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Is Facebook Use Declining in North America?
 

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WhiteHat
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(Gorilla, 749
 
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 on 2/4/13 at 12:30pm
FB

Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, this post is meant mainly to ask the question: is Facebook still actually gaining new users? And if so, how many of those are really in North America? I've been trying to make sense of their user growth lately to hopefully find an area where the actual data given explains the empirical data I see around me... that no one who doesn't have a Facebook is just now making the move to get one, and if anything it's more long-time users leaving. More from my blog: huntingforcommoncents.wordpress.com

Facebook recently announced its Q4 earnings and gave some insight into how the company is faring in the often talked-about mobile world, the Facebook Gifts space, and other tidbits that gave us a look into the growth trajectory of the company in the next year or two. Facebook reported revenues slightly above expectations (1.58B vs 1.52B estimate) and earnings of $0.03 (or $0.17 on an adjusted basis, excluding stock-based compensation), but what people really care about is how well mobile is doing.

Reason being, mobile is the highest growing segment of Facebook users, yet only 14% of revenues had come from mobile ads last quarter. Fortunately for Facebook, this quarter they announced that mobile’s contribution to revenues increased to 23%, rightly in line with what many in the market expected. However, why is the important number the % contribution rather than the absolute number (or even the % growth) of mobile ad revenues?

Looking at it that way, mobile ad revenues just about doubled, or grew somewhere in the neighborhood of $160M to $320M, rough estimate. Anyway, it looks like Facebook has at least started to find a way to grow their mobile revenue… even though half their daily and monthly active users (DAUs and MAUs, for short) are on mobile. Put plainly, they need to eventually see that mobile revenue number in line with their user mix.

But the purpose of this writing is not to postulate on what Facebook is going to be able to do with mobile revenue in the future. What I’m interested in here is looking at how Facebook is actually representing their user base, what it means, and how that may affect the company once other people actually figure it out. So let’s do that.

From their Q4 presentation, here’s a graph of the monthly active user (MAU) growth over time, meaning how many people log in to Facebook at least once a month.

Most of the growth here is obviously coming from the East, and if we look at the dark blue at the bottom (US & Canada), we see the growth has more or less slowed to a halt by Q3’12 and a slight uptick in Q4’12 but still pretty flat. While there’s still growth in the rest of the world, Facebook has very little growth in the areas where people are most likely to actually respond to their ads. But growth nonetheless. Or is that growth possibly not even real?

Facebook has some cute fine print at the end of its presentation that doesn’t command much attention, but should be considered by the inquisitive investor. Let us indulge.

This first slide is telling us that Facebook recognizes that many user profiles are for non-real and non-unique people, examples being Pets, fake celebrities, or simply made up people… Lennay Kakua, anyone? Facebook estimates this number of users to be about 5% of the population, and thus it’s possible MAUs are inflated by about 5%. If you believe it’s only 5% I have some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you, but let’s humor them and say it is.

Now before I go any further, we need to take a look at a bit of Facebook’s history regarding fraud accounts. Facebook reported total MAUs for fake users to be estimated at about 5-6% on total MAUs of 845 million as of December 2011, repeating this estimate in May 2012 when it filed its s-1. By the time they disclosed again in June 2012, they estimated 8.7% to be fake on an increased total of 955 million MAUs. On an absolute basis, that means the fake accounts number had went from 42.25M to 83.1M, or a 64% to almost 100% increase. Keep in mind that if Facebook actually cut out their estimate of fake users from their reported MAU figures, the growth in fake users would be astronomically higher – in the 170% to 290% range. What’s clear from the past, no matter how you look at it, is that Facebook had previously under-reported the fake user estimates… or fake users are growing dramatically quicker than real ones.

Let’s pretend for a moment that these numbers, put face to face with the possibility of fake users outpacing real user growth, are legitimate. So our US and Canada demographic saw quarter-over-quarter MAUs increase from 189 to 193, representing a 2.1% increase. Net of Facebook’s “fake user” estimate, this would be a 2.9% decrease in real-people MAU growth in the US & Canada. In Europe, a 1.9% decrease. In Asia, only a 2.5% increase, and only 0.5% in the rest of the world. In aggregate, this would suggest a slight 0.2% decrease in MAUs coming from real users, for a company that the Street expects to grow revenues in excess of 30% a year… forever. For reference, the actual numbers for real MAU growth were about 8.6% last quarter, and 4.6% today.

The MAU decline, net of fake users, could actually be much harsher if Facebook was just playing fast and loose with its estimates. In the prior quarter, the estimate of 8.7% fake MAUs was reported higher than previous on higher growth. In the quarter just reported, the number dropped to what appears to be 7.2%. Facebook made this downward adjustment in fake and wrongly-classified, but actually increased duplicate accounts slightly. This would suggest total fake MAUs went from 87.6M to 76M, or about 14.5% less. This could be thanks to some sort of amazing effort by Facebook to “clean up the streets,” so to speak, or it could simply be a more lax estimate by Facebook, who would like to believe most users (particularly coming from the East, where most growth is anyway) are not only real people, but are mostly using their classification system correctly. Perhaps I’m too cynical but why wouldn’t a company who sets up ridiculous press conferences to announce its new stalker technology not be inclined to brag about eliminating almost 12 million fake accounts? Just saying – on an 8.7% estimate our new MAU number for fakes would be about 92M.

Given it touts over a billion MAUs in total currently, it’s not unreasonable to suspect a good portion of Facebook’s MAU growth is no longer coming from real ad-viewing people… and likely something closer to 10% of MAUs are currently fake users. Companies, brands, pets, duplicate profiles, etc. are all very common no matter where you are, and given the increasing commercialization of social media and Facebook’s history of upward revisions, that number is likely increasing faster than unique user growth. At some point this needs to translate to the realization that Facebook is done growing organically and could slowly be in decline.

Now let’s look at one other issue surrounding user geography and access methods which could be even more troubling.

The gist of this disclosure is that Facebook’s servers have limitations on identifying exactly where their website was accessed from geographically speaking, and also in identifying the authenticity of its mobile (and even desktop) user base. First, Facebook discloses that mobile devices with the Facebook app installed will frequently ping the FB servers to check for updates, even if the user doesn’t use Facebook or even have a profile anymore! Without getting too in-depth, additional research leads one to suspect that the mobile DAUs Facebook reports are also inflated significantly. Not only does that push the Street to be more upbeat about FB popularity and the future of mobile, it could result in justification for charging more to mobile advertisers.

In the bottom portion of the disclosure, Facebook mentions that “We estimate that the number of MAUs as of March 31, 2012 for the United States & Canada region was overstated as a result of the error by approximately 3% and these overstatements were offset by understatements in other regions.” Tacking on an additional 3% in MAU inflation, that would bring the number of MAUs in the US & Canada even lower, further increasing the growth of fake MAUs on a % basis if we take Facebook’s word for it and assume less-developed countries have more fake accounts (I question this, but it works to support me here). While this means there is some understatement in the numbers of other regions, those are regions where revenue per user is going to be lowest (and even lower after adjusting for these under/overstatements), so the net outcome is that Facebook use is dying in the developed world, and at a likely mid single-digit decline in real users in North America, it’s only the tip of the iceberg, and will result in lower ad revenues as time goes on. Even in the most conservative circumstances, Facebook growth is clearly overstated. Another piece worthy of note in the disclosure is that Instagram users who log in using their Facebook information (something that Instagram encourages), every picture they post will leak through to the FB servers, registering them as a DAU or MAU depending on their frequency. With all this extra counting, it’s clear that these numbers have to be much higher than the actual. And I don’t know about you, but I don’t have too many friends who are telling me they just got a Facebook – if anything, I’m seeing quite the opposite.

So that’s all from me for now. Chew on that a bit and feel free to leave a comment or two with your thoughts on the matter. Do these numbers make sense? Is Facebook still all the rage, or is it dying? And how would this end up affecting ad revenues as more and more shift goes to mobile?

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West Coast rainmaker's picture

This makes a lot of sense to

West Coast rainmaker
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(Neanderthal, 2,071
 
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 on 2/2/13 at 6:32pm

This makes a lot of sense to me - if you are going to make a facebook account, you probably already have. I hate Facebook, have never used, don't trust it with my data, and have never clicked an ad...but I would be counted as an active user. Why? I use FB as an email/chat client because my girlfriend checks her facebook daily, but not her email.

Affluent markets are nearing saturation, and rest of world growth should be discounted - what advertiser cares if somebody in Somalia is signing up for a facebook account? With slowing growth, Facebook needs to monetize - fast. And I just don't see a legal way to do it.

Let's step back and view Facebook as a normal company, just for the hell of it. Let's assume that, if they focused on profitability, they could get to $3 billion in earnings within the next couple years. This is baking in the elimination of share-based comp expenses, offset by higher payroll costs. And from there, let's assume they can grow 12% a year through margin expansion, incremental user growth, better ad targeting, etc. Throw a 12x multiple on that $3 billion. You are looking at a sub-$40 billion dollar valuation, without considering the volatility of their business; their users could migrate if a better product emerged.

Of course, the above is a back of the envelope calculation based on crude, uninformed estimates. And we all know that analysts will not be valuing FB using PE ratios anytime soon. That said, I just do not see this as a $70 billion business. Unlike Ebay and Google (and eventually Amazon), I don't think there is a clear path to monetization.

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West Coast rainmaker: I hate

inkybinky
      AM
 
(Senior Baboon, 208
 
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 on 2/4/13 at 1:17pm
West Coast rainmaker:

I hate Facebook, have never used.... I use FB as an email/chat client because my girlfriend checks her facebook daily, but not her email.

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BlackHat's picture

This makes more sense to me

BlackHat
      HF
 
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 4,935
 
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 on 2/4/13 at 3:25pm

This makes more sense to me than the first one :)

I think this all comes down to the fundamental notion that Facebook's user base is not an effective audience for advertisers, and things like growing numbers of bullshit accounts can mask the fact that FB is getting less and less popular where it counts. Once things saturate more in Asia, I guarantee Facebook finds a way to show continued user growth simply because people in Asia probably make a shit ton of fake accounts for all sorts of different purposes.

Has anyone else ever heard of these "consultancies" that will literally get hired by a company to create accounts and increase their number of Likes or Followers or something on FB or Twitter? As an advertiser I'm sure they're aware of a bit of this but don't know how quickly it will translate into less people advertising on Facebook. But definitely have a problem with the MAU and DAU metrics as some sort of leading indicator of ad revenues.

I'd be interested to hear from a couple big customers for FB in terms of advertising. Wonder how they gauge their success and justify the expenses to their CMO, CFO, etc. to continue their social media advertising programs. Can't imagine someone like Clorox gets a ton of extra money in sales that they can directly attribute to having a bunch of Likes on Facebook or something.

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West Coast rainmaker: This

adapt or die
     
 
(King Kong, 1,229
 
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 on 2/4/13 at 3:34pm
West Coast rainmaker:

This makes a lot of sense to me - if you are going to make a facebook account, you probably already have. I hate Facebook, have never used, don't trust it with my data, and have never clicked an ad...but I would be counted as an active user. Why? I use FB as an email/chat client because my girlfriend checks her facebook daily, but not her email.

Affluent markets are nearing saturation, and rest of world growth should be discounted - what advertiser cares if somebody in Somalia is signing up for a facebook account? With slowing growth, Facebook needs to monetize - fast. And I just don't see a legal way to do it.

Let's step back and view Facebook as a normal company, just for the hell of it. Let's assume that, if they focused on profitability, they could get to $3 billion in earnings within the next couple years. This is baking in the elimination of share-based comp expenses, offset by higher payroll costs. And from there, let's assume they can grow 12% a year through margin expansion, incremental user growth, better ad targeting, etc. Throw a 12x multiple on that $3 billion. You are looking at a sub-$40 billion dollar valuation, without considering the volatility of their business; their users could migrate if a better product emerged.

Of course, the above is a back of the envelope calculation based on crude, uninformed estimates. And we all know that analysts will not be valuing FB using PE ratios anytime soon. That said, I just do not see this as a $70 billion business. Unlike Ebay and Google (and eventually Amazon), I don't think there is a clear path to monetization.

I think you're exactly right about the unclear path to monetization. As users migrate off desktop and onto mobile, not only does that make utilizing advertisements as a revenue stream more difficult but it also opens the door to a better/new mobile platform stealing market share.

If I were Google I would forget about trying to beat FB at the desktop social network game and instead focus on the mobile sector.

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TeddyTheBear's picture

Facebook has been declining

TeddyTheBear
      IB
 
(Gorilla, 570
 
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 on 2/4/13 at 4:40pm

Facebook has been declining in OECD nations simply because its no longer innovative. I mean I stopped using it when my parents made accounts. The idea of facebook was simply to stay connected with long lost friends, but they tried to make it more than that. I mean the idea of Timeline, where people can see what you do from the day you were born is a huge turn off for many. FB is no longer about staying in touch, but its about everyone's lives being seen by their friends/family, which many just don't want. I don't find it entertaining. I never do status updates and the only wall post I do is too wish someone a happy bday every now and then. I spend about 2 mins a week on FB.

In regards to the company monetizing itself. I think Zuckerberg even mentioned he doesn't care about money. He is just passionate and wants to create a connected world. Unfortunately what Zuck doesn't understand is that you can't fund your day to day operations on passion. I mean how do you expect to pay a $1 billion for instagram and not make a single penney on it.

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BlackHat's picture

TeddyTheBear: not make a

BlackHat
      HF
 
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 4,935
 
Points)
 on 2/4/13 at 5:36pm
TeddyTheBear:

not make a single penney

I see what you did there. Bill Ackman be damned.

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BlackHat: TeddyTheBear: not

TeddyTheBear
      IB
 
(Gorilla, 570
 
Points)
 on 2/4/13 at 5:51pm
BlackHat:
TeddyTheBear:

not make a single penney

I see what you did there. Bill Ackman be damned.

Haha glad someone got it. Should have capitalized the "P" though.

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BlackHat: TeddyTheBear: not

kyleyboy
      HF
 
(Gorilla, 740
 
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 on 2/4/13 at 7:17pm
BlackHat:
TeddyTheBear:

not make a single penney

I see what you did there. Bill Ackman be damned.

Did you see ackmans recent quote on JC penneys home business?

Much of JCPenney’s new line of Martha Stewart home goods might be easy to miss.

Despite a splashy, multimillion-dollar deal with the domestic diva, JCPenney has decided to leave her iconic name off a large swath of its upcoming line of decor and housewares amid a legal tussle with Macy’s, sources told The Post.

Key categories including bedding and linens will be largely free of the Martha Stewart label, insiders said. And while her name will be visible in window treatments, her presence in the crucial kitchenware category will be spotty.

Martha’s absence will be particularly conspicuous on “some of the bigger-ticket items,” according to one source briefed on the situation, despite the fact Penney CEO Ron Johnson had been gunning to revive the retailer’s home business with her brand.

The problem is a pending lawsuit filed a year ago by Macy’s, which challenges Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia’s 10-year, $200 million licensing deal with Penney, in which the retailer shelled out $38.5 million for a 17-percent stake in MSLO.

Macy’s charges that MSLO’s tie-up with Penney violates its own long-term distribution deal for Martha Stewart home goods, which Macy’s has chosen to renew for another five years.

The case is set to go to trial Feb. 19 in Manhattan before New York state Judge Jeffrey Oing. Last July, Oing issued a preliminary injunction against Martha Stewart from taking any steps toward making, marketing or selling the exclusive line for Penney.

Officials at Penney didn’t respond to requests for comment yesterday. An MSLO spokeswoman declined to comment.

Earlier this month, Martha Stewart officials said they and Penney are pressing ahead for a spring launch. Initially slated for Feb. 1, the new target is May, according to insiders.

Sources said Johnson has been scrambling in the home department as his recent introductions of sleek kitchen brands like Michael Graves and Bodum have flopped with shoppers.

“The stuff was priced too high, and a lot of the customers didn’t understand it,” said one former Penney exec. “Ron thinks he understands the home category, but his knowledge is about 15 years old.”

Johnson, a former Apple exec who took the helm at Penney in late 2011, also did a stint at Target in the 1990s, where he had successfully introduced Michael Graves home products.

In a TV interview last week, hedge-fund tycoon Bill Ackman, Penney’s largest investor, singled out the relaunch of Penney’s home business as he backed Johnson’s controversial efforts.

“Home was the weakest part of JCPenney last year, down big numbers,” Ackman told CNBC on Friday, noting that sales had plunged 25 percent in the past year.

Home “will be the best part of JCP this year versus last year,” he said.

Nevertheless, Ackman didn’t mention Martha Stewart.

The guy is too bold.

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BlackHat's picture

kyleyboy: The guy is too

BlackHat
      HF
 
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 4,935
 
Points)
 on 2/4/13 at 8:13pm
kyleyboy:

The guy is too bold.

Fuck Martha Stewart.

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I think Facebook is not only

jmr1991
     
 
(Baboon, 121
 
Points)
 on 2/4/13 at 8:14pm

I think Facebook is not only declining to get new North American users, but it is also alienating North Americans to the point where they are beginning to look for alternatives. Personally, I hate the fact that I can't get rid of my Facebook (I'm a UG, so FB makes it very easy to chase tail and throw parties, haha). If given the opportunity to join a new social media site only for college students that fulfilled that purpose, I would join in a heartbeat and leave Facebook. Also, having to deal with relatives adding you contributes to awkward family reunions ("JR, why were you doing a handstand on that metal barrel?")

Then of course you have LinkedIn, great for networking and promoting your professional self, also hurting FB.

Their profit model is unproven and unsustainable. It's only a matter of time before they start seeing a decline in users. Zuck may not care about the money, but a lot of shareholders do. The moment he sold equity, $$ became more important than his dream. Sad, but true.

Great Article though...

RANT: I also hate the amount of pointless shit posted on Facebook. I swear, if I see one more god damn picture by Occupy Wall Street talking about how "Greedy Investment Bankers caused the housing bubble in some scheme to get more land" or how "Student loans should be paid by the greedy banks that got bailouts" (I shit you not, I am paraphrasing real recently seen comments) I will snap. Facebook has become a bastardized version of what it once was, and the coup de gras was the IPO...the moment where Facebook transfered from the vision of an ambitious computer "geek" to a declining social media site which will soon follow MySpace (remember that thing?). END RANT

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Tommy Too-toned's picture

Social media companies

Tommy Too-toned
     
 
(Gorilla, 505
 
Points)
 on 2/4/13 at 10:28pm

Social media companies compete for peoples' time, which has obvious limits (there's only so much of it). People have jobs, girlfriends; they need to have sex, they need to exercise, they need to meet with friends (in person). Facebook was definitely something the world needed, but its growth is limited by the fact that there are only 24 hours in a day. I find myself turning to traditional print forms like magazines and papers when I'm trying to relax. I can only take so much screen time everyday.

There's been a push towards the "post-modern" in food production, clothing, media, travel...just about everything, and as long as the quality is there, traditional business models can still be successful. Then I think about Zynga and how it fits into all of this. I mean, the fat dude commuting to work every morning obviously had a need to play video games, but how many hours is he actually going to spend doing that before he realizes he needs to hit the gym or do something healthy. The market segment's no doubt going to stick around, but the growth potential is pathetic. It's not like the whole world's going to spend more and more hours playing Angry Birds.

Tech has infinite potential in its application to national security, medicine, manufacturing, process improvement etc. But when it comes to competing for peoples' time, I don't see much changing. Lives are getting too cluttered..

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West Coast rainmaker: I use

brandon st randy
      PE
 
 
(Gorilla, 693
 
Points)
 on 2/5/13 at 12:01pm
West Coast rainmaker:

I use FB as an email/chat client because my girlfriend checks her facebook daily, but not her email.

Does she not check her text messages regularly either?

I can tell you how I made each of my millions - but not where I got the very first

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kmzz's picture

i only use instagram now

kmzz
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 on 2/5/13 at 12:57pm

i only use instagram now

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West Coast rainmaker's picture

brandon st randy: West

West Coast rainmaker
      ER
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,071
 
Points)
 on 2/5/13 at 1:31pm
brandon st randy:
West Coast rainmaker:

I use FB as an email/chat client because my girlfriend checks her facebook daily, but not her email.

Does she not check her text messages regularly either?

I use it more as a chat client - it's easier to type on my PC than a phone. I'd text for anything under a couple sentences.

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DCDepository's picture

Facebook reminds me of AARP

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 on 2/5/13 at 1:43pm

Facebook reminds me of AARP in a way. AARP is, by far, the largest senior advocate organization in the U.S., and yet their active partisan political advocacy has turned off enough people that alternative organizations have been started. Most conservatives are still a member of AARP because of its benefits, but a million people have moved to other organizations in the last decade or so. In a similar way, Facebook has been widely reported on for its overt censorhip, particularly that of conservatives. Most of us still use Facebook because of its quality and benefits, but it's one thing that is probably slowing Facebook's growth in North America--it's actively turning off tens of millions of potential users, many who are starting to shut it off.

Like Michael Jordan said when he was asked why he's not more overtly political, "Republicans buy shoes, too." Facebook clearly missed this brilliant piece of insight. If you're a medium of free speech, censorship of ideological foes is the quickest way to have people shut down, so to speak.

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DCDepository: Facebook

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 on 2/5/13 at 2:23pm
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Forty-two percent of Facebook

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I kinda think so, maybe in

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I agree with N.R.G's quote.

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Look, I'm a web developer and

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