5/9/11

ok, so getting a little desperate and extremely frustrated because i have been looking for a new role for a long time (over a year and a half). i am looking for a real analyst role.

those who have had experience job hunting for long periods of time and getting many rejections/not even getting interviews, there comes a point (or many points) in time when you begin to wonder what the heck is wrong with you. which brings to my next question- do you think gender discrimination still exists? i know it doesn't overtly exist, but mentally is there a stigma for hiring women into analyst roles that require very long hours. i really want a job that is high pressure with long work days, but is it possible that they see a female and think to themselves that women can't handle it as well as men?

also, doesn't help that i look much younger than my age. i want to be taken seriously but i'm wondering if these external factors that i can't control are hurting my job search to any extent.

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5/9/11

i think in banking gender discrimination works in your favor.

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5/9/11

i thought someone would make that comment- sometimes being a female works in your favor. i don't really buy it. ok, maybe if you're gorgeous the gender card will work in your favor. but other than that, i think you're a little screwed.

5/9/11

I think on the analyst level, the discrimination does not necessarily work against you. It's probably during the VP years and beyond that being a woman makes a difference esp. if you have a family.

5/9/11

honestly, i'm a female and i feel like it's worked to my advantage many many times. it's just what you make of it. don't act stupid or ditzy/look hot but professional. not too hard.

5/9/11

Definitely wished I had a vagina during recruiting. I know some girls that had no business getting offers, but I can't necessarily blame the interviewers. After spending 80+ hours working with nothing but dudes, and interviewing 15 dudes in a row, I can understand why any halfway attractive female would already have a leg up. It's important to distinguish yourself during recruiting, so considering the finance industry is filled with men, you've already done that just by being female.

Agree with englishtofee, I could see it becoming a problem at the senior level. Some [ignorant] men may not take you seriously, particularly if you work at Deutsche.
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5/9/11

Lets put it this way: No female contestant has ever won Wipeout America. You do the maths.....

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5/9/11

Yes it does exist, but I would be careful to make the assumption that you're not getting a new role just because of being a woman. Try being more aggressive? Are you applying via references or cold-emailing?

5/9/11

bitch shut the fuck up. get back in the kitchen and make me an eggo.

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It does, but it is what you make of it.

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5/10/11

Last I hear, there's still gender discrimination in childbirth and emotional expression and support too. Apparently, women also dominate Friday night bartending at trendy beach places....men just can't compete with bikini tops and belly shots. Man, this world we live in, it's SOO unfair.

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In reply to bfin
5/10/11

blackfinancier:
bitch shut the fuck up. get back in the kitchen and make me an eggo.

In other news.... Osama has been killed.

It does, but it is what you make of it.

awkward statement.. But i think you guys are missing her point in that it works for prettier women vs other ladies.

I think it can work positively for you but maybe you have to work on portraying a specific image?

Beast

5/10/11

If you're hot, then that can only work for you, but either way it comes down to whether or not you're qualified. If you're less than drop dead gorgeous, don't worry: just know your shit and have a great personality. There is discrimination, but it's also a function of who's doing the hiring: One of the MDs here is a woman, and needless to say, my group is 70% women, which probably explains why I'm taking my time to just out of here.

Also, you need to be honest with yourself: is your resume strong enough?

Get busy living

5/10/11

bleeve21,

You need to give us more information. Over a 3 month period, how many new positions (high quality) are you applying for, and what is your percentage post those applications that you are getting call backs/interviews? Give an average/percentage. Again, the more detail the better.

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5/11/11

maybe around 40 per month, high quality only. in terms of hearing back, i've found it varies drastically by time of year. lately, not as many. in january, much more success- maybe 1/8 i heard back. nowadays (last month), more like 1/15.

In reply to bleeve21
5/12/11

bleeve21:
maybe around 40 per month, high quality only. in terms of hearing back, i've found it varies drastically by time of year. lately, not as many. in january, much more success- maybe 1/8 i heard back. nowadays (last month), more like 1/15.

Bleeve,

If you are applying to 40 high quality jobs on average per month, that is part of your problem. Projected over a six month period, that is an absurd amount. A couple of things...

1) Most of the jobs you are applying for are probably being managed by a recruiter. I would imagine that if you are applying to 35+ "high quality" jobs per month, you are diluting your brand. Chances are, your resume' has been moved around more times than a bong at a frat party. It hurts your marketability among recruiters/posts/ etc.

2) Hone your focus and follow up with the contact that you submit your resume/cover letter to. Again, if you are counting website submissions, THESE DO NOT COUNT. Focus on recruiters/direct contacts.

3) Again, if you've sent your info out that many times, something must be off. PM me if you want some more direct feedback. I've been in your situation before and perhaps I can help.

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5/12/11

Also depends on the type of firms you are applying to. At bigger firms, there are more diversity iniatives so race and gender can work in your favor if you're a minority in either one. At smaller/regional boutiques, I believe race and gender discrimination still exists to some extent.

In reply to djr
5/13/11

djr:
Also depends on the type of firms you are applying to. At bigger firms, there are more diversity iniatives so race and gender can work in your favor if you're a minority in either one. At smaller/regional boutiques, I believe race and gender discrimination still exists to some extent.

djr just broke the sad truth. I hate to say it, but select URM's are perhaps better off at larger institutions (depends on the situation, people, etc.). At smaller shops/boutiques, there is A TON of discrimination/improper practices that continue to happen to this day. (speaking from experience)

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5/13/11

I would cater your outreach a bit. Make sure you're reaching out to firms that are looking for candidates that have a background similar to yours. It's one thing to cast a wide net - and in a lot of cases it is a numbers game - but it may be better for you to select a few opportunities that really "fit" and keep pounding them with emails/calls until they say yes or no.

Also, it's definitely true that smaller shops have a preconceived idea of what they want a candidate to be and they will screen and hire accordingly. It's frustrating and sad to acknowledge it but there is definitely discrimination out there to some extent. On the other side of that coin, you will get a lot of consideration from women at firms given that you're a female. As an example, one of the principals where I work will pretty much always give a reasonably qualified female candidate a phone screen at the very least when she probably would not extend the same courtesy to similar male candidates.

Also, there of plenty of female analysts out there. People aren't afraid you can't put in the hours.

5/13/11

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