WSO Podcast | E216: Rapid Fire Resume Reviews (Weekly Intern Meetup #13)
Another fun chat with our interns including 3 rapid fire resume reviews! To apply, go here: https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/off-topic/wall-street-oasis-finan…
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WSO Podcast Episode 216 Transcript:
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:00:06] Hello and welcome. I'm Patrick Curtis, your host and chief Monkey. And this.
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Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:00:25] In this episode, we have another fun chat with our interns, and I go through about three or four rapid fire résumé reviews.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:00:32] Hope you enjoy. So welcome to.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:00:39] I believe it's weekly session number. I don't know, 14, 12. It's a lot. But we're happy to have all of you here. Thanks for joining. Hopefully this can add some value to you. It's not just about talking about the Internet, but we can talk about your careers interviews. I'd love to hear where people are are at, whether you're a freshman or going into college or you're graduating or have graduated. So we have people across all spectrums. Most are in undergrad, but we do have some graduates as well. So love to figure out ways we can be helpful to you as you progress through your career and through your interviews and then recruiting season. So it is August 5th. I can't believe it's August 5th already. I'm on vacation next week, so I'm excited about that. But let's start with just questions. Any questions specifically around the internship from this past week that we didn't cover last week? Anything come up that myself wanted to be able to answer? Yep, I would. Go ahead.
Intern 1: [00:01:42] Yeah. You know, the one doing the appeals process. Why does it take so much time to upload them? The interviewing process is complete.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:01:52] The question was, why does it take so much time to do an upload?
Intern 1: [00:01:56] Yeah, after the second.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:01:58] Yeah. So partly it has to do with the system where we're uploading. So part of it's getting all the, the images name properly, the formatting. Correct. And then there's also specific checks, right? So final checks that are done to make sure that there's not like keyword stuffing, that we're not like overdoing it In terms of the number of times you're referencing a keyword. So there's a lot of checks that are going on in the back end after an article is approved or ready for upload, which is why it takes a little bit of time.
Intern 1: [00:02:31] We quickly. Thanks.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:02:33] No, good question. And the uploader team, for the record, today was the first day, I think, in months where the uploader team actually is starting to drop. The number of that bottleneck is finally coming down, which was very exciting to see because it notes it's grown to almost 500 articles waiting to be uploaded. So it was a big day when we updated that our tracker. I know nebulas are working hard to the editing teams doing an amazing job. I'm getting things kind of ready. But the uploader team didn't have enough people kind of helping for a while. But now I feel like it's more in balance, which is which is awesome to see. And the people we've brought on full time have been really helping in terms of just pushing, though pushing those live as well. So we're seeing about 20 to 30 articles, long form articles going live every single day, which is really extraordinary. It's it's a ton of content. We're starting to see some signs as well on the site and on the traffic to the resource section that's happening. Nabil and I are kind of now in a phase of what we're trying to discuss, potentially how we can promote the content better with people, just notifying people that the content even exists because it takes a while for it to kind of I think pretty immediately since they're well written articles and their long form and it's structured well within the site, it's pretty immediate that it ranks within the top hundred for that specific keyword. But to get any sort of meaningful draft traffic for most of these, you need to be getting up into the top ten or if not the top three. So from there it really becomes a an exercise of promoting the content, making sure you're having people link to it or possible so that other internet.
Intern 1: [00:04:21] Getting more into the marketing.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:04:23] Yeah, getting more to the marketing side versus like, you know, now we're going to have this great base of content there in these free resources. So now it's a question of getting the actual promotion out there actually of people to know about it and to link to it, more importantly, to link to it so that we actually get some some credit there. So it's still you know, when I talk to the people, what, almost a year ago we talked about specifically how long is this going to take? And I said probably about 2 to 3 years for it to really be noticeable on the overall traffic to so simply because so is hundreds of thousands of URLs. So even if you were to write 1000 articles, it's still a tiny fraction of the overall URLs. The difference is this content super long form. It's higher quality, it's very high quality. It's it's done in a way that Google tends to like in the sense of high quality content, you know, the proper age to use relevant other relevant keywords, unique examples, stuff like that. So so yeah, we're hopeful over the next 3 to 6 months we'll start to see this, all this work from the team kind of filtering through. To the traffic and eventually, hopefully it'll help help the business in terms of just more leads for our modeling training and our our bootcamps and all that other good stuff. So it's a long road, though. It's a long road, a big investment from everyone, from you guys and from us, since it's there's no guarantees, right. In terms of whether it's going to play out and how long that takes.
Intern 1: [00:05:58] So it's awesome.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:06:00] That's where we're at. That's where we're at. So yeah, it's exciting. I mean, I think there's no there's no way we could have done this without the help of all of you and without the help of just the entire intern team. With so many people with such a large project, there's really no way to do it in a positive ROI fashion when we if we didn't have other value to give you guys through the through the courses. So the course is really opened up a lot for us because we were like, well, we could offer a lot of other value and not have to be out the cash and go bankrupt from from doing something like this. It's something where we could give value and receive value and hopefully everyone's better off for it. So. So, yeah. Any other questions on the internship specifically? I do have a another resume from from an intern. I don't know if he is joining. Do you see him, Nabil?
Nabil: [00:06:51] Doesn't look like it.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:06:52] I don't see him, but it's okay. We can go through it because I think it maybe will have some. Some relevant lessons for everybody else. Or if you want me to review, resume kind of on the fly. If you want to send an award doc right now to the chat and you don't mind kind of people seeing it or knowing it, I'm happy to do that as well. Kind of on the fly.
Intern 1: [00:07:13] Because the link.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:07:15] Yeah. If you want to send the word doc through here or send the link, that's fine. I can open that up and share my screen. And if people want to do that, we can do, we can do that or we can do a few of them. I could do like Rapid Fire try to get all of you.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:07:28] I don't think I could get.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:07:29] All of you, but I could do maybe three or four Rapid Fire, just like my initial impressions looking through it. That'd be kind of fun. A little bit of a different format. Or do you think I can do it without losing my voice?
Intern 1: [00:07:42] Yeah, hopefully.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:07:43] More people, more people joining. So it's getting it's getting to be a typical. Typical group. Yeah, Thomas. Go ahead, Thomas. Fellows.
Intern 2: [00:07:52] Hey, Patrick, can you hear me?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:07:53] Hear you. Great. How are you doing?
Intern 2: [00:07:56] Good. Yourself?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:07:58] Hanging in there, man. Staying busy. Happy Friday. I'm excited for my trip next week, so thank you.
Intern 2: [00:08:06] I just have a quick question. So I'm. I'm about a month or so into the interview. Right. And I'm trying to put together my resume and compared to people's resumes who have completed the interview or about the end of it, they can put on the resume like, oh, I've written this many thousand words, this many articles included this many courses for myself. When I haven't completed the courses, I haven't written enough to really brag about it on the resume. How would I? And and for myself, I'm applying for internships this winter, which means I'm applying now. So I want to put WSO on my resume now. What advice could you give for a starter to put on the resume?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:08:46] Well, I would definitely put the stuff about the number of articles you have in the word. The word counts. I mean, assume it's decently at this point. Maybe just don't you don't actually want to put the self study financial modeling training on there unless you're ready to answer questions about it anyways, because that could get you in hot water on the interviews. Because if you put like discounted cash flow modeling valuation, they're going to start grilling you on like trading comps and precedent transactions. So unless you're ready for it, it's actually better don't like over embellish there because you'll get grilled. I think ideally by next summer or by this winter, ideally you will have some time to do those courses so that you can put it on, because I think it does it does help. Okay, I'll just leave that one bullet off in terms of the suggested thing to put on the resume. Did you see the one in the sticky to the chat on Slack?
Intern 2: [00:09:41] There's no good.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:09:42] Yeah. So go to the Slack group at the top of it. There's a sticky like example of how to put it on your resume. And then I would just I would just exclude the bullet that talks about like doing the. Doing the financial modeling, training and stuff like that.
Intern 2: [00:10:00] Yeah. And are you saying once I do the training then put it on.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:10:03] Yeah, it would. Because my concern is if you put it on and you haven't actually even started it or you don't understand the theory behind it in interviews, you're going to get a much more technical interview that you may not be ready for unless you unless you feel confident enough where, like you've studied the valuation type questions, technical interview questions, where you feel like you could still do okay, It's just it's just opening up your stuff. It looks better, but it's opening yourself up. I'm looking at your. I'm looking at your LinkedIn to try to get a sense like you're at a pretty non target, right? And you're pretty young.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:10:36] Yeah. So.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:10:38] I mean, you might want to put it, but you just got to be ready. You got to have the technical. You have a lot you're busy in the next month or two. Let's put it that way.
Intern 2: [00:10:47] Okay. That's perfect. Thank you.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:10:49] Like, if you want to risk putting it, you can to try and land more interviews because you kind of are. You're still young and you you're coming from a non target. If you were coming from like, a top target, I'd say like, don't do it because you're going to land the interviews anyways. But coming from your company, you may want to, may want to risk it just to try and get that first round.
Intern 2: [00:11:08] Okay. Perfect.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:11:10] But I would like highly recommend you getting your first course. Should be the Ivy interview.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:11:15] You're going for Ivy.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:11:19] Are you going for investment banking?
Intern 2: [00:11:22] Okay. Another quick question. Investment banking or sales and trading were like two I was looking at to the IB what that course would be good for. I'd be. Is there anything. Operating?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:11:37] Yeah. No, the I.B. interview course is. You can think I.B. is like the umbrella that includes front office investment banking, M&A. But there's in the in the technical of course that's under IB that, that course there's there's stuff around stocks options currencies stuff which is more relevant to trading which is more relevant to S&P. Okay. And then and then when you get access to those, you have access to the company database, which also allows you to filter by group. So you could go to like specific banks, you go RBC, you can type in like sales and trading interviews and you can look at all the interview questions that were asked previously.
Intern 2: [00:12:16] Really? Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:17] Yeah, It's pretty valuable.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:19] Yeah. And that comes along with the interview course.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:22] So if you haven't been given access to if you ask for an interview, course, you should be given access for 12 months to that as well.
Intern 2: [00:12:33] Good. Thank you.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:34] No worries. Yeah. Thank you. Divya has a question.
Intern 3: [00:12:44] Hi. So I'm an incoming freshman, so undergrad. And I was just wondering if you could look at my résumé, because a lot of the things that I have done are from high school.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:58] Yeah, sure. Divya, I'm not. I'm pulling you up, I think on. I may not.
Intern 3: [00:13:04] I put it on the chart for you.
Nabil: [00:13:06] Okay. See, once we zoom shot.
Nabil: [00:13:08] Yeah, the street. Resume is already.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:13:09] Oh, wow. Maybe I said I shouldn't have.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:13:13] Why don't.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:13:14] We start? Why don't we start the resume reviews quickly to try and give as much value to people? So real quick, I'll open this up.
Intern 3: [00:13:23] Because a lot of the things I've done are just not really science related. I wrestled like I put that on there, but I'm not sure if I should have. Can you see this? Yes, I can.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:13:37] Okay, So.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:13:40] Blah, blah. Let me see here. I'm open this.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:13:42] So first off, I would get it in a format. Ah, resume template format, which is I would just do that. It'll just clean things up, make things a little formatted a little bit better. You need to get it to one page for sure. Definitely. Definitely is an incoming. There's no reason to have it on. Second thing, I get the Wall Street Oasis internship up there with something similar to this. And there's a sticky up in the in the Slack group that will show you kind of how to talk about it. This So what you're going to do is you're going to want what's going going to.
Intern 3: [00:14:18] Reference business ID?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:14:21] Yeah. So I would put it like more like this where like you don't have your your high school shouldn't be like it could be a you could have your GPA on there because obviously it's very impressive. So I think and like this is this is great too especially as you're since you're so young and coming in but like I would do it in this format where you have like Rutgers business School, Rutgers did the expected class of whatever. And you can say you won't have a GPA, you can say incoming freshmen or something like that. And then you could have something like high school took five aps in macroeconomics, statistics, calculus, a language composition and literature scored.
Intern 3: [00:15:05] Some that I took more than that considering like the relevant ones.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:15:09] Yeah, well, well, you could say took eight AP eight apps and scored five out of five on seven out of eight or whatever it is, you know, whatever it happens to be and just put that in there. As a bullet beat. I don't think you need a whole new section for your high school.
Intern 3: [00:15:28] Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:15:30] Unless it's a really well known high school. I don't know. Is it. Is it public?
Intern 3: [00:15:33] Kind of is, yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:15:35] Yes. Yeah. So maybe you put, like, a two bullets for your high school here. You might need it anyways, to be honest, because once you get rid of a lot of the fluff. You may not you may not want to have so much around like volunteer and all this stuff. So like I would do yeah, I would do Rutgers first. Right. You're not going to have much there, right? Because it's just incoming freshmen for closet data. Right. And then you'll have your high school GPA. They're just like this. And then instead of a new bullet for each of these, just have AP tests, including Macron's SATs scored a five on Saturday. And it's just one bullet. And then. The awards. The awards here can go under if I go here.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:16:26] And show you.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:16:31] It can almost go under like a section here, like certifications, or you could put awards there. Okay. And list them out here. You don't want to. So most of your most of your stuff is going to be like your challenge to me. You've done a lot of extracurriculars. You're a leader, your scored grade in school. Most of your difficulty is going to be around deciding what to include and what to remove and how little how little space to give to. And I think a good rule of thumb for you to follow is the more impressive and hard it is to do. The more space you give it on your resume and that way with how relevant it is to whatever career you're going after. So you're going to business school, I assume. What do you what are you targeting? Do you know.
Intern 3: [00:17:12] Finance?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:17:13] Finance. So like anything more related to finance, you'll give more a little more airtime too. But given your Super Yong and you're just coming in like, I mean, you look like you have a very impressive resume. It just needs to be formatted better.
Intern 3: [00:17:26] Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:17:28] And just cleaned up to look a little more like a professional resume and definitely only one page. And so your struggles are going to be as you start stacking internships like W so and some others is going to be deciding what you start cutting out and leaving off.
Intern 3: [00:17:40] Okay. Yeah. Thank you.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:17:43] Yeah, you're welcome. So like, yeah, this is cool math honor society. I think these are good, but like, yeah, you could even your additional information, like you could add another one or two things here, like leadership. You have this whole leadership section like I would do the two most impressive ones there.
Intern 3: [00:18:02] Um.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:18:04] I'm looking to see if what's most financing. Yeah. Like this. Like. Like managing the wrestling team. Like, you definitely don't need that. That many.
Intern 3: [00:18:14] You know, I can just get rid of the entire section.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:18:18] No, I mean, I think it's good to have that as, like, a line or a bullet, but not like five. Not like seven bullets.
Intern 3: [00:18:24] Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:18:25] You know what I mean? Just show that you. You are, like, active, like, just this line.
Intern 3: [00:18:30] Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:18:31] And then volunteer experience is great.
Intern 3: [00:18:35] Um.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:18:37] And then just on your bullets, our proposal of creating a home room period is implemented. So what does that like? What does that mean? Give me more like to try to quantify your bullets more. Okay, so keep track of matches. How many matches of my teammates, how many teammates, how many tournaments? Okay. Leading to a blah blah. Why did that help the team? Why does anybody care? Why does that make you special? Right. So keep asking that question like should is this bullet really adding a lot to my resume? What is it showing that people that work in finance want to know? It doesn't mean you're really good at organizational skills. Right. Does it mean that you're like a really hard working You can multitask to try to get a sense of like, what you're trying to convey with each bullet. It's member the resume. Don't think of the resume as a list of your accomplishments. Think of the resumes job as to get you the interview period. So you don't want to you don't want to you don't want to throw everything at them. You want to you want to pick and choose what's the most impressive and just and shine those to get the interview. And then you can talk about all the other stuff.
Intern 3: [00:19:35] Okay? Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Good luck.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:19:40] Um. Let's see. Maybe I got to let in a few more people here. And then Nabil, we had we have another one in the chat. We did, right?
Nabil: [00:19:54] Yeah, we do. We did. Yeah. We have. A couple more ones from. Abdul Aziz Rashidi and another one from Abdi.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:19:57] Okay, let's look. I was talking first. Let's pull him up.
Nabil: [00:20:06] Google Docs sheets.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:20:08] Let me.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:20:09] Just.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:20:10] Load this. Let me share my screen again. And this is this is all cold. I haven't seen your resume yet, so. Okay, A couple of things. Are you. Are you here?
Intern 4: [00:20:24] Yes.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:20:25] Can you tell me what your goal is and where you're living and what's your status? What's going on? You're in India?
Intern 4: [00:20:30] Yeah, I'm doing master's in physics. I'm learning technical stuff, major, like computational mathematics. So I'm trying to get into all types from computational side, in a sense.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:20:44] Quant funds like a quant. Find that what you said?
Intern 4: [00:20:46] Yeah. Hedge funds from the quantum sector.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:20:50] Awesome. So things I like here. It's one page. The font's a little funky.
Intern 4: [00:21:02] I started out trying to be different and then like, stuff just got added and then it got janky, really.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:21:09] So yeah. So I think for, for any sort of quant fun, I think a lot of them want to see. I think the technical skills is good, but. Um. Where are you applying to roles?
Intern 4: [00:21:24] Hedge funds, measure specialist.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:21:26] So I think in order to get in there, if it's a quant fund and I know less about this, to be fair. So this is good. I'd almost like. Your work as a financial analyst is good, but like I almost want to see more. So Pinewood Capital Management Co founder and Portfolio Development. So. But like your co-founder this. What is.
Intern 4: [00:21:53] This? That's a start about booking funds. So it's like a cryptocurrency which is backed up by the capital. So the capital gets invested as a hedge fund and we have the hedge fund managing the capital.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:22:08] So you started your own hedge fund.
Intern 4: [00:22:11] It's, in a sense, cryptocurrency company which manages the capitalization.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:22:17] Sorry. It's the what? As a company.
Intern 4: [00:22:19] It's also a cryptocurrency company as a name.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:22:24] Sorry, you can slow down.
Intern 4: [00:22:25] Anyway, you're saying. It's a cryptocurrency company.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:22:32] So, like, just me asking you this. I don't know what you're like. This tells me literally nothing.
Intern 4: [00:22:41] The.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:22:44] I'd much rather if you're applying to quant funds, I'd much rather see like Python, matlab, this stuff. More more featured and then like. Isn't like backtesting and other like stuff related to markets specifically and modeling markets specifically more.
Intern 4: [00:23:03] Important models and vectors.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:23:05] Yeah. So like, where is that here a little bit?
Intern 4: [00:23:08] I mean, I read it in the, I guess machine learning MATLAB lazybones. You can do that MATLAB here.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:23:15] Yes. I'd almost give this stuff more, more prominence if you actually put a lot of hours in it, because that's going to give you that's more kind of targeted around the jobs, the skills that you're developing. So maybe bring your coursework up, bring your experience down because you're still like you just graduated or No.
Intern 4: [00:23:37] I'm going to graduate in 25.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:23:39] Yeah. I mean, you still have so many years. Your education and your coursework stuff I think needs to be above the experience. The experience right now is, yeah, the internships. Good for showing that you're motivated and all that stuff and you've done self study, but this co founder thing like you need to get much better at explaining this and like and or making it more clear this is also just feels weird with these indentations like I know quants won't care as much, but it's anyone trying to read your resume. It's a little bit hard to.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:24:09] Read.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:24:11] With the with the spacing like this is way too close. Objective statements I'm not a big fan of. I think if you're applying to the job, your objective is to get that job. And I think it's it's usually a waste of space. So I would just let your education maybe put that up at the top since you're still in school, put your put your put your coursework in your or projects kind of in undergrad.
Intern 4: [00:24:33] Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:24:36] Financial thesis would probably approach the fundamental analysis, negating the linearity of exponential growth for finding net present value. Except except into the institution, International Journal of Science Engineering Research. I mean, I think this is a big deal.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:24:52] Right.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:24:53] What percentage of papers get accepted into that journal?
Intern 4: [00:24:57] I'm not actually sure.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:24:58] You should ask them. Could you can make your bullet much stronger if you're saying only except 1% of submissions or something like that.
Intern 4: [00:25:05] I'd have to contact them.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:25:09] Do you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, just try to try to quantify a little bit more. I think if the. I don't know what's most impressive. Your projects.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:25:17] Or your coursework.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:25:19] That's most relevant to quant funds, but I suspect it might actually be the coursework. And if you could do something more about projects.
Intern 4: [00:25:28] And I think you'll have a lot of like physics related goals that I just didn't because I thought it's very relevant.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:25:35] Yeah, but the question is like, can you answer interview questions around it? And can you explain that?
Intern 4: [00:25:41] It's not relevant like physics research or certain.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:25:46] Physics, the physics stuff. Yeah. So unfortunately, I'm not more help, but. I think the formatting, you could definitely clean it up. I think you definitely want to feature more of your technical skills here. This is a little bit kind of understated, which I think is that's what they're going to want to see. And not just like not just like listing it, but maybe, you know, like you said, featuring the projects that have these skills to show that like, you actually have this. And it's not just it's not just a.
Intern 4: [00:26:20] Line of work on a couple of columns, maybe I could showcase that if that's possible.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:26:26] On comps, you said.
Intern 4: [00:26:28] And a couple of the like I made this board that automatically.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:26:34] Well, yeah, that should absolutely be in here. If you're talking about quant funds and hedge funds, algorithmic trading like that should be one of the most biggest featured things on your thing. You should talk about the performance, even if it's bad and how like you, how you.
Intern 4: [00:26:48] That's the major reason I didn't. I did because it didn't make any profit. So.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:26:52] No, but that's like. Exactly. But just to show that you knew even how to start and do that and write that things and then talk about then like the whole interview will be about what, what, what signals did you use, what did you find, What did you why not why don't you think it worked, that type of stuff. Why did you give up or all that type of stuff back testing. I think that's the stuff that's really going to show them that you are passionate about it. So I'd focus on that and kind of restructure it a little bit because this the experience like this pinewood like crypto, the currency. If you're not if you're not like. Very clear about exactly what you did and why it's impressive to the funds. They're not really going to care.
Intern 4: [00:27:34] Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:27:35] Yeah. And then like, ideally, like research and offer 20 articles on finance valuation, Excel like I'd be authoring articles on like quant and trading specific stuff. I'd hope you're assigning yourself those.
Intern 4: [00:27:49] I didn't find any particular ones. I did find a couple of those. I did make a couple of articles on that, but not major.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:27:57] But why don't you. Why don't you list those out then? Like finance evaluation, kind of generic. They're not going to give a shit about accounting. Right?
Intern 4: [00:28:07] Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:28:08] We're probably not. But that's my that's my general advice. Does that helpful at all or does it kind of leave you lost? I feel bad.
Intern 4: [00:28:17] No, no, no. It's just forwarding and making think you're the person who's doing that.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:28:22] Yeah. Yeah. You should make it specifically for orphans. And if you want to if you want a different one for finance, that's fine. You can be a little bit more general, but try to really think about where you're applying and the job you're trying to land and what they care about. And they'd be more clear if you were going to say, co founder of something on there, they're going to grill you on like, what is this? What did you do? What value to add? What do you mean? Co founder? What do you mean hedge fund? So if you're not ready to talk about it and you're going to kind of like step around it and tiptoe around it, then just don't even have it on there or have it less or have it less featured. And give me something to chew on. Like, how many hours did you spend on this? Like, you know what I mean? You interviewed five people. Like, I don't like. So what does that mean? I guess you know what I mean? So like, I rather I rather people are probably be more impressed with like the backtesting, the fail backtesting model and the technical work you did there because it's much more relevant. It shows that there is already interest there. There's already experimentation there. There's a journey, right? There's you're trying to learn and understand. To me, I think that's much more interesting and I think it'll be more interesting to those people versus some cryptocurrency exchange thing unless unless you can get more technical on here and show where your technical skill helped.
Intern 4: [00:29:37] That helps.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:29:42] Thank you.Let's see if we can help anybody else here. All right. Let me see if I can open up duals here. And if anybody else wants to send.
Nabil: [00:29:54] This one word, it's above objects. I think that's probably. Yeah, I.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:29:59] Do. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, here we go. And let me say I can get it. Sorry, I'm just trying to get it set on my screen so I can properly. Probably give you feedback. Here we go. You know, it's so funny. I've done. How many of these have done? Maybe. Five of the six of these. I feel like I'm repeating myself already. All right, here we go. Let's see if I can share my screen. And yeah, if you guys want to, you can jump off. There's no requirement to stay on this. It's only if you're interested in learning and hearing about this. So I'm dual.
Intern 5: [00:30:46] Hey.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:30:47] Hey. Are you with us?
Intern 5: [00:30:48] Yes, I am.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:30:49] Awesome. So give me a little bit of background just overall in terms of where you are. Sounds like you're getting. You initially got your initial degree at a community college as an 18, and then you jumped to BCA at Georgetown and you're graduating soon? Really soon.
Intern 5: [00:31:10] I'm graduating this fall. So yeah, I'm a kid in Alexandria, Virginia, is close to Washington, D.C., and I'm doing finance and management double major, and I'm looking for investment banking jobs probably here in New York.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:31:24] And so if you're looking for investment banking jobs, I can definitely help you there. So a couple of things. I'm like broken record here, this huge block of text. Is a mistake. Are they simply because no one's actually going to read it? Think of something as like. It's the same reason why one of the rules of of this internship when you're writing is when people are reading online or even if they print it out, maybe. But most of the time people are going to be reading online, reading a large block of text online, especially at this font size, is incredibly difficult. It assumes it assumes that people are going to take your resume and spend a few minutes with it when in reality they have a stack of 100 or 200 resumes and they're going like this flip, flip, flip, kind of interesting flip. No, no, no. Maybe. No, no. Yes. That's literally what it's like. So all you're doing here by having two pages and having this big block of text at the top, is you're you're making yourself look like you don't know how to apply to these jobs. You're making yourself look like you don't really actually know how to sell yourself.
Intern 5: [00:32:41] Right.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:32:42] So I think.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:32:45] If we.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:32:45] Remove this, get all this out of here. Education up at the top. This is great. Gpa is a little low, but it's fine. It's not. It's not the worst. Could you have some relevant coursework in there that's specific around finance?
Intern 5: [00:33:00] Yeah, I do have so many classes.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:33:02] So yeah, I would do some of that, like economics, anything around financial statements, M&A options, futures, derivative, anything financing. I'd get that in there. How about jobs when you were at community college or when you're doing other stuff? Did you have a part time job?
Intern 5: [00:33:19] Actually not, because I just focusing on full time studies and was not really prepared for that.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:33:24] No, that's fine. But did you. I'm just trying to I'm just trying to see, like for for your four years? Or was it four years? Yeah, for your four years at Georgetown. How about, like, let me see. Professional experience? Yep. Okay, great.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:33:37] Principal CFO.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:33:42] This is great. Yeah, a lot of great leadership, professional experience for somebody who hasn't graduated yet. Oh, and you were a tutor.
Intern 5: [00:33:55] Yep.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:33:56] Great. So to get this on a one line or to sorry, get this on a one page, I think obviously this will help get here to this. The awards I think need to be, especially if it's just Dean Dean's list like you can literally put that like. Your GPA? Unfortunately, yeah. You got on Dean's list three times and Dean's list once. Right. But it's. It's something that all this is doing is like giving me more attention to your GPAs. Right?
Intern 5: [00:34:28] Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:34:28] So, like, I actually think just even just getting rid of this is probably better for you because. Yeah, the GPA. Virginia was great, but they're going to care more about the Georgetown GPA. So I think you want to get away from anything really. And people know Dean's list. This is just.
Intern 5: [00:34:45] Gpa, merit, right? Yes, I.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:34:48] Think everybody knows that. So just get rid I'd get rid of that for awards unless you have something specific. I would I remove that? I think your professional experience looks the most impressive so far. Right. Um. So I would focus on that. So. Finance Research Analyst. This is good. Again, I would highly recommend you look at these bullets, how we did this. If you can get if you're looking for banking, getting the financial modeling valuation courses listed on your resume, over 200 hours of self study data, getting that here at the top experience is going to actually pay a lot of dividends in terms of you landing more interviews. But you need it and you need to get that listed up there. And so this is this is all, again, on the top of the Slack group I highly and the and the I think Nabil did we link the actual resume template as well so people can use that If not, can we link them? I think it's linked.
Nabil: [00:35:49] It's not linked.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:35:50] It's not like we can drop it here.
Nabil: [00:35:52] It's on Slack.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:35:54] It's also under the resources. If you just go to the go to the website Wall Street dot com and you hover over resources. There's something that says about making resume template right there. You can just grab it from there too. So if you yeah if you add that. So this is this is actually a really interesting so state corpse logistics so you you landed this in if you've been working in Afghanistan right.
Intern 5: [00:36:19] Yeah this was where I was born and grew.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:36:22] Right. This was prior to you coming to the US.
Intern 5: [00:36:24] Yeah. As before 1015.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:36:27] Got it. So I think for this, let's put it.
Intern 5: [00:36:36] As a small business, I co-founded a business, so I was able to get some awards from the U.S. government. And.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:36:44] Yeah. How much were the contracts for? Can you put that in or you're allowed to. Or is it not impressive?
Intern 5: [00:36:58] They're meeting my component.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:37:00] So you might want to consider putting that in and the length of the contracts. This is.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:37:09] Like how.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:37:10] I think it's going to be tough for people to get over. The fact that you have like. How many years of experience you've like five years of experience before you went to school? Undergrad in the US.
Intern 5: [00:37:25] It's kind of I think it's making it a relevant experience because I'm applying for most like banking jobs and this is kind of contracting.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:37:33] It's contracting. It shows good leadership, but like it almost screams like, you should be an associate because you're a manager managing people. Right. And so the fear of people interviewing you for an analyst role is he's he's not going to want to be at the bottom.
Intern 5: [00:37:50] Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:37:51] You almost have to assure them that you're not around that or you're not scared about that. Um, you could almost do you could almost combine these. It's the same. Is it the same company?
Intern 5: [00:38:08] I'm not. Not. They're different.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:38:10] Not what.
Intern 5: [00:38:11] I said. They are different.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:38:13] State courts, logistics and state courts incorporation. Did you create them both?
Intern 5: [00:38:17] No, no. I was working the first one and the CEO was kind of my friend and I asked him, Can I use legacy Corpse and kind of bring another license under State Corpse Logistics? And he agreed to that. I opened my own understood Corpse logistics trademark.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:38:33] Got it. So, I mean, you might want to combine it's kind of similar type work. You might want to just combine them for simplicity for the reader, since you're doing similar type work, right?
Intern 5: [00:38:44] Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:38:45] So it might be better just to not complicate it, just to have one of the names and just have it like your first your contracting option. You're maybe you could say you're promoted to principal and CFO, so it looks good. Instead, instead of getting into like, the fact that he's your buddy and he just helped you. No proposal deadlines. Yeah, because, like, a lot of this stuff is good. I think any more you can quantify this proposal. Deadlines is kind of vague. Successfully coordinated submissions and collections. How many? What's the budget? How did you improve things? How did you actually have an impact yourself? Can you quantify it at all for me?
Intern 5: [00:39:24] Yeah, I can quantify them.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:39:26] Yeah, definitely quantify more like studied RPI. How many what did that lead to? What was the outcome? So like, you should think of every single bullet, like, here's what I did, All right, here's what it did, what it means, and here's the outcome. Of what I did. And the more specific you can get and the more impressive it can be around the specific numbers of what you did, the better it's going to look and the more believable it's going to look like. The fact that you said two contracts actually makes me like, really like, hang on to that and be like, okay, cool. Well, was that impressive? Like, I don't know. You know, it's hard for me to know. So like, kind of talking a little bit more of like one to contrast that increased revenue by 30% year over year, the fastest run rate in the history of the whatever, the 20 year Corp, whatever, you know, Do you know what I mean? Something a little bit more like I can grab the company.
Intern 5: [00:40:19] The company where I worked as a contracting officer was from 2010. 15 was the biggest US government contractor back in Afghanistan. It was kind of competing with AECOM and some other literature and some I for, I don't know like to some other companies. Yeah. For that them So yeah. So you had like 40 projects they were like all worth like 300 million.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:40:43] Yeah. So like, I think you give me some of that, those numbers, give me some of that meat on there that shows that like you were involved with that and responsible helping, helping lead that company or helping at least help the growth there. I'm not saying to pretend like you were CEO or anything, but just try to try to show what your contribution to that impressive.
Intern 5: [00:41:04] Growth like sense.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:41:06] And then like academic tutoring like this is great, but I think this should be mostly like in a. That could this academic tutoring experience. You could almost. I think it's actually really good to maybe help strengthen some of your educational sections. Because was this during. Yeah. This is while you're at Georgetown or. No.
Intern 5: [00:41:33] That kind of community college at Georgetown. I had a bad time. I had a concussion. So I was that's why my GPA has dropped.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:41:40] But you had what?
Intern 5: [00:41:42] I had an accident, so I had a concussion. And that's why my GPA dropped and I was under some mental health issues.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:41:50] Okay. Um. Yeah. Don't use that excuse during an interview. Just so you know.
Intern 5: [00:41:59] I'm being honest.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:42:00] Yeah, I think that's good. But, like, even if it's the truth, I think it's better to say, Oh, I had some family family stuff, or I had to help take care of family members or whatever. You yourself, just because I feel like if there's still a lot of there's still a lot of bias around that. I think it's totally valid. But I don't want to hurt your ability to land the job. Right. So they're going to be nervous. Like, is it still around? What's the aftereffect? What's going on? Right. So it's going to make me nervous. Right.
Intern 5: [00:42:30] Thanks for the tip.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:42:31] So, yeah, so just be careful on that. But yeah, I think I think it would be good to have the tutoring up under maybe North Virginia here. Tutor tutored 20. To tutor over 40 and 40 students across statistics, macroeconomics, managerial accounting, microeconomics and financial accounting.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:42:53] Is.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:42:54] One line under their. Under your North Virginia.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:43:00] Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:43:01] One bullet. And I think if you do all those things, I think it's going to be a little bit stronger, especially the stuff where you're getting more of the valuation. And then I don't know if you have extra volunteer experience like additional information down here. I think you can put your your language skills down under there. Okay. Language fluency, I put that. Like here. Modeling. I'd hit it again. Based on what you said in the internship, but I literally listed again, valuation, help me modeling DCF, whatever you are studying, I think you want to show that you're proficient in the proper tools. Excel PowerPoint. If you have if you have it, don't listen if you don't know it, because they're going to call you out on it and then try to try to have something around interest. So do you like riding cycling?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:43:52] Now.
Intern 5: [00:43:53] When you get an idea, try to have try to have a little bit more of a well-rounded. Show them a little bit about your personality. What else do you like to do?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:44:00] Oh. Okay.
Intern 5: [00:44:03] I have a reaction, but not always the chairs and stuff.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:44:07] You have a what?
Intern 5: [00:44:09] I have an addiction of chess playing chess.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:44:11] Oh, perfect.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:44:14] That would be great under Idris. Especially. Give me more. More specific. Do you like speed chess? Or certain certain type of chest not.
Intern 5: [00:44:23] Yeah, it's rapid. Yes. It's like.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:44:27] That's awesome. That's awesome. Put that.
Intern 5: [00:44:29] Okay, great. Yeah, it's perfect.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:44:33] I hopefully that was helpful and helpful.
Intern 5: [00:44:35] Thank you very much.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:44:36] For your time. Thank you. Thank you.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:44:38] I last. Uh, says I finished five articles and now working as a preliminary editor. However, I'm not planning to take the courses until I finish my internship. Is it okay to do so? Yeah. It's totally up to you when you want to take the courses. We were just talking about specifically, like when you should actually include it. Like, should you include it or not? I don't even know if I'm still here, but for those of you thinking about the timing. Yeah, there's no time restriction in terms of when you need to take the courses or not. Anything else, Any any questions on those reviews? Any disagreements? People think, no, you're wrong.
Intern 6: [00:45:21] I just wanted to ask for one of the articles I'm doing right now. It's about the difference between getting fired and getting laid off and one of the interns who's writing about who's giving resume advice and stuff, or how to explain being laid off or whatnot. And first of all, you know, I would not know you in the Society for the People I can think to ask, but what is the CEO's take on that? Because he gave a ton of resume advice and whatnot, but I don't know if it's consistent with what WSO would say and I don't want him to write something in the article that isn't, for example, what the resumes would do. Is there someone I should ask specifically or.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:46:01] I don't think on the resume you should be like. Extrapolating like trying to explain why a job ended unless there starts to become a large gap between like when you're applying. So like eventually you have to ideally you're looking for a job before you lose your job, right? And they give you a little bit of head up. But if that's not the case in your in your laid off because of whatever company wide layoffs, I don't think you want to have that negative association on your resume at all. I think you just want to put the date. And then since you're not just dropping your resume into a black hole, you're talking to people about your candidacy. I think that's in those messages. That's when you say I was I was laid off in the company wide job cuts here did it if I was kind of an aside but more about like you're really interested in thing and should be should be more positive about what you could how you can add value to a specific company and not like featuring or apologizing the layoff.
Intern 6: [00:47:02] If you see.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:47:02] If you're fired, it's even more so, like, delicate.
Intern 6: [00:47:08] You should say to Mr. Curtis, But he says some of the advice is like, just don't say you were fired. Or like one of them it was contradicting because he took it for two sources. So one of them was like, You have to be honest about it. And another one was like, Just lie. I don't feel like you should lie. Maybe that just me know. Yeah. And see that and throw it out.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:47:29] No, you don't. So I think so. I mean, this was. This is relevant to me. I mean, I was. I was let go fired from my first job in private equity. So, I mean, what I did is I listed the job. But my responsibility is like anything else. And then I had to have an end date, Right? And then that didn't stop me from getting interviews. Then people ask me, Why are you leaving? At that point, you have to say, Well, it didn't work out culturally, and you have to come up with the story of whatever happened now. My my situation was a little bit tricky because I wasn't even sure why. So I had to talk about, well, it didn't seem they felt like my skill set was better suited for investment banking. So it raised some red flags and it made it really difficult for me to get my next job. But I absolutely would not. I mean, you shouldn't. You number one, you can't just hide a job, especially over there for more than several months, because then you have a huge gap in your resume. It almost looks worse If you were there for like a year or two, what are you going to say? Like you never were there? That doesn't make.
Intern 6: [00:48:25] Any sense, right?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:48:26] So that's kind of silly to say it never happened. Like to pretend like it ever happened. You don't have to say like. You know, legally most places, at least in the US, they can't say like, oh, they were let go for cause or for like if there was no cause, they can't be like, Oh. They are horrible or whatever, don't hire them. Typically what'll happen is if you leave and they want to pay you like.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:48:53] A.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:48:54] Some sort of bonus to leave, you typically have to sign something that's like a non-disparagement clause saying like, Oh, I'm not going to speak ill of the company, blah, blah, blah. And we can we'll confirm that your dates you work here and blah, blah, blah. But I think the best thing you can do is almost get on the same page with the previous employer and say, okay, but can the can the actual talking points be that culturally, culturally, or was it a good fit with this? Or like the types of deals I wanted to do didn't really match up with the type of deals we were doing. There wasn't enough that kind of match it up. So it's almost like more of a mutual decision. I think that's fine to do to help you land back on your feet, but it should be done with the former employer. Almost like negotiating with the former employer so that you have your story straight when you're going to apply to new places. Because what you don't want to do is kind of like. Cut off that communication, not have something worked out, and then specifically have to go to the market with reference checks going to the old company and there there being very, very much. Yes, yes. He or she worked here for these exact dates. And that's all I can share, right?
Intern 6: [00:50:01] Oh yeah, that sounds bad. And it's like, what did he what did he or she do?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:50:05] Oh, my goodness. Were they like stealing from the company? You know, stuff like that. Right. So I think for. It's a very tricky kind of thing to do. I wouldn't I mean, I don't think you can lie. I think you can get on the same page of like reasons why you are let go. If it's a company wide layoff, it's easier. I don't think you put that on the resume, but I think that's easy to talk to. It's like, oh, I got caught up in the layoffs here because of this and that. It still doesn't look good because why were you the 10% that got cut? But it's it's more understandable if that's that's you know what I mean? If that's.
Intern 6: [00:50:41] I see. So for cases like that, should they if there's a good reason they can find should they give it, should they be like, oh you know, maybe we had a merger and they already had their own customers service department. They made us redundant but I.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:50:54] Wouldn't put that in a resume. I think anybody I think anybody that's doing research will know that the company was recently acquired and suspect probably something like that happened. And then in your since you're not just dropping your resume off in a black hole of online applications and you're actually following up and asking to talk to people with their first questions like, Well, why are you leaving? Did it? I'd be like, Well, actually I was I was one of the 10% I was in in the layoffs that recently happened with the merger. So that's why I'm looking for new role. It's just like that. And that's that's much better way to go about it versus like featuring it or calling attention to it. Try to just make what you did there more tangible. I mean, the best thing you can do is make the actual bullets and the experience stand out and show that you actually had an impact.
Intern 6: [00:51:40] Awesome. Thank you so much. That answers a lot of my questions. And now I can actually use that to the section. Good. Good.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:51:46] I'm glad it's helpful. Thank you for being so diligent on the editing. Yeah, go ahead.
Intern 7: [00:51:53] Hey, so this is a, like, related to internship. So there are, like, hundreds of articles that are being reviewed by either nice editors or chief editors, but still kind of the interns, I think, already left. So we don't know who is there and who is not there. And it's kind of difficult to find those people like and I don't know how the process take, like how they can access the courses or how you can make it something like difficult for I know it's kind of going to be troublesome for some interns, but this WCA is our home, so we want to be honest to it and we don't want to have like, like thousands of, like, articles waiting for our kind of interns reviews or stuff. So I think we have to be proactive and reactive and kind of preventing that problem in the future. So are we going to have like a list of interns giving to the chief editors to know who is there and who is not? So if not, the chief editors can kind of apply all those edits and put it.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:52:58] In the bio. And Josh have been kind of calling out when someone's leaving soon to try and get those edits done first. And the editing team has actually been doing a great job of reducing the number of edits that are waiting. It still doesn't mean we've fully gotten through the bottleneck that we had earlier in the summer. So yeah, we actually we're we're trying our best to get more people moved to the uploads into the editing, although the uploads is actually a bigger bottleneck right now than the or the editing. But yeah, we still I think there's, there's specific rules around like if it's been sitting in prelim review or ready for upload for I think over two weeks and the credits given for that article anyways. So we're still giving the interns the.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:53:36] Rewards.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:53:37] Based on if they finish and they haven't, all the articles haven't been reviewed. All those rewards are still given.
Intern 7: [00:53:44] And what are we going to do for that? Because if, if an intern left, like in many.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:53:48] Areas, editors will have to take take that on. The editors that come in have to take that on and help edit it and improve it.
Intern 7: [00:53:55] I was just thinking, if we can give a list of interns that already left and editors will know who left so the editors can act and do that. And so an editor.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:54:04] Like that's a good point to be like thoughts on like would it be possible to do that? Do we have a list of like. Or is that.
Intern 7: [00:54:12] Is that completed? So there's two things, right? So what do editors do now is message them. And then usually if they're not in the internship, they're not in the slot group. And if you don't get a reply in a couple of days, just fix the article, basically. Yeah. In terms of like the list? I don't know. There's a privacy thing, too. It's the list on the track of the application form. Patrick. Not sure if we can.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:54:44] Yeah, we don't want to send that out, but we could potentially send ones that people have finished, like successfully finished or stopped.
Intern 7: [00:54:50] Completed?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:54:51] Yeah. And it's.
Nabil: [00:54:52] Completed. Yeah. And then the ones of who've left, you're probably not going to find them on Slack so often. On Slack they probably have completed here or left. Yeah.
Intern 7: [00:55:01] That's a nice way of doing it. Yeah. I'm just interested in finalising the articles and kind of bringing in new.
Nabil: [00:55:08] Right.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:55:10] So I would I would use those kind of that framework to try and determine it. But tonight, your question.
Intern 7: [00:55:17] Yeah, it's not that relevant, but I just want to know why monkeys.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:55:24] Have it on my shirt. Even on my shirt. There is a famous book called Monkey Business from back in, like, I think the early 2000s, which was a first hand account of what it was like to be an investment banking analyst. And I think I read that either right before or right after my analyst. And I was I thought it was hilarious. It was a really funny book. And so I think people around the industry would call the analyst monkeys and stuff like that. So that's kind of when we were creating community initially in 2006 said, Let's make it monkeys, let's make it funny, like kind of like monkey business. And that's how, that's how we did it. We had made it a fun theme.
Intern 7: [00:56:03] Got it. Thank you.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:56:05] You're welcome. I highly recommend the book, by the way. Let me see if I can find it. Monkey business. I'm going on Amazon. I'll link to it right now. You know, you'll have a have a good laugh. Let's see. It's this one swinging through the Wall Street jungle. Right. To everyone.
Intern 7: [00:56:29] Here. There's the book.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:56:37] So you can ask them why monkeys? Um. Yeah, it's a classic. Any. Any other questions or thoughts? Well, almost exactly an hour. Hopefully that was helpful. Yeah. Hope to see you guys again next week. If or actually next week I'll be out but the week after and add any questions that come. With the meantime, hit us up on Slack or email and we'll be we'll be around. Thanks so much, everybody. Oh, Sarah. Oh, that's a thumbs up. Okay. See you later, everybody. And thanks to you, my listeners at Wall Street Oasis, If you have any suggestions whatsoever, please don't hesitate to send them my way. Patrick at Wall Street Oasis. And till next time.
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