Rejected from Business Frats/ And Social Frats in General

I pray that you are a troll...

Nobody cares about business frats.

start your own frat

If you're serious, lighten up and be likable; if I was interviewing you I wouldn't want a depressed dude joining my frat. Btw- are you sure you have the right/legitimate reasons to join? Don't have the idea that you're too good for the other clubs, most students prolly know each other and you gotta get started somewhere. But honestly, it's not the end of the world. Biz frats don't mean shit. Pull up your grades and get it together

Transfering Schools is Out of the question. I goto to a college that runs on a quarter system, and I am almost halfway through my college experience. I try to maintain a positive attitude, and try to think positively and have positive thoughts. But all these rejections suck. I really felt a business fraternity would have enhanced and really turned around my college experience. Everybody in the business fraternities say how it the greatest thing in their life and how much better there social, academic, professional life has been since they joined the frat. I will never be in a frat ever in my life, and I have trouble meeting people. I goto a large state school and most of my class sizes are around 100-150 students. It is hard to interact or develop relationships with people in my classes because most people keep to themselves in the the classes.

But I honestly believed the business fraternities would have helped me in every facet of my life. I believed it would have helped me socially by having a network of 100 similar mind people in the organization. I believed it would have helped me academically due having advice from older guys on how to succeed in the classes, and I would be taking the same classes with people in my grade. And I think it would have helped me professionally. Three people from my college are working for goldman sachs. The two that are working in the IB banking division were in frats. I really believe that business frats help in all aspects of your life and truly enhance your college experience.

Get help. Relax. Lighten the fuck up. This shit doesn't make you or break you. It's you that does that and only you.

I'd write more but I have my S7 in the morning so I'm gonna go watch some porn and pass out instead.

I will never be in any type of frat. I failed the past year in trying to get into business frats. I will never be in a business frat or any type of frat in general. The reason why I believe that frat equals happiness is because everybody in the business frat brags about it was the greatest thing that ever happend to them and how their life changed forever because they joined a fraternity. Alumni came to the rush events and talked about how joining DSP/AKPsi was the greatest decision they ever made and was the biggest highlight of their college career. Everybody in fraternities talk about how much better their life is being in a frat. That being in frat greatly enhances your college experience and helps you network in the real world because you meet people from other chapters in DSP/AkPSi. I feel like a lot of people in I-Banking division are either in social frats, business frats, or D-1 athletes. All three relate to some type of fraternal bond. Is it true that analysts and associates for companies such as Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley mainly recruit people who were involved in frats or who were D-1 Athletes. I truly feel that people in frats have better college experiences and post college experiences in the real world.

Obviously this isn't real.

hes name is "collegeloner1" so its gotta be a joke

but if you are dead serious, frats dont mean shit

This thread is serious. I am not making this story up. I would really like objective advice from people in the business fraternities and their actual experience in it both in college and in the real world.

I am currently a 19 year old, soon to be 20 in a couple months and the last two years of college has not gone as I envisoned. Getting rejected from all these frats suck, and I want more out of life. I need concrete, objective advice on how to turn my life around.

Don't let business frats slow you down/stop you. I rushed last semester with 3 of my best friends and I was the only one to get in. All 3 of them found other activities and ways to get involved on campus and on rerushed. My advice to you is find somewhere else you can make a difference. Help out the community your campus is on, Start a finance related/ investment banking club. Your experience is what you make it. So stop letting other people dictate what you do and carve your own path. That's what will make you an investment banker. Not a name on a resume.

If this is a real post then honestly, you have to just man up and utilize the talents you have. I am kind of the opposite of you, athlete and in a social frat. However, when it came to school, i really struggled. In h.s. i tried as hard as anyone but was barely an average student in hs. I actually learned that I had a learning disability my senior year. Anyway, I was frustrated and angry because I thought it wasn't fair. But i once i stopped being angry and accepted it, then I could find ways to compensate. I knew I could i study longer and harder than anybody, so I utilized that skill. I was fairly social so I networked my way into great study groups. Long story short, I transferred to a target and about to grad with honrs. So your not a social guy, but im sure you have other talents that most people don't. Find out what those talents are and develop them into skills that will set you apart. Your assumption that the popular social types are naturally more successful in the business world doesn't really hold up when you consider that in the business world success is all about being different and in the social world success is all about being like everyone else. Embrace the fact that you might not be like everyone else. Use the anger to motivate and not frustrate you. Im sure if you look at a lot of the billionares in the world you'll find that a lot of them weren't Freddy Fraternity in college.

Dude, lighten up. Every person has said it and I'm going to say it again-- business frats are meaningless. I'm sure more than 3/4 of GS is not in a business frat. But honestly that seems beyond the issue here. Go try something new. Join Bigs/Littles or something. You'll get a warm and fuzzy feeling of helping a less fortunate kid and meet some good college kids (not to mention chicks dig this.) Start a deal analysis group at your school. Every school has a stock club or student value fund, but very few have something doing mock M&As. Might be a cool thing to try and you could say you coined it-- make you more interesting in an interview. Do a study abroad.

Maybe just take a step back and count your blessings. But really, you have to sack up and shift your attitude. Bankers are bankers because they have they have a BSD attitude.

(assuming this is real).

am i the only one on here that has never heard of a business fraternity? is that something that only state schools do, and us nescac schools are left with aepi and such?

Business frats are for pussies. You could be too good for that shit. Where I went to school, very few kids that went to banking / consulting came from business frats. I would never have wanted to be in one. Seriously, take a tennis class, find a workout buddy. Set goals for yourself and achieve them. Challenge yourself, take a heavier class load and get involved in sports or at least go for a run each day. This way you will stay occupied for the most part and things will get better.

OP I know how you feel I remember when I was captured by Ash Cathem but have no fear eventually you ,like I, will evolve.

screw the frats, you're the man

Dude,

I'm in a fraternity and it's NOTHING special.

I pledged because I transferred, and didn't know anyone. I thought it would solve the problem. Even during/after pledging, meeting hot girls, giving me some great drinking buddies/friends that I will always love- looking back on things in hindsight, I wish i had done things differently. I actually didn't want to transfer but was somewhat forced, ( I don't pay tuition, and surprisingly, I transferred from an instate to out of state, don't ask). I was MISERABLE at first.

I wish I had joined 2-3 clubs EARLIER and been ACTIVE in them. I realized this senior year and have made so many different friends now ( I too go to a big state school). Hell, I even started playing ping pong again, and I don't even like it that much.

I used to only have a few frat buddies in class and all we had in common was how fucked up we got the night before. After joining clubs, I greatly enhanced my network, hanging out with people who are career motivated is also more fun then you think.

Now, I am not bashing the greek system, I came to love it. But there are SO many other ways to make your college career more enjoyable. I started doing research for a professor, and as mentioned, joined the ping pong club.

Do you play any sports your good at? Do you have a major your interested in?

Please, PM me if you wanna talk and aren't a troll dog.

ok dude. as everybody has said you need to lighten up and stop being narrow minded. Business frats are NOT the only way to form a strong network of friends. There are probably a bunch of other clubs on campus such as service fraternities, business related clubs, etc. Go to their weekly meetings and join a couple. Then, become a leader in one of them. That will shine through any resume. I concede, however, that business frats do provide a lot of valuable advice and a strong alumni network.

Through these clubs/organizations, you will be able to meet more people and form closer friendships.

Hope this helps!

I can't think of hardly anybody that cares about business frats; actually, I can think of one person that wore his business frat "letters" all around campus. THAT guy was a college loner.

You should be glad that you're not that guy.

Just wanted to comment as someone who has been out of college for over ten years. I was in a social fraternity in college and was heavily involved in the Greek community.

Since graduation, I can definitely say that being in a fraternity has had very little impact on what interviews and jobs I have been selected for. I can't say the same about grades, so do whatever it takes to get them back up. If you are depressed, definitely go see the school counselor. It's best to address these issues now, while it's free and you're not working, rather wait until later.

You seem to be correlating with being in a fraternity to getting a prestigious job, which is definitely not the case. The two guys you mentioned got these jobs likely because they had good grades and excellent interpersonal skills. Fortunately, you can work on your grades and develop your interpersonal skills.

Perhaps you should ask yourself why you were rejected from these fraternities and what you can do about it? How do you come off to others? What is their initial impression of you when they first meet you? Are you trying too hard to make people like you?

I can go on and on about this topic. Basically, figure out who you want to be (and I'm not just talking about your career) and start working towards those. If you want, we can correspond about this over private messages.

collegeloner,

if i were next to you, i would give you a pat pat on the back. thats the nicest thing i can come up with. but having those kind of experiences make you a better person. i usually find geeky guys much nicer than athletes with BB trading offers.

Collegeloner, I bet now you feel like a one man wolf pack..

You sound like a loser.

This is a pretty good troll compared to the shitty ones we usually have

Join the largest frat with the best name. If the sorostitutes that rotate throughout the frats wont keep you positive, maybe you'll get an interview with someone who is an '76 Alum. Just remember that the more you drink the cooler you get.

Oh and make sure you have money, a nice car, and some clubbing shirts to wear all day.

Blaming the rejections for your grades slipping is pretty lame guy. Your grades are your own responsibility and there isn't any sort of correlation to the fraternity rejections. Find activities to do and meet people that way. Meet the kids in your dorm, or in intramural sports, or any one of the hundreds of organizations available to you at school. Stop whining.

You need to man up. Who cares if those business frats reject you? They are meaningless. Out of all the people in my group, I can't think of a single person that was in a business frat. I bet that even if anyone was, they would be too embarassed to admit it. So throw out any preconceived notions you have about how important they are. You need to step outside this box you've got yourself in and forge your own path. It sounds like you might be the type of quiet dude who has interests that are outside the norm. That is perfectly fine, why don't you go join some related clubs and find some like-minded people. Letting those rejections drag down your grades is nothing but an excuse. Never forget that there are many different routes towards the same goal, people get into banking and other high-powered careers from all sorts of backgrounds.

If you really want to do banking, you need to move on. Being in a business frat at a state school in the midwest will not get you into Goldman. Here are a few suggestions:

1. Get better grades. If you're such a loner, you have no excuse.

2. Transfer. You're obviously not at a target and things aren't working out socially. Who cares if your school has a quarter's system or that you're halfway through. Better be a third of the way through to IBD or a decent job than halfway to Starbucks. Look for decent public schools with good business programs, such as UMich or UVA. UNC might be more realistic and an ok choice.

3. Be more sociable. Whatever you're doing that makes frats hate you so much, stop doing that. Meet people, play sports, make sure you have a life outside of work.

Pick yourself up child.

Both Alpha Kappa Psi and DSP had chapters in my undergrad. As far as I know, in summer of 2009 only 2 kids land solid SA gigs @ IB/PE. Neither of us were/are in those frats.

IMO b-frat @ non-target is a circle-jerk.

I am not a troll and I am not making this up. The biggest thing was that I put the business fraternities on such a high pedestal because everybody in the business frats stated how it is the greatest thing in their lives. They all brag about how since they joined the fraternity their college experience has been so much better, that they know so many more people, have more friends, do better academically due to having frat brothers in the same classes, have more fun socially, and how they get internships/ job connections through past business frat brothers. That their networking is so great and their lives are so much better as a result of the frats. Can anybody actually in the business frats such as AKPsi/DSP give me their actual experience of what they got out of their frat and how it changed their college experience.

The best action you can take from a place of failure is to turn around and create a solution yourself, rather than return to your previous state. I've always done this, and it has always paid handsomely (not just for myself, but others too). The confidence you'll get from this sort of reaction will be more meaningful, as well.

I'd recommend starting a chapter of a fraternity at your school that currently isn't there, or starting your own business and/or philanthropy club. You noted some weaknesses of the business fraternity anyway (that they simply bring in guest speakers). Why don't you create an organization that strives to accomplish more for their career advancement? If you can't join 'em, beat 'em. Not the other way around.

See this as an opportunity to grow yourself. Doing the above, or something similar, will not only provided personal and professional growth, but it will make you that much more attractive to employers.

Dude, this forum is about getting into high finance jobs. Why are you beating yourself up about these b-frats that don't send anyone to those jobs? No one here buys into the business frat circle jerk you're describing. Smash that pedestal you're putting them on and move on.

dude, take a deep breath and relax.

this is far from the end of your life.

this is my advice to you (serious advice): -go to the school counseling center and speak to someone. i don't know how that stuff works, but its their job so just go be patient and explain you'd like to talk to someone about how school and life have been going for you. -understand this- nothing makes you who you are except you. so you have to understand in your mind that you are only "enter name here" and a job or being in a frat does not make you who you are. -if you want more friends then just be yourself and talk to nice girls in your class and be nice to them. before you know it theyll be nice back and youll feel better because seriously who doesnt feel better when cutie girls talk to them. - actually ever semester after freshman yr the first thing id do in each class was come in right on time and not early the first day and find the cutiest smart looking girl and sit next to her and be supper nice so shed like me. then when i dont feel like going to class she can take notes for me and i can go to her room later to pick them up (batting about .300 in this regard - but those are hall of fame numbers so ill take them) -next stand up straight and take your nutts out of your purse and go sit in the sun so you dont look so pale for these girls your about to talk to -lastly and maybe the most important - do your homework and get A's so these girls and recruiters will like you too. -oh another last thing - join a sweet club that you think has a lot of girls in it in which you might learn something and make some friends

Let me know how it goes because you should be able to do all of those before Friday night

1 - Pick yourself up!

2 - Buy and read "How to make friends and influence people" by Dale Carnegie

3 - Study harder, if you get great grades people will come to know you.

4 - College is just a very small part of life, get good grades and work towards landing a good job

Dude, frat doesn't mean much on a resume. I've looked at many, & when I see a frat I immediately ask for GPA. You want happiness or a friend, go buy a dog & teach him to catch a frisbee. You'll meet tons of chicks that way. You want a good job out of undergrad, put your nose down, get good grades, & start networking.

Also, so, in b-school no frats.... & we seemed to get plenty of jobs. I'll admit it is a structured process. The business clubs at your school are fantastic for networking. Those guest speakers, half their freaking reason for coming to speak is to find a pipeline of potential monkeys - I am of course assuming you want to be an analyst. If you're not athletic go join a bowling club. I think those guys/girls would be damned good drinkers & I like drinking.

If someone goes around telling folks how great their life has become as a result of joining a fraternity, I would be skeptical. They are probably wicked full of shit. My brother went to Villanova, a frat school. I thought all his frat brothers were douchebags & my brother acted like a douchebag when he was with them. He graduated & realized, yep he was acting like a douchebag.

Go buy some good porn, a bottle of lube, & rub one out. Repeat as necessary.

JC

CollegeLoner1:

The business frats throw sick parties, have the best grades, have great internships/jobs, have a larger network of friends and have a better college experience.

Hahahaha, you are so fucking gay.

Dude,

A) Troll or no, man the fuck up

B) You are a troll

C) According to your story, you were rejected from exactly 2 frats. Just because you repeatedly rushed (like a douche, I might add), and were repeatedly and predictably rejected once again, doesn't change the fact that only 2 rejections have ever come your wonderful way. If rejections from 2 pathetic "business frats" (whatever the fuck that means) is all it takes to throw you off your game, then son, I'm not sure you're ready for what this world has in store. People, ALL people, reject and get rejected ALL THE TIME. It's nothing personal, it just happens and you move on. And you don't ever give up.

D) You'll be pleased to know that I frequently conduct interview and resume review for my place of business and never once have I taken "business frat membership" (again, WTF?) into account in ANY of the decisions that are eventually arrived at.

E) Forget about these stupid frats (which represent 0.5% of the student body of your large state school) and get on with your life.

1. Change your attitude. How can you expect people to like you when your alias is "CollegeLoner"?

2. I got an internship on the buyside by talking to one of the guest speakers one of those "waste of time" clubs brought in. Get involved with other clubs to take your mind off rejection. Who knows? You may even end up better off.

CollegeLoner1

step #1 - Buy a GDI (God Damn Independent) shirt

step#2- Rock the shirt everywhere - even to the frat parties

step#3- learn the truth about college (most professors are too lazy to change the test from previous years or semesters) So when you see the football team drink all day and get A's that is why. same goes for the Frats.You aren't missing out on anything.

The Frats only teach you how to work the system which will get you no where in the long run.If you did not get a bid don't worry be happy. you are better off. It does suck to be alone but you are not there are plenty of people on campus just like you. You have to step out and find them.

As for jobs and the real world none of it matters.It is all about interaction and if you know the information(sometimes). You will see people with high power position who are dolts. So don't sweat it. I have seen many people who were not qualified for jobs get jobs just because they were clean cut,playful with words,and somewhat enthusiastic.

Also knowing people helps and the frats does provide networks but if you want to be true to yourself you will get the job on your own. Too many people rely on someone else to pick up the slack at work and with that attitude it will only lead to no success and you getting fired. If you pay close attention those people who are in power protect themselves in the long run.

So cheer up. Buy the GDI shirt and keep on studying. I was in a frat(non business) and have had jobs