MS Group Rankings (for 2013 and onward)
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on 3/6/13 at 1:00am
I've seen a couple of IBD group rankings for Morgan Stanley, but no recent ones.
How would you guys, who have related experience, rank the following groups in terms of M&A work and placement into PE Shops and HFs?
Healthcare
Technology (East coast)
M&A
Business Services
Real Estate
Industrials
Consumer Retail
FIG
Thanks for the insight!






Brace yourself.
Brace yourself.
# 1= MS M&A group No
# 1= MS M&A group
No question. Its the best. Take it from me.
its region dependant
its region dependant
walton12: I've seen a couple
I've seen a couple of IBD group rankings for Morgan Stanley, but no recent ones.
How would you guys, who have related experience, rank the following groups in terms of M&A work and placement into PE Shops and HFs?
Healthcare
Technology (East coast)
M&A
Business Services
Real Estate
Industrials
Consumer Retail
FIG
Thanks for the insight!
M&A - strongest group at the firm, places lights out in PE and HF, one of the best groups for exit opps across the street; you'll get absolutely brutalized in terms of hours, but if you are dead set on buy-side exits, this is what you need to be gunning for
Tech - poor culture in the NYC office; if you can get Menlo, it's an incredible experience .. East Coast, not so much
Real Estate - premiere RE group but will absolutely pigeonhole you for RE exits (REPE, REIT, etc.); if that's what you want, pursue it, otherwise avoid it
FIG - smart and hardworking guys but a reputedly odd culture; one of the worst for work-life balance, and also pigeonholes you to some extent for FIG-related buy-side placement
Retail - middle of the pack
Industrials - fairly strong, seemed fratty (even relative to the firm being fratty overall), consistent PE placement with megafund every couple years
A lot of people do certain things to add days to their life. I do things to add life to my days.
APAE: Real Estate - premiere
Real Estate - premiere RE group but will absolutely pigeonhole you for RE exits (REPE, REIT, etc.); if that's what you want, pursue it, otherwise avoid it
Just a question: if it's a premier group, wouldn't that mean you'd be seen more favourably by ordinary PE?
(I remember reading here that, of those groups that pigeonhole somebody, the better said group is = the less it pigeonholes you)
Also, "brutalized" in terms of hours means on average how many a week?
Yea, I think the pigeonhole
Yea, I think the pigeonhole theory, if you will, is a little misconstrued for real estate. The analysis is fairly similar less a couple of line items (i.e cap rate, FFO). And also I think MS real estate deals with more EBITDA centered companies like hotels and casinos.
Thoughts?
Transportation is a good
Transportation is a good group in London. Utilities as well.
what about healthcare in
what about healthcare in london?
lm-1993: APAE: Real Estate
Real Estate - premiere RE group but will absolutely pigeonhole you for RE exits (REPE, REIT, etc.); if that's what you want, pursue it, otherwise avoid it
Just a question: if it's a premier group, wouldn't that mean you'd be seen more favourably by ordinary PE?
(I remember reading here that, of those groups that pigeonhole somebody, the better said group is = the less it pigeonholes you)
That rarely holds true. GS FIG, for instance, does not restrict your exits because of how strong the group's reputation is. RE at MS, however, doesn't enjoy that luxury to nearly the same extent.
A lot of people do certain things to add days to their life. I do things to add life to my days.
Thoughts on NatRes and
Thoughts on NatRes and MediaComms placements out of NY? I hear both are pretty solid with the latter offering a lot of exposure.
Battleship: Transportation is
Transportation is a good group in London. Utilities as well.
Short of outright saying Public Finance, you literally picked the two most repulsive groups I could think of. Not just at MS, but at any bank. Heavy public sector industries, no fucking thank you!
APAE: lm-1993: APAE: Rea
Real Estate - premiere RE group but will absolutely pigeonhole you for RE exits (REPE, REIT, etc.); if that's what you want, pursue it, otherwise avoid it
Just a question: if it's a premier group, wouldn't that mean you'd be seen more favourably by ordinary PE?
(I remember reading here that, of those groups that pigeonhole somebody, the better said group is = the less it pigeonholes you)
That rarely holds true. GS FIG, for instance, does not restrict your exits because of how strong the group's reputation is. RE at MS, however, doesn't enjoy that luxury to nearly the same extent.
Doesn't GS FIG NY has like 100 people? It is the second biggest group after GS TMT. So I would be careful about generalizing the exit opps when you have a large sample base.
MS Industrials, some
MS Industrials, some seriously chay bros. If you don't consider the Masters at Augusta your Superbowl, frequent Bowery Electric and didn't get, falsely, accused of rape as a D1 college lacrosse player from a notable private school in NC, this probably isn't the group for you. Try healthcare or something.
Here's a ranking / league
Here's a ranking / league table for private tech company M&A bankers for 2012. Morgan Stanley was #2 last year for private tech M&A deals tracked by private company / private M&A data firm PrivCo (they won't allow me to post the link for some damn reason so just go to privco (dot) com and right now the Ibanking rankings for private tech company M&A for 2012 is on the home page toward the bottom. Hope that helps.
BankerChimp: Thoughts on
Thoughts on NatRes and MediaComms placements out of NY? I hear both are pretty solid with the latter offering a lot of exposure.
Nat. Res is the energy group, split into power and O&G (which covers upstream-some parts of downstream value chain). Can only speak to the O&G group, they've had some strong acreage / JV deals, pretty solid with equity issuances and they bank BP almost exclusively. All the blockbuster M&A O&G deals go to BarCap and CS, so your experience at MS in this group is going to pretty similar to the other BB's sans DB and UBS which both suck ass. Nice guys, however. Heard culture in HOU is pretty good / relatively laid back.
BankerChimp: Thoughts on
A lot of people do certain things to add days to their life. I do things to add life to my days.
Stringer
Anyone know a bit more about
Media & Comms probably has
"too good to be true"
See my WSO Blog
Banana Butt: Stringer
What about business services?