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southernstunna
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Just some quick background information:

I'm a senior at a large SEC school and I will be graduating in July with a degree in accounting. My school is ranked in the top 15 for accounting but I failed to understand the importance of networking so I did not get any big 4 offers (and my gpa is slightly low, a 3.4). I did an internship at a fortune 100 food producer in accounting, which is the extent of my work experience.

I've been cold-emailing investment banks and I'm getting nothing. Even accounting firms are saying no to me? I don't get it.

My new plan is to go to Officer Candidate School (OCS) for either the Navy or the Army and then serve my 3 years. Subsequent to this, I am planning on taking the GMAT (I should get around a 700-730 as I test very well) and then applying to business schools for an MBA in hopes that my MBA will allow me to break into IB.

Is this my best bet at this point in my life? I feel like entering the military is kind of a waste of my intelligence (no offense to any of those in the service), but I seem to have no other options at this point.

Thanks for any replies.

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kjl's picture

So why are you going to the

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So why are you going to the military? It's not apparent from your post, other than passing the time for the next 3 years.

Without a solid reason, it's hard to say whether it's your best bet. You may not be able to break into IB at this point, but I'm sure there are regional accounting firms that would be open. Not sure if that's the way you'd want to go.

While you may not be crunching numbers, hopefully there are other ways the military could help you exercise "critical thinking." The military is also a good way to learn discipline and perhaps management if you do become an officer. B-schools are definitely open to military vets. In fact, one of my classmates was in the Navy on the bomb squad, while the other flew Apache helicopters. Both turned out to be pretty intelligent and good leaders.

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southernstunna's picture

The military will provide my

southernstunna
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 on 4/8/10 at 2:13pm

The military will provide my resume with the leadership (which it currently lacks) that it takes to get into a top MBA program. I don't feel like 3 years as an auditor at a public accounting firm will be enough "solid" work experience to get me into a top 15 business school.

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Convert Your Bond's picture

Does military count as work

Convert Your Bond
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Does military count as work experience for MBA's though? As in wouldn't they expect military as well as another job function?

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kjl's picture

I did 3-4 years at a Big 4,

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 on 4/8/10 at 2:39pm

I did 3-4 years at a Big 4, got into a top 15-20 school and got a ton of cash to go.

Military does count. Many of my classmates had done nothing but military prior to going back to school.

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Edmundo Braverman's picture

Dude. Your Plan B includes

Edmundo Braverman
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Dude.

Your Plan B includes potentially getting your ass shot off.

Think it through.

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GutShot's picture

don't do military for IB

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don't do military for IB recruiting, not the right mindset

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ideating's picture

You got a 3.4 in Accounting

ideating
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 on 4/8/10 at 3:25pm

You got a 3.4 in Accounting at a big SEC school. The issue isn't your "leadership".

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Edmundo Braverman's picture

^^^LOL. Cruel, but funny.

Edmundo Braverman
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^^^LOL. Cruel, but funny.

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southernstunna's picture

From all the statistics I

southernstunna
      O
 
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 on 4/8/10 at 5:16pm

From all the statistics I have seen a 3.4 is a pretty average GPA for most top b-schools. And accounting is very difficult here; I don't know anybody who has over a 3.8 or so. A 3.4 is obviously nothing to write home about, but it isn't terrible either.

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Easy E's picture

southernstunna wrote: I

Easy E
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 on 4/8/10 at 6:07pm
southernstunna:

I feel like entering the military is kind of a waste of my intelligence (no offense to any of those in the service)

You are such an ignorant ass. You think being an accounting monkey is so much more intellectually challenging than being a military officer, someone who has to make life and death decisions at the snap of a finger with imperfect information and then convince his soldiers to risk their lives for him?

Do everyone a favor and stay out of the military...you wouldn't cut it anyway.

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zer0zero's picture

3.4 avg GPA sure, but those

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 on 4/8/10 at 6:16pm

3.4 avg GPA sure, but those are 3.4 from schools much more rigorous than SEC schools

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MessedUp's picture

I had a similar mindset when

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 on 4/8/10 at 6:20pm

I had a similar mindset when graduating college with no good jobs lined up (minus the wasting my intelligence thing, plenty of intelligent people in the military). When I realized all I was doing it for was to boost my resume I decided it wasn't the right choice. Granted now I'm working a dead end job (less than stellar work experience, glorified data entry) with no shot at a top 25 B-School...

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kop's picture

My god you want to join the

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My god you want to join the military in order to break into IB? Are you retarded? IB is not the end all be all and is certainly not worth the risk of being capped full of lead.

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Very interesting, so if you

southernstunna
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 on 4/8/10 at 6:42pm

Very interesting, so if you could go back and do it all again would you join the military?

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blastoise's picture

OP have you ever thought

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 on 4/8/10 at 6:52pm

OP have you ever thought about suicide?

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Your real issue is that you

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Easy E wrote: southernstunna

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southernstunna's picture

Actually I would go into

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http://talk.collegeconfidenti

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Sounds good on paper, but

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Stringer Bell's picture

Go to grad school. Do not

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balbasur wrote: OP have you

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southernstunna wrote: Just

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lehmanBROther

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balbasur

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ke18sb's picture

This has to be the WORST

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Do the office cadet school,

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In all seriousness, did you

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Affirmative_Action_Walrus

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I don't understand why

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Kanon's picture

Yeah seriously, don't go

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HF's picture

Do you Gmat now, get a job

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ideating wrote: You got a 3.4

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balbasur

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I think the millitary takes

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MSc. in finance will get you

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Pretty awesome military quote

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Join the military if you have

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Dr Barnaby Fulton

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Man don't join the military

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I just play to win...

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balbausur...

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"Climbing a mountain that's only getting steeper"
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Lets say you go to officer

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Excellent question, and one I

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Whatever you do dont kill

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cheese86 wrote: Easy E:

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I will just tell you this, it

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What kind of format are you

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Xango wrote: southernstunna

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westfald wrote: Xango

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