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Heard on the radio that Obama has been throwing around the slogan "Yes We Did" since BP supposedly found a fix for containing the oil (of course in reference to his campaign's "Yes We Can"). So...

Before BP fix: BP must pay all costs, countless speeches pressuring BP to find fix (BP it's your responsibility)
After BP fix: "Yes We Did" (everyone the government and I saved the world!)

Am I missing something?

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Comments (78)

  • British_Psycho's picture

    What a douche bag

    This is what happens with popularist voting and slogans

  • coffeebateman's picture

    I hate that son of a bitch.

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  • PaperTrail's picture

    Pat Riley, the Cubans, and all of South Beach have been saying the same thing in regards to their new trio in town. I think Obama's just trying to get in on the action since he fucked up at recruiting LBJ to Chi city.

  • CaptK's picture

    If that's true, it's just another straw in the haystack of hypocrisy and populist rhetoric he's been slinging around since day 1 of the presidential campaign. What scares me even more is that America seems endlessly willing to gobble as much bullshit has be can shill.

    - Capt K -
    "Prestige is like a powerful magnet that warps even your beliefs about what you enjoy. If you want to make ambitious people waste their time on errands, bait the hook with prestige." - Paul Graham

  • TNA's picture

    Obama literally amazes me. Now I was not naturally against this guy. I support health care REFORM (not socialization), but he is just acting stupid now. Now I think this radio ad is not directly sponsored by him since everything I have read says that the cap is not on until this coming week. If this is sponsored by Obama then he is a fool. People in the gulf think he is doing a shit job and now he is taking credit like some victor.

    I just read that the 1st oil drilling platform has left the gulf. I am going to assume that this is just the beginning. Each platform employs about 100 people and then you have to factor in the support community. Way to go Obama. The Fed is preparing to fight the fact that their ban was overturned by the courts. Nothing like kicking the gulf in the balls again. I completely support green initiatives, but the reality is we will be an oil base society for the near future. I would rather have us drilling for US oil than becoming more dependent on the Middle East.

    I didn't hate Bill Clinton like this and he was pretty liberal. I dislike Hillary, but nothing like Obama. I just really think this guy doesn't have a clue.

  • HoboBanker's picture

    I never really liked Obama (pure rhetoric BS and nothing more) but the more I see him, hear him, and read about him the more I dispise him.

    Addition to thread: What do you guys think? Do you think there is a weak or strong chance that he will get a second presidency?

  • noonies's picture

    ahahahah what a tool..in the words of Gordon Gekkko, "this turkey is completely brain-dead"

  • Cmoss's picture

    I'd like to thank the uneducated voters for allowing us the opportunity to watch a clown run this nation...

  • moranges's picture

    No surprise coming from the guy who "represents his fellow common man". Well shucks, when a nation has a "common man" with a multimillion dollar net worth, sign me up.

    "Despite a voluminous and often fervent literature on 'income distribution', the cold fact is that most income is not distributed: it is earned."
    -Thomas Sowell

  • In reply to Cmoss
    Independent Gestion's picture

    Cmoss:
    I'd like to thank the uneducated voters for allowing us the opportunity to watch a clown run this nation...

    Unfortunately, as much as I'm troubled by "populist" and big government rhetoric of the Obama government, saying "uneducated voters" elected him is pretty fucking ridiculous. I'd dare say educated people; academics, average white collar workers etc. are much more likely to be in favor of this kind of BS.

    "Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."

  • In reply to Independent Gestion
    Cmoss's picture

    Independent Gestion:
    Cmoss:
    I'd like to thank the uneducated voters for allowing us the opportunity to watch a clown run this nation...

    Unfortunately, as much as I'm troubled by "populist" and big government rhetoric of the Obama government, saying "uneducated voters" elected him is pretty fucking ridiculous. I'd dare say educated people; academics, average white collar workers etc. are much more likely to be in favor of this kind of BS.

    "Voters ages 18 to 29 favored Obama over Republican opponent John McCain by double-digit figures, 66 percent to 32 percent, according to national exit polls studied by a group that tracks youth voting. Other age groups had an 8-percentage-point difference, at most, between the two candidates.

    Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/arti..."

    According to exit polls, over 95% of African Americans voted for Barack Obama.

    Thats not to say African Americans arent uneducated but the hood is saying WE CAN

  • In reply to TNA
    cphbravo96's picture

    AnthonyD1982:
    ... this guy doesn't have a clue.

    That sums it up better than anything else I have read. My dad and I often talk about this jack-hole and the bottom line is we always come back to one single phrase..."this guy just doesn't have a clue."

    He has no idea what is really going on. Middle America is pissed off, hence the Tea Party movement. Does this concern him...no, not at all, in fact, he actually ridicules and slanders them.

    What an idiot.

    Regards

    "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
    - Ronald Reagan

  • toobig2fail's picture

    I mean common guys u shuld all know that Master Obama just needed to snap his fingers... of course he waited this long to vilify bp.....dick

  • In reply to Cmoss
    Independent Gestion's picture

    Cmoss:
    Independent Gestion:
    Cmoss:
    I'd like to thank the uneducated voters for allowing us the opportunity to watch a clown run this nation...

    Unfortunately, as much as I'm troubled by "populist" and big government rhetoric of the Obama government, saying "uneducated voters" elected him is pretty fucking ridiculous. I'd dare say educated people; academics, average white collar workers etc. are much more likely to be in favor of this kind of BS.

    "Voters ages 18 to 29 favored Obama over Republican opponent John McCain by double-digit figures, 66 percent to 32 percent, according to national exit polls studied by a group that tracks youth voting. Other age groups had an 8-percentage-point difference, at most, between the two candidates.

    Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/arti..."

    According to exit polls, over 95% of African Americans voted for Barack Obama.

    Thats not to say African Americans arent uneducated but the hood is saying WE CAN

    Wow, I know this is the internet and you obviously would never imagine that... shocker... black people might be interested in a wall street forum of all things. But we are here, and calling black peoples' voting a sign of "being uneducated" or even referring to them as " the hood" is the kind of shocking garbage that gives me a sick knot at the pit of my stomach when I call myself a conservative.

    And by the way, the 18 to 29 year old demographic is one of the most educated in our spectrum, many being current students or recent graduates.

    I'm not a Democrat and I don't support Obama one little bit, but rhetoric about "black folk and younguns' " getting him elected is some Palin-style bullshit that just keeps the GOP a fractured mess.

    "Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."

  • In reply to Independent Gestion
    Brady4MVP's picture

    Independent Gestion:
    Cmoss:
    Independent Gestion:
    Cmoss:
    I'd like to thank the uneducated voters for allowing us the opportunity to watch a clown run this nation...

    Unfortunately, as much as I'm troubled by "populist" and big government rhetoric of the Obama government, saying "uneducated voters" elected him is pretty fucking ridiculous. I'd dare say educated people; academics, average white collar workers etc. are much more likely to be in favor of this kind of BS.

    "Voters ages 18 to 29 favored Obama over Republican opponent John McCain by double-digit figures, 66 percent to 32 percent, according to national exit polls studied by a group that tracks youth voting. Other age groups had an 8-percentage-point difference, at most, between the two candidates.

    Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/arti..."

    According to exit polls, over 95% of African Americans voted for Barack Obama.

    Thats not to say African Americans arent uneducated but the hood is saying WE CAN

    Wow, I know this is the internet and you obviously would never imagine that... shocker... black people might be interested in a wall street forum of all things. But we are here, and calling black peoples' voting a sign of "being uneducated" or even referring to them as " the hood" is the kind of shocking garbage that gives me a sick knot at the pit of my stomach when I call myself a conservative.

    And by the way, the 18 to 29 year old demographic is one of the most educated in our spectrum, many being current students or recent graduates.

    I'm not a Democrat and I don't support Obama one little bit, but rhetoric about "black folk and younguns' " getting him elected is some Palin-style bullshit that just keeps the GOP a fractured mess.

    I'm against the inflammatory language used in some of these posts, but the fact of the matter is, 95% of blacks voted for Obama. And I've talked to many blacks who told me bluntly that they only voted for him because he's black. Now imagine if 95% of whites voted for a white candidate; you better believe that every media outlet would talk incessantly about white racism and how "backwards" we are as a country.

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  • Nobama88's picture

    ^^^^^^^^^^

    Agreed.

  • In reply to Independent Gestion
    cphbravo96's picture

    Independent Gestion:
    And by the way, the 18 to 29 year old demographic is one of the most educated in our spectrum, many being current students or recent graduates.

    I'm not a Democrat and I don't support Obama one little bit, but rhetoric about "black folk and younguns' " getting him elected is some Palin-style bullshit that just keeps the GOP a fractured mess.

    When you say "our spectrum" are you referring to blacks? Just not sure if I am 100% following you.

    Additionally, its hard to bring up race in a good way because any sort of subscription to any stereotype often labels you a 'racist.'

    Obama was going to get elected no matter what, he was the antithesis of Bush after all, but the poll turnout for blacks was unprecedented and in many's people view, mind included, not a good thing. This isn't because I don't think black people should vote, but because I don't think uneducated people should vote and in this election you had a large number of uneducated blacks coming out to vote for Obama simply because of his skin color (which is biased in its own right). Obama has NO business in the Oval Office. He is an ass-hat, at best. He is not a leader and has no executive experience.

    The fact that the mainstream media ignored this and instead promoted his unachievable propaganda which just exacerbated the situation. I am sure everyone remembers the interview with the black woman who said "I won't have to worry about putting gas in my car. I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage" and while this may not be a good representation of all black people in this country, it is certainly an underlying sentiment amongst a large portion of the black population and most likely a majority view amongst the less educated portion.

    I have buddies in law enforcement that have told me about dozens of encounters with black suspects/criminals who would tell my buddies that they couldn't arrest them anymore because the president is black, that Obama would get them out of jail, that the tables have turned and now whites will be slaves, etc, etc, etc...

    Sadly, whether right or wrong, these are the folks that become the poster children for the black community.

    Regards

    "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
    - Ronald Reagan

  • Nobama88's picture
  • In reply to moranges
    Alan Greenberg's picture

    Good point

    When a "common man" represents the people, all the country gets is common BS..........Ralph Nader for President 2012

    Also, I would argue G.Dubyah Bush is far below the common man's intelligence and he is well worth more than a million -> but that's cause Daddy led the way

  • TNA's picture

    Any time you bring up race someone will get sand in their vagina. Plain fact.

  • Putz's picture

    Minna-no-to (Everyone's/Your party) in Japan just jumped from 1 seat to 11 over the weekend election on a purely libertarian, free market, small government platform. Also check out Poland's recent election. U.S. is blindly going down a path opposite of the world.

  • In reply to Brady4MVP
    EngPhD's picture

    jjc1122:
    Independent Gestion:
    Cmoss:
    Independent Gestion:
    Cmoss:
    I'd like to thank the uneducated voters for allowing us the opportunity to watch a clown run this nation...

    Unfortunately, as much as I'm troubled by "populist" and big government rhetoric of the Obama government, saying "uneducated voters" elected him is pretty fucking ridiculous. I'd dare say educated people; academics, average white collar workers etc. are much more likely to be in favor of this kind of BS.

    "Voters ages 18 to 29 favored Obama over Republican opponent John McCain by double-digit figures, 66 percent to 32 percent, according to national exit polls studied by a group that tracks youth voting. Other age groups had an 8-percentage-point difference, at most, between the two candidates.

    Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/arti..."

    According to exit polls, over 95% of African Americans voted for Barack Obama.

    Thats not to say African Americans arent uneducated but the hood is saying WE CAN

    Wow, I know this is the internet and you obviously would never imagine that... shocker... black people might be interested in a wall street forum of all things. But we are here, and calling black peoples' voting a sign of "being uneducated" or even referring to them as " the hood" is the kind of shocking garbage that gives me a sick knot at the pit of my stomach when I call myself a conservative.

    And by the way, the 18 to 29 year old demographic is one of the most educated in our spectrum, many being current students or recent graduates.

    I'm not a Democrat and I don't support Obama one little bit, but rhetoric about "black folk and younguns' " getting him elected is some Palin-style bullshit that just keeps the GOP a fractured mess.

    I'm against the inflammatory language used in some of these posts, but the fact of the matter is, 95% of blacks voted for Obama. And I've talked to many blacks who told me bluntly that they only voted for him because he's black. Now imagine if 95% of whites voted for a white candidate; you better believe that every media outlet would talk incessantly about white racism and how "backwards" we are as a country.

    Please remember that whiter-than-white Al Gore and John Kerry won 90% and 88% of the Black vote, respectively. Given that those two only won 48% of the overall vote and Obama won 53%, the 95% Black vote in 2008 does not seem so outlandish. Granted, African-Americans turnout was greatly increased, but this is an indicator of excitement, not preference.

  • In reply to Alan Greenberg
    LIBOR's picture

    Alan Greenberg:
    Good point

    When a "common man" represents the people, all the country gets is common BS..........Ralph Nader for President 2012

    Also, I would argue G.Dubyah Bush is far below the common man's intelligence and he is well worth more than a million -> but that's cause Daddy led the way

    I'm sorry, but this particular post is absolutely absurd.

    First, you assert that the President is a common man. I'm sure its quite UNcommon to be president of the Harvard Law Review. This is a tremendous accomplishment for any individual, and upon achieving this feat, I would no longer consider this person to be 'common'.

    You then claim that Bush is far below the common man's intelligence, and that he has only got to where he is because of his father. First off, your father can't get you into HBS. The man must have some intelligence Second, this completely negates your prior statement that Obama has led the country to shit because he is a common man. If you think that a common man can't run the country, you certainly must agree that a man born of privilege and whose father has groomed him well would certainly be able to. Unless of course you don't think any individual is qualified to run this country.

    That brings me to my third point... the meat in this sandwich of absurdity is the fact that you then encourage us to vote for Ralph Nader.

  • TNA's picture

    The common man should not be running the country. On the flip side having someone who is absolutely out of touch with how the world runs is bad also. There has to be a happy medium. Obama is obviously very intelligent, but that dude has no clue outside of his little bubble.

    Israel is uneasy with him because of his middle eastern middle name. Ummm, how about the fact that Obama carried the Jewish vote, but has be one of the most apathetic Presidents towards Israel. Your name means Jack shit.

    Oil keep spilling into the gulf and Obama is golfing YET again. I know it isn't his fault, but he should try and hide the fact that he is living it up while the rest of the country suffers. Bush gave up golf out of respect to the troops, Obama should do it out of respect to the gulf.

    Stop using the rich as scape goats. Stop h bashing wall street. Especially considering the sizable donations both gave Obamas campaign.

  • Brodhisattva's picture

    The killing that this man will make in the private sector once he is ousted in 2012 will be sickening

    YES
    HE
    WILL
    be swimming in cash and talking about his "heroic winds of change"
    while ignoring the decades of ruin cast unto our fortunes

    To say that Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin in 2008 were the 4 most qualified individuals to contest for the White House should be absolutely frightening to any American that values the fortune of this nation.

  • In reply to EngPhD
    cphbravo96's picture

    EngPhD:
    jjc1122:
    Independent Gestion:
    Cmoss:
    Independent Gestion:
    Cmoss:
    I'd like to thank the uneducated voters for allowing us the opportunity to watch a clown run this nation...

    Unfortunately, as much as I'm troubled by "populist" and big government rhetoric of the Obama government, saying "uneducated voters" elected him is pretty fucking ridiculous. I'd dare say educated people; academics, average white collar workers etc. are much more likely to be in favor of this kind of BS.

    "Voters ages 18 to 29 favored Obama over Republican opponent John McCain by double-digit figures, 66 percent to 32 percent, according to national exit polls studied by a group that tracks youth voting. Other age groups had an 8-percentage-point difference, at most, between the two candidates.

    Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/arti..."

    According to exit polls, over 95% of African Americans voted for Barack Obama.

    Thats not to say African Americans arent uneducated but the hood is saying WE CAN

    Wow, I know this is the internet and you obviously would never imagine that... shocker... black people might be interested in a wall street forum of all things. But we are here, and calling black peoples' voting a sign of "being uneducated" or even referring to them as " the hood" is the kind of shocking garbage that gives me a sick knot at the pit of my stomach when I call myself a conservative.

    And by the way, the 18 to 29 year old demographic is one of the most educated in our spectrum, many being current students or recent graduates.

    I'm not a Democrat and I don't support Obama one little bit, but rhetoric about "black folk and younguns' " getting him elected is some Palin-style bullshit that just keeps the GOP a fractured mess.

    I'm against the inflammatory language used in some of these posts, but the fact of the matter is, 95% of blacks voted for Obama. And I've talked to many blacks who told me bluntly that they only voted for him because he's black. Now imagine if 95% of whites voted for a white candidate; you better believe that every media outlet would talk incessantly about white racism and how "backwards" we are as a country.

    Please remember that whiter-than-white Al Gore and John Kerry won 90% and 88% of the Black vote, respectively. Given that those two only won 48% of the overall vote and Obama won 53%, the 95% Black vote in 2008 does not seem so outlandish. Granted, African-Americans turnout was greatly increased, but this is an indicator of excitement, not preference.

    Maybe the raw numbers don't appear that outlandish, but if you were to factor in experience, qualifications and ability...well, the lack thereof...they certainly do.

    Regards

    "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
    - Ronald Reagan

  • In reply to Alan Greenberg
    cphbravo96's picture

    Alan Greenberg:
    Good point

    When a "common man" represents the people, all the country gets is common BS..........Ralph Nader for President 2012

    Also, I would argue G.Dubyah Bush is far below the common man's intelligence and he is well worth more than a million -> but that's cause Daddy led the way

    Please feel free to provide some sort of realistic evidence that proves Bush was some sort of ignoramus. I hear it all the time, but other then his lack of public speaking abilities, there is not much else. In fact, I have heard/read that many people who know him and worked/advised him say exactly the opposite.

    Please come back when you have something of value to add.

    We don't need a "common man" in the White House, we need someone with common values...someone that understands what problems and issues middle America faces and wants to address them. This of course, should go hand-and-hand with a sense of national pride and admiration for the troops/individuals that allow us to be free. He should also have a decent handle on economic concepts and actually care about this country and its future more then himself/his own.

    Not every joker (read: common man) off the street even possesses 10% of what would be needed to run this country, much less a decent size company. The country is being run by someone who attended two of the very best schools this country has to offer and look at the world-of-hurt the future of America is in for. He is supposed to be some super intellectual with great public speaking abilities (a far cry from the common man) and he can't even figure out that he should cancel his round of golf and attend to the environmental disaster occurring off-shore.

    Regards

    "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
    - Ronald Reagan

  • TNA's picture

    Let me add this. Bush might have started 2 wars, but I honestly think Bush feels very deeply for every soldier killed. Maybe I am a fool, but I have no problem with a President sending people into harms way as long as they understand and feel the pain that is being inflicted.

    I do not think Obama gives a flying shit about the people dying in Afghanistan. I don't think he could even carry on a conversation with a guy who has lost his legs serving this nation. Obama is the boy in a bubble and has surrounded himself with people who will keep him in that bubble. People called Bush a puppet, but Obama has that title now.

    So many intelligent and experienced minorities to pick to run for President and we get this tool. How about Powell. The man has standards and is a decorated veteran. He didn't like the way Bush was doing things so he stepped down. That shows more sack than any of these politicians we have currently.

    I am so glad to know that as long as someone speaks exceptionally well and talks about a mysterious word he can be elected. I am still waiting to see this change I have been hearing about. Just shows how gullible and lemming like the majority of people in this country can be.

    Change my ass. Rammed through Health Care which is still incredibly controversial in this country. Pardon me, but I don't want the government running anything else. The post office is the best run arm of the government and thats because it is only a quasi arm and it has stiff competition. Everything else is a cluster fuck. Could someone please name something the government runs that is not full of cost overruns and inefficiencies.

    We think insurance companies are evil. I guess you have never had a run in with the IRS. Oh, thats right, the people who love the government taking care of them are the ones who don't pay taxes. Thanks losers for drowning the man saving you some more. Puke.

    Stopping Dont as Dont tell. Wow. Holy Shit. Keep your sexuality to yourself. I cannot believe how hard that is.

    Thanks Obama. The military, whose job it is to defend this nation and die if necessary has now become your own social soap box. I guess being gay in 2010 means shoving your sex life down the throat of every single person. I think a man and a woman dry humping in public is classless. Same goes for gay people. I am happy you are gay, now go be gay in your house, we don't need raw sex in public places. Wait until we elect Caligula and then you can do what you want.

    I remember growing up and developing a thick skin. Kids who couldn't grow a thick skin were called pussies. Welcome to 2010 people, a nation being ruled by little pussies.

  • In reply to cphbravo96
    LIBOR's picture

    cphbravo96:
    Alan Greenberg:
    Good point

    When a "common man" represents the people, all the country gets is common BS..........Ralph Nader for President 2012

    Also, I would argue G.Dubyah Bush is far below the common man's intelligence and he is well worth more than a million -> but that's cause Daddy led the way

    Please feel free to provide some sort of realistic evidence that proves Bush was some sort of ignoramus. I hear it all the time, but other then his lack of public speaking abilities, there is not much else. In fact, I have heard/read that many people who know him and worked/advised him say exactly the opposite.

    Please come back when you have something of value to add.

    We don't need a "common man" in the White House, we need someone with common values...someone that understands what problems and issues middle America faces and wants to address them. This of course, should go hand-and-hand with a sense of national pride and admiration for the troops/individuals that allow us to be free. He should also have a decent handle on economic concepts and actually care about this country and its future more then himself/his own.

    Not every joker (read: common man) off the street even possesses 10% of what would be needed to run this country, much less a decent size company. The country is being run by someone who attended two of the very best schools this country has to offer and look at the world-of-hurt the future of America is in for. He is supposed to be some super intellectual with great public speaking abilities (a far cry from the common man) and he can't even figure out that he should cancel his round of golf and attend to the environmental disaster occurring off-shore.

    Regards

    I totally agree with this. I read a book last winter called In The President's Secret Service. The book mentioned that Secret Service agents were stunned by Bush, since he was so intelligent off the camera, but that the moment he got up behind the podium he just froze.
    http://www.amazon.com/Presidents-Secret-Service-Be...

    Its a great read for anyone who enjoys learning more about the private lives of presidents (as well as the inner workings of the Secret Service).

  • BigBucks's picture

    Haha, the emotional, and childish drivel I have seen posted in this topic looks like something off a yahoo blog. You know, the one where the masses argue back and forth, screaming generalities that say nothing. Black people always vote democrat, Obama might have gotten a small bump but not enough to win him that campaign. Sarah Palin lost McCain that campaign, no doubt about it. If any educated person can vote for a candidate with that woman as the candidate's running mate, I have to question your education, Harvard or CC. She is an embarrassment to the GOP, and the fact she got as far as a VP slot is a statement to how misguided that party truly is. Anyway, I think we should give the guy more than two years to unravel the mess handed to him by the GOP, and dubya. All the while he is trying to be partisan with a bunch of kids (the GOP) that will never respect him, will never negotiate with him, and will never agree with him, even if its something THEY suggested.... and that is ridiculous to say the least.

  • In reply to BigBucks
    LIBOR's picture

    BigBucks:
    Haha, the emotional, and childish drivel I have seen posted in this topic looks like something off a yahoo blog. You know, the one where the masses argue back and forth, screaming generalities that say nothing. Black people always vote democrat, Obama might have gotten a small bump but not enough to win him that campaign. Sarah Palin lost McCain that campaign, no doubt about it. If any educated person can vote for a candidate with that woman as the candidate's running mate, I have to question your education, Harvard or CC. She is an embarrassment to the GOP, and the fact she got as far as a VP slot is a statement to how misguided that party truly is. Anyway, I think we should give the guy more than two years to unravel the mess handed to him by the GOP, and dubya. All the while he is trying to be partisan with a bunch of kids (the GOP) that will never respect him, will never negotiate with him, and will never agree with him, even if its something THEY suggested.... and that is ridiculous to say the least.

    I agree with you on Palin. She is an idiot. Perhaps this is the type of GOP you are talking about:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487035...

  • In reply to BigBucks
    TNA's picture

    BigBucks:
    Haha, the emotional, and childish drivel I have seen posted in this topic looks like something off a yahoo blog. You know, the one where the masses argue back and forth, screaming generalities that say nothing. Black people always vote democrat, Obama might have gotten a small bump but not enough to win him that campaign. Sarah Palin lost McCain that campaign, no doubt about it. If any educated person can vote for a candidate with that woman as the candidate's running mate, I have to question your education, Harvard or CC. She is an embarrassment to the GOP, and the fact she got as far as a VP slot is a statement to how misguided that party truly is. Anyway, I think we should give the guy more than two years to unravel the mess handed to him by the GOP, and dubya. All the while he is trying to be partisan with a bunch of kids (the GOP) that will never respect him, will never negotiate with him, and will never agree with him, even if its something THEY suggested.... and that is ridiculous to say the least.

    Dems controlled congress for a good portion of Bush's 2nd term so they share in the blame. The GOP went for a woman to balance out the Dems pushing an unqualified black candidate. I don't think they should of done it, but having two old white guys was a sure way to lose. Blacks predominately vote dem, but not like the out pouring for this election. The fact that they overwhelmingly voted for someone who is a rookie at best shows me that race is a bigger issue than being experienced. The fact that blacks still overwhelmingly support Obama while the rest of the country has normalized in their support tells me they are still supporting him because of his race.

    Obama has been hostile to the Republicans and you know what, thank god they have been fighting back. I am sorry, but Obama is a Dem on steroids. You know what, I nail Obama to the cross a lot more than previous presidents and you know why. When you over promise and under deliver you should expect to be highly criticized. He sold the people on he being the answer to everything and has proven to be pretty sub par.

  • BigBucks's picture

    What president doesn't sell people on being the answer to everything, the only difference is his oratory ability is the best we have seen in a while. Hostile?... my friend you are delusional on that statement. I have not seen such hostility and immaturity from a political party like the republicans in these two years Obama has been president in my whole, short life. Disagreeing is one thing, but the GOP does not even have solutions, and if they do they're not suggesting it. They would rather play politics and hope to steal enough seats in 2010 to stalemate Obama towards any progress all the way till 2012. Maybe then Palin will get on the ballot based on her "guns" and "mama grizzlies" platform.

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    cphbravo96's picture

    BigBucks:
    What president doesn't sell people on being the answer to everything, the only difference is his oratory ability is the best we have seen in a while. Hostile?... my friend you are delusional on that statement. I have not seen such hostility and immaturity from a political party like the republicans in these two years Obama has been president in my whole, short life. Disagreeing is one thing, but the GOP does not even have solutions, and if they do they're not suggesting it. They would rather play politics and hope to steal enough seats in 2010 to stalemate Obama towards any progress all the way till 2012. Maybe then Palin will get on the ballot based on her "guns" and "mama grizzlies" platform.

    You guys just keep crawling out of the wood work. It's a shame.

    It's not like things are getting a little better it just needs to be given more time...the damn country is unraveling and Obama is doing the unwinding. The republicans dragging their feet (if you can call it that) has nothing to do with them trying to be mean...that's what liberals, like yourself, can't comprehend. Life isn't about feelings, fairness and trophies-all-around. There are tough decisions to be made and someone is going to be on the losing end. Generally, when a Republican has a point of view/stance on an issue, they typically believe in it and they stand by it...it doesn't change as the wind blows, unlike Obama. This isn't a game of kickball...there are serious consequences for shitty decisions and I am thankful that the Republicans who are playing hardball.

    Obama, no doubt, walked into a mess...but basic economic reading could have, at the very least, slowed the fallout and maybe bandaged some of the wounds. He is so worried about converting the US to a welfare nation that he can't even take the time to focus on the things that are most important...like the war in the middle east and our own economy. Instead, he focuses on talk shows, interviews, golf outings, romps to NYC for dinner with the wife, NCAA brackets, friends birthday parties...meanwhile the unemployment numbers are in double digits and are only as low as they are because they are artificially deflated because so many people have just stopped looking for work.

    I'm not claiming to be a genius on the topic, but it certainly doesn't take one to see what his policies, and potential policies, are doing to this country via the economic repercussions. Businesses are sitting with record setting amounts of cash on their balance sheets!
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487043...

    Why? Well it isn't because they like to play Scrooge McDuck and swim around in it. It's because this simpleton sitting in office wants to focus on the healthcare overhaul and raising taxes for people drying out their skin in tanning beds. There has to be priorities and he doesn't seem to understand that. If they scrapped this whole healthcare issue for the time being, the economy would start to move. Businesses would spend money and start hiring people in an effort to gain market share, etc.

    Obama brings nothing but arrogance and uncertainty to the table. There hasn't been much "change" and what does exists isn't of the good variety. Obama wrote up a wish list of things the uneducated, lower class people wanted to hear and just feed it to all the sheep. There has been no positive change, there has been less transparency, the list goes on and on and on.

    The media and democratic party epitomized the word vitriol when it came to covering/speaking of Bush. It turns my stomach to think of how he was lambasted year after year and that it was somehow perceived as acceptable. It's speaks volumes of just how far the media has fallen in this country. If you can't see that then you must have sat next to Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles in reading class...if you can't admit it, well, then you are living in a state of self denial.

    If Palin was such a joke, how come the media spent hours everyday with her name falling out of their month. Why all the probes and investigatory stories, etc? Why would the media spend some much time covering someone so insignificant who only cares about "guns" and "mama grizzlies"? The saddest part is the media lampooned Palin day-in and day-out yet she is far more qualified to be in an executive position than Obama could hope to be.

    Good luck with this guy Anthony.

    Regards

    "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
    - Ronald Reagan

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    cphbravo96's picture

    AnthonyD1982:
    The post office is the best run arm of the government and thats because it is only a quasi arm and it has stiff competition. Everything else is a cluster fuck. Could someone please name something the government runs that is not full of cost overruns and inefficiencies.

    I hear the Presidential payroll is a smooth as butter, lol.

    Seriously though, the saddest part about your statement is its true...the Post Office is the best run arm of the government yet it still manages to lose billions of dollars every year.

    Only a government agency could service while running with so many inefficiencies.
    http://www.usps.com/communications/newsroom/2009/p...

    Regards

    "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
    - Ronald Reagan

  • TNA's picture

    I don't know. Whenever I respond I try and be calm and pretty even. I have mentioned many times who I didn't hate Obama right away. I have mentioned how I support reforming health care (just like Bush did), how I am a libertarian, how I support environmental issues, womens rights. I am by far some radical, right wing Republican. How come the Obama defenders coming onto these threads attack the GOP or make fun of Sarah Palin, yet never really support anything Obama has done.

    Lets get something straight. Palin is a politician. She is all about guns and drilling because she is pandering to her base. I love how people instantly pick on the fact that she went to a community college vs Obama's Ivy league education. Sad that people are so naive when you look at the fact that a large majority of Presidents and politicians have had rather modest educational backgrounds. Having an Ivy league education tends to be the luxury of the privileged.

    As far as political experience goes I think Palin and Obama are about par. She ran a state, he was a junior state rep. She was governor of one of the most oil rich states (or at least used to be) in the country. Obama went to great schools. People attack her personally all the time, but she seems like a fine lady to me. I loved how Hollywood was up in arms about Sarah being so close to the "nuclear button". Yeah, like those morons who make movies are such amazing judges of character.

    Hey Matt Damon, stick to what you know best, being a fucking movie character. I don't want you anywhere near a nuclear button also, tool.

    There is promising the world and running as if you are the second coming. Anyone on here read The Economist? It is pretty Euro centric, a good balance from the WSJ or Business Week I think most people will say. They have a couple articles about Obama. One basically sums up what we are saying in on the board about his base being blacks and young people. Second, how Obama is pandering to the Hispanic vote. Go read the articles from what I consider a solid source.

    Yes, Republicans are pretty hostile. Dems are not sunshine and buttercups either my friend. Welcome to Democracy. People fight, people argue, consensus is made. I am not defending everything Bush did, I am against the government getting bigger, I think the budget needs to be cut, I think taxes need to be reduced, etc. I am just sick and tired of hearing everything blamed on Bush. The dems controlled Congress for the last 2 years of Bush. They control it now. Stop blaming Bush.

    I think all politicians suck. The ones who suck less want the government to be smaller. I am sorry, but I didn't like my damn parents telling me what to do, I don't need Uncle Sam giving me orders. The USA is about freedom. For some reason people have forgotten this. All this nanny state bullshit is making us weaker.

    I think SSI is fine. Supporting older people is good for the economy. SS unfortunately is horribly administered.

    I think medical insurance for the very poor or very old is fine. It benefits us all having a generally healthy population. I think the program is run like shit.

    I support medical reform. I think if someone is laid off or looking to switch jobs it would be nice to pay a couple hundred bucks to the govt and have a medicaid + type of program. I think heath insurance should be private, but there should also be some regulation. I DO NOT think the government should be forcing people to be insured or trying to move towards socialized health care. I have read the bill and it is not a full take over, but it is a step in that direction. If not for the intense fighting the Republicans put up Obama would of pushed for making the USA just like Europe.

    I think Afghanistan is a shit hole. I think we should focus on controlling and building up the major cities. Let the outskirts be the outskirts. As business expands and the cities grow people will come from the country side. Look at China. Iraq is the real war. That country was civilized and has a semi functional democracy installed. The fact that we are ONCE AGAIN leaving that country half fixed is a travesty.

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    EngPhD's picture

    cphbravo96:
    AnthonyD1982:
    The post office is the best run arm of the government and thats because it is only a quasi arm and it has stiff competition. Everything else is a cluster fuck. Could someone please name something the government runs that is not full of cost overruns and inefficiencies.

    I hear the Presidential payroll is a smooth as butter, lol.

    Seriously though, the saddest part about your statement is its true...the Post Office is the best run arm of the government yet it still manages to lose billions of dollars every year.

    Only a government agency could service while running with so many inefficiencies.
    http://www.usps.com/communications/newsroom/2009/p...

    Regards

    Government-funded science has an annual rate of return of 20-60% based on several studies. Admittedly, the data are not the best.
    http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100609/full/465682...

  • Nobama88's picture

    Another fact people like to leave out.... Palin had an 85% approval rating in Alaska.

  • In reply to TNA
    eokpar02's picture

    AnthonyD1982:
    Let me add this. Bush might have started 2 wars, but I honestly think Bush feels very deeply for every soldier killed. Maybe I am a fool, but I have no problem with a President sending people into harms way as long as they understand and feel the pain that is being inflicted.

    I do not think Obama gives a flying shit about the people dying in Afghanistan. I don't think he could even carry on a conversation with a guy who has lost his legs serving this nation. Obama is the boy in a bubble and has surrounded himself with people who will keep him in that bubble. People called Bush a puppet, but Obama has that title now.

    So many intelligent and experienced minorities to pick to run for President and we get this tool. How about Powell. The man has standards and is a decorated veteran. He didn't like the way Bush was doing things so he stepped down. That shows more sack than any of these politicians we have currently.

    I am so glad to know that as long as someone speaks exceptionally well and talks about a mysterious word he can be elected. I am still waiting to see this change I have been hearing about. Just shows how gullible and lemming like the majority of people in this country can be.

    Change my ass. Rammed through Health Care which is still incredibly controversial in this country. Pardon me, but I don't want the government running anything else. The post office is the best run arm of the government and thats because it is only a quasi arm and it has stiff competition. Everything else is a cluster fuck. Could someone please name something the government runs that is not full of cost overruns and inefficiencies.

    We think insurance companies are evil. I guess you have never had a run in with the IRS. Oh, thats right, the people who love the government taking care of them are the ones who don't pay taxes. Thanks losers for drowning the man saving you some more. Puke.

    Stopping Dont as Dont tell. Wow. Holy Shit. Keep your sexuality to yourself. I cannot believe how hard that is.

    Thanks Obama. The military, whose job it is to defend this nation and die if necessary has now become your own social soap box. I guess being gay in 2010 means shoving your sex life down the throat of every single person. I think a man and a woman dry humping in public is classless. Same goes for gay people. I am happy you are gay, now go be gay in your house, we don't need raw sex in public places. Wait until we elect Caligula and then you can do what you want.

    I remember growing up and developing a thick skin. Kids who couldn't grow a thick skin were called pussies. Welcome to 2010 people, a nation being ruled by little pussies.

    Anthony, I usually like your posts but this one really bothered me. First and foremost, how in the world can you say that Bush cared for the American soldier or marine? Bush's actions directly lead to the untimely demise of at least 4500 of them. He sent them to a war zone without enough body armor: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-03-26...

    The lack of body armor was so pervasive that 80 percent of all marines killed by torso wounds could have survived had Bush sent them there with adequate body armor. This was after Congress literally gave him Carte Blanche to invade a country. A literal blank check.
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-03-26...

    Anthony, time after time, Bush showed severe nonchalance when talking about the deaths of American military personnel .

    I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
    -Styles P

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    Nobama88's picture

    eokpar02:

    Anthony, time after time, Bush showed severe nonchalance when talking about the deaths of American military personnel .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrBI-CaiSKM&feature...

    And this is not the only video. Do you think you would ever see Obama tear up like this? I dont think so. Bush did what he honestly believed was the right thing, not for oil or because he is the devil.

  • eokpar02's picture

    Nobama, you did not present an argument. I am not saying that my post was fitting of a pulitzer, but please, make an attempt to refute what I said.

    Do I think Obama would tear up? No, I don't think so. Obama has shown a propensity to coolness and thought over action that Bush never had.

    And Nobama88, I don't cry.

    I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
    -Styles P

  • Nobama88's picture

    I simply pointed out your statement of 'time after time bush showed severe nonchalance when talking about the deaths of american military personnel' was completely false. .

    I didnt think I needed to say anything else.

  • Barboone's picture

    November cant come soon enough so all this nonsense stops. Sick and tired of this democrat bullshit. The poor are poor for a reason, they don't hustle like we do! enough of my money gets taken away by uncle sam to feed the rats. Now i have to pay for their healthcare too... UGHHH I hate this socialist bullshit

    "The higher up the mountain, the more treacherous the path"
    -Frank Underwood

  • In reply to eokpar02
    cphbravo96's picture

    eokpar02:
    AnthonyD1982:
    Let me add this. Bush might have started 2 wars, but I honestly think Bush feels very deeply for every soldier killed. Maybe I am a fool, but I have no problem with a President sending people into harms way as long as they understand and feel the pain that is being inflicted.

    I do not think Obama gives a flying shit about the people dying in Afghanistan. I don't think he could even carry on a conversation with a guy who has lost his legs serving this nation. Obama is the boy in a bubble and has surrounded himself with people who will keep him in that bubble. People called Bush a puppet, but Obama has that title now.

    So many intelligent and experienced minorities to pick to run for President and we get this tool. How about Powell. The man has standards and is a decorated veteran. He didn't like the way Bush was doing things so he stepped down. That shows more sack than any of these politicians we have currently.

    I am so glad to know that as long as someone speaks exceptionally well and talks about a mysterious word he can be elected. I am still waiting to see this change I have been hearing about. Just shows how gullible and lemming like the majority of people in this country can be.

    Change my ass. Rammed through Health Care which is still incredibly controversial in this country. Pardon me, but I don't want the government running anything else. The post office is the best run arm of the government and thats because it is only a quasi arm and it has stiff competition. Everything else is a cluster fuck. Could someone please name something the government runs that is not full of cost overruns and inefficiencies.

    We think insurance companies are evil. I guess you have never had a run in with the IRS. Oh, thats right, the people who love the government taking care of them are the ones who don't pay taxes. Thanks losers for drowning the man saving you some more. Puke.

    Stopping Dont as Dont tell. Wow. Holy Shit. Keep your sexuality to yourself. I cannot believe how hard that is.

    Thanks Obama. The military, whose job it is to defend this nation and die if necessary has now become your own social soap box. I guess being gay in 2010 means shoving your sex life down the throat of every single person. I think a man and a woman dry humping in public is classless. Same goes for gay people. I am happy you are gay, now go be gay in your house, we don't need raw sex in public places. Wait until we elect Caligula and then you can do what you want.

    I remember growing up and developing a thick skin. Kids who couldn't grow a thick skin were called pussies. Welcome to 2010 people, a nation being ruled by little pussies.

    Anthony, I usually like your posts but this one really bothered me. First and foremost, how in the world can you say that Bush cared for the American soldier or marine? Bush's actions directly lead to the untimely demise of at least 4500 of them. He sent them to a war zone without enough body armor: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-03-26...

    The lack of body armor was so pervasive that 80 percent of all marines killed by torso wounds could have survived had Bush sent them there with adequate body armor. This was after Congress literally gave him Carte Blanche to invade a country. A literal blank check.
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-03-26...

    Anthony, time after time, Bush showed severe nonchalance when talking about the deaths of American military personnel .

    People like you drive me nuts. Do you remember 9/11? Was that Bush's fault too? Did he email the terrorist the plan he devised so he could get some Americans killed? You act like Bush was sitting around one day when some Col. came into the room and told him that we don't have enough body armor for every soldier and Bush demanded we go to war so that people could die. Bush retaliated for an unspeakable horror and should be commended. Bush actually kept this country safe following the events of 9/11 through actionable intelligence. Obama is too busy trying to squeeze him and his ego into the same golf cart to take action after potential terrorist attacks. The only reason there haven't been 2 additional (besides the recruiters office and the military installation), horrific attacks that took hundreds, possible thousands of lives is because the perpetrators were idiots. Twice lives were saved simply because of screw-ups. Sadly the Obama administration has the audacity to come out and say that the system worked?!?! Your system is to hope that a guy fucks up and lights his penis on fire and then gets wrestled to the ground by the adjacent airline passengers?!? What a field day the media would have had with this story had Bush been in office.

    This whole administration is inept...from the President and Vice President to the Press Secretary to the freaking Secretary of Homeland Security...who has less experience in the intelligence field then I did when I was 22 years old!! If this was 1872, P. T. Barnum would be charging everyone a nickel to see this side show in the tent we are calling the White House.

    You sound foolish and you only further provide evidence of this by even placing Obama's name in the same sentence with Bush when it comes to the deaths of soldiers. I was a solider and I can tell you that I felt rather reassured that if something would have gone south while I was in Iraq that the Bush administration would have done something about it...not some Black Hawk Down shit that Clinton had. I wouldn't even feel comfortable in the Army marching band with Obama "in charge". This jackhole has a F'n war going on and he can't even be bothered to meet with the commanding general...what does that tell you?

    Bush just never did anything right...he spent too much money but didn't buy enough body armor...soliders needlessly died because he didn't send enough troops but you complain that we should be bringing our boys home. Pick a damn side and stick with it.

    This is real shit, this is war and there will be casualties. This isn't your Xbox 360 and you can't dashboard every time some 12 year is beating your ass at Modern Warfare 2.

    Maybe it's time to stop point fingers and man up.

    Regards

    "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
    - Ronald Reagan

  • TNA's picture

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/22/bu...

    Listen, in WW2, when we landed in France, the 1st wave of troops were loaded to the gills. The generals knew they were going to die, but if they could bring enough gear close to the shore follow up troops could fight with it. That is the cold hard fact of war. People die.

    Frankly, Rumsfeld said it the best. You go to war with the military you have, not the one you would like to have. It is cold hearted and people do not want to hear it, but it is just the facts. Look at the advancements in almost everything since the war(s) have started. This is a living organism, we are learning about the enemy, changing tactics, altering plans. Thats how things are.

    Yes, I think Bush cared deeply for each troop that died. He was put in a tough place after 9/11 and made some tough decisions. I think Bush deeply believed in everything he did. He might of made mistakes, but I would gladly break bread with him. Considering how much Obama shits on him I also think Bush is incredibly graceful in the way he doesn't criticize or take the spotlight away from the current President. Obama could learn a thing or two from Bush about that.

    I personally know many soldiers who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan, my best friend having done 2 tours. Everyone of them have kind things to say about Bush. Not so much for Obama. This is coming out of the mouths of people who have been sent to fight and in some cases die by GWB.

    I also want to punch in the face every liberal who uses the deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan as a weapon. These are human being fighting for this country. Just because you don't want to serve or don't have the sack to serve doesn't give you the fight to fake indignation about young men and women dying.

  • TNA's picture

    Oh, one more thing. In Bush's 8 years there wasn't any type of personal scandal. The man overcame alcohol and drug addiction and was loyal as can be to his wife. He was deeply religious and struck me as a pretty nice guy. The venomous hate people had for him is beyond me. Americans sat at home and bought TV's while the war went on. Never in our history has 2 wars been fought with so little inconvenience at home, yet all this fake outrage. A war fought entirely by volunteers.

    Oh the housing crisis was his fault. Yeah, I am sure if Bush started to stop people from owning homes everyone would have loved him. Get real.

    You know, the day after 9/11 I said people would forget. No doubt in my mind. This nation has neither the stomach or the backbone to finish anything. Sure enough, the indignation and rage which sent troops to Afghanistan soon vanished to the point where people didn't care. Now it is a couple moments of silence. Now all we do is bitch because we have to take our shoes off at the airport. A nation of ingrates.

    This nation is going to shit and you know who is to blame. Take a look in the mirror.

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