2/17/11

would you vote for him?

He's going to make his decision in June, according to him in a very recent interview on Piers Morgan's show (CNN).

I used to not like him in the president "sense" (too spontaneous), but after watching the interview he makes a whole lot of sense and I agree with pretty much everything he says. America now isn't what it used to be, and that should change. It needs to be deathly competitive like it used to be!

Given that he has an issue with OPEC ( hehe ), I still like him though. No bullshit kind of guy, just the type America and the world needs.

What are your thoughts on this?

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2/17/11

I know most of you were too young to even remember, but our country's last, best hope for a no-nonsense get-shit-done President was Ross Perot in 1992. And he came so close to winning that the two major parties closed ranks and rigged the system so that no third party candidate will ever get that close again.

You can thank my generation for fucking that one up.

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2/17/11

Hahahaha, this a a publicity stunt. Mark my words, Donald Trump will NEVER become President!

If that statement proves to be wrong, I cordially invite every member of the WSO community to throw monkey shit at me.

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2/17/11

no it will b gen bleck

2/17/11

He's been wanting to take a run at it since Perot in '92.

2/17/11

I would vote for him. I don't agree with him on everything; but the man gets shit done and knows business better than most.

Consultant to a Fortune 50 Company

2/17/11

If he wins in 2012, it will be Trump vs. Rosie in 2016...

2/17/11

only if he makes robert kiyosaki HUD czar

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
2/17/11
IlliniProgrammer:

If he wins in 2012, it will be Trump vs. Rosie in 2016...

LOL

2/17/11

America needs a business minded president, regardless of the seriousness of his claim. The type that wont think twice about nuking Iran when its being bitchy and looking for excuses as it is right now! The type that wont send $114 Billion to Israel for no reason! The one with attention to detail!

@IlliniProgrammer: haha

@blastoise: I puke a bit in my mouth when I see or hear Glenn Beck.

Greed is Good.

2/17/11

While it would be an interesting experiment to see what would happen if a no nonsense businessman were the president - it won't happen.

Plus talk is cheap. I'm sure doing the stuff he talks about would be impossibly hard to push through. Campaigning/being a talking head is a different beast than governing.

2/17/11

The guy is a hack. He can't even run his shitty company let alone a country. Last I checked, he was trying to sue Citi because HE defaulted on his loan and claimed it was an act of god.

2/17/11

Trump is hardly a no-nonsense business man. He screwed a lot of contractors back when he BK'd in '92. He sometimes seems to think the world revolves around him. His marketing approach is also kinda cynical.

He's a great marketer, but I just don't think he's a good fit for president. But that's just me. I'll take Ron Paul or maybe Donny Deutsch, but not Ron Paul.

In reply to konig
2/17/11
konig:

America needs a business minded president, regardless of the seriousness of his claim. The type that wont think twice about nuking Iran when its being bitchy and looking for excuses as it is right now! The type that wont send $114 Billion to Israel for no reason! The one with attention to detail!

Every other president has been a lawyer, and we all know how successful they are at managing the country's deficit

Went from a poetry major to finance... funny how life works isn't it?

2/17/11

I saw a piece of his CPAC speech. He has a big hill to climb to even get a republican nomination. Though it shouldn't be that difficult, the strongest candidates right now are Ron Paul and Sarah Palin lol

2/17/11

If he runs as a third party candidate, I'll vote for him just to put an end to the two-party system.

2/17/11

Ron Paul, Chris Christie and Mitt Romey all come to mind as potential republican candidates. Honestly, I'd kill to have a quality 3rd party candidate run just to shake the system up significantly.

Put Glen Beck (god forbid, but hear me out for a sec) as an independant on the ballots for 2012, and I wonder how many people would vote for him and how close he'd actually make it to actually winning the presidency.

2/17/11

No way Ron Paul gets the GOP nomination. He's the most hated guy in his party (hated by his own party). Even though he's exactly what the country needs, you'd see GOP party leadership pushing another Obama term if Paul somehow got the nod.

2/17/11

Perhaps Newt Gingrinch would work well, too, Eddie. I'm not picky. I just want someone with some fresh ideas and fiscal responsibility to come in. Obamanomics turned out to involve racking up huge deficits rather than raising taxes back up to Reagan-era norms.

2/17/11

Trump would be awesome, but realistically Mitt Romney is the risk adverse version of Trump.

2/17/11

Newt Gingrich? I could never vote for an asshole who:

--Left his wife as she was on her deathbed
--Tried to boot Clinton out of office for boning an intern while he was doing the exact same thing (cheating on his wife with a staffer)

But, I'm sure the Family Values crowd would still vote for him, fucking idiots.

As for Trump, he is a fraud. A perception in his own mind, a "self-made" "billionaire" who overstates his worth many times over, inherited a shit ton of money, and has been bailed out by family numerous times. Not to mention, the clown has had multiple businesses go bankrupt. He is no genius, he is no superman of business, he is a loud-mouthed fraud with a stupid hairpiece.

You're fired.

2/17/11

The Republicans just have to find the whitest guy they can and they will win...

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2/17/11

Sorry, IP, I'm with TheKing on this one. Gingrich turns my stomach.

2/17/11

If you wanted to throw someone in as a third-party candidate in order to shake things up, I would say Bill O'reilly would cause more of a stir than Douchebeck. Bill has a larger viewership and has had a following for much longer. Not to mention he's not as melodramatic as Beck, who makes me want to drive a railroad spike through my brain. I think O'reilly could absolutely scare the shit out of both parties, but it would be difficult to convince him to run third-party versus republican.

2/17/11

Trump is doing a PR stunt. He will get zero votes.

2/17/11

Mike Bloomberg for the win, he makes Romney look like amateur hour.

2/17/11

Dude I am gonna write in Patrick Bateman

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2/17/11

I hate hate hate Newt. Anyone but him. The guy is a fraud.

Christie, Ron Paul, Romney, Huckabee (he seems like a generally good, 'do whats right' type of guy).

There are a couple people looking at running that I havent had a chance to really take a look at yet, but if I had to choose now the above would be it.

In reply to Rupert Pupkin
2/17/11
NickTheRichard:

If you wanted to throw someone in as a third-party candidate in order to shake things up, I would say Bill O'reilly would cause more of a stir than Douchebeck. Bill has a larger viewership and has had a following for much longer. Not to mention he's not as melodramatic as Beck, who makes me want to drive a railroad spike through my brain. I think O'reilly could absolutely scare the shit out of both parties, but it would be difficult to convince him to run third-party versus republican.

If BIll runs will his running mate be Dick Morris? haha. I haaaaateeee that guy. If you watch O'Reilly all Dick ever talks about is himself and his website. He must mention his website 20x's in a 2 min segment.

In reply to WestCoastDeveloper
2/17/11
Nobama88:
NickTheRichard:

If you wanted to throw someone in as a third-party candidate in order to shake things up, I would say Bill O'reilly would cause more of a stir than Douchebeck. Bill has a larger viewership and has had a following for much longer. Not to mention he's not as melodramatic as Beck, who makes me want to drive a railroad spike through my brain. I think O'reilly could absolutely scare the shit out of both parties, but it would be difficult to convince him to run third-party versus republican.

If BIll runs will his running mate be Dick Morris? haha. I haaaaateeee that guy. If you watch O'Reilly all Dick ever talks about is himself and his website. He must mention his website 20x's in a 2 min segment.

go to www.dickmorris.com

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In reply to TheKing
2/17/11
TheKing:

Newt Gingrich? I could never vote for an asshole who:

--Left his wife as she was on her deathbed
--Tried to boot Clinton out of office for boning an intern while he was doing the exact same thing (cheating on his wife with a staffer)

But, I'm sure the Family Values crowd would still vote for him, fucking idiots.

As for Trump, he is a fraud. A perception in his own mind, a "self-made" "billionaire" who overstates his worth many times over, inherited a shit ton of money, and has been bailed out by family numerous times. Not to mention, the clown has had multiple businesses go bankrupt. He is no genius, he is no superman of business, he is a loud-mouthed fraud with a stupid hairpiece.

You're fired.

Fucking incredible. Awesome post.

I won't to get back on the Romney topic. I'm a huge fan. Centrist-minded, strong manager, economically-sound mind. Was his healthcare package akin to Obama's? Sort of. Not as bad. Is he jazzed up to take-on entitlements? Yup. Is he beholden to the defense industry? Not really (Bain ain't Carlyle). Most of his PAC $ comes from the finance industry and service professionals.

He's my guy. And he did a great job with the Brown campaign. Stay tuned for whether he can endure the Mormon shitstorm and the social conservatives, but if so, God he'd be great in the general election chiding Obama's embarrassingly rudimentary understanding of economics. Keynesianism sucks to begin with, and Obama makes it even worse. No one could call him out on it better than Romney.

2/17/11

I would love to see Ron Paul in office, but like most logical things in America, it will probably never happen.

Men are so simple and so much inclined to obey immediate needs that a deceiver will never lack victims for his deceptions.

-Niccolo Machiavelli

2/17/11

Maybe this is a HHHUGGEEE stretch, but Glenn Beck is Mormon and talks about it often on his shows.
Glenn seems to be very popular amongst a lot of conservatives and independants. Glenn really started to get big in 2008-2009. With Glenn's huge success, maybe people will be willing to overlook that Romney is a Mormon, like they could not do in the past.

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2/17/11

Eddie, while you're right about Ron Paul being hated and not getting the nod, he is liked by the people and if the Republicans are smart, they will play to. That's partially why I said that the new Republican Poster Boy, Chris Christie, would be a viable candidate as well. Honestly, I'd rather see him complete 2 terms in Jersey, but that's just me being Selfish.

2/17/11

Ultimate election:

Ron Paul vs. Dennis Kucinich

In reply to coffeeaddict
2/17/11
coffeeaddict:
konig:

America needs a business minded president, regardless of the seriousness of his claim. The type that wont think twice about nuking Iran when its being bitchy and looking for excuses as it is right now! The type that wont send $114 Billion to Israel for no reason! The one with attention to detail!

Every other president has been a lawyer, and we all know how successful they are at managing the country's deficit

....the last one had an MBA

Trump is a joke, I'd vote for Chris Christie. Any guy that gets that much stuff done in Jersey will be able to produce results anywhere.

Get busy living

2/17/11

Trump will never be President. Chris Christie would have my vote any day of the week

In reply to TheKing
2/17/11
TheKing:

Newt Gingrich? I could never vote for an asshole who:

--Left his wife as she was on her deathbed
--Tried to boot Clinton out of office for boning an intern while he was doing the exact same thing (cheating on his wife with a staffer)

But, I'm sure the Family Values crowd would still vote for him, fucking idiots.

As for Trump, he is a fraud. A perception in his own mind, a "self-made" "billionaire" who overstates his worth many times over, inherited a shit ton of money, and has been bailed out by family numerous times. Not to mention, the clown has had multiple businesses go bankrupt. He is no genius, he is no superman of business, he is a loud-mouthed fraud with a stupid hairpiece.

You're fired.

LOL at this comment.

Trump is a disgrace to American capitalism. He's a marketing gimmick, nothing more. He doesn't even develope his own properties anymore, he just liscences his name. That's bascically the Trump Organization's business model.

---
man made the money, money never made the man

2/17/11

I'm a Ron Paul guy and have been for the last several years. The funny thing is he makes too much sense for the career politicians to cope with. It's really sad.

If the Republicans give the nod to the same ole people who have been in the running for the past 8 years (Romney, Huckabee, Gingrich, or even Palin), they're gonna get destroyed. They need a fresh face with true conservative values.

2/17/11

^^^

Agreed. I dont see Gingrich or Huckabee beating Obama.

Romney with a strong VP, I think may have a good chance. We really need to bring someone new, fresh, and energetic to beat him. Christie's name has come up a lot here, but if he ran .... it would be a game changer.

Hopefully some of the newcomers will help light a spark in the base.

2/17/11

My main fear with Romney is that he'll be incredibly reluctant to stem the influence of lobbyists and push on with financial deregulation. He's easily the most interesting candidate on the Republican side in my book (I can't really see Bloomberg getting the nomination) but he's the kind of guy I could see keeping Bernanke around and turn a blind eye to Wall Street's more destructive practices.

In reply to Edmundo Braverman
2/17/11
Edmundo Braverman:

No way Ron Paul gets the GOP nomination. He's the most hated guy in his party (hated by his own party). Even though he's exactly what the country needs, you'd see GOP party leadership pushing another Obama term if Paul somehow got the nod.

Edmundo, it's already started. Check out this link.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thecutline/20110217/...

2/17/11

I am voting for Obama. If the economy grows 3%+ in 2011 and 2012 and unemployment gets down to 8% he will win re-election. If that doesn't happen, he probably loses.

2/17/11

^^^So at this point you already know you're voting for Obama?

2/17/11

his new wife is hot
he signed a pre-nup this time, wise man

Can you imagine, his wife is hotter/younger than his son's wife ?!!?

In reply to konig
2/17/11
konig:

America needs a business minded president, regardless of the seriousness of his claim. The type that wont think twice about nuking Iran when its being bitchy and looking for excuses as it is right now! The type that wont send $114 Billion to Israel for no reason! The one with attention to detail!

Haha big surprise that you trash the $144bn sent to Israel over the last 60 years
(I assume this is your source: http://www.wrmea.com/component/content/article/245...)

Given your icon, I bet you'd be fine if they sent that aid to the Gaza Strip, or perhaps what you probably refer to as Palestine. How about you take your M5 or CL63 and drive down to Washington to bitch about it.

PS. $144bn over 60 years is chump change compared to the several trillion spent on the Afghanistan and Iraq wars in a matter of several years. Get some perspective man.

In reply to txjustin
2/17/11
txjustin:

^^^So at this point you already know you're voting for Obama?

Yes. At this point I would assume you know you're not voting for Obama (unless the Republicans nominate Palin or something like that). Correct me if I am wrong.

He most closely shares my values system.

2/17/11

Not being combative. I was just curious. I'll vote for who is most aligned with my beliefs. I'm a libertarian.

In reply to txjustin
2/17/11
txjustin:

I'll vote for who is most aligned with my beliefs. I'm a libertarian.

Then you're shit out of luck.

2/17/11

Lol^^^ I couldn't agree more. I'm sure I'll be voting 3rd party, again.

In reply to txjustin
2/17/11
txjustin:
Edmundo Braverman:

No way Ron Paul gets the GOP nomination. He's the most hated guy in his party (hated by his own party). Even though he's exactly what the country needs, you'd see GOP party leadership pushing another Obama term if Paul somehow got the nod.

Edmundo, it's already started. Check out this link.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thecutline/20110217/...

Just an aside, but who is it that watches Fox to learn anything? They're basically preaching to the choir...

Get busy living

In reply to konig
2/17/11
konig:

America needs a business minded president, regardless of the seriousness of his claim. The type that wont think twice about nuking Iran when its being bitchy and looking for excuses as it is right now! The type that wont send $114 Billion to Israel for no reason! The one with attention to detail!

I doubt that a president who "won't think twice about nuking Iran when it's being bitchy" is a buisness minded one.

2/17/11

lol @ levelworm . Couldn't agree more.

In reply to txjustin
2/17/11
txjustin:

Not being combative. I was just curious. I'll vote for who is most aligned with my beliefs. I'm a libertarian.

No worries - didn't think you were being combative.

Politically, I am a libertarian when it comes to civil and cultural issues, a moderate when it comes to economic issues, and a liberal when it comes to certain social issues (immigration reform, public financing of education, etc.). I suppose overall I am moderate Democrat. I would vote for a moderate/reasonable Republican - like George H.W. Bush, Eisenhower, and Nixon (sans the race baiting he did with his "Southern Strategy") - but that kind of Republican doesn't exist anymore.

2/17/11

I'd like to see Herman Cain nominated. Saw him give a speech at one of the earliest (i.e. not polluted yet) tea party rallies in GA and he was fantastic. No nonsense, practical, and smart about economics. Reminded me of a more charismatic Thomas Sowell (minus the sick afro).

2/17/11

Wasn't there already a thread about this?

Answer to your question is no, he's weak.

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2/18/11

I would rather vote for Jay-Z and first lady Beyonce.

Trump is more of a celeberty then a business man. He did do some great things in the late 90's but recently his major accomplisments were buy the rights to "For the love of money " from the Ojays.

Yea his daughter is alright.... I still prefer Chelsea...

- Only time will tell....

In reply to UFOinsider
2/18/11
UFOinsider:

Just an aside, but who is it that watches Fox to learn anything? They're basically preaching to the choir...

The sad thing is most Fox viewers have no idea they're watching absolute garbage and think they're "fair and balanced."

In reply to GoodBread
2/18/11
GoodBread:
UFOinsider:

Just an aside, but who is it that watches Fox to learn anything? They're basically preaching to the choir...

The sad thing is most Fox viewers have no idea they're watching absolute garbage and think they're "fair and balanced."

True, but I'm trying to avoid an ideoligical shit storm. I'm just wondering who uses it as an information source, considering that so much of it has to be checked against other sources to make sure what any given thing said there is actually true. Aside from actual live feeds, they tamper with everything

Get busy living

2/18/11

I'm not sure, at this point, who I would vote for in 2012 but one thing I think it necessary is for someone in the Repulican party, or Tea Party/conservative side, to swallow their pride and willing accept a VP role. I think we really need to have two ultra strong people sitting in office, one as POTUS and the other as VPOTUS. The problem is, most people don't want to be VP, they want to be the President.

If we could get a Christie/Cain (or vice versa) Obama could be in trouble and our country could be back on track.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

2/18/11

Bloomberg/Scarborough for the win

In reply to awm55
2/18/11
awm55:

Bloomberg/Scarborough for the win

Bloomberg is a womanizer. This is a major political liability. Who knows though, maybe he can be the one to break through that barrier, as it seems every other vice is acceptable for a president.

Get busy living

2/18/11

I would love to see a businessman in the big seat. That being said, I have no respect for Trump as a businessman, he is just a media personality with some flair for marketing. Bloomberg would get my vote. I also think that Jamie Dimon would have been good (but not going to happen obviously).

2/18/11

Bloomberg can die a slow death for his view on guns. He'll never get the vote of anyone calling themselves a conservative.

In reply to txjustin
2/18/11
txjustin:

Bloomberg can die a slow death for his view on guns. He'll never get the vote of anyone calling themselves a conservative.

He could make the case: "I'm so glad to be free of the NYC environment that is so hostile to guns" approach, but you're probably right

Get busy living

In reply to txjustin
2/18/11
txjustin:

Bloomberg can die a slow death for his view on guns. He'll never get the vote of anyone calling themselves a conservative.

If you vote solely based on your views about guns then you seriously need to reassess your priorities. Let me ask you a question, do you think a family who lives in public housing should have the right to have firearms in their house?

2/18/11

Yes, why wouldn't they? I never said I solely vote on the basis of guns. But I'll tell you that if any candidate has the views on guns as Bloomberg does, I simply won't vote for him/her. I'll add, nobody with those views will become President in 2012.

2/18/11

Let me also add, I am in support of anybody owning guns who is mentally and legally able to.

2/18/11

haha I would argue that a family living in public housing should own a gun more so than damn near anyone else I can think of

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

2/18/11

^^^^Happy, you have me freaking laughing like a little school girl at my desk right now!

In reply to awm55
2/18/11
awm55:
txjustin:

Bloomberg can die a slow death for his view on guns. He'll never get the vote of anyone calling themselves a conservative.

If you vote solely based on your views about guns then you seriously need to reassess your priorities. Let me ask you a question, do you think a family who lives in public housing should have the right to have firearms in their house?

Yeah, how crazy is it to cast a vote for someone based on their interpretation of the Constitution?!?

First, they shouldn't be in public housing, they should have jobs and be taking care of themselves. However, the answer is no, if they can't afford their own place, they shouldn't be purchasing things that are unnecessary, to include, but not limited to, TVs, cable, video game systems and guns.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

2/18/11

Gays, God, Guns, Abortion - these are wedge issues....but they're not what gets someone elected.

As for me, I cast my lot with the cookie monster

Get busy living

In reply to UFOinsider
2/18/11
UFOinsider:

Gays, God, Guns, Abortion - these are wedge issues....but they're not what gets someone elected.

As for me, I cast my lot with the cookie monster

This isn't true. Huge swathes of the south and mid-west would never vote for a candidate that was pro-choice no matter how conservative their fiscal position is. I think most of the country wants a fiscally conservative socially liberal president, but because a significant proportion of this country votes by the bible (and the Republicans are happy to pander to their belief system), it will never happen.

In reply to UFOinsider
2/18/11
UFOinsider:

Gays, God, Guns, Abortion - these are wedge issues....but they're not what gets someone elected.

As for me, I cast my lot with the cookie monster

I don't know, guns is a pretty serious issue because for many conservatives/Tea Party the Second Amendment isn't a personal choice or a gray area...it's a right and most of those people will not relent that belief.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

In reply to cphbravo96
2/18/11
cphbravo96:
UFOinsider:

Gays, God, Guns, Abortion - these are wedge issues....but they're not what gets someone elected.

As for me, I cast my lot with the cookie monster

I don't know, guns is a pretty serious issue because for many conservatives/Tea Party the Second Amendment isn't a personal choice or a gray area...it's a right and most of those people will not relent that belief.

Regards

Don't worry, I wrote this while cleaning my AR.......

Get busy living

In reply to awm55
2/18/11
awm55:

Let me ask you a question, do you think a family who lives in public housing should have the right to have firearms in their house?

Can't think of anyone who needs a firearm more than a family living in the projects.

In reply to UFOinsider
2/18/11
UFOinsider:
GoodBread:
UFOinsider:

Just an aside, but who is it that watches Fox to learn anything? They're basically preaching to the choir...

The sad thing is most Fox viewers have no idea they're watching absolute garbage and think they're "fair and balanced."

True, but I'm trying to avoid an ideoligical shit storm. I'm just wondering who uses it as an information source, considering that so much of it has to be checked against other sources to make sure what any given thing said there is actually true. Aside from actual live feeds, they tamper with everything

Nah even a live feed, you shouldn't trust that network.

In reply to cphbravo96
2/18/11
cphbravo96:
UFOinsider:

Gays, God, Guns, Abortion - these are wedge issues....but they're not what gets someone elected.

As for me, I cast my lot with the cookie monster

I don't know, guns is a pretty serious issue because for many conservatives/Tea Party the Second Amendment isn't a personal choice or a gray area...it's a right and most of those people will not relent that belief.

Regards

Yup and those are the people holding this country back, most of them live in Colorado and Texas.

In reply to coach.captain
2/18/11
coach.captain:
cphbravo96:
UFOinsider:

Gays, God, Guns, Abortion - these are wedge issues....but they're not what gets someone elected.

As for me, I cast my lot with the cookie monster

I don't know, guns is a pretty serious issue because for many conservatives/Tea Party the Second Amendment isn't a personal choice or a gray area...it's a right and most of those people will not relent that belief.

Regards

Yup and those are the people holding this country back, most of them live in Colorado and Texas.

Holding them back from what exactly Nancy Pelosi? If its socialized medicine, social programs and rampant spending then I'll have to get a better grip on the rope.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

In reply to happypantsmcgee
2/18/11
HPM:
coach.captain:
cphbravo96:
UFOinsider:

Gays, God, Guns, Abortion - these are wedge issues....but they're not what gets someone elected.

As for me, I cast my lot with the cookie monster

I don't know, guns is a pretty serious issue because for many conservatives/Tea Party the Second Amendment isn't a personal choice or a gray area...it's a right and most of those people will not relent that belief.

Regards

Yup and those are the people holding this country back, most of them live in Colorado and Texas.

Holding them back from what exactly Nancy Pelosi? If its socialized medicine, social programs and rampant spending then I'll have to get a better grip on the rope.

LOL! Don't even try to defend the teabaggers, please.

In reply to coach.captain
2/18/11
coach.captain:
HPM:
coach.captain:
cphbravo96:
UFOinsider:

Gays, God, Guns, Abortion - these are wedge issues....but they're not what gets someone elected.

As for me, I cast my lot with the cookie monster

I don't know, guns is a pretty serious issue because for many conservatives/Tea Party the Second Amendment isn't a personal choice or a gray area...it's a right and most of those people will not relent that belief.

Regards

Yup and those are the people holding this country back, most of them live in Colorado and Texas.

Holding them back from what exactly Nancy Pelosi? If its socialized medicine, social programs and rampant spending then I'll have to get a better grip on the rope.

LOL! Don't even try to defend the teabaggers, please.

Can we not do this?

Get busy living

In reply to coach.captain
2/18/11
coach.captain:
cphbravo96:
UFOinsider:

Gays, God, Guns, Abortion - these are wedge issues....but they're not what gets someone elected.

As for me, I cast my lot with the cookie monster

I don't know, guns is a pretty serious issue because for many conservatives/Tea Party the Second Amendment isn't a personal choice or a gray area...it's a right and most of those people will not relent that belief.

Regards

Yup and those are the people holding this country back, most of them live in Colorado and Texas.

You ignorant little prick. I am not going to make this a Texas versus the rest of the country debate so I won't respond to that.

In reply to txjustin
2/18/11
txjustin:
coach.captain:
cphbravo96:
UFOinsider:

Gays, God, Guns, Abortion - these are wedge issues....but they're not what gets someone elected.

As for me, I cast my lot with the cookie monster

I don't know, guns is a pretty serious issue because for many conservatives/Tea Party the Second Amendment isn't a personal choice or a gray area...it's a right and most of those people will not relent that belief.

Regards

Yup and those are the people holding this country back, most of them live in Colorado and Texas.

You ignorant little prick. I am not going to make this a Texas versus the rest of the country debate so I won't respond to that.

gloves are off....here we go folks, hang on for the ride

Get busy living

In reply to txjustin
2/18/11
txjustin:
coach.captain:
cphbravo96:
UFOinsider:

Gays, God, Guns, Abortion - these are wedge issues....but they're not what gets someone elected.

As for me, I cast my lot with the cookie monster

I don't know, guns is a pretty serious issue because for many conservatives/Tea Party the Second Amendment isn't a personal choice or a gray area...it's a right and most of those people will not relent that belief.

Regards

Yup and those are the people holding this country back, most of them live in Colorado and Texas.

You ignorant little prick. I am not going to make this a Texas versus the rest of the country debate so I won't respond to that.

Well its true....

If we did not have the south or mid-west in this country, effectively eliminating people who vote based on their religious beliefs, the US would be far more advanced socially. I don't think you can really argue this...though I am sure you will try.

In reply to awm55
2/18/11
awm55:
txjustin:
coach.captain:
cphbravo96:
UFOinsider:

Gays, God, Guns, Abortion - these are wedge issues....but they're not what gets someone elected.

As for me, I cast my lot with the cookie monster

I don't know, guns is a pretty serious issue because for many conservatives/Tea Party the Second Amendment isn't a personal choice or a gray area...it's a right and most of those people will not relent that belief.

Regards

Yup and those are the people holding this country back, most of them live in Colorado and Texas.

You ignorant little prick. I am not going to make this a Texas versus the rest of the country debate so I won't respond to that.

Well its true....

If we did not have the south or mid-west in this country, effectively eliminating people who vote based on their religious beliefs, the US would be far more advanced socially. I don't think you can really argue this...though I am sure you will try.

Commence partisan bombthrowing........

Get busy living

In reply to UFOinsider
2/18/11
UFOinsider:
awm55:
txjustin:
coach.captain:
cphbravo96:
UFOinsider:

Gays, God, Guns, Abortion - these are wedge issues....but they're not what gets someone elected.

As for me, I cast my lot with the cookie monster

I don't know, guns is a pretty serious issue because for many conservatives/Tea Party the Second Amendment isn't a personal choice or a gray area...it's a right and most of those people will not relent that belief.

Regards

Yup and those are the people holding this country back, most of them live in Colorado and Texas.

You ignorant little prick. I am not going to make this a Texas versus the rest of the country debate so I won't respond to that.

Well its true....

If we did not have the south or mid-west in this country, effectively eliminating people who vote based on their religious beliefs, the US would be far more advanced socially. I don't think you can really argue this...though I am sure you will try.

Commence partisan bombthrowing........

Haha, I'd like to see people try. This point really cannot be argued.

In reply to awm55
2/18/11
awm55:
txjustin:
coach.captain:
cphbravo96:
UFOinsider:

Gays, God, Guns, Abortion - these are wedge issues....but they're not what gets someone elected.

As for me, I cast my lot with the cookie monster

I don't know, guns is a pretty serious issue because for many conservatives/Tea Party the Second Amendment isn't a personal choice or a gray area...it's a right and most of those people will not relent that belief.

Regards

Yup and those are the people holding this country back, most of them live in Colorado and Texas.

You ignorant little prick. I am not going to make this a Texas versus the rest of the country debate so I won't respond to that.

Well its true....

If we did not have the south or mid-west in this country, effectively eliminating people who vote based on their religious beliefs, the US would be far more advanced socially. I don't think you can really argue this...though I am sure you will try.

Please, describe to me, while you are using your magic intution of what might have been powers, what you mean by what you mean advancing socially.

In reply to txjustin
2/18/11
txjustin:
awm55:
txjustin:
coach.captain:
cphbravo96:
UFOinsider:

Gays, God, Guns, Abortion - these are wedge issues....but they're not what gets someone elected.

As for me, I cast my lot with the cookie monster

I don't know, guns is a pretty serious issue because for many conservatives/Tea Party the Second Amendment isn't a personal choice or a gray area...it's a right and most of those people will not relent that belief.

Regards

Yup and those are the people holding this country back, most of them live in Colorado and Texas.

You ignorant little prick. I am not going to make this a Texas versus the rest of the country debate so I won't respond to that.

Well its true....

If we did not have the south or mid-west in this country, effectively eliminating people who vote based on their religious beliefs, the US would be far more advanced socially. I don't think you can really argue this...though I am sure you will try.

Please, describe to me, while you are using your magic intution of what might have been powers, what you mean by what you mean advancing socially.

semantic parry, TOUCHE......awm55? your move.......

Get busy living

In reply to txjustin
2/18/11
txjustin:
awm55:
txjustin:
coach.captain:
cphbravo96:
UFOinsider:

Gays, God, Guns, Abortion - these are wedge issues....but they're not what gets someone elected.

As for me, I cast my lot with the cookie monster

I don't know, guns is a pretty serious issue because for many conservatives/Tea Party the Second Amendment isn't a personal choice or a gray area...it's a right and most of those people will not relent that belief.

Regards

Yup and those are the people holding this country back, most of them live in Colorado and Texas.

You ignorant little prick. I am not going to make this a Texas versus the rest of the country debate so I won't respond to that.

Well its true....

If we did not have the south or mid-west in this country, effectively eliminating people who vote based on their religious beliefs, the US would be far more advanced socially. I don't think you can really argue this...though I am sure you will try.

Please, describe to me, while you are using your magic intution of what might have been powers, what you mean by what you mean advancing socially.

Repeal of don't ask don't tell, womans right to choose, civil rights, gay marriage, healthcare, etc etc.

We are pretty slow going with this kind of stuff and its not that hard to see why.

2/18/11

These are all based on your personal beliefs. Give me a break. I personally believe most of these would do nothing to advance us. And what do you mean womans right to choose?

2/18/11

Hows the democratic advancement of society going? Yes thats right it failed the black man in the ghetto.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays

Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne

In reply to txjustin
2/18/11
txjustin:

These are all based on your personal beliefs. Give me a break. I personally believe most of these would do nothing to advance us. And what do you mean womans right to choose?

I concur. If you are looking for social advancement, the quickest way to get there is a one way ticket to Europe.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

In reply to cphbravo96
2/18/11
cphbravo96:
txjustin:

These are all based on your personal beliefs. Give me a break. I personally believe most of these would do nothing to advance us. And what do you mean womans right to choose?

I concur. If you are looking for social advancement, the quickest way to get there is a one way ticket to Europe.

Regards

....they are regressing lately. so sad. I have not yet seen the nude beaches.

Get busy living

In reply to awm55
2/18/11
awm55:
txjustin:
awm55:
txjustin:
coach.captain:
cphbravo96:
UFOinsider:

Gays, God, Guns, Abortion - these are wedge issues....but they're not what gets someone elected.

As for me, I cast my lot with the cookie monster

I don't know, guns is a pretty serious issue because for many conservatives/Tea Party the Second Amendment isn't a personal choice or a gray area...it's a right and most of those people will not relent that belief.

Regards

Yup and those are the people holding this country back, most of them live in Colorado and Texas.

You ignorant little prick. I am not going to make this a Texas versus the rest of the country debate so I won't respond to that.

Well its true....

If we did not have the south or mid-west in this country, effectively eliminating people who vote based on their religious beliefs, the US would be far more advanced socially. I don't think you can really argue this...though I am sure you will try.

Please, describe to me, while you are using your magic intution of what might have been powers, what you mean by what you mean advancing socially.

Repeal of don't ask don't tell, womans right to choose, civil rights, gay marriage, healthcare, etc etc.

We are pretty slow going with this kind of stuff and its not that hard to see why.

rebuttal that doesn't answer the really answer the question, but hits all the wedge issues. HA! ...take THAT!

.....and txjustin, you disagree? your turn.......

Get busy living

2/18/11

Disclaimer: It didn't even click that he was talking about The Civil Rights Movement and Womens Rights Movement. Not sure why he's bringing that up since they happened decades ago...

1. Repeal of Dont ask Don't Tell: That is and should be a Military issue. We as civilians have no reason to be in it.

2. Gay Marriage: That's a state issue. I suggest you contact your state's representatives.

3. Healthcare: That's not a right. Show me in the Constitution where it says the at it is a right. I'm confident that all or part of the law will get overturned soon. Or, the GOP is going to choke it off where it begins...funding.

2/18/11

Why are you so confident of repeal, txjustin? As it relates to the mandate, from a legal perspective, it is actually quite debatable either way. As it relates to the other parts of the legislation, there is no debate that it is constitutional.

In reply to UFOinsider
2/18/11
UFOinsider:
cphbravo96:
txjustin:

These are all based on your personal beliefs. Give me a break. I personally believe most of these would do nothing to advance us. And what do you mean womans right to choose?

I concur. If you are looking for social advancement, the quickest way to get there is a one way ticket to Europe.

Regards

....they are regressing lately. so sad. I have not yet seen the nude beaches.

Haha, growing up you so want to go to Europe and check out some nude beaches. Then you get old and realize that they likely aren't going to turn out to be all that great. Plus you have the internet and plenty of porn sites, so no need to subject yourself to a transatlantic flight in order to see some saggy, leathery boobs on a 55 year old woman who sunbathes way too much.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

In reply to prinmemo
2/18/11
prinmemo:

Why are you so confident of repeal, txjustin? As it relates to the mandate, from a legal perspective, it is actually quite debatable either way. As it relates to the other parts of the legislation, there is no debate that it is constitutional.

Dictating to someone that they must purchase something or be fine/imprisoned is unconstitutional. And please don't claim the interstate commerce clause, that shit has been abused for far too long.

Or maybe I'm missing something.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

2/18/11

we have nude beaches in the states, i live 30 min outside nyc and there is a nude beack 10 mins from my house.

2/19/11

Chris Christie isn't running, but if he ran he would be my guy. I really like Ron Paul and Rand Paul but both's lack of support for Israel means their presidential aspirations are DOA because both Democrats and Republicans overwhelmingly support Israel. It's one of the few issues both sides generally agree on.

Realistic choice for me is Mike Huckabee because his master of oratory puts Obama to shame. And at the end of the day I want anyone but Obama. I revile him. I like Romney but I think he's just a very polished politician. The federal government is in dire need of reform at so many levels and I don't think Romney has the type of political character to take on big issues.

If I were 35 I'd have more chance at becoming president than Bloomberg or Trump. It's a 2 party system and neither Bloomberg nor Trump are liberal or conservative enough to win the GOP or Dem nomination. And if either were to miraculously win as a third party candidate neither would have support in Congress, which means he couldn't get anything done.

In reply to apprentice7697
2/20/11
apprentice7697:
TheKing:

Newt Gingrich? I could never vote for an asshole who:

--Left his wife as she was on her deathbed
--Tried to boot Clinton out of office for boning an intern while he was doing the exact same thing (cheating on his wife with a staffer)

But, I'm sure the Family Values crowd would still vote for him, fucking idiots.

As for Trump, he is a fraud. A perception in his own mind, a "self-made" "billionaire" who overstates his worth many times over, inherited a shit ton of money, and has been bailed out by family numerous times. Not to mention, the clown has had multiple businesses go bankrupt. He is no genius, he is no superman of business, he is a loud-mouthed fraud with a stupid hairpiece.

You're fired.

Fucking incredible. Awesome post.

I won't to get back on the Romney topic. I'm a huge fan. Centrist-minded, strong manager, economically-sound mind. Was his healthcare package akin to Obama's? Sort of. Not as bad. Is he jazzed up to take-on entitlements? Yup. Is he beholden to the defense industry? Not really (Bain ain't Carlyle). Most of his PAC $ comes from the finance industry and service professionals.

He's my guy. And he did a great job with the Brown campaign. Stay tuned for whether he can endure the Mormon shitstorm and the social conservatives, but if so, God he'd be great in the general election chiding Obama's embarrassingly rudimentary understanding of economics. Keynesianism sucks to begin with, and Obama makes it even worse. No one could call him out on it better than Romney.

Mark my words America will NEVER elect a Mormon. I'd love to see either Romney or Huntsman (Jr) but as much as Mormons fit the bill on the surface, they aren't Christians they're a cult, and evangelicals know that. Shit goes beyond economics when you have have to win ECs. It's about the intangible and irrational parts of the American psyche.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."

2/20/11

As much as I used to admire trump, he has fallen off in recent years. He could be the "don king" of the republican party maybe hahaha...I would vote for Romney easily, the man has experience.

Also Trump would get called out for his dalliances with women over the years...and his business practices...so that may be an issue.

I wish there were some democrats who were strong in economics who would run..Obama has his degree in Intl. Relations and Law...Biden is history and political science and Law...I am not saying you have to have an MBA, but you need some type of business background or executive leadership to run a country...You have to know Economics..its as simple as that..

Larry Summers (though not anymore), Turbo Tim, Romer and the rest of his economic team can recommend new policies until their blue in the face, but if the president does not understand them or DOES NOT want to implement them...then they are S.o.l.

2/20/11

Here's an alternative to Romney and Christie: Mitch Daniels. Daniels is the ideal candidate for the GOP in 2012 if the economy is still struggling, which is almost a certainty. He's a no nonsense and results-oriented politician with a proven track record in the state of Indiana. Christie has actually endorsed Daniels and said he's striving to achieve what Daniels has done in Indiana for New Jersey. Take a read of the below on Daniels:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica...

In reply to Independent Gestion
2/21/11
Independent Gestion:
apprentice7697:
TheKing:

Newt Gingrich? I could never vote for an asshole who:

--Left his wife as she was on her deathbed
--Tried to boot Clinton out of office for boning an intern while he was doing the exact same thing (cheating on his wife with a staffer)

But, I'm sure the Family Values crowd would still vote for him, fucking idiots.

As for Trump, he is a fraud. A perception in his own mind, a "self-made" "billionaire" who overstates his worth many times over, inherited a shit ton of money, and has been bailed out by family numerous times. Not to mention, the clown has had multiple businesses go bankrupt. He is no genius, he is no superman of business, he is a loud-mouthed fraud with a stupid hairpiece.

You're fired.

Fucking incredible. Awesome post.

I won't to get back on the Romney topic. I'm a huge fan. Centrist-minded, strong manager, economically-sound mind. Was his healthcare package akin to Obama's? Sort of. Not as bad. Is he jazzed up to take-on entitlements? Yup. Is he beholden to the defense industry? Not really (Bain ain't Carlyle). Most of his PAC $ comes from the finance industry and service professionals.

He's my guy. And he did a great job with the Brown campaign. Stay tuned for whether he can endure the Mormon shitstorm and the social conservatives, but if so, God he'd be great in the general election chiding Obama's embarrassingly rudimentary understanding of economics. Keynesianism sucks to begin with, and Obama makes it even worse. No one could call him out on it better than Romney.

Mark my words America will NEVER elect a Mormon. I'd love to see either Romney or Huntsman (Jr) but as much as Mormons fit the bill on the surface, they aren't Christians they're a cult, and evangelicals know that. Shit goes beyond economics when you have have to win ECs. It's about the intangible and irrational parts of the American psyche.

I agree that his religious affiliation will hold him back. As said, it often comes down to the intangible and irrational parts of the American psyche, like when it was Bush vs Kerry and te pictures of Kerry windsurfing sunk him.

2/21/11

What are you? His press secretary? Daniels is a good guy but entirely uninspirng.

In reply to Virginia Tech 4ever
2/21/11

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2/21/11

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."

In reply to Virginia Tech 4ever
2/22/11

Get busy living

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