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Edmundo Braverman's picture
Edmundo Braverman
      ST
 
 
(Human, 14,702
 
Points)
 on 7/10/12 at 1:30pm
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"I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me." - Winston Churchill

Those of you on the fence about attending tomorrow night's Bastille Bash might want to give it some serious thought, because it's probably going to be my last hurrah. I've decided to give up the sauce, which is a minor blasphemy for an Irishman like me. But it's time.

A lot of you are probably wondering what the impetus for this decision is. Did Eddie drive drunk into a school bus full of kids? Did his doc discover that his liver's as hard as an olive pit? Did the missus threaten to leave his drunk ass and take all his money?

Well, I'm happy to report that it was none of those things, nor anything equally dramatic. I haven't hit "rock bottom" (that happened a long time ago anyway). I haven't been told to get my affairs in order. My relationship with alcohol (and it is ABSOLUTELY a relationship in every sense of the word) has simply run its course.

I started drinking when I was 15 (like many of you, I suspect). I didn't get really good at it until a couple years later when I went to work as a forklift driver for Price Club (now CostCo). I was the youngest lift driver on the crew, and my fellow derelicts were more than happy to buy for me. After that I joined the Marines and went pro.

From that point on, booze has been the only constant in my life. With the exception of seven miserable months spent in a shithole dry country (Saudi Arabia), my medecine has never been far from reach. All of my best memories revolve around booze (I met all three of my wives in bars, for example) and, conversely, booze has helped me through my darkest hours (and probably saved my life a couple times).

Over the past nearly 30 years I've consumed vast Nordic lakes of grain alcohol. I say this not to brag, but to put things in perspective. I've developed a tolerance to alcohol that could only be described as heroic, and to take that to the next level from here would be both wasteful and senseless. Plus it's no secret that I've been driving with my CHECK LIVER light on for many years, so that's reason enough to quit in itself.

But the simple fact is that I'm bored with drinking. I never thought I'd live to say those words, but there you have it. At my age and in my social circle, there isn't anyone worth drinking with anymore. Everyone my age has a wife and kids at home, and after about an hour at the bar the wife starts psycho-dialing them and nagging them to come home, and that's if they even get permission to go out in the first place. The only notable exception to this rule is my buddy Dan, and he's in a class by himself. His job entails entertaining clients four or five nights a week and that usually means drinking until the wee hours. I simply can't keep up with him.

So for the past couple years I've been relegated to drinking alone. This isn't the depressing prospect for me that it is for many people (I prefer my own company to most people anyway), but it's not an optimal situation. Most nights it means waiting until the kids go to bed at 8 before I get started (because I have no interest in my kids seeing me wasted), and then I'm basically sipping until 11 when the wife goes to bed because I don't want to listen to a lecture about getting drunk again. 11 pm to 1 am is normally my time to shine, and that's when I put it away in earnest until I crash and get four or five hours sleep. So on average I'm crushing a half-liter of scotch or rum, say, five nights a week.

The thing is, I'm not enjoying it anymore and I haven't for some time. I'm almost ashamed to admit that I don't even get drunk most nights anymore, and that's saying something after a half-liter of 80-proof liquor. So my choices appear to be:

  1. Kick it up a notch to Wild Turkey 101 or similar proofs, or
  2. Give it up altogether.

For me, it's an easy choice. I'm done with the booze.

Now, I'm not saying anything crazy like I'll never drink again or I'll never have a glass of wine with dinner or a bottle of champagne to celebrate something (hell, I'll probably kill a Nebuchadnezzar by myself when my kids move out), but I'm definitely ending my regular relationship with the bottle. It's just not doing anything for me anymore, and I'm tired of feeling like crap every morning. I'll probably take all the money I save and use it to keep my ass off of EasyJet.

Middle age is a bitch, guys. Make sure you're having all the fun you can possibly have while you're young.

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EarTotheStreet's picture

Is this what married life is

EarTotheStreet
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(Senior Baboon, 237
 
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 on 7/10/12 at 8:43am

Is this what married life is like?

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KhakiPete's picture

Kick it up to 127 proof

KhakiPete
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 on 7/10/12 at 8:56am

Kick it up to 127 proof Booker's. That's the good stuff!

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IlliniProgrammer's picture

Every morning, I give up

IlliniProgrammer
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 on 7/10/12 at 8:58am

Every morning, I give up drinking.

Every evening at around 6 PM, I pick up another beer.

Work hard, play hard.

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Onetwobit's picture

are you not a fan of beer?

Onetwobit
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 on 7/10/12 at 8:58am

are you not a fan of beer? 2-3 every night keeps me relatively sane, doesn't punish the wallet, and practically puts me to sleep.

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tmur: are you not a fan of

BlackHat
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 on 7/10/12 at 9:03am
tmur:

are you not a fan of beer? 2-3 every night keeps me relatively sane, doesn't punish the wallet, and practically puts me to sleep.

2-3 beers before bed every night? Epic beer gut?

I hate victims who respect their executioners

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(No subject)

Febreeze
     
 
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 on 7/10/12 at 9:06am

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sk8247365's picture

How long have you not had a

sk8247365
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 on 7/10/12 at 9:14am

How long have you not had a drink so far? The thing most people forget is that drinking every night and getting to a half liter causes one life-long problem: alcoholism (alcohol dependence).

Good luck; my bet is you break in less than a week and get smashed. If not, you are a better person than most.

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BlackHat: tmur: are you not

Onetwobit
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 on 7/10/12 at 9:29am
BlackHat:
tmur:

are you not a fan of beer? 2-3 every night keeps me relatively sane, doesn't punish the wallet, and practically puts me to sleep.

2-3 beers before bed every night? Epic beer gut?

not at all, a beer with dinner, a beer when watching TV / on computer finishing shit up.

should also say not 'every' night, but at least a couple times a week.

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mdk6c's picture

Been dry since 2005. Getting

mdk6c
     
 
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 on 7/10/12 at 9:56am

Been dry since 2005.

Getting hammered was fun in college, but it loses its luster a few years after graduation, as your time becomes more constrained.

The hardest part about quitting is explaining it to your friends. Nobody wants to be the boring sober guy.

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Anomanderis's picture

Oh c'mon Eddie, take a few

Anomanderis
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 on 7/10/12 at 10:03am

Oh c'mon Eddie, take a few weeks off. Your liver is the one organ with the highest recovery rate in the human body, within 3-ish months, you should be good as gold, and your tolerance should be back to normal.

Also - try some pot. I know, it's illegal, but it's likely to help your relationship with the missus.

But Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly, Rhaegar fought bravely.

And Rhaegar died.

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I'm happy for you. Good

UFOinsider
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 on 7/10/12 at 10:05am

I'm happy for you. Good luck. Drinking+partying hard is cool/fun when you're young, then it just becomes sad. A 25 year old kid doubts this, but then again...look at the corny shit you did when you were five that you realize as silly now. It's the same with partying. There's so much more to life, and having a clear head opens up all sorts of options.

Good luck dude

I just had my first UFO experience.

I called my wife fat while we were making dinner.

Flying saucers everywhere XD

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Anomanderis: Also - try some

UFOinsider
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 on 7/10/12 at 10:08am
Anomanderis:

Also - try some pot. I know, it's illegal, but it's likely to help your relationship with the missus.

Please explain, I have limited experience with that. I hear this all the time but want details. Care to share?

I just had my first UFO experience.

I called my wife fat while we were making dinner.

Flying saucers everywhere XD

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dave742's picture

Nobody likes a

dave742
     
 
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 on 7/10/12 at 10:19am

Nobody likes a quitter...

Seriously though, I go sober for one month every year (usually Feb because it is the shortest month). You feel so much better, it's incredible. Tough for me to cut out booze as I am a single guy living in SoHo and every conceivable social activity revolves around booze...but I could see myself cutting it completely if I were in your shoes. Consider a physical activity to help with the boredom and fill the void.

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dwight schrute's picture

Sounds like a long and

dwight schrute
     
 
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 on 7/10/12 at 10:21am

Sounds like a long and illustrious relationship. Like any relationship, it's important that you choose to end it before it ends you. Best of luck.

Making money is art and working is art and good business is the best art - Andy Warhol

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Hooked on LEAPS's picture

I'm beginning to question

Hooked on LEAPS
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 on 7/10/12 at 10:38am

I'm beginning to question your sanity Eddie.

You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist. - Friedrich Nietzsche

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coming from a family full of

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 on 7/10/12 at 10:39am
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Unforseen's picture

I'm 23 and the worst thing

Unforseen
     
 
 
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 on 7/10/12 at 11:52am

Check out my Blog

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UFOinsider: Anomanderis: Al

Anomanderis
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 on 7/10/12 at 11:04am

But Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly, Rhaegar fought bravely.

And Rhaegar died.

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Also - in the name of strong

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 on 7/10/12 at 11:07am

But Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly, Rhaegar fought bravely.

And Rhaegar died.

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TerpStreeter's picture

RIP alcohol? Cmon man give it

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 on 7/10/12 at 11:07am
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Senvik's picture

Something you may want to

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 on 7/10/12 at 11:28am

"You stop being an asshole when it sucks to be you." - IlliniProgrammer

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turtles's picture

Edmundo Braverman: For me,

turtles
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 on 7/10/12 at 11:31am

Just saying...

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WSOusername's picture

have you considered the

WSOusername
     
 
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 on 7/10/12 at 11:34am

GBS

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ballmouse's picture

At one point in my life,

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 on 7/10/12 at 11:44am
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This thread makes me want to

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peterg's picture

Kudos to you Eddie.

peterg
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Abdel's picture

This is not too

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Edmundo Braverman: "I have

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 on 7/10/12 at 12:22pm

Eventus stultorum magister.

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808's picture

I'm in my mid-twenties and

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My personal view is that most

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Edmundo Braverman: ...So on

21 Lives
     
 
(Orangutan, 266
 
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 on 7/10/12 at 2:21pm

My WSO Blog

"Unbelievably Believable" -- RG3

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Uncle Eddie's Guide to Rum

Edmundo Braverman
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Johnny Ringo: Edmundo

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Hayek's picture

Good for you Eddie. A

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EarTotheStreet: Is this what

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sk8247365: How long have you

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UFOinsider: I'm happy for

Edmundo Braverman
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Hooked on LEAPS: I'm

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GoldmanBallSachs: have you

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Febreeze: This thread makes

Edmundo Braverman
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808: I'm in my mid-twenties

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Anomanderis: UFOinsider:

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Edmundo

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Double post

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Downeasta: Anomanderis: U

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Eddie, while I wish you the

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Frieds: Eddie, while I wish

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Eddie, If I ever make it to

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Edmundo

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no one likes a quitter

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The Company only uses personal information about its Web site users for specific purposes. We do not share user information with third parties except when we have told users about the disclosures, when we have prior consent, or when required by law.

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We use Web log information to design our Web site, identify popular features, and in similar ways. We do not try to identify individuals from Web logs or to link Web logs to other user information. However, if someone tries to damage our Web site or use it in an unauthorized or illegal way, we may share Web log information with law enforcement agencies. The Company may provide aggregate information such as the number of users who visit particular pages of the site, or the number of people who link to certain external sites from our site, to other parties.

Changes to Privacy Policy

The Company's features and services will change over time and our information-gathering practices and policies may also change.

While our philosophy of protecting user information from inappropriate uses and disclosures will not change, this policy will be updated occasionally to include any change that materially affects the collection, maintenance, use, or disclosure of personal information.

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