How do ppl deal with lack of sleep? 
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on 2/12/12 at 7:08am
I'll be starting my summer associate internship this summer. One of the things I hear all the time is how hard I'll be working and how little sleep I can expect.
Now, I normally get about 7 hrs of sleep a night. I simply get very sleepy around 12pm and cannot study at all at that point.
Are there any tips for me to prepare for a lot less sleep?
i suggest laying off the
i suggest laying off the fappuccino, if you know what i mean.
1) Get as physically fit as
1) Get as physically fit as possible
2) Try to find a chill group that is willing to let you work out during lunch (take an hour off at night)
3) Stay away from coffee/stimulants as long as possible, if possible.
Stay away from coffee? Care
Stay away from coffee? Care to explain?
Once you start on the coffee
Once you start on the coffee you eventually have to accept the post caffine crash, the longer you put more coffee on top of the crash to push it back the worse it'll be, it's a drug, treat it like one.
Oreos wrote: Once you start
Once you start on the coffee you eventually have to accept the post caffine crash, the longer you put more coffee on top of the crash to push it back the worse it'll be, it's a drug, treat it like one.
My thoughts exactly. Coffee might be good for you in the short-term, but sucks in the long-term. You're going to have to quit at some point, so why put it off until it becomes absolutely unbearable? It wrecks your body, slowly saps your finances over the long term, and is generally better avoided if possible. The only real reason why I'd still consider drinking coffee would be the social benefits and overall taste... at which point I'd drink decaf.
If you 'think' you need anything... then you don't.
1. Don't booze hard on the
1. Don't booze hard on the weekends or the weeknights especially. There will be those moments, even work related, where you will need to let loose and throw back a couple. However, you will be kicking yourself if you have a little too much "fun", come in the next day, get staffed, and find yourself screwed.
2. Try and keep a workout regime. It is hard to do as an associate, but I would try and join a gym it there is not one in your building. If you can break off one to two nights a week around dinner for a half an hour, it will help big time. Then, try and get one good workout in on the weekend.
3. Strategically use caffeine / 5-hour energy / etc.
4. Don't be a wussy (not suggesting you were, but those who do only make it harder on themselves). Embrace the pain when it comes....
run away from this bullshit
run away from this bullshit career path before it's too late, and pick a job that lets you go home no later than 8pm. problem solved.
probinganalyst wrote: i
i suggest laying off the fappuccino, if you know what i mean.
Perhaps that's a little too subtle.
djfiii wrote: run away from
run away from this bullshit career path before it's too late, and pick a job that lets you go home no later than 8pm. problem solved.
I need the money, badly. Have a shit ton of loans to pay off (over 150k)
you and everyone else coming
you and everyone else coming out of a private school. you'll manage, and you don't need to work 100 hours a week to do it. I have never worked 100 hours in my life, and I could write a $150k check right now.
djfiii wrote: you and
you and everyone else coming out of a private school. you'll manage, and you don't need to work 100 hours a week to do it. I have never worked 100 hours in my life, and I could write a $150k check right now.
well, good for you. but I don't have that option. I'm close to 30 yrs old, not some young college grad.
djfiii wrote: you and
you and everyone else coming out of a private school. you'll manage, and you don't need to work 100 hours a week to do it. I have never worked 100 hours in my life, and I could write a $150k check right now.
DJ what do you do?
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Culcet wrote: Oreos
Once you start on the coffee you eventually have to accept the post caffine crash, the longer you put more coffee on top of the crash to push it back the worse it'll be, it's a drug, treat it like one.
My thoughts exactly. Coffee might be good for you in the short-term, but sucks in the long-term. You're going to have to quit at some point, so why put it off until it becomes absolutely unbearable? It wrecks your body, slowly saps your finances over the long term, and is generally better avoided if possible. The only real reason why I'd still consider drinking coffee would be the social benefits and overall taste... at which point I'd drink decaf.
If you 'think' you need anything... then you don't.
Wrecks your body?! Saps your finances?! Social benefits?! What the hell are you talking about man - A. Coffee is said to have benefits for men with regards to Colon Cancer, coffee ( w/o sugar) increases your metabolism. B. Sure if you drink a lattee from Starbucks everyday - buy a bag of coffe and make it yourself or just drink the coffe at the office C. Social benefits......really??.....
Angus Macgyver
i suggest laying off the fappuccino, if you know what i mean.
Perhaps that's a little too subtle.
Possible reference to masturbation? Reminds me of that passage from Monkey Business...
Is it just me, or is it actually easier to function after an all-nighter than it is after sleeping for only 3 hours? Granted, you basically crash the second night, but I've managed to go a solid 40 hours without really feeling terrible (plenty of tea and coffee to back me up, of course).
How much coffee is "too much" for a first-year?
starscreamM wrote: I'll be
I'll be starting my summer associate internship this summer. One of the things I hear all the time is how hard I'll be working and how little sleep I can expect.
Now, I normally get about 7 hrs of sleep a night. I simply get very sleepy around 12pm and cannot study at all at that point.
Are there any tips for me to prepare for a lot less sleep?
You would be surprised how your body adjusts and how hard you'd be willing run when someone is dangling a carrot in front of you. I remember my summer associate internship - it was tough but at the end of the day, it wasn't that bad. After a few days, your body gets used to nights of six hour sleep. Besides, there is a lot of adrenaline as well. To think that if you do well, you will get a $60,000 signing bonus and a covetted full-time offer - it is quite enticing. I knew that as long as I pushed a bit harder, I would get to completely let loose my second year of business shool...
Moreover - although there was one crazy week where I only slept about 25 hours, the summer is mostly fairly relaxed. They don't work you that hard and there are a lot of parties / extra-curricular activities that keep your energy levels high.
MistaBooks wrote: Wrecks your
Wrecks your body?! Saps your finances?! Social benefits?! What the hell are you talking about man - A. Coffee is said to have benefits for men with regards to Colon Cancer, coffee ( w/o sugar) increases your metabolism. B. Sure if you drink a lattee from Starbucks everyday - buy a bag of coffe and make it yourself or just drink the coffe at the office C. Social benefits......really??.....
Com'on dude, yes you read a Mens Health article well done, coffee also raises your blood pressure, oh but it can increase short term memory, but also increases your heart rate, it's ok, it's a source of antioxidants. (I can read Mens Health too). We could go round in circles for ever.
Seriously though if you think coffee is a suitable way of boosting your metabolism you need to think harder.
starscreamM wrote: djfiii
you and everyone else coming out of a private school. you'll manage, and you don't need to work 100 hours a week to do it. I have never worked 100 hours in my life, and I could write a $150k check right now.
well, good for you. but I don't have that option. I'm close to 30 yrs old, not some young college grad.
I guess my point was that you could reasonably have that option in the not too distant future, without going down this path, but whatever. I'm not posting just to toot my own horn. I was half kidding anyway; I just like to pick on banking.
blackfinancier wrote: djfiii
you and everyone else coming out of a private school. you'll manage, and you don't need to work 100 hours a week to do it. I have never worked 100 hours in my life, and I could write a $150k check right now.
DJ what do you do?
used to be a consultant; now I'm in-house F50(ish) strategy. more importantly, I always lived on much less than I made. I think my world view, at least as far as spending, is very similar to Illini. The wife and I have a 7 year old Toyota that easily has another 5-8 years in it. Our housing expenses are much lower than we can afford. Etc, etc. We just save a lot of what we make.
Get a prescription for 30mg
Get a prescription for 30mg time released Adderal, covered by insurance of course.
Caffeine problem solved? Check.
Finances problem solved? Check.
Working at peak performance all day? Check.
Fat bank account? Check.
Long term health side-effects? TBD.
My name is Nicky, but you can call me Dre.
FYI, there's a lot worse out
FYI, there's a lot worse out than there "six hours of sleep". "Six hours of sleep" is what I just got while up talking to friends and then waking up early to go run.
djfiii wrote: blackfinancier
you and everyone else coming out of a private school. you'll manage, and you don't need to work 100 hours a week to do it. I have never worked 100 hours in my life, and I could write a $150k check right now.
DJ what do you do?
used to be a consultant; now I'm in-house F50(ish) strategy. more importantly, I always lived on much less than I made. I think my world view, at least as far as spending, is very similar to Illini. The wife and I have a 7 year old Toyota that easily has another 5-8 years in it. Our housing expenses are much lower than we can afford. Etc, etc. We just save a lot of what we make.
Oh very nice.
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djfiii wrote: blackfinancier
you and everyone else coming out of a private school. you'll manage, and you don't need to work 100 hours a week to do it. I have never worked 100 hours in my life, and I could write a $150k check right now.
DJ what do you do?
used to be a consultant; now I'm in-house F50(ish) strategy. more importantly, I always lived on much less than I made. I think my world view, at least as far as spending, is very similar to Illini. The wife and I have a 7 year old Toyota that easily has another 5-8 years in it. Our housing expenses are much lower than we can afford. Etc, etc. We just save a lot of what we make.
Question about the car: Don't you feel that after a while the maintenance on a very old car starts to outweight the benefits of not buying a new one? Where I live it's a bit of a moot point, since I don't have $100k to drop on a new car regardless, but I'm curious anyways.
yes. we drew an arbitrary
yes. we drew an arbitrary line of 10 years per car. we buy them new, knowing we'll keep them for at least 10 years. if we evaluate at 10 years and feel like the maintenance is too much, we'll scrap it and buy a new one. otherwise, we'll try for 11,12,13 or however long it goes.
In this case, it's a 2005 Rav4 that just passed 100,000 miles and we've never had a serious repair. We are religious about the maintenance schedule though, so we have no qualms spending the money on upkeep. It's pretty much oil change every 5k miles, rotate tires every 10k, get a cursory checkup every 15k, get the serious checkup every 30k. We also have a 2010 Infiniti, which was a bit of a splurge and I often find myself wishing I had just gone with another Toyota that was $30k cheaper, but whatever. It's a nice car, you only live once, and I'm pretty frugal in general so one extravagance isn't going to kill me.
Are you in Singapore btw? Based on your comment about $100k for a car, that's my guess. The wife and I almost moved there last year, but the project in question fell through at the last minute. We were far enough into planning that I had looked at cars and discovered that craziness.
djfiii wrote: yes. we drew an
yes. we drew an arbitrary line of 10 years per car. we buy them new, knowing we'll keep them for at least 10 years. if we evaluate at 10 years and feel like the maintenance is too much, we'll scrap it and buy a new one. otherwise, we'll try for 11,12,13 or however long it goes.
In this case, it's a 2005 Rav4 that just passed 100,000 miles and we've never had a serious repair. We are religious about the maintenance schedule though, so we have no qualms spending the money on upkeep. It's pretty much oil change every 5k miles, rotate tires every 10k, get a cursory checkup every 15k, get the serious checkup every 30k. We also have a 2010 Infiniti, which was a bit of a splurge and I often find myself wishing I had just gone with another Toyota that was $30k cheaper, but whatever. It's a nice car, you only live once, and I'm pretty frugal in general so one extravagance isn't going to kill me.
Are you in Singapore btw? Based on your comment about $100k for a car, that's my guess. The wife and I almost moved there last year, but the project in question fell through at the last minute. We were far enough into planning that I had looked at cars and discovered that craziness.
Asian people in general LOVE cars.
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djfiii wrote: you and
you and everyone else coming out of a private school. you'll manage, and you don't need to work 100 hours a week to do it. I have never worked 100 hours in my life, and I could write a $150k check right now.
yeah but will the check clear?
allegedly
allegedly
Not be a bitch.
Not be a bitch.
djfiii wrote: yes. we drew an
yes. we drew an arbitrary line of 10 years per car. we buy them new, knowing we'll keep them for at least 10 years. if we evaluate at 10 years and feel like the maintenance is too much, we'll scrap it and buy a new one. otherwise, we'll try for 11,12,13 or however long it goes.
In this case, it's a 2005 Rav4 that just passed 100,000 miles and we've never had a serious repair. We are religious about the maintenance schedule though, so we have no qualms spending the money on upkeep. It's pretty much oil change every 5k miles, rotate tires every 10k, get a cursory checkup every 15k, get the serious checkup every 30k. We also have a 2010 Infiniti, which was a bit of a splurge and I often find myself wishing I had just gone with another Toyota that was $30k cheaper, but whatever. It's a nice car, you only live once, and I'm pretty frugal in general so one extravagance isn't going to kill me.
Are you in Singapore btw? Based on your comment about $100k for a car, that's my guess. The wife and I almost moved there last year, but the project in question fell through at the last minute. We were far enough into planning that I had looked at cars and discovered that craziness.
Bing! We have a winner.
A new RAV4 runs a tab of approximately US$135k. For that much money I could get me a 911 Carrera in the US, and still have enough left over for a reasonably-priced four-door sedan.
Angus Macgyver wrote: djfiii
yes. we drew an arbitrary line of 10 years per car. we buy them new, knowing we'll keep them for at least 10 years. if we evaluate at 10 years and feel like the maintenance is too much, we'll scrap it and buy a new one. otherwise, we'll try for 11,12,13 or however long it goes.
In this case, it's a 2005 Rav4 that just passed 100,000 miles and we've never had a serious repair. We are religious about the maintenance schedule though, so we have no qualms spending the money on upkeep. It's pretty much oil change every 5k miles, rotate tires every 10k, get a cursory checkup every 15k, get the serious checkup every 30k. We also have a 2010 Infiniti, which was a bit of a splurge and I often find myself wishing I had just gone with another Toyota that was $30k cheaper, but whatever. It's a nice car, you only live once, and I'm pretty frugal in general so one extravagance isn't going to kill me.
Are you in Singapore btw? Based on your comment about $100k for a car, that's my guess. The wife and I almost moved there last year, but the project in question fell through at the last minute. We were far enough into planning that I had looked at cars and discovered that craziness.
Bing! We have a winner.
A new RAV4 runs a tab of approximately US$135k. For that much money I could get me a 911 Carrera in the US, and still have enough left over for a reasonably-priced four-door sedan.
You're joking right, a Toyota RAV4 over the LIFETIME of the car wont cost over 100k.. let alone 135k.
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try to wake up every morning
try to wake up every morning at the same time...regardless of the time you go to bed. granted, this will not always be possible (particularly if you get back home at 4-5 am), but waking up at the same time helps instill some regularity in your sleeping pattern, which - at least for me - keeps me less tired the following day.
regardless of your approach, i wish you good luck man...it's a bitch of a summer. but one day you'll look back on the ridiculous and mindless demands and laugh it off. keeping a good sense of humor that cuts through all the bullshit is probably the most critical asset you can have to surviving the summer.
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blackfinancier wrote: Angus
Bing! We have a winner.
A new RAV4 runs a tab of approximately US$135k. For that much money I could get me a 911 Carrera in the US, and still have enough left over for a reasonably-priced four-door sedan.
You're joking right, a Toyota RAV4 over the LIFETIME of the car wont cost over 100k.. let alone 135k.
He's serious. Vehicle prices are ridiculous in Singapore and you're not allowed to use one for more than 10 years.
For example, a brand new M5 retails at 350-400k USD.
as a summer you feel like a
as a summer you feel like a badass pushing yourself to the edge of delirium in terms of tiredness because its only 10 weeks. after that its over
shit gets a lot tougher when there is no light at the end of the tunnel
I've been told drinking ice
I've been told drinking ice water helps when it's late... not sure I believe it though, can anyone weigh in?
jec wrote: blackfinancier
Bing! We have a winner.
A new RAV4 runs a tab of approximately US$135k. For that much money I could get me a 911 Carrera in the US, and still have enough left over for a reasonably-priced four-door sedan.
You're joking right, a Toyota RAV4 over the LIFETIME of the car wont cost over 100k.. let alone 135k.
He's serious. Vehicle prices are ridiculous in Singapore and you're not allowed to use one for more than 10 years.
For example, a brand new M5 retails at 350-400k USD.
So people basically don't drive then?
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Singapore is tiny, and public
Singapore is tiny, and public transport is great so you can easily get by without a car.
people use the metro which is
people use the metro which is super convenient and bear in mind that Singapore is so small that frankly you technically don't need a car at all...
It also doesn't hurt that
It also doesn't hurt that Singapore is the wealthiest country on the planet.
There are two really
There are two really big-ticket items in Singapore which many families still spend on - a house, and a car. The vast majority (~80+%) of people here live in what are essentially housing projects, except without the drugs. Or guns. And with a very carefully-selected racial mix. No, I'm not shitting you here.
Each one of these apartments is, depending on the type, 800-2000 square feet in size, and costs in the region of about US$200-600k. What's that? You want a nice big suburban-type house, with a garage, four bedrooms and a garden? I hope you've got a few million and change.
People here are kind of obsessed with cars, too. They're a huge status symbol for many people here. Penis extensions, I guess? Can't see any other reason why a middle-class family would drop tens of thousands of dollars on a car.
Why the fuck are people
Why the fuck are people talking about Singapore?
Why are car prices so high in
Why are car prices so high in singapore? Taxes to get people to use public transportation?
Oreos wrote: Why the fuck are
Why the fuck are people talking about Singapore?
Heh. Sidetracked by talk
Heh. Sidetracked by talk about car prices.
Well, back to the topic at hand... grapefruit juice + coffee was an old standby used by many Everquest players trying to stay up for all-nighters slaying dragons and such. Something about grapefruit juice helping your body absorb the caffeine, or something like that.
I just cannot function at my
I just cannot function at my best when I dont get enough sleep. It is my number one priority. So, I think it is better to deal with other things than handle life with less hours of sleep.
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Not sure if this is going to
Not sure if this is going to help but someone on here (I think it might have been ANT) suggested reading "The Four Hour Body" and it claims to have some way to get great sleep from less. Its sitting on my book shelf and hasn't been opened yet...I'll let you know if it works when I get to it
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The 4 hour work week is
The 4 hour work week is actually a good read. I never bothered with the follow up to that, which is the 4 hour body, but I'd be curious to know if it's any good.
Pike wrote: Not sure if this
Not sure if this is going to help but someone on here (I think it might have been ANT) suggested reading "The Four Hour Body" and it claims to have some way to get great sleep from less. Its sitting on my book shelf and hasn't been opened yet...I'll let you know if it works when I get to it
I can't remember the specifics, but the sleep method that is outlined in that book is essentially taking a ton of short naps throughout the day. Pretty impractical for anyone with an actual job.
Power naps on the toilet! In
Power naps on the toilet! In all seriousness, I think part of what got me through my analyst days was cutting back on drinking and junk food. Can't take the body for granted. From a cursory glance, 4 hour body is full of pseudo-scientific hacks. If you want a good foundational nutritional read, try Primal Blueprint. I agree with the guys who mention keeping a workout routine--doesn't have to even be at the gym. Install a pull-up bar at home, do pushups, tris on a chair. Do it intensely. Do it 1-2 times a weak at peak intensity. I think it's part of keeping a balance, you're gonna have to deal with less sleep on some level, so compensate in other areas.
Rupert Pupkin wrote: Pike
Not sure if this is going to help but someone on here (I think it might have been ANT) suggested reading "The Four Hour Body" and it claims to have some way to get great sleep from less. Its sitting on my book shelf and hasn't been opened yet...I'll let you know if it works when I get to it
I can't remember the specifics, but the sleep method that is outlined in that book is essentially taking a ton of short naps throughout the day. Pretty impractical for anyone with an actual job.
Actually just read it the other day.
Lemme find what he said...
The “Uberman” method, coined by PureDoxyk, has six naps and no core sleep. Amazingly, you can function with just two total hours of sleep using the Uberman method.
THE CATCH
How awesome would it be to sleep a total of two hours a day and feel rested? Very awesome, of course, but there is a catch. The more naps you have (and thus the less sleep you have total), the more rigorous you have to be regarding your nap times. You can’t miss a nap by more than a couple hours in the Everyman 2 and Everyman 3 methods, and you must have your naps within 30 minutes of their scheduled times for the Uberman method. If you miss a nap, the whole schedule is thrown off, and you’ll feel tired for days.
The rigor of keeping the schedule makes most of these methods unrealistic for 9-to-5 employees. But if you have a flexible schedule and can manage to pick a method and stick with it for several months, you’ll find that you feel amazing and have a seemingly unlimited amount of time during the day to get things done.
This, to me, is the ultimate brain hack.
Step #1: Determine your sleep schedule. You will be taking 20-minute naps, every four hours, around the clock. That’s six naps, evenly spaced over the course of 24 hours (e.g., 2:00 A.M., 6:00 A.M., 10:00 A.M., 2:00 P.M., 6:00 P.M., and 10:00 P.M.). This cycle will remain the same throughout your polyphasic sleeping period.

Step #2: Do NOT oversleep. By oversleeping just once, you’ll upset the cycle and feel exhausted
(for up to 24 hours) as a result. Under no circumstances should you sleep more than 20 minutes, as it can ultimately cause you to abandon the polyphasic schedule out of fatigue. Get a reliable alarm clock. If you’re tempted to hit the snooze button, put the clock far away from where you sleep.
Step #3: Do NOT skip naps. Respect your schedule and follow it to the minute. Skipping them will have a compounding effect. Missing one nap results in a loss of energy that requires two more naps to return you to normal mental sharpness.
Step #4: Beat the initiation phase. The first week and a half is the toughest. If you follow your outlined schedule, don’t oversleep, and don’t skip naps, you should be well adjusted to your new sleeping regimen in just under two weeks, though some can take up to three weeks.
Uberman Schedule Success Stories (www.poly-phasers.com, www.fourhourbody.com/kuro5hin)
Ya that is a fucking joke.
Ya that is a fucking joke. Even if you tried to sell it to your employer as a way to be able to work around the clock, they would tell you to fuck off. Aside from the fact that it isn't practical in a corporate setting, the rest of society is set to a pretty unified sleep schedule so why be awake when everyone else is sleeping? Besides, what in the hell are you supposed to watch on TV at 3 a.m. when you have nothing else to do?