WSO Podcast | E222: The Interest Section on Your Resume Matters (Weekly Intern Meetup #18)
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Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:00:06] Hello and welcome. I'm Patrick Curtis, your host and chief monkey. And this.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:00:11] Is.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:00:11] The Wall Street Oasis podcast. Join me as I talk to some of the community's most successful and inspirational members to gain valuable insight into different career paths.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:00:20] And life in general. Let's get to it.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:00:25] Another interesting chat with the interns. If you're interested in applying to the internship, please check out the show notes. There's a link right there.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:00:31] Enjoy.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:00:37] How we got here? We have a guest. I'm not sure who that is. Aren't your angels here? Oliver's here. Told us here. All right. We got nearly. Adedayo is here. How's everybody doing this week? People excited for the weekend. So if anybody, I think we'll just do this similar to how we typically do it. We will see if anybody has any questions specifically around the internship and then kind of move it to either resume reviews. And or career advice. If I can give you any. So. Yeah. Welcome to the weekly intern chat, everybody. If you have for the people who haven't been here before, it's basically a very pretty informal way for us to kind of just see if I can help help you guys out, answer any questions. So we'll start it out. I think people will probably be straggling in. That's usually what happens for the first 5 minutes. There's a lot of people kind of hitting the waiting room, but I'll try to let them in as they come to start off. Any questions specifically around the internship self? And I know some of you may be here. Not actually started yet, but you're still welcome to be here, even if you start date is in the future. Is everyone back in school? What's what's going on there? Anybody have questions around that? I think. Totally. You were here last week, right? Or no? Yes. Okay, cool. So there was somebody else that was on from last week that wanted a resume review. Does anybody want? Anybody want me to review the resume on this call this week to help out? Or is there anybody I mean, you can we can anonymize it to. You can send it to me over the Slack chat. I'm happy to. I'm happy to kind of remove your name and stuff like that and just review it here.
Intern 1: [00:02:40] Can I email to you?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:02:42] Yeah, you can email it or yeah, you can send it to Patrick at Wall Street Oasis dot com. Hi, Dana. Yeah, The recording will be provided. Tanja says you'd like to get his resume reviewed. Go ahead and send it to me if you can send it the word version to me over Slack. That's the easiest way to go about it, because then I can pull it up on my screen faster. I'll get word up and get it ready. So let me know once you send that to me. And I will. I will open up. And what we have is the the standard template. I'll show you guys what that is for the Wall Street Oasis template. And then what I like to do is open up. The other resume and kind of compare it. Yeah. My email is I'll send it to everybody here. Uh, Patrick. Or you could just send it here. But it's probably easier if you send it over the. Um, over the chat or over Slack, so I can just open it up when I have to dig out my email. But I can, I can grab it from my email if that's easier. You can send the word version that would be best because then I can kind of edit it as we go. Yeah, we're waiting for that. Joe, why don't you go ahead. You have a career question. Go ahead. You want to unmute yourself?
Intern 1: [00:04:04] Yeah. Hi. Hi. I have two questions, actually. Sure. The first one is on the c V section, The interest section in the C. To what extent do we have to be good at those interests? Because I remember you said that they're going to grill us, and I'm so scared because my hobbies are like, I don't do them professionally, so. Example I wrote Running.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:04:36] Yeah. So I don't think it's that important that you. Ah, like an Olympic athlete or the best in something. That's an interest. But I do think it's important that you don't just list a bunch of generic interests that are kind of like you do. You know what I mean?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:04:57] Yeah, it's more.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:04:58] Interesting if you are specific about certain things, you know what I mean? So like, rather than running, is it like ten K trail running? Is it? You know what I mean? Something that's going to be a little bit more unique like or road races or, you know, having something like you like competing in, I don't know, like ultramarathons, like, obviously insane, but like, you know what I mean? Like completed a marathon or did something that showed you're actually were a runner. It's not like it to put your time's on.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:05:28] There just showing.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:05:30] Something like that. You're you are passionate about it or it might be better to put something else or to have two or three instead of five or six interests. Put two or three that you're really are talk about.
Intern 1: [00:05:41] I, I put painting and reading.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:05:46] So what what type of painting?
Intern 1: [00:05:50] Portraits.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:05:51] So you should put that painting portraits in acrylic oil. What?
Intern 1: [00:05:57] Mm hmm. Acrylic and watercolor.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:06:01] Okay, So I think that would be better than having running, having more specific paintings.
Intern 1: [00:06:07] Okay. And what about the reading? Reading? What do you mean? Like if you like books.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:06:16] What type of books do you like?
Intern 1: [00:06:20] Fantasy. But would that be relevant? Like, would they ask me about that?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:06:26] Yeah, they may say, What do you mean, fantasy? Is there a different way to say fantasy? Do you mean like sci fi?
Intern 1: [00:06:33] Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:06:34] Or like, Tolkien type books.
Intern 1: [00:06:38] I will say, my fans, this is kind of like a genre within itself, but when there's like a different world. Yeah, I mean, I read every genre, basically. I read like crime, thriller and other stuff.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:06:53] Mostly non-fiction. It seems like fiction and nonfiction, so you're kind of doing both. But is there one that you really enjoy the most that you'd be able to share?
Intern 1: [00:06:58] Non-fiction.Definitely.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:06:59] Yeah. So like what? Yeah. What would you be able to have the best conversation around if somebody was like, Oh, I love that too. Would you be able to talk about several books in that genre?
Intern 1: [00:07:07] Definitely.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:07:09] So that's I think put that like a little detail in there rather than it being generic.
Intern 1: [00:07:16] Like fiction reading.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:07:17] Yeah. Fiction. Sci fi novels.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:07:21] Sci fi novels.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:07:23] Could be your interest. And people be like, What do you mean? What books? You better have at least two. And know them.
Intern 1: [00:07:28] Well. Do I do okay. And I have another question. Sure.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:07:35] That's actually a great interest, too, because some people won't care. Like, I would be like, okay, whatever I'd be like. But it might. It might pique my interest to be like, Well, tell me about that book. What did you like about it? Like, you can just say I love, like, the imaginary worlds and.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:07:47] Very.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:07:49] Blah, blah, blah. I think it just shows some personality outside of like, I only want to be a robot in finance.
Intern 1: [00:07:58] Yes. And my second question was, I want to do a masters. And I was thinking of doing a masters in Germany. But I don't really feel like paying €60,000 per year. So my question is, does it really matter if you go to like an expensive and like a very good university, or could you just get a master's at like an okay university?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:08:31] It's a good question. Cost is definitely a very legitimate concern. And so I think. You have to add. To answer that question. First off, there's no like yes or no. It's a good decision, Bad decision. It really is very specific to your situation. So let me give you an example. Of when it would be a good decision. And let me give you an example. One, it might be kind of a poor financial decision. So when you think of Masters or MBAs or any of these these types of.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:09:03] Programs.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:09:04] Typically they're best for people who know they want to get into XYZ industry. So let's use investment banking. Let's say they were at Big four accounting and they are like a small boutique bank, and now they want to go to like a larger bulge bracket. But they've been having issues getting promoted, whatever, whatever it is, the MBA or masters might be a great way to get another shot at like on campus recruiting and get into that that associate level role at a top bank. So in that case, the €60,000 or €100,000 especially could quickly pay off, especially if you were in a role, let's say, where you're making €50,000, and then after that, after you graduate, you're making €120,000. So it's like a €70,000 bump year after year after year.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:09:52] And then you're on a faster trajectory.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:09:53] So in that case, it pays off pretty fast. That being said, like if you're already in a role that pays well, there's a much higher opportunity cost to going to school. There's. So, like, it depends if you have low pay and like it's very hard and like you're in actually a less related thing and it's very hard to get a pivot into that or to show people that you're serious about it. That's when the master's is actually the most valuable to you if you can get into a good program. Right?
Intern 1: [00:10:20] Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:10:21] In those cases. So it's almost like ironic. The people who get in the easiest need at the least. Right. So the other the other thing the other thing really important to look at is not just like, is it good for you based on like the potential career earnings, but is the potential networking opportunities in building out that stronger network? But also, what about that specific school? How are they doing with people like from your profile? How are those people placing?
Intern 1: [00:10:49] Mm hmm.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:10:50] Post-graduation. So, like, before you invest €60,000, I'd hope you'd want to do a lot of research around, like. Well, who had this Masters? What did they have? What was the jobs they had before, and what did they have after?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:11:01] Right.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:11:03] Because that's going to be you. Right. And so that could potentially be you. And so you don't want to be shelling out big dollars without knowing what your investments are going to potentially most likely yield you. That makes sense. Yes. Like, if you're talking, it's very different If you're talking like in the US. I'll talk to the US because I know it. If you're talking like a Wharton, you know, a Stanford and HBS. That's very different from if you're talking like something way down, like a like a michigan state or something. I'll just say like MBA or something like that. I mean, just think it's just not the same. You're not going to get as many opportunities at the. Um, it doesn't mean that it's not still a good move for a lot of people that like, maybe there they are working for a company that's like, Hey, we want you to get your MBA before we promote you to senior VP in corporate. And so for that, it still makes sense for them. But yeah, so I guess it depends on the school. I don't know the German masters market that well. But, you know, I would I would want to talk to people who've graduated from that program and and.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:15] Talk to the.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:15] Career center. But just take anything they give you with a grain of salt because they're going to put it in the best possible light.
Intern 1: [00:12:20] Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:22] And they may give you kind of broader metrics like, oh, we you know, 95% of our graduates have a job within 90 days after graduation. I'm like, okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:31] That doesn't.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:32] Tell you that.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:33] Much.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:35] The job they wanted is a pay raise. Is it a you?
Intern 1: [00:12:39] Mm hmm.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:40] I think a lot of these companies, a lot of these call them companies, but they're kind of companies, schools.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:45] Companies are actually.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:47] Tracking a lot of this stuff now. So you may be surprised what you can get.
Intern 1: [00:12:51] Okay, I'll. I'll research that. Thank you.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:54] Yeah, but, yeah, I definitely think about it before going out. What's your target and where are you right now? Maybe I can give you a little bit more specific advice.
Intern 1: [00:13:01] I'm in Greece right now, but I was thinking of going to Germany because I wanted to maybe live there and work there.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:13:10] Mm hmm. And. I guess there's a couple considerations. One is I don't know what the work visa like. Are you just since it's like you're basic and just go in and it's fine, There's no work visa issues.
Intern 1: [00:13:26] I'm not EU because I'm from Serbia.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:13:29] You're from Serbia. Okay, so.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:13:30] That's something you want to look into. Like.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:13:33] What's the place for kids that are not you? They can get. Are they able.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:13:37] To get a job?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:13:39] Um, in Germany. You know what I mean? Because.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:13:42] Yeah, let me say.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:13:43] Yeah. 95%. Guess what? 80% of the people that weren't part of the EU ended up having to go move back home.
Intern 1: [00:13:51] Uh huh.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:13:52] And that that 60,000 year is going to be very painful. And if you're not able to get a higher, relatively higher paying.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:13:59] Job in the in.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:14:01] The country that you went to study in.
Intern 1: [00:14:04] Mm hmm.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:14:06] So beware. Buyer beware.
Intern 1: [00:14:10] Okay. Thank you.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:14:11] And you're welcome. Let's see what else I got. Tola, I got your resume. I have it here. I don't.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:14:21] See.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:14:22] Somebody else. So they sent a resume.
Intern 2: [00:14:26] To me, I sent you my resume, Nelly.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:14:28] Dg. I think a bunch of people did. Did you send it to me over email?
Intern 2: [00:14:33] Gmail? Yeah, Gmail.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:14:34] Okay. Let me see if I can pull it up. Did you also.
Intern 3: [00:14:36] Get my resume? I sent you the word docs on Slack.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:14:41] Yeah, I got yours. Let me download this and open it. I will start here. Don't worry. We'll get to at least a couple today.
Intern 3: [00:14:48] Okay. Sure. Yeah. I guess I.
Intern 3: [00:14:51] Could introduce myself. Yeah.
Intern 3: [00:14:53] My name is Tangela. I'm currently a senior at Baruch College.
Intern 3: [00:14:56] I guess one of my mission right now is to get, like, a full time opportunity. And I just.
Intern 3: [00:15:01] Have some general question in terms of, like, networking. Yeah. When you're on.
Intern 3: [00:15:06] When you're on, like, the phone call with, like, let's say, campus recruiters or.
Intern 3: [00:15:10] Recruiters or professionals.
Intern 3: [00:15:12] In general.
Intern 3: [00:15:12] Right?
Intern 3: [00:15:13] How can you tell if you made a really good.
Intern 3: [00:15:16] Impression and like, how can you make sure that connection stays strong?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:15:22] It's a really good question. So how can you tell? Takes time and practice to really know. Like picking up. It's harder on the phone because you can't see facial expressions and body language, but you can kind of tell based on pauses, based on excitement, stuff like that, in terms of how they're responding to what you're saying. But it's almost like you should care about that. But. You know, at the end of the day, if after you've said something, whether you did a good job or you didn't, it's done. It's over to shoot, almost. Just be looking like just continually improve and not try to judge yourself, if that makes sense based on your performance. Because it's almost like you're putting so much pressure on yourself to figure out if they liked you or not. I think what's more important is that you just show a passion for the for the industry. You show a passion for like the roles that they're that they're trying to fill. And usually that'll come across pretty well. Let's take a quick dive into your resume. So tell me what the situation is right now. So you're graduating in nine months.
Intern 3: [00:16:33] 20, 20, 23, June 2023,
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:16:34] And you've had a couple internships, it looks like.
Intern 3: [00:16:35] Yeah, I try to keep.
Intern 3: [00:16:36] My resume a little.
Intern 3: [00:16:38] Bit general and broad just because I.
Intern 3: [00:16:41] Just want to get into a really good company. I know that after two years I want to be.
Intern 3: [00:16:47] Able to switch my roles and actually.
Intern 3: [00:16:49] Like, you.
Intern 3: [00:16:50] Know.
Intern 3: [00:16:51] Like keep switching roles until, like, you know.
Intern 3: [00:16:54] I could find a spot. Where I'm, like, satisfied with that role.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:16:55] And do you say that on these calls?
Intern 3: [00:17:00] I don't really see that on the call. I just tell them that, you know, like as a as a junior associate, I want to be able to be flexible.
Intern 3: [00:17:08] In terms of moving up the ladders.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:17:11] Yeah. So it's a little bit you don't want to give off that impression that you're looking to jump frequently because that can be a red flag in terms of like they call it a flight risk. Okay. Yeah. So when they ask you why this industry, why this company, which are very common questions. And like, so like why, for example, let's say you're interviewing for like. Under an equity research position. Why? Equity research? You want to be talking about like how your analytical, how you love looking at companies in ten KS and ten, cuz then they're going to ask you like, what companies have you analyzed? You better be ready, right? They're going to ask you like are like you like looking at valuation and understand like doing that sort of almost like what's it called.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:17:58] The.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:17:59] Detective work, right? Then there's like the investment banking. You should be like, Well, I'm looking to learn a lot and develop skills that I know will serve me for a long time throughout my career. And I know an analyst program is a great, great way to do that, blah, blah, blah. And I'm looking at where do I see myself in five years? I see myself hopefully getting promoted at the bank and moving up through the associate ranks. And that's something they like to hear because they have a huge attrition problem. So what they don't want to hear is, well, I know it's a great launching pad, banking is great, has a lot of great exit opportunities. I can jump to private equity or other do other things after a couple of years, because then that's like confirming their fears of like, oh, he's not really in it. He's not really passionate about this job. He just likes what he can give him, whether it's money or exit ops or any of this stuff. Does that make sense?
Intern 3: [00:18:54] Yeah. Yeah, it does make sense. I thought it was already given just because, like, it's just a. Junior role and they know that.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:18:57] They know that you want to show, like, a passion for that role specifically and like the stories you give. So, like. This is the important part of the behavioral thing that a lot of people overlook. Everyone studies the technical questions because they want to make sure they get the valuation questions right. Walk me through the DCF, all this stuff. When people don't realize how weak their behavioral questions are. Walk me through your resume. Why investment banking? Why this company? Why? Why UBS? Why JPMorgan? Why Goldman Sachs? Why they're going to have similarities, But you should be very specific about them when you know you're going into an interview for specific fund or bank or firm, you should know about that firm. You should know what their core mission is, how it resonates with you. You should be able to point those things out to show that you've done.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:19:50] Your homework. Before going in. That makes sense.
Intern 3: [00:19:51] Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:19:56] Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:19:57] So, like. Um. Your resume overall, just quick impressions. Looks like it's formatted pretty nicely. Is there a reason you don't have your GPA on here? Is it low below three, like 3.2? But yeah, it's going to I don't yeah, borderline. So that's going to be your that's going to be tough because you're a non target. Plus the GPA is kind of borderline. So this can be really hard. Um, to get into like the top, the top most competitive roles. That being said.
Intern 3: [00:20:36] That's why I was thinking. About just trying, like, consulting for, like, maybe like one of those top four firms.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:20:42] Just because contracted McKinsey, sizable McKinsey, Bain, BCG are just as competitive as banking roles, if not more all. They're super hard to get into. You have to be an expert at case interviews. It takes a ton of preparation. Yeah. So that's not a backup for safety by any means. It should be a realistic goal for me. On. Um, I think like a big four, like if you can show that. I mean, you don't have accounting so much, but you have a lot of, like, business and let's see, real estate. Um, I'm just looking through your real quickly. I'm seeing. Redwood Capital Management. So you're doing like. Trade offs, trade settlement, that's like more middle office back office type work.
Intern 3: [00:21:29] Right.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:21:31] So that might be something. Where they give you, they'd give you a shot. America needs you. Goldman Sachs Insight Series Participant. So like a lot of things here, I think overall, just looking at all your bullets, I barely even see one number throughout this entire resume. Oh, so there should be, like, numbers to like everywhere and everywhere and anywhere you can quantify. Quantify. Quantify. Quantify. Quantify. Quantify. Quantify. I'll say 1000 times. You're like, How am I supposed to quantify math tutor? How many people did you tutor?
Intern 3: [00:22:06] That makes sense.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:22:08] How many monthly check ins? How? What do you mean? Surpass learning goals? How many of them surpass learning goals? What was the outcome? What was the result of the work you did, not just your responsibilities. So sorry I get crazy on this stuff because I see the same errors over and over and over and over again. And I call them errors because this is the one document that gets you a chance, gives you a chance to get an interview. And you have very, very, very little.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:22:36] Room for.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:22:37] Any sort of weakness on your resume given the no GPA on here and a non target school. Now, you have one huge thing going for a year in New York.
Intern 3: [00:22:47] Correct.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:22:48] You have that going for you, which is a huge advantage. So what I'll say is. If you can get your resume tightened up, showing a lot more quantification like, oh, I'm wrong. You had one number raise AK. That's good. Okay. But your point is like, oh, no, you won 130 students. You did it a few times here. But just get more. Give me more of that. And I think that it'll make it better. Um. How about G matters or any entrance exams that you took? Did you do any do well on any of those?
Intern 3: [00:23:26] Ah, I don't think so.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:23:28] Did you take any of those? Like, I can't remember what the entrance exam is for.
Intern 1: [00:23:33] Like Jerry?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:23:35] Yeah. Jerry Or SAT or whatever.
Intern 3: [00:23:40] No, my SAT wasn't the best, so.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:23:40] It wasn't good. So, yeah, so that's that's the tough part is you can't, like, offset a low GPA with the high SAT. So, like. It's really going to be a game of. So what happened here where you did three years at CUNY and then you transferred?
Intern 3: [00:23:58] Oh, yeah, I did two years at City College and then. Transferred to college.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:24:01] And what's your GPA? Higher at City?
Intern 3: [00:24:04] No, not really. It's just like 3.2 on both.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:24:08] And so they're going to maybe ask you, like, what was the struggle? Why? Why do you think you weren't able to get a higher grades in those classes?
Intern 3: [00:24:18] Yeah, I guess I could say like. Like I'm a person that gets involved a lot.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:24:22] What does that mean?
Intern 3: [00:24:25] Like, I like to keep myself busy by joining.
Intern 3: [00:24:26] Clubs and activities and. Yeah.
Intern 3: [00:24:29] I just saw.
Intern 3: [00:24:30] Like, more of a.
Intern 3: [00:24:32] More of like, interest towards like.
Intern 3: [00:24:36] Like professional development. So like academia development.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:24:40] But I'm not seeing a ton of that. I do see some courses here, but like. I think this this, this internship will help you open doors and potentially get more interviews. Which internship did Debbie So internship. Oh, yeah. So add that. Yeah, definitely Add that. Maybe take away.
Intern 3: [00:25:01] Yeah. Which one should I take?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:25:04] I mean, these like global sex, virtual insights and American needs to fill an ambassador like these are kind of it's a lot of space. Founding father of that's kind of cool. Yeah I would keep that because that's like you were you launched it, you know?
Intern 3: [00:25:21] Yeah. Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:25:23] Um, so I think that's cool. That's cool. American research, Educational knowledge. Treasurer So this is all good, but like, you don't necessarily need to like. I have two bullets on each of these. You might want to just like billiards. What type of billiards?
Intern 3: [00:25:40] Just like pool. But with the interest.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:25:43] But are there different types of pool?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:25:45] Are there different types of pool?
Intern 3: [00:25:46] I think so.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:25:47] But philosophy?
Intern 3: [00:25:50] Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:25:50] What type of philosophy of philosophy in general?
Intern 3: [00:25:56] I just like, yeah, I just like to talk. About things, I guess. Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:25:59] Okay. Well, you got to have to know better, better answers than that in your interview. You better get you better be ready to be specific.
Intern 3: [00:26:06] Get.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:26:10] Yeah, just quantify more and then your huge advantage. And because your resume is not going to open a lot of doors for you, even though it's formatted actually pretty well. But your huge advantage is going to be in New York. So it's getting to talk with people, other other alums from CUNY or their public schools. Okay. And that means like setting up as many calls and as many coffee chats as you can in the city.
Intern 3: [00:26:39] Right. Yeah, that's what I've been doing. That's what I like. The question that arose in the beginning.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:26:43] Was, Well, how do you feel? How have you been meeting.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:26:44] People for.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:26:45] Coffee?
Intern 3: [00:26:47] Kind of. Just like on a phone.
Intern 3: [00:26:48] Call and like Zoom calls, but not really Coffee chats?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:26:50] Yeah, it'd be great if you could start meeting them up. Yeah. And develop more of a personal connection. I know it's intimidating, but it's important. You're going to have to get used to it anyways. It's. You're doing interviews face to face now, Right? So.
Intern 3: [00:27:08] And would you say that I should dress kind of like business casual with. Sure.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:27:12] Yeah. Business casual. Or if they're in a suit? Probably very few people are in a suit, then suit. But yeah, I think business casual is really good bet.
Intern 3: [00:27:19] All right, that sounds good.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:27:25] Come on. Keep. Keep going. If you want us to check through it, check it again next week. Let me let me know after you've made some edits.
Intern 3: [00:27:35] Yeah, definitely. Thank you so much.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:27:41] Let's see. I got that one from Mode.
Intern 3: [00:27:43] Also, could I ask you on Slack?
Intern 3: [00:27:44] Like, what kind.
Intern 3: [00:27:45] Of bullet point should.
Intern 3: [00:27:46] I add for Was if. I add that in.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:27:48] Yeah. So, yeah, on the top of the Slack group, there's an example. So exactly what to add.
Intern 3: [00:27:51] Oh, thank you so much.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:27:57] Yeah, no worries. And you take yourself off mute if you're here.
Intern 4: [00:28:01] Yes, that is.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:28:03] How are. How are you?
Intern 4: [00:28:04] It said, I'm fine. How are you?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:28:07] Good. So tell me what's going on and where are you in your career?
Intern 4: [00:28:12] You're pursuing my graduation. Your pursuing your final. I am going to. I am going to see my graduation, sir.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:28:27] And where? A deli.
Intern 4: [00:28:30] In Delhi, India.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:28:32] So. I'm not very well. Trapped in giving great advice for jobs in Delhi. So I don't want to give you bad advice. The only thing I'll say is certain bullets like this experience using office. You're not quantifying anything to me. I would use our template from the site to clean it up. So you have an educational section here that's much more clean instead of a grid, because I can't tell if this is okay. Now I see this is 18, 20, 23. I think I'd be much more clear if you had. That listed out. And you can use this template and then just copy from here into here on formatted text. So you keep the grid. See this table? You're not going to see this table when it's printed or sent to PDF. But I would do that because it's going to. It's going to help. So like, for example, this talent acquisition recruiter role. You don't give me any numbers. And this is a one role where you can just give a ton of numbers. How many people are you reaching out to? Every day. What tools are you using? You said experience, office suite and G suite. That's super vague. So is it word PowerPoint? What? What tools are you using? Linkedin. Scheduled and connected group orientation for new hires biweekly. How many hires? Resolve issues as fast as possible. Okay, update database relating to employee. Data base. That's like, This is weird. Update databases related to database. That's just like not good English. And a typo. So this needs to be reread, printed out, reread about ten more times. It needs to be in a better format and you need to quantify a lot more.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:30:38] Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:30:39] Yeah. It's not it's not competitive, at least for I mean, I don't know, there. I mean, I think your grades look very impressive. That's good, from what I can tell. Yeah, but I think coming out of school, I think you're going to need more than that to. To show. Um. To show that. So I would start there and then come back and we'll we'll look at it again. Once you've quantified a lot more, look at the look at the template we have, look at the quality of the bullets here. And look at what we have for Wall Street. This is finance, internship and what you could potentially write if you if you do it. And the strength of those bullets and the length of those bullets compared to what you have.
Intern 4: [00:31:24] All business.Thank you.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:31:26] Yeah, it's fine. No worries.
Intern 5: [00:31:28] I was going to say, I was going to say the design looks nice. I've never seen a resume like that.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:31:34] That's nice of you. I personally think the design is a little bit it's not unprofessional, but it's like you kind of want it to be more clear, clean, like what Tunggal did or what this resume template is. You don't necessarily want gray grey boxes and a lot of like lines on your resume. You want to use white space. So there's different problems. Some people try to fit everything in their life onto one page resume and it's like tiny little font and like I've seen like no margins or like 0.2 margins and like, they're trying to get everything in. To me, that means you don't know what's actually valued for the specific job and you don't know how to prioritize. So like, you've got to make sure you're leaving the proper spacing, the proper building, and that you have it clean even without all that stuff. So let's look at another one here. I'm on. Are you there?
Intern 5: [00:32:32] Yeah. No.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:32:35] This is another PDF. That's harder. Look, I just talked about fitting everything in with no margins. It's hilarious. So first thing I'm want to say is you've got to get some margins on here.
Intern 5: [00:32:51] Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:32:52] And we got to decide where to cut.
Intern 5: [00:32:56] Yeah. Because of recent experiences. I don't know where to start.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:33:02] Yeah, I know. I understand. Let's. Let's talk through it, because it's not an easy decision. Right? So first, tell me your 2024. Okay, great. And you're at a very strong target school. So you have that going for you. Pro bono Consulting,Price water house Coopers. These are all pretty good. So one way to save yourself a tiny bit of space is move to this template that the name way up into the left and gets your get your stuff that'll save you a tiny bit of space. Not much. Let's talk about down here. Uh, here we go. Why don't you consulting leadership, Director of Corporate Relations. How many events.
Intern 5: [00:33:49] Okay. No. I recently lost this position, so.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:33:54] Yeah. University of Toronto Consulting Association Director Don Johnson.
Intern 5: [00:33:59] 20 top rate consulting firms.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:34:06] That's great. By main commerce except consulting association retargeting Management consulting.
Intern 5: [00:34:13] Management consulting and financial advice.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:34:16] B i b i b.
Intern 5: [00:34:20] Corporate restructuring at Deloitte and all that.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:34:23] Stuff. Yeah. So this, this GPA is like again, it's going to be tough, right?
Intern 5: [00:34:27] Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:34:31] Do you have other is there any other metric in here that shows high intellect like entrance score?
Intern 5: [00:34:37] No, I do have high acid profiles, but I don't know if I was supposed to put that in.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:34:42] Yeah, I would put it in, especially with the GPA is how high is 80th or 90th percentile? Over 90th percentile.
Intern 5: [00:34:48] Yeah. So I did that was like 110. And then I did, I said.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:34:54] And what is that Percentile was.
Intern 5: [00:34:56] 210 on 120. So I don't know.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:35:00] The percentile and put that here. So put the total score and put that and it'll hopefully. Um. Kind of offset the GPA a little bit.
Intern 5: [00:35:10] Yeah, I know for sure.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:35:12] The good news is you have a lot of internships, a lot of your involved a lot. Yeah. So let me let me read here. Consulting Lead Director of Finance Innovation Group. So it's all good. I mean, you're quantifying really well, I mean, but you're just you're formatting horrible.
Intern 5: [00:35:34] I know, but that's what I don't know where to cut out Like you're.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:35:37] You have a lot of good stuff and a lot of great bullets here. But this is the exact example of like where you got to have you have to make some tough decisions. So let me let me look at the bottom real quickly. We're in finance Quantitative Modeling, Bloomberg Market, FactSet. So Excel, PowerPoint Finance, Private Equity Deal Process. Financial Modeling. M&a Modeling Academy Divestitures. Man. This is great. Goldman Sachs. Maybe get rid of the telephone razor for UTI?
Intern 5: [00:36:11] Yeah. No.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:36:13] Rational Capital Investment Plan. Senior Analyst. What is this?
Intern 5: [00:36:15] This is the investment fund that you have to invest on. $20,000.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:36:22] Got it? Got it.Okay
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:36:24] Oh, this.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:36:26] Feels like a lot. These two. Are they the same club? One's an innovation group, and one's just in commerce.
Intern 5: [00:36:32] No. So the one that's just wrong. Commerce is like consulting projects that Rothman called mistakes on and then on that it's like student led projects. So students lead the initiative, and I led two of those projects.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:36:48] I think just get rid of this consulting lead and have it all just be under Rotman Commerce like Innovation Group and just have it be under one group.
Intern 5: [00:36:57] Okay. Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:37:02] Let the ten director to the club to budget the financing needed to fund integration, to the pitched diverse events Corporation, dysfunctional to 10th. It's tough. I don't know which one to cut here. Usually it's very easy for me, but you have a lot of like some are stronger bullets, some are stronger names.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:37:20] Yeah. This is like this is strategy and growth.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:37:25] If you're going to be going for consulting, if you're going to be going for consulting, you keep this. If you're going for finance, I would remove the panache trading because you're really your main role with strategy and growth, like UX UI design now, but then you have comparable company analysis. Get rid of. This bullet presented the company's performance pricing this year. It's irrelevant. Um. You get. You need a smaller font for your bullets. You have to have a margin. You can't it's going to get rid of the IBM pro bono. You just started. Until you have something to say there. Um. Capitalize intern here. It's not consistent with the rest. What's the I think you need to get down to two bullets on these developed finance target operation model framework and work on design component of basic project release. See here, notice on here there's no quantification. In these bullets. I think you're I think your bullets here are much stronger, your panache. Are much stronger and the ones are stronger just because it has the percentage increase in how many articles you wrote on specific topics. So like I would almost like want to at least remove one of these bullets to from U.S..
Intern 5: [00:38:56] I got it last.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:38:59] Maybe the last one on SPVs. That's way out of favor, anyways.
Intern 5: [00:39:03] Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:39:04] And people are laughing at SPVs now, so maybe get rid of that, Keep this to one bullet, keep your panache ones and then maybe remove one. I think that last one is pretty cool. I would get rid of this top one. Analyze marketshare lost to Pepsi and new markets because it sounds like. That's like a very like for market research intern. It's pretty. Serious thing. Do you know what I mean?
Intern 5: [00:39:30] No.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:39:32] Like I would just keep these two because it sounds like we're part of a team and get rid of this top bullet. Yeah. You've already. So that saves you a lot of space right there. But the leadership. Let's see what we can get rid of here. Again, I would combine our commerce these into one. So you don't have to rename. Rename it.
Intern 5: [00:39:56] Right.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:39:58] And then you get you get a whole other row there and notice like, this font is smaller than this font.
Intern 5: [00:40:05] Yeah, just squeezing whatever I can. Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:40:08] Yeah. So don't do that. Have it be consistent. I think we have like a nine here or ten. I wouldn't go below ten on anything. Okay. If you. If you're having trouble with technical skill, set it up like you don't need to have port. You don't need to have Microsoft Suite. It's going to be obvious. You already have Excel here. You don't need to say Microsoft. Um. These interests are kind of cool. Um.
Intern 5: [00:40:44] It's actually the not only interest rate also stuff that I've done.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:40:50] Yeah, yeah, I know. Jeeze. You say jeeze. Virtual Insight series. You can get rid of this telephone razor thing. The rational, Rational Capital Investment fund I would keep because it's relevant to pretty relevant. What's G 20 Research Group? What's that?
Intern 5: [00:41:06] That's essentially the G 20 summit that happens every year. So I was just.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:41:12] Feels like you're very you're graduating in two years. You've done all this stuff it just feels like you're touching on a lot of things and just getting yourself involved in everything.
Intern 5: [00:41:21] Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:41:22] Which is maybe why your GPA is suffering.
Intern 5: [00:41:25] Yeah, know. And also last semester in just one semester all. Because of some issues. It went to 2.4 and that one semester. Otherwise, it's really fine. And then that's why.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:41:38] This semester did.
Intern 5: [00:41:39] Yeah. The only one semester wasn't packed.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:41:42] What was your GPA before that semester?
Intern 5: [00:41:44] It was a 3.5. Not that high, but it was decent.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:41:50] Yeah. Get your other scores in there, like I mentioned.
Intern 5: [00:41:55] Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:41:58] There's just competition. There's this, There's that. There's this. It's too much. People are going to see this resume and go like this because it's just too much to take in. And they're not going to know what a lot of these things are anyways. So it's better to like, consolidate. Like this should be. Go. You should have, like, one. Like röttgen. Commerce should be the only thing. And let outreach set up. It should be for this 400 students across Ontario. And then it should be like Project one, Project two under the same thing and get rid of these two.
Intern 5: [00:42:29] Yeah, I can. I can.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:42:30] 1000 is not that impressive. Ten to you led the ten directors. Of course you did. Like, okay, whatever. I think it's just better to say how you're involved and then talk about the specific projects. Projects you led is more. It's better fodder for the interview for you.
Intern 5: [00:42:45] Good.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:42:45] And this looks much more impressive. 600,000 cat. Right.
Intern 5: [00:42:49] Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:42:51] So. So read you that, get it in this type of format. I mean, look.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:42:58] You're you're.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:43:00] Stuffed to the left.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:43:01] Of the.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:43:02] Hey it's like yeah if you showed this to and then what about this thing, this QR code. Why are you putting that there?
Intern 5: [00:43:09] Oh, that leads to my LinkedIn. I thought it'd be pretty cool. So if they just want to see the nectar on the phone. Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:43:16] I wouldn't do it.
Intern 5: [00:43:17] Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:43:19] Yeah. It's just more. It's just more stuff. Your resumes are going to be packed. Even with the cuts we made.
Intern 5: [00:43:25] No. Sounds good. Definitely think about. Thank you.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:43:29] So let me see here. What else do we got? Khadijah, are you there?
Intern 6: [00:43:35] Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:43:36] I. Khadijah. I'm looking at your resume. I'm not going to share it here, but. Couple of things I would try to. Yeah, I try to get it to one page. Okay. You don't need this. This statement at the top used this. Here.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:43:58] Share my screen.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:44:00] Use again. Use our template here. Work experience. These bullets are all. The formatting is just she needs a lot of help.
Intern 6: [00:44:14] Look.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:44:15] Yeah, there's, like, all this extra space.
Intern 6: [00:44:17] It took me, like, three pages.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:44:20] Yeah, it should be one.
Intern 6: [00:44:25] Well. Do you do you think it's better to just put it in one page? Yes. Well, then, like, okay, because I'm new to it.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:44:38] Unless you're the only time I've ever seen. Um. Yeah. Like prepare vendor payments based on the contracts for the IPO. So, like, as an accountant, a trainee, try to give me a little bit more in terms of like numbers and like how many you handle per day, what the results were. Did you help processes, Did you do this, do that rather than just being generic responsibilities?
Intern 6: [00:45:03] One. Okay, sure, I'll do that.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:45:06] And yeah, definitely less bullets. Just just do. The most impressive ones include the most impressive ones. It's not a resume is not a list of things you did at your job. A resume is trying to sketch you an interview, trying to show it's trying to shine a light on your experience and on your background. That's the most flattering, right? Possible. So think of a recruiter. Do they want to read a checklist of all the things you did at your job or they who are they trying to hire? They're trying to hire somebody who's going to be a hard worker, show that they make an impact and care about their job. So what you want to do is try to convey that in your resume, not convey everything, not show everything.
Intern 6: [00:45:47] And how about the GPA? My GPA is 3.34. So should I mention it or no, because. No.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:45:56] I keep it. Keep it.
Intern 6: [00:45:59] Okay. Yeah, I'd keep it.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:46:02] If you can supplement it with other high scores on other standardized tests. Other certifications, that's always good.
Intern 6: [00:46:09] And I wanted to ask about the courses that I have mentioned, important courses. Should I mention them like how it is or remove them?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:46:19] These training courses.
Intern 6: [00:46:22] On the training courses at the top. The first page may main courses.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:46:32] Relevant relevant coursework.
Intern 6: [00:46:33] It's off to education.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:46:35] Yeah. We have it up here in courses.
Intern 6: [00:46:38] Yeah. Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:46:45] You can include it. For sure. I mean, are you looking to get into audit?
Intern 6: [00:46:49] Yeah. Yeah. Something.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:46:51] Yeah. So I would. Yeah, I would definitely. I think you could do it. You have a lot of like, good coursework and all that stuff. You just need to clean up your, your resume for sure. Even little things like this.
Intern 6: [00:47:04] Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): So like, think of this page as like this is the one page where everything has to be perfectly aligned, perfect spacing. Every word matters, right?
Intern 6: [00:47:20] Yes.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:47:23] It is. It is the page you're using to sell.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:47:26] Yourself.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:47:28] To get it and start your career. So it literally has to be dialed in. You should be printing this out ten times, 11 times, 12 times, 15 times with a highlighter, looking at every single line carefully, making sure that there's no errors, There's no there's no misspellings. There's no typos. All the alignment looks perfect, perfectly. All that type of stuff.
Intern 6: [00:47:45] Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:47:52] Um. So let's close that. And if you want me to take a look at once you get it to one page, it's obviously going to be hard for you because you haven't done that before. But if you want to take a look after you've done that, just let me know. We can we can do it again next week. Okay?
Intern 6: [00:48:06] Yes, sir.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:48:09] Greg.
Intern 6: [00:48:11] And also I wanted to ask about the internship, how it's going to be like, do we have classes every week? Every Friday?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:48:19] Yeah, every Friday. We're going to meet for just this call. But it's more of an informal kind of career oriented call. So it's not it's not classes, but yeah, it's we're I'm here every week to help try to help you guys if you have questions on your career or your resume or the internship itself.
Intern 6: [00:48:38] Okay. Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:48:41] You're welcome. Thank you. Uh, let me see. Okay, let's open up Greg's. Greg, are you there?
Intern 7: [00:48:48] Hey, what's up? Pleasure to meet you.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:48:51] Hey. Likewise. Let me. Let me share my screen. Okay. Thanks for sending this through. So tell me about. Victoria, You graduated 2020, a couple of years ago.
Intern 7: [00:49:05] Yeah. Then I did a year at the CFI courses while I was training for the World Championships, so I did that to keep me busy. Cool. So, yeah, I'm in. I'm working with consulting. I did an internship at a venture capital, but then also worked at one of their portfolio companies in Tel Aviv. And now I'm working at a consulting firm in Tel Aviv.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:49:25] What World Championships?
Intern 7: [00:49:28] Karate. Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:49:32] Where is that?
Intern 7: [00:49:36] It was hosted in Tokyo.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:49:38] But where is that? It didn't tell me. I don't see that your karate person anywhere here.
Intern 7: [00:49:45] I should probably include that. I don't know how.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:49:47] How would you. I mean, should I be like, Are you good? Are you highly ranked?
Intern 7: [00:49:51] Yeah. Yeah. Reasonably. Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:49:54] Like what? Black belt, obviously.
Intern 7: [00:49:57] Yeah. I'm a third down black belt.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:50:00] Like, I don't know. Do you have an interest section? You have no interest section on your resume. Interest section like soccer, running, poker, snowboarding, skydiving. This like showing you could be like your blackbelt competed in the world championships. That, like, that makes you interesting, Greg.
Intern 7: [00:50:19] Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:50:20] That makes people want to talk to you. Ask about that. What is that like? How how long did you train for that? Well, suddenly everyone wants to talk to their Guess what? You just labeled yourself the karate guy. You just branded yourself.
Intern 7: [00:50:32] Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:50:33] That's not bad, because you're memorable. That's going to get you so many more interviews. I'm telling you, like people don't realize this, like this stuff. I guess you say it here. No. You say it up here.
Intern 7: [00:50:46] Should I take out that overview section?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:50:48] Oh, yeah. Slash this. Get rid of it. But you need a big section on. You definitely need your karate like, highlighted, but in a much less wordy way.
Intern 7: [00:50:58] So when I say exclude, I'm going to say exclude. Overview. Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:51:03] Over you gone for sure. Work experience for sure. Because you've been out for a think financial working in financial modeling evaluation analytics including for an idea estate planning and corporate structuring, working transfer pricing, planning, intern testing operations. So it's like more audit type accounting type stuff, right? Credit search.
Intern 7: [00:51:23] Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:51:24] Searches for ease of use. So. Yeah. This is good education. Good. You didn't put your GPA with GPA low.
Intern 7: [00:51:35] For which, which one?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:51:36] Pretoria.
Intern 7: [00:51:38] Your Victoria was a shitty one because I was at the Olympic Training Centre the whole time, so I just need to put.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:51:44] Yeah. So like, I think, I think it's important that you, you don't use it as an excuse, but you very clearly highlight the commitment and the number of hours you are spending at whatever the Olympic training centre, blah, blah blah. Right. Such that I.
Intern 7: [00:52:01] What sake, where would I include that.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:52:02] Yeah. So like I'm trying to, that's what I'm trying to figure out. Maybe under additional information like, see, this is all jammed together in one really horrible bundle. I'd much rather see something like this, Greg. At the bottom.
Intern 7: [00:52:20] Here.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:52:21] Yeah.
Intern 7: [00:52:21] I'll zoom in slightly, please.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:52:23] Yeah, no problem. Let me view. Well, if I can see it here. View.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:52:29] Zoom.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:52:32] Let's do 200% and I'll zoom down. So you see this?
Intern 7: [00:52:39] Here are the fresh.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:52:44] Additional information.
Intern 7: [00:52:45] There we go. Yeah. Where am I looking? Right.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:52:49] You can see how I have different lines formatted such that these are on the left. And then there's things that right because I'm using a table here to format. See these light lines. You're not going to see that when you print the resume or send it in a PDF. But this helps keep everything really organized and aligned. So. So, for example, like, it would be really cool if you had something like skills, whatever. Yeah, you have valuation analysis that you can have something skills could be more like language skills or like other skills, but before that you could have like a modeling thing where you have get rid of the you don't really Microsoft, obviously you could have like SQL accounting or DCF valuation, have that first DCF valuation, advanced Excel sensitivity analysis, debt equity financing, SEO is more not really so financing. So I'd have it as almost under skills below. If you're not going to have like languages and stuff, so have modeling first, then skills with like the kind of less finance stuff. So like Google Analytics, search engine, Google ads, Python data analysis, Power BI. You don't need business intelligence if you're saying Power BI and all that stuff, I don't think. And then get rid of Microsoft Office Suite, word PowerPoint. It's obvious if you especially if you're saying Excel and all that stuff. So what I would do is what you should literally do is like have modeling skills and you should really have karate. Okay as a separate section. And then you should say like.
Intern 7: [00:54:26] Where you say skills modeling, computer vision.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:54:29] Modeling, skills, karate, and then literally here would be one full line or potentially even two lines where you say third degree black belt competed in the Olympics, that this year in Tokyo placed this, did it three. I'm even tempted to put it up in your experience section because it took so many hours, like a number of hours per week of training.
Intern 7: [00:54:52] Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's under experience on LinkedIn.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:55:00] Yeah. Okay. Yeah, because. Let me see here. I don't know if I can copy this. So bad. And then. Here we go. I'm opening it now.
Intern 7: [00:55:18] Joffe I think the links I think I'll put the link on top of I'm not mistaken.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:55:22] Yeah, it's not working. It's fine. I believe you, but it's for some reason it's just taking back to a generic feed. You should test that link, make sure it works.
Intern 7: [00:55:30] I should test, I think. Let me put it. I'll put it in the feed. Quickly. One second. Sure. Um.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:55:38] I'm looking for it. Karate. South Africa. National athlete.
Intern 7: [00:55:43] Ma'am. Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:55:44] Yeah. That should be under your experience, for sure.
Intern 7: [00:55:49] Okay, so take out the news outlet stuff. Edit in high school and absolutely.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:55:54] Yeah. Kill that. Where is that the doc? This stuff. Yeah. This stuff. Where is it? Yeah. Get rid of the news outlet. This needs to be consolidated to three bullets. The doc innovation.
Intern 7: [00:56:06] Yeah, but that was me working at a doc at Doc Tech and the doc, but. Your speech be not cut out of here.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:56:16] Yeah. And you need to quantify more B2B demand generation, etc., via marketing products. Doesn't say what you did, what the outcome was. Work to leverage buyout models. Why? What was the value of what happened? Operated shouldn't be its own bullet here. Like a typo.
Intern 7: [00:56:33] Here. Oh, God.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:56:35] You know what I mean? Like, yeah, just. I literally three bullets. I don't care which one you choose, but make sure they're bullets that are most quantifiable and most impactful. Get rid of this. Put your karate in there and give me more specifics. That was a long time, man. You are doing karate for like your country is.
Intern 7: [00:56:55] Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:56:55] No, but like, in terms of, like, competing for them.
Intern 7: [00:56:59] Yeah. Yeah. Four years over for you, probably at like 14. And then I went to the world's at 18 and then, yeah, I'm actually still going. I'm training in Tel Aviv at the moment.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:57:10] Yeah. So my point is you need to get that on there because it's a big part of what you do and who you are.
Intern 7: [00:57:16] Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:57:18] And you shouldn't hide away from that. I mean, you've done it and you've you've reached kind of the top levels of the sport, right?
Intern 7: [00:57:25] Yeah, essentially.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:57:27] And so it shows a lot of dedication and hard work and good work ethic. So you want to put that in there. You need to clean up your formatting. I think get it into this template and this is in the on the site if you go into resources Wall Street dot com slash resources.
Intern 7: [00:57:43] I was going to ask is there an editable version of that? Yeah, there's a.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:57:46] Word There's a word version. I'll show it right here. So you go here Wallstreet dot com, you go into resources, you go to templates and let's make your resume template right here or private, whatever either one you want to grab the private equity because you have work experiences at the top. Okay. Has work experience the job you want to have deal experience. But it's a good it's a good one to start from for people who have experience.
Intern 7: [00:58:10] Okay, so I take the P?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:58:14] Yeah. You download the word and it'll have these kind of grid lines for you to keep things organized. Make sure you always pdf before you send it, but definitely check your link up top. There's typos all over here. There's like weird line here. There's, you know, you had this bullet here. You've got to print it out and look it over carefully before you send this.
Intern 7: [00:58:31] Okay? No, definitely, definitely. Will do. Yeah.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:58:35] Otherwise. Otherwise. Good. Like you're leaving out. You're leaving out kind of your most impressive stuff. Which is a shame.
Intern 7: [00:58:42] Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:58:46] And this stuff I want more quantifiable. It feels like you're just trying to jam in a bunch of, like financial modeling and valuation, which I love. By the way, I love the way that you're selling. But give me more about like the date, like what you actually did in the outcomes. Like quantify that. Rather than just throwing financial modelling valuation analytics, it feels like you're trying to get all the keywords in there for all what recruiters might want, which is good and it's important. But try to give me a little bit more quantification of what specifically you did for that firm.
Intern 7: [00:59:14] Again. Got you.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:59:16] Um, and I think that'll help. I unfortunately have to go. But if you do want your resume, read next time, please get it to me earlier. Um. Oh, sorry. I see you had sent something through. Did we do it last week? I can already look at yours. Get rid of your career objective. Actually, your qualification looks good. But the format is way too spaced out and needs to be on one page, same same recommendation to everybody else. Thank you.
Intern 7: [00:59:46] So much. I'll make you one pitch.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:59:48] You've got to get it on one page. You've got to get rid of your huge career objective at the top. Okay. And aimed at three, 3 to 4 bullets, Max. Four bullets max on these. You don't even have Russo's stuff in there. And you're still way on to the second page. A lot of that's because of the trainings. You have each one line going like this. It should be in one line similar to the template you saw. I was wondering if you could.
Intern 7: [01:00:14] Thank you so much, Patrick. I was wondering if you could.
Connect with me on LinkedIn.
Intern 7: [01:00:16] I could send you my.
Intern 7: [01:00:17] Linkedin through slack.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [01:00:19] Yeah, that's fine. You guys can all connect with me. Thank you so much.
Intern 7: [01:00:23] Yeah, please. I think that would be really awesome.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [01:00:26] Yeah. Yeah. Just connect me. I'm happy to connect with you guys.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [01:00:29] So that's.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [01:00:31] That's it. I mean, I think you'll notice, like.
Intern 7: [01:00:34] There's like, some people have good ones that. Patrick What's that? Where's the link to the principal?
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [01:00:40] The private equity resume template. It's under resources. You hover under resources and templates. Bottom right corner of the after you have Rover Resources should be in the bottom right corner
Intern 7: [01:00:51] Where. On Slack.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [01:00:57] No, no, no. On Wall Street,Oasis.com.
Intern 7: [01:01:01] We'll show you is website Excel.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [01:01:03] Yeah, there's a page there private equity resume template and it goes through like the parts of the template that. And.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [01:01:13] And that's.It.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [01:01:14] But I got to run because I'm late for something already. But thanks, everybody, for joining. And next week.
Intern 7: [01:01:22] Thank you so much.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [01:01:23] Thank you for these, because I think I think some were good. Like I feel like some are good and had good. I think most of the most of the bullets were weak. There's a couple of strong bullets in there for some of you, but a lot of you had two page resumes. A lot of you are doing the formatting for a lot of you need a lot of help. So definitely use those templates and leverage it. There's no reason not to use it. It's proven.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [01:01:44] So.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [01:01:47] That's all for now. Thanks, everybody, for joining and talk next week.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [01:01:50] Thank you. Thank you. Talk to you that.
Patrick (CEO of WSO): [01:01:52] Everybody. Thank you. And thanks to you, my listeners at Wall Street Oasis. If you have any suggestions whatsoever, please don't hesitate to send them my way. Patrick at Wall Street Oasis. And till next time
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