Herman Cain

Good point. Obama's oratory skills captured the imagination of a beleaguered nation at the time. Some of the questions raised today would seem blasphemous to be asked at the time of the '08 race.

I suppose the political commentators today are so desperate for ratings that any wacky remark is pushed.

I think he's un-electable too. But its more the case that people will consider that with the fanfare of one black president, its perhaps too soon to go that route again. Although, I definitely dislike some of his politics.

we don't need a businessman in office.

we need a patriotic warlord like andrew jackson to get the fuck in there and clean house.

I like Cain but he won't beat Romney, he comes off as too unpolished compared to him.

I personally am rooting for Huntsman, i like him a lot.

Cain is too insane on foreign policy for me to ever vote for him. We dont need another messianic savior of the middle east in office we need a realist who understands the limits of our ability to police the World. Unfortunately none is running except for ron paul who doesnt seem to get much traction in the polls.

Yes too unpolished. He can definitely be a VP tho just look at good ol Biden he's a wild man

Haha. That interviewer's a real doucher.

God I hate the media.

Wow, O'Donnell is a smug bitch.

Paul Ryan? Really guys? For all his efforts to bring the deficit to the forefront of the national debate, he seems like a bit of an idiot. I'm serious, just listen to anything he says about economics. He's utterly dogmatic and clueless.

Cain is a good guy, throw him a cabinet position. He wouldn't win in a general election. His speech on working hard and taking charge of your own life will turn off most Democratic voters. Hand outs swing that side of the political spectrum.

I am picking his book up tonight. Definitely a political force in the near future.

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Looks like Cain just got ethered.

Wow, you mean Cain mistakenly opined on the economy like everyone else?

He is a great businessman, that doesn't mean he is a palm reader.

if you are catching flak you are over the target

i like cain but his record on big calls and big ideas is off. and i don't like his brushoff of OWS. i am sympathetic to both the tea party and OWS, because at the core of their movements is a protest against corporate statism. wall street from 2002-present in a nutshell: the insiders with access to the fed window get to fuck us all with inflation and bailouts and pat themselves on the back when the roulette wheel is spinning their way.

we need to get off the idea that successful businessmen like cain and romney, and to a lesser extent huntsman, have special insight into macroeconomic issues. they surely are better than professional politicians like santorum and bachmann BUT HOW ABOUT NOT IGNORING THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM AND LISTENING TO THE CONGRESSMAN FROM TEXAS WHO HAS NAILED THE MOST IMPORTANT ECONOMIC CALLS IN OUR GENERATION

I couldn't sleep so I decided to read the great 9/9/9 plan (or what I could find about it) since Cain is apparently on top of the GOP polls now. Has anyone read that thing? Oh my god I still haven't stopped laughing. Besides the fact that it would garner maybe 4 nut votes in congress, it is just insanely piss poor tax policy. Imagine what would happen to any recovery if every dollar spent of goods and services was taxed 18% (in New York anyway.) I know the electorate is generally unconcerned about things like public policy I am actually a little shocked that this guy vaulted to the top of the polls with this thing. I'm assuming now that he's going to be vetted, he wont stay on top for long.

I thought Huntsman was the best of the GOP candidates. But who knows...maybe he'll skyrocket next.

Scariest thing to me about the 999 plan if it were to ever actually be implemented is that eventually after Cain, income taxes will be raised again, but you bet your ass the sales tax will stay

Wow...MNT smashed Herb Cain into a million pieces.

Why doesn't the media do this at all? All I hear when I turn on the media is "how is the 9-9-9 plan resonating with voters?" and comments about who had the best one-liners in the debate. There is almost no discussion on the merits of various policies, only discussion of horse race aspects of the campaign.

Also, if you actually think Alan Greenspan is a model Fed Chairman, you need to kill yourself, your family, your friends, and people who work with them.

TheKing, the media is giving Cain coverage because that's who they think is the easiest for Obama to beat.

Even the liberal media is smart enough to see Bachmann wouldn't have a chance in hell.

Like it or not, the media does sway who gets the nomination. The person they cover the most gets the most airtime and that's who the citizens see. Not a consipiracy theory at all.

Yes, everyone is right. The 9 9 9 plan is simplistic and moronic. I mean if only a candidate had a 300 page document of their proposed tax plan they would surely get elected.

The plan is simple, clean and easy to grasp. It would be much more complicated in real life. It's goal and intention is to start with a clean slate and remove all of the social incentives within the tax structure. That, in and of itself, is enough for me to vote for.

TX, don't worry. Obama is a horrible President. He will get the vote of everyone who desires entitlements, but just like in Wisconsin, the producers of this nation will get rid of that loser so we can move forward as a nation and have some real change.

http://www.mrc.org/biasbasics/biasbasics.asp

Not perfect, but illustrates the general media bias.

Honestly, Cain cannot beat Obama. He will get a cabinet position and build his political experience. Romney will get the nod and select Rubio for VP.

Obama will continue to move left (or revert to his natural state) because he is losing the center and needs the left to be his brown shirts.

I thin the election will be tight, but Republicans will win. Obama will always get his union/minority/liberal core, but the center is not happy with him. Unemployment has not come down, Gitmo is still rockin' and rolling, war in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan. Souring relations with China and other parts of the world. An incoherent and reactionary agenda.

Obama has failed and most liberals are upset with him. This Occupy Wall Street movement (which he is supporting and tied to now) is only going to alienate the middle class, which simply wants the economy to turn around.

Even if Obama somehow manages to win again, Republicans will win the Senate and keep the House. Nothing will get done and he will have 4 years of lame duck policies. With him in office you can bet the economy will continue to tank.

Cain is a two-bit player. As ass-backwards as the country is right now, and as desperately as we need tax reform, an overly simplistic scheme like 999 will ultimately prove how hollow Cain is.

Romney is a decent choice, but conservatives still never 100% trust him... he's more in touch with the people this election cycle but I honestly think he's just as slick as Obama and just as politically self-serving. Not to mention he threw all his key Mass. legislation under the bus. Liberals and left-leaning independents will never forgive him for that.

Huntsman is probably the best of the lot... a science and foreign policy embracing conservative with the tax cutting record to gain credibility. And he has a big, happy family and he speaks fucking fluent Mandarin. He's pro-life/anti-gay marriage but that's a fairly marginal issue with the stagnant economy.

I certainly hope Huntsman surges soon... I think he's the most electable against Obama. Romney is the establishment big business choice that is only a different varietal of the same tired brand of politics Obama has been selling.

^ Wow I finally met one of the 1% of GOP that supports Huntsman. Yes, an impressive latter day Herbert Hoover. Too bad the GOP has been taken over by the illiterate mouth-breathers. Cain and Perry got some early mo from the anger of their rhetoric, but angry demogoguery is not enough.

Obama is finished next year if the economy does not pick up. And it won't because we are living only the early stages of Japan's Keynesian nightmare right now. Whoever wins the GOP nom is going to be president. I'll cover any bet on this.

Actually there's plenty of support for Huntsman among Republicans, Democrats and Independents as well. If there's one guy who can guarantee the GOP the presidency again, it's Jon Huntsman.

Ugh... Romney, Cain, Paul, or Huntsman.

Any of those over Obama, Bachmann, Perry and Gingrich.

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Who the hell goes into a nationally televised interview with an audience to back up everything you're saying? Does Cain's campaign think it's subliminally persuasive?

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FinancialNoviceII:

Seriously think Obama is in jeopardy for a second term (if he wasnt already).

I hate the expression, but I was almost on the floor laughing at that. I'm a conservative and I even like Cain to be honest, but Obama is staying where he is until 2016. The kids on this site (and surprisingly alot of the older guys) have a very utopian view of the psyche of the American voter. They're not going to elect someone with "out there" (to say the least) views on foreign policy, freedom of religion (which is part of the constitution), a tax plan that doesn't work economically (although it sounds like fun), and a penchant for wild accusations/statements. The rest of the field isn't any better: Romney's a mormon, Bachmann's batshit crazy and she only speaks in cliches, Perry is dumb as dirt (2.5 @ A&M Food Science?), Paul is a thousand years old (and not ready to compromise on ANYTHING), and Huntsman isn't conservative enough for his own base and HE'S a A MORMON.

We elected a Muslim, I am sure we will elect a Mormon . . .

Spot on.

Obama won a lot of typical red states because of the anti Bush backlash. The economy sucks, the white voting base is moving away from Obama, he hasn't done anything he promised and the one thing he DID ram through helped the Republicans win the House.

Obama could, maybe win. But it isn't a sure thing at all.

Sure he isn't ;)

People on here really think he's a Muslim? Are you fucking kidding me? At most, he's an atheist / agnostic. Calling him a Muslim is ignorant as shit.

I really hope you guys (some of whom are post-MBA) don't actually think Obama's a Muslim. That would really depress me as to the state of education. He's a moderately religious Christian, not an on-fire evangelical perhaps but neither are you guys. Kenya isn't even an Islamic nation.

Naaa dude, who could possibly think that Hussein Obama is a Muslim.

Honestly, who cares that Obama is a Muslim. I find everyone's anti Muslim attitudes to be sickening. Let him openly practice his faith.

Haters gonna keep hating I suppose. Let's MoveOn (.org) with the religious hatred in America.

Guys, I am really sick of the bigotry and hatred I read sometimes. Just because his mom married a guy who is Muslim and then remarried another Muslim guy and then moved to the worlds most populous Muslim majority nation, doesn't mean you guys have the right to force Christianity on him or demonize.

Please everyone, can we just MoveOn (.org).

Ha, didnt you bring it up in the conversation, Ant? Honestly, it shouldnt matter if he was Muslim if he was doing a good job. But he's not, so these snide remarks are common to disparage him and express frustration with his tenure. Its the obvious red flag you target when you dislike someone, anyone really. Playground mentality never leaves us. Yep, should move on. No one genuinely believes he's a Muslim.

@Independent Gestion - you cannot seriously state with such confidence that Obama is gonna stay around until 2016. Yeah, more often then not, the incumbent is likely to remain but let's not kid ourselves and get carried away with such bold statements. There's a long time to campaign yet and plenty of support can be siphoned away from any of the players. No one is sure of anything this. That's what makes this such a volatile time. Its like the last election we had in the UK. Both candidates were morons, no one had overwhelming support and both parties' policies could be torn apart. But what happened? The incumbent was out. I see many parallels.

Obama is by no means safe.

Dude, please stop with the Muslim comments. Why would anyone even care that he is a Muslim. This closet hatred is sicking. Everyone, please, MoveOn (.org) with your lives and let Obama practice his faith in the open.

We should instead focus on the fact that he sucks balls and can't move to the center if his life depended on it.

How about we try something novel. Eliminate some bullshit regulations, allow companies to repatriate their overseas money at a limited tax rate and shutter some government agencies.

Bam, increase in tax revenue, decrease in regulations, shrinkage of the government, all at the cost of ZERO dollars to the over burdened tax payer.

And Independent Gesticulation was the one who brought it up. I am simply defending everyone's right to freedom of religion.