8/9/12

This guy does a pretty good job explaining why it seems like women are paid less than men, while in fact, there is little to no wage discrimination between the two.


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4/19/12

He nailed it! Yes, it is women's fault.

They chose to be social workers and day carers and glitter makers and unicorn feeder, of course they are getting paid less.
I did however find out that a male analyst who is on "my level" and in the same LOB is making about 7K more, so I went to my sector head and demanded more money. It worked.

If you think you are making less, say something about it, if you just like to talk about how victimized and discriminated upon you are, go feed some unicorns.

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4/19/12

This guy has some really good points. Liberals hate facts. They'd rather believe they are changing the world with "civil" equality laws which contradict private property laws to make themselves believe they are saints. Even when there is a legitimate issue such as gay discrimination, they would rather have the government do a half-assed job of "solving" the issue than letting the market actually fix the problem properly.

4/19/12

When someone try 2 find work, it just so offense to say "oh hey, you a bish? then go wash the dish" Just look at my girl Tyra, she a 5 star bish, own show, fashion mogul, part time HBS certificate in strategery. It's the 2000th century, bishes can do stuff now.

4/19/12

Dude's right. Plus, no one talks about how women dominate certain jobs like nursing and how men can be discriminated against there.

4/19/12

Finally, now I can make Feminists to shut up. I absolutely hate that "every one dollar a man earns, woman makes 75 cents" argument. Now that argument can finally come to rest. Please Feminists, let's move on the next issue to argue.

"I am the hero of the story. I don't need to be saved."

In reply to Disincentivy
4/19/12
Disincentivy:

He nailed it! Yes, it is women's fault.

They chose to be social workers and day carers and glitter makers and unicorn feeder, of course they are getting paid less. I did however find out that a male analyst who is on "my level" and in the same LOB is making about 7K more, so I went to my sector head and demanded more money. It worked.

If you think you are making less, say something about it, if you just like to talk about how victimized and discriminated upon you are, go feed some unicorns.

+SB. Thank you. You are my she-ro, a female hero. Please talk your senses into these women in NYC. T.T

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4/19/12

This is just like the minimum wage, it will end hurting those the most that it was designed to protect. All it does is make certain labor more expensive. Liberals are fucking stupid.

4/19/12

I have yet to see someone refute an even more basic counterargument: If you can really pay women so much less, why don't firms only hire women to save money?

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4/19/12

It really is the women's fault. You can only blame yourself if you prepared for an industry that doesn't pay well. It's shocking to me to see how many of the women from my high school went into humanities, education, nursing & etc. You can't complain about the wages when it's normal for that industry.

It's almost like they are asking to be paid for being a mom...

In reply to Human
4/19/12
Human:

+SB. Thank you. You are my she-ro, a female hero. Please talk your senses into these women in NYC. T.T

If I could, I would actually have female friends instead of being bro-zoned all the god damn time by the male species.

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In reply to In The Flesh
4/19/12
In The Flesh:

I have yet to see someone refute an even more basic counterargument: If you can really pay women so much less, why don't firms only hire women to save money?

That's a good point. I guess someone could come back at that and say, "While women are cheaper to hire than men, they aren't qualified with their liberal arts degrees."

In reply to BTbanker
4/19/12
Connor:
In The Flesh:

I have yet to see someone refute an even more basic counterargument: If you can really pay women so much less, why don't firms only hire women to save money?

That's a good point. I guess someone could come back at that and say, "While women are cheaper to hire than men, they aren't qualified with their liberal arts degrees."

And also, lets exclude the hipsters while at it.

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In reply to Disincentivy
4/19/12
Disincentivy:
Connor:
In The Flesh:

I have yet to see someone refute an even more basic counterargument: If you can really pay women so much less, why don't firms only hire women to save money?

That's a good point. I guess someone could come back at that and say, "While women are cheaper to hire than men, they aren't qualified with their liberal arts degrees."

And also, lets exclude the hipsters while at it.

Hipsters belong at OWS, not WSO.

4/19/12
4/19/12

I decided to take some heat and post these. I have always thought that there is something wrong with our society on how men are being treated. I wasn't able to articulate it very well until I see these.

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4/19/12

the crux of all of this is that people are superficial and dont dig deeper into these issues.

Women are less competitive in general, hence they dont reach the top jobs as often and hence they earn less (esp. since income distribution is heavily skewed towards the top jobs).

Secondly women from an incentive PoV do not need as much money as men, as they can use men for money. Its just simple incentive, and women respond to it, just like every rational player would.

Thirdly, women have significant sexual power over men, which they can and do use to make up over what liberals see as disadvantages, yet they never acknowledge this advantage (altough this point is getting quite philosophical and controversial, lets just stick to the first two.)

4/19/12

Well, you just simply don't understand the term discrimination.

When your choices (or in this case women's )are limited/hindered by society, then you are discriminated because you don't exercise the exact same rights and have the same possibilities as the others, even if it is due to cultural constructions. You can argue that each individual can chose what to do and ignore expectations, but it's not realistic in the majority of the cases.

Maybe in the US it is harder to see, even if it is there, because there seems to be plenty of opportunities to study for both men and women. But visit other countries and you will see what this is all about. It is too easy to simplify it to "girls want to have babies so they make poor choices".

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4/19/12

horrible thread

I'm gonna get that bish some binary
Bishes love binary
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In reply to swagon
4/19/12
swagon:

When someone try 2 find work, it just so offense to say "oh hey, you a bish? then go wash the dish" Just look at my girl Tyra, she a 5 star bish, own show, fashion mogul, part time HBS certificate in strategery. It's the 2000th century, bishes can do stuff now.

lol

8/9/12

If you factor in all the coupons women get from their magazines, they get paid $2 for every $1 a man earn.

PS: This was a joke.

CNBC sucks

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8/9/12

Watching finance tools discuss social/political issues is like watching monkeys play with a computer.

Stay in your cubicles where you are safe. Good boy. Roll over.

Get busy living

8/9/12

I hope the mangina's of WSO saw part 2. Great vid.

In reply to Disincentivy
8/9/12

I'm getting a little annoyed with the total lack of understanding or disregard shown for pretty simple social issues. But here's my take:

Disincentivy:

I did however find out that a male analyst who is on "my level" and in the same LOB is making about 7K more, so I went to my sector head and demanded more money. It worked.

1. Baller. Impressive. I like you. You DID something about your situation. Women need to learn from you.

2. I know another woman who did the same thing and they canned her a month later for an 'unrelated' issue. It's fucked up but finance is still very much an old boy's club. That club excludes me, so I have no problem trashing the lousy system....or taking advantage of this inbred clusterfuck. These people aren't as smart as they think they are: fight back or move on, but ladies please, don't be a victim. If I'm missing something on this point, inform me.....

3. Try doing this in a 'softer' industry with less standardized paygrades and that's when this becomes an issue. True story: I'm management at one of my side jobs. I and another dude were being paid 50% more than a woman for doing the exact same job and I didn't even know. The other guy found out and went to the ownership and demanded they make it right, and they grudgingly did. Dudes need to be honest and treat women right. Forget this juvenile 'nice guy' v ' bad boy' bullshit....Grow the hell up. There are good guys and bad guys. In America, and in my world, the good guy wins. Be a good guy. Simple as that.

...and for ruthless women who just say whatever the hell they can to get what they want and exploit people: don't take advantage of the good guys. It's wrong. And realistically, in most cases in the workforce we can just throw you under the bus .......so knock it off.

Get busy living

In reply to UFOinsider
8/9/12
UFOinsider:

3. Try doing this in a 'softer' industry with less standardized paygrades and that's when this becomes an issue. True story: I'm management at one of my side jobs. I and another dude were being paid 50% more than a woman for doing the exact same job and I didn't even know. The other guy found out and went to the ownership and demanded they make it right, and they grudgingly did. Dudes need to be honest and treat women right. Forget this juvenile 'nice guy' v ' bad boy' bullshit....Grow the hell up. There are good guys and bad guys. In America, and in my world, the good guy wins. Be a good guy. Simple as that.

...and for ruthless women who just say whatever the hell they can to get what they want and exploit people: don't take advantage of the good guys. It's wrong. And realistically, in most cases in the workforce we can just throw you under the bus .......so knock it off.

Great point UFO. This discussion, and most other discussions involving left-winger demands, revolves around people feeling entitled based off their race, sex, affiliation with labor unions, income, and so on. Look, as long as people are given free hall-passes, or in this case wages higher than what their contribution entails, than they will continue to act ruthlessly entitled. The bigger picture here is that earners suffer and reliers gain, thus a slippery slope to a non-productive society.

Shit, if I was hiring and I knew this employee I want else where is being underpaid for their position I will do what I can to obtain their expertise by offering he or she a higher wage for their services. Ta da, the free market worked. Surprisingly, I did not need some corrupt offical or entitled wannabe forcing me to run my private institution in the manner they see benefical for their own selfish gain.

In reply to LIBORtarian
8/9/12

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Get busy living

In reply to Working9-5
8/9/12
Working9-5:

If you factor in all the coupons women get from their magazines, they get paid $2 for every $1 a man earn.

PS: This was a joke.

Hahaha

8/9/12

As mentioned above, people like cookie cutter answers and rhetoric. You could sit someone down and try and calmly explain things and they would completely ignore it because it doesn't fit the narrative they have for life.

I had someone complaining about gas prices and how Obama and big oil where to blame. When you explain to them that it is a function of refining capabilities, made complicated by the dozens of blends each state and/or region require they just tone out.

No sense trying to convince people. Much better to understand yourself and make money off their ignorance.

8/9/12

My good friend's a feminist and I showed this to her before.

She began discussing how the patriarchy pushes women to make certain choices and all that.

Basically the conclusion of the video

8/10/12

Throughout the course of evolution men and women have adapted different roles so they can effectively do things and survive. For example, men would hunt and women would stay home knit/cook/take care of baby. Nowadays in modern society, femenists demand the recoqition of equal status and capabilities as men and I agree with that---women are just as capable, if not more.

But we have to realize that in during the evolution because men/women have been traditionally been doing things for such a long time, the majority get better faster at what they had been doing for a long time and would require more work to transit to another. For example, physically men are stronger than women. If you look at any Olympic records, the men for the most part have it better. Although we accept the femenists' demands for respect and equality, we have to acknowledge our differences too.

If women are completely treated the same as men, then some things will have to change. If you hear a guy punch a guy, its a normal fist fight. But if you hear a guy punch a girl, then the guy will get a hell of a lot worse attitude from others. Guys are expected to hold the door for the girls, pay for meal (most of the time), and be chivalrous to women. But if the roles of expectations are reversed, the girl will be saying "Why do you expect me to hold door for you, you are a guy".

Sorry for not staying exactly on the topic of gender equality at work place, I just thought I should share my $.02 on this issue. Femenisms seems to me emphasize too much on being equal(such as workplace, which they deserve if they have same capabilities) but at the same time, continuing to expect men to treat them "unequally" as women if the condition favors them(paying for dinner etc).

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8/10/12

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