there needs to be more hatred and anger directed towards McQ. He saw it actually going down and went home to sleep on it before doing anything.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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Nefarious-:

JoePa is a college football coach. He doesn't have the power to prosecute anyone. He went to his superior and informed him. The superior was also head of the campus PD.

Quite honestly, there needs to be more hatred and anger directed towards McQ. He saw it actually going down and went home to sleep on it before doing anything.

You're deflecting. Nobody suggested he should be the one prosecuting. That's obvious and dumb.

People are suggesting that he should have had the moral aptitude to stay involved until a trial took place, and either sanduskies guilt or innocence was proven in court.

The hatred directed at Joe Pa is equally shared by everyone that knew.

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Nefarious-:
TheKing:

Nefarious:

No one is debating the logistics of why former football coaches are on campus. They are saying that a former football coach who was caught fucking a little boy in the ass should have these privileges revoked / be put in prison. Not to mention, he sure as shit shouldn't be allowed to run a charity for at-risk kids anymore.

I don't see what you don't get here.

No, certain people are once again confused about how Sandusky is able to be on PSU campus and seem to think he is a part of JoePa's staff. He hasn't been for 14 years.

I am in no way defending Sandusky. He is a piece of shit. But Sandusky's emeritus status and former coaching privileges are something given to him by PSU, not JoePa. There needs to be more blame placed on the PSU higher ups and less of a witch hunt on JoePa here. It is way too early to be looking to hang JoePa from the rafters.

JoePa is Penn State. Imagine if this happened at Duke and Coach K did the same thing Paterno did. Kerzooski would be crucified, and rightfully so. No different from what JoePa did. The bare minimum with no follow up, enabling a child rapist to roam free and continue to run a charity for children (and sit on the fucking board of it!) The excuses made for the most powerful man at Penn State are disgraceful.

THAT'S RIGHT I SAID KERZOOSKI!

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Nothing I posted suggested Joe Pa went out of his way to protect him. I've consistently said he seemed not to follow up, which to me is the same thing. Also, he already publicly acknowledged that he should have done more, that he should have followed up. So maybe innocent until an admission of guilt applies here?

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djfiii:

Nothing I posted suggested Joe Pa went out of his way to protect him. I've consistently said he seemed not to follow up, which to me is the same thing. Also, he already publicly acknowledged that he should have done more, that he should have followed up. So maybe innocent until an admission of guilt applies here?

Fact of the matter is there is a lot we don't know still. This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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Nefarious-:
djfiii:

Nothing I posted suggested Joe Pa went out of his way to protect him. I've consistently said he seemed not to follow up, which to me is the same thing. Also, he already publicly acknowledged that he should have done more, that he should have followed up. So maybe innocent until an admission of guilt applies here?

Fact of the matter is there is a lot we don't know still. This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

We know that Joe Pa knew, and did not stay engaged enough to make sure the police and prosecutors were pushing forward with an investigation that would determine innocence or guilt. That isn't up for debate. What is up for debate is your opinion as to whether Joe Pa, or anyone else had that sort of obligation. Most people feel that they did.

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http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11...

A multitude of incidents before 2002.

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Nefarious, you have got to be a Penn State alum, right? Otherwise, there's no way you'd be going all reacherman on us here.

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TheKing:

Nefarious, you have got to be a Penn State alum, right? Otherwise, there's no way you'd be going all reacherman on us here.

No, I did not go to PSU and have no connection to the school.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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^ Randy Moss farted in church once.

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Again, are people really equating drugs to child rape? I wouldn't equate drugs of any sort to child rape or child rape enabling. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

Letting a guy get off the hook for ass raping children is worse than a dude buying and doing oxycodone.

The first is an unthinkable moral failure...the latter makes you sleepy and incoherent.

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TheKing:

Again, are people really equating drugs to child rape? I wouldn't equate drugs of any sort to child rape or child rape enabling. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

Letting a guy get off the hook for ass raping children is worse than a dude buying and doing oxycodone.

The first is an unthinkable crime...the latter makes you sleepy and incoherent.

Haha. Nefarious has erected so many straw men in his arguments. Pretty hilarious.

He apparently doesn't get that an NFL player doing drugs and a football coch in his 50's raping little boys in the shower are not morally equivalent and should not be treated as such.

Moreover, no one is saying that Paterno is the only person to blame for this. A massive cover-up took place across all levels of the university, and as more information comes out we will find out the extent of the actors involved in this. But Paterno did know about Sandusky's crime, and made a conscious choice to not purse it aggressively. As the most powerful man at Penn state, if he wanted to fire sandusky, he could have easily done so.

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TheKing:

Again, are people really equating drugs to child rape?

Not that I have noticed.

"For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry God. Bloody Mary full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails. Pray for me now and at the hour of my death, which I hope is soon. Amen."

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TheKing:

Again, are people really equating drugs to child rape? I wouldn't equate drugs of any sort to child rape or child rape enabling. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

Letting a guy get off the hook for ass raping children is worse than a dude buying and doing oxycodone.

The first is an unthinkable moral failure...the latter makes you sleepy and incoherent.

Again King, you are missing the point. I'll just save us the next ten exchanges though because speaking to you is beyond pointless.

King: "No, you are missing the point, doing drugs is not the same as raping a child. [Insert incoherent and irrelevant blabber]"

Nefarious: "That is not the point I am getting at. I am attempting to draw a distinction to the fact that the PSU football players should not be viewed in the same light as people involved in the Sandusky incident. If we do that we need to view and hate other professional athletic programs the same way that have or have had criminals affiliated with them."

King: "How can you be for raping children? Don't you know that is bad? [Insert more incoherent rambling, dancing around the point being presented, adding no value]"

Nefarious: "I don't think you understand what I am saying [presents facts, walk through of logic for 8th time]"

King: "Joe Paterno is on the same level of morality as Hitler."

Nefarious: "I don't think that is a fair or accurate statement."

King: "Everyone from PSU past and present should be tried in this case!!!!"

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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Nice straw men.

Why don't you walk us through the privileges of emeritus faculty one more time. You're talking about logistics while the rest of us express moral outrage.

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TheKing:

Nice straw men.

Why don't you walk us through the privileges of emeritus faculty one more time. You're talking about logistics while the rest of us express moral outrage.

Do you need me to? It has eluded you often in this four page cluster fuck.

You should check out www.reddit.com (I'll bet the ranch you are already a subscriber) you're irrational way of thinking, lack of logic and blatant disregard of innocent until proven guilty will fit in perfectly over there.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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Nefarious-:
TheKing:

Nice straw men.

Why don't you walk us through the privileges of emeritus faculty one more time. You're talking about logistics while the rest of us express moral outrage.

Do you need me to? It has eluded you often in this four page cluster fuck.

You should check out www.reddit.com (I'll bet the ranch you are already a subscriber) you're irrational way of thinking, lack of logic and blatant disregard of innocent until proven guilty will fit in perfectly over there.

You just don't get it and never will.

Have a nice weekend everybody.

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TheKing:
Nefarious-:
TheKing:

Nice straw men.

Why don't you walk us through the privileges of emeritus faculty one more time. You're talking about logistics while the rest of us express moral outrage.

Do you need me to? It has eluded you often in this four page cluster fuck.

You should check out www.reddit.com (I'll bet the ranch you are already a subscriber) you're irrational way of thinking, lack of logic and blatant disregard of innocent until proven guilty will fit in perfectly over there.

You just don't get it and never will.

Have a nice weekend everybody.

Yup, I'm just really confused.

Can you please put me on track and recalibrate my moral compass?

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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Nefarious-:

Yup, I'm just really confused.

Can you please put me on track and recalibrate my moral compass?

I can. You conveniently stopped responding to me because I made a point you can't refute. You keep tossing out factual tidbits that aren't relevant. It's irrelevant that sandusky retired in '99. It's irrelevant that he was no longer reporting to Jo Pa. It's irrelevant that his ability to come and go at the University was not granted to him by Joe Pa.

The only relevant facts are (1) a number of people knew, Joe Pa included (they all share blame equally), and (2) none of them followed this thing through to conclusion. If you encounter someone ass-raping children, you make damn sure the proper authorities are involved from start to finish, and that guilt or innocence is proven one way or another. You don't just report it to your superior or the local rent-a-cop and call it a day. If you see this guy still fully engaged in university activities months, or in this case YEARS after the allegations, what the fuck? Keep following up. Are you seriously suggesting that it's reasonable for anyone to have been told this guy was ass-raping kids, and then a year, two years, three years later, still see him walking freely around campus, and not wonder "hmm, I wonder what ever came of that child rape case"? You should absolutely expect to see him in PRISON or completely vindicated. There is no middle ground, and if you accept that type of social apathy then you are what's wrong with this fucked up country.

11/12/11
djfiii:

If you encounter someone ass-raping children, you make damn sure the proper authorities are involved from start to finish

Not shockingly, your logic is flawed.

JoePa did not encounter anyone ass raping anyone.

JoePa informed the man in charge of campus PD.

Innocent until proven guilty.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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Nefarious-:
djfiii:

If you encounter someone ass-raping children, you make damn sure the proper authorities are involved from start to finish

Not shockingly, your logic is flawed.

JoePa did not encounter anyone ass raping anyone.

JoePa informed the man in charge of campus PD.

Innocent until proven guilty.

No it's not.

You're deflecting again. The fact that he didn't "encounter" it himself is irrelevant. He knew about it, and didn't do anything more than report it to campus PD.

The point that you keep intentionally avoiding, is whether or not he should have done more; whether or not he (and the rest of the administration that knew) should have followed up; whether or not he should have questioned why a child rapist was still roaming free on campus. You clearly think it was sufficient to just punt the issue, and not care that a child rapist still had free reign on campus right under his nose.

You keep clinging to catch phrases. Innocent until proven guilty? The "guilt" we're talking about is that he reported it to campus PD, and that's it. Since we agree that's what happened, and JoePa himself has admitted that's what happened, I'm not sure what you mean. I say that makes him guilty of not doing enough. He said the same thing. What the fuck are you saying exactly?

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djfiii:
Nefarious-:
djfiii:

If you encounter someone ass-raping children, you make damn sure the proper authorities are involved from start to finish

Not shockingly, your logic is flawed.

JoePa did not encounter anyone ass raping anyone.

JoePa informed the man in charge of campus PD.

Innocent until proven guilty.

No it's not.

You're deflecting again. The fact that he didn't "encounter" it himself is irrelevant. He knew about it, and didn't do anything more than report it to campus PD.

The point that you keep intentionally avoiding, is whether or not he should have done more; whether or not he (and the rest of the administration that knew) should have followed up; whether or not he should have questioned why a child rapist was still roaming free on campus. You clearly think it was sufficient to just punt the issue, and not care that a child rapist still had free reign on campus right under his nose.

You keep clinging to catch phrases. Innocent until proven guilty? The "guilt" we're talking about is that he reported it to campus PD, and that's it. Since we agree that's what happened, and JoePa himself has admitted that's what happened, I'm not sure what you mean. I say that makes him guilty of not doing enough. He said the same thing. What the fuck are you saying exactly?

You just said in your last post that he encountered someone ass raping someone.

Look, you are really adding no value here. Your issue seems to be with JoePa (an 84 year old mans) moral compass. That is your issue and one that is based completely on personal opinion.

Should JoePa have done more? Possibly. He admitted he feels like he should have done more.

To me, he received second hand information regarding this issue and reported it to his superiors, one of which was head of campus PD. I am presenting facts here. I am not allowing myself to get mixed up in the emotion of this topic like so many of you are.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/13/11
Nefarious-:
djfiii:
Nefarious-:
djfiii:

If you encounter someone ass-raping children, you make damn sure the proper authorities are involved from start to finish

Not shockingly, your logic is flawed.

JoePa did not encounter anyone ass raping anyone.

JoePa informed the man in charge of campus PD.

Innocent until proven guilty.

No it's not.

You're deflecting again. The fact that he didn't "encounter" it himself is irrelevant. He knew about it, and didn't do anything more than report it to campus PD.

The point that you keep intentionally avoiding, is whether or not he should have done more; whether or not he (and the rest of the administration that knew) should have followed up; whether or not he should have questioned why a child rapist was still roaming free on campus. You clearly think it was sufficient to just punt the issue, and not care that a child rapist still had free reign on campus right under his nose.

You keep clinging to catch phrases. Innocent until proven guilty? The "guilt" we're talking about is that he reported it to campus PD, and that's it. Since we agree that's what happened, and JoePa himself has admitted that's what happened, I'm not sure what you mean. I say that makes him guilty of not doing enough. He said the same thing. What the fuck are you saying exactly?

You just said in your last post that he encountered someone ass raping someone.

Look, you are really adding no value here. Your issue seems to be with JoePa (an 84 year old mans) moral compass. That is your issue and one that is based completely on personal opinion.

Should JoePa have done more? Possibly. He admitted he feels like he should have done more.

To me, he received second hand information regarding this issue and reported it to his superiors, one of which was head of campus PD. I am presenting facts here. I am not allowing myself to get mixed up in the emotion of this topic like so many of you are.

You're a fucking idiot. You keep deflecting to avoid the real issue. Yes I used the word "encountered", and I already explained the connotation of it the way I used it. He encountered it by virtue of having been told about it, meaning it was brought to his attention. It doesn't have to be the case that he walked in and personally saw Sandusky buried in some little kids ass for the word "encountered" to be used. Either way, you're focusing on a meaningless semantic argument to avoid the real issue.

And finally after about 4 pages, we agree. All I've been saying is that he should have done more; that he has already publicly admitted he should have done more. So, by his own admission, he's guilty of what I have accused him of - not doing enough. So what exactly is it that you think you're arguing?

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djfiii:
Nefarious-:
djfiii:
Nefarious-:
djfiii:

If you encounter someone ass-raping children, you make damn sure the proper authorities are involved from start to finish

Not shockingly, your logic is flawed.

JoePa did not encounter anyone ass raping anyone.

JoePa informed the man in charge of campus PD.

Innocent until proven guilty.

No it's not.

You're deflecting again. The fact that he didn't "encounter" it himself is irrelevant. He knew about it, and didn't do anything more than report it to campus PD.

The point that you keep intentionally avoiding, is whether or not he should have done more; whether or not he (and the rest of the administration that knew) should have followed up; whether or not he should have questioned why a child rapist was still roaming free on campus. You clearly think it was sufficient to just punt the issue, and not care that a child rapist still had free reign on campus right under his nose.

You keep clinging to catch phrases. Innocent until proven guilty? The "guilt" we're talking about is that he reported it to campus PD, and that's it. Since we agree that's what happened, and JoePa himself has admitted that's what happened, I'm not sure what you mean. I say that makes him guilty of not doing enough. He said the same thing. What the fuck are you saying exactly?

You just said in your last post that he encountered someone ass raping someone.

Look, you are really adding no value here. Your issue seems to be with JoePa (an 84 year old mans) moral compass. That is your issue and one that is based completely on personal opinion.

Should JoePa have done more? Possibly. He admitted he feels like he should have done more.

To me, he received second hand information regarding this issue and reported it to his superiors, one of which was head of campus PD. I am presenting facts here. I am not allowing myself to get mixed up in the emotion of this topic like so many of you are.

You're a fucking idiot. You keep deflecting to avoid the real issue. Yes I used the word "encountered", and I already explained the connotation of it the way I used it. He encountered it by virtue of having been told about it, meaning it was brought to his attention. It doesn't have to be the case that he walked in and personally saw Sandusky buried in some little kids ass for the word "encountered" to be used. Either way, you're focusing on a meaningless semantic argument to avoid the real issue.

And finally after about 4 pages, we agree. All I've been saying is that he should have done more; that he has already publicly admitted he should have done more. So, by his own admission, he's guilty of what I have accused him of - not doing enough. So what exactly is it that you think you're arguing?

How sad you have to resort to ad hominem's. I would be interested in knowing your employer so I can begin to look down on them for hiring someone as irrational and illogical as yourself.

In my opinion, JoePa did what he needed to do. Not sure how that is deflecting since I have addressed this issue and every other issue that anyone else has raised.

You are saying he needed to do more, I am saying he did enough by contacting the guy in charge of the police.

Maybe the people that should have done more are the DA and the police the first time this happened in the 90s.

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

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djfiii:
Nefarious-:
djfiii:

If you encounter someone ass-raping children, you make damn sure the proper authorities are involved from start to finish

Not shockingly, your logic is flawed.

JoePa did not encounter anyone ass raping anyone.

JoePa informed the man in charge of campus PD.

Innocent until proven guilty.

No it's not.

You're deflecting again. The fact that he didn't "encounter" it himself is irrelevant. He knew about it, and didn't do anything more than report it to campus PD.

The point that you keep intentionally avoiding, is whether or not he should have done more; whether or not he (and the rest of the administration that knew) should have followed up; whether or not he should have questioned why a child rapist was still roaming free on campus. You clearly think it was sufficient to just punt the issue, and not care that a child rapist still had free reign on campus right under his nose.

You keep clinging to catch phrases. Innocent until proven guilty? The "guilt" we're talking about is that he reported it to campus PD, and that's it. Since we agree that's what happened, and JoePa himself has admitted that's what happened, I'm not sure what you mean. I say that makes him guilty of not doing enough. He said the same thing. What the fuck are you saying exactly?

One more thing:

How is reporting the issue to the police not doing enough?

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

11/12/11
djfiii:

(2) none of them followed this thing through to conclusion. If you encounter someone ass-raping children, you make damn sure the proper authorities are involved from start to finish, and that guilt or innocence is proven one way or another. You don't just report it to your superior or the local rent-a-cop and call it a day.

I am just going to point out that these are not rent-a-cops as you bluntly put it. Penn State is the only campus I know of whose campus has its own Zip Code and is a fully functioning municipality. No other college campus that I am aware of has this right. The main campus is located in University Park, PA. It's not in State College, College Heights, Lamont, College Township, Patton Township, Harris Township or Halfmoon Township. University Park, PA is its own unincorporated town in PA - and this dates back to when Milton Eisenhower, the school's president, asked his brother, President Dwight Eisenhower, permission to change the name and jurisdiction of the University from State College to it's own governance. What happens on the grounds of Penn State's Main Campus isn't handled by State College or anyone else because they do not have a jurisdictional right to interfere. Reread that sentence because it's important to understand how things work at Penn State. No one but Penn State police have the authority to act in University Park, PA. There is respect between jurisdictions - that is State College Police and University Park police do not usually argue for jurisdictional prudence - but it does not mean that anyone else has jurisdictional authority once in University Park. The University Park police are the local authorities. The University Park Police carry the same legal weight as any other police force in the United States. If the main campus was under the purview of another jurisdiction (ie the campus was located in State College and under the authority of the State College Police), then yes, the campus cops would be rent-a-cops. That, however, is not the case - the campus cops are the local authorities. So don't say Joe Paterno didn't go to the cops when he went to the head of the University Park police. Schulz, one of the guys who perjured himself and covered this whole affair up, was the Chief of Police and had the same power and authority over the University Park Police as Ray Kelly has over the NYPD. And no, there was nothing the burrow police could do, as they lacked the proper jurisdictional right to govern this situation.

For the record, it sounds like you aren't familiar with the Child Protective Services Act. I would highly suggest you read up on 23 PA C.S.A. 6311 and then revisit this.

11/11/11

djfiii, agreed.

This was an institutional thing - not just on Paterno, but everyone who knew about it in the administration at Penn State. It's a cover up akin to what happened with the Catholic Church.

1994: a complaint is filed against Sandusky by a victim's parents; Sandusky tries to contact victim's parents before his grand jury hearing

1998: Penn State University Police opens an investigation after receiving a complaint from another victim's mother

1998: The PA Dept of Welfare interviews Sandusky. The District Attorney investigating allegations into Sandusky's behavior decides not to press charges, but then disappears without a trace shortly thereafter (car was found abandoned, hard drive from his computer was stripped out and found in a river, damaged an unrecoverable).

1999: Paterno tells Sandusky he won't inherit the head coaching job. Sandusky retires, but is then given full access to university facilities.

2000: A janitor witnesses Sandusky raping a child in the Penn State showers. He reports to his boss, but the police are never called.

2002: McQueary witnesses Sandusky raping a child in the Penn State showers. He reports it to Paterno the next day. Paterno reports the incident to Curley and Schultz. Within the same month, Sandusky is banned from bringing children on campus.

2008: officials at Clinton County High School (where Sandusky served as a football coach) alerted law enforcement authorities after speaking with a victim's mother.

2009: attorney general opens an investigation into Sandusky

2010: Sandusky is booted out of the charity where he sourced his victims - The Second Mile

Nov 2011: Sandusky is charged with 40 counts of sexual abuse of children.

And this doesn't go into all the other new info that has since surfaced in the last few days. If you look at just this timeline -- it is clear that Joe Paterno didn't just have ONE chance, but MANY chances to deal with Sandusky. While Paterno doesn't seem to have done anything illegal by the letter of the PA law, he should've done more. He did the minimum, and because he was the most powerful man at Penn State - he set the example for everyone else. If JoePa suspected (or even knew) what was going on and didn't make much of it, then everyone else in the university follows suit. Remember that JoePa isn't just another "employee" but is seen as the leader, the keystone of the university. He sets the example. And when Sandusky sees that no one around him is really doing much (or maybe even being protected by JoePa from doing anything to him), he will continue to do what he did because he knew he could get away with it. It took a high school to report Sandusky to the police before he was finally stopped.

11/13/11

Those rioting PSU dipshits just did the impossible--they made the OWS crust punks look like Einstein.

11/13/11

This video by ESPN's Jon Ritchie I think really explains what most big10 or Penn State folk are going through. Everyone wants to say "oh I would kick him in the face and kill him right then and there". But the truth of the matter is, it is a lot easier to say than do. Judging the entire population of Penn State without understanding how difficult of a situation they are in is a bit tasteless.

That all said, Ritchie does end with that after the initial shocks something should have been done.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:7219531