Infrastructure Investment Banking

Looking for information about infrastructure investment banking (comp, exit ops, daily activities, etc.). Does anyone know which banks are known for having the best infrastructure groups? What is the possibility of being able to land an PE opportunity at an infrastructure fund (toll roads, utilities, etc.) after a two-year analyst stint?

Given current market conditions, could infrastructure acquisitions and investments be considered more desirable, or less risky.

 
PowerMonkey:
All three have devoted groups to infrastructure that are quite strong.

Macquarie pretty much only does Infra, so they have to be good at it. Also, it basically is an infra PE job.

Maybe in America, but elsewhere they're much more active in other areas.

 

There are two distinct groups at GS with regards to infrastructure. The group you mention used to be the municipal finance group but after Mark Florian, who headed that group out of Chicago, successfully advised the City of Chicago and the State of Indiana on toll road sales they moved him to New York, made him a partner and changed the name of the group. They primarily focus on advising governments on sales of infrastructure assets such as toll roads mentioned above and the state lottery systems in Illinois and Indiana.

However, GS knows better than anyone that the real money is on the buyside. So they raised a ~$6 billion infrastructure fund called Goldman Sachs Infrastructure Partners (GSIP). GSIP is separate to Florian's group and sits within Merchant Banking rather than IBD. When GSIP does deals, Florian's group acts as advisor. GSIP has been extremely active and have invested in ABP (UK ports operator), Carrix (US ports operator), Mexican toll roads, Kinder Morgan, TXU to name some. They should soon be raising a second fund.

 

JP Morgan has a fairly nascent group that deals with this stuff. They recruited a bunch of all stars to run the desk so I assume it's pretty solid now. It's technically housed under their Tax Exempt Capital Markets Group within their IBanking Division and it's known as the IAG or infrastructure and advisory group. I can't speak as to exit ops etc - I do know that comp is in line with the rest of the banking division (at least for 1st year analysts, and I assume 2nd years as well). Hours are also a bit better - the job is pitched as being " a six day a week job as opposed to a seven day a week job"

 

French and Spanish banks are the biggest players in infrastructure not only in Europe but also in the US, most notably BNP, SocGen, Credit Agricole, Santander and BBVA. . It's mainly due to the fact that the largest construction/civil engineering companies are European (e.g. Vinci, Bouygues, ACS).

'Oh, yeah, that's right. That's what's it's all about, all right. But talkin' about it and bein' it, that's two different things.'
 
Sean Kingston:
Hello,

Thanks for sharing your great information. In my point of view Ws-Ibank is the best infrastructure banking than the other investment banking.

Thanks a lot ws-ibank.com

 

Bump this baby back.

Is there anywhere where I can find out about the modelling involved, or anything unique about being in this industry coverage group? Got an interview coming up

 

Modelling is crazy! Your typical LBO runs roughly 7-10 sheets, infra models are 30-40 (not superfluous use of sheets, legitimate 300+ rows on each), they suck. Since the coverage ratios tend to be tight (e.g. ADSCR of 1.3 and a default levels of around 1.03) every accountable detail is incorporated, also by the nature of a project or infra asset all expect expenditures are predictable (the unpredictable costs are sucked up into reserve accounts) and so are accounted for.

"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
 

Hi everybody, I am interested too. I am currently interning at a major Chinese contractor's fund, though mainly doing market research, and would like to move to a big bank in the future. Is there any recommended source to strengthen the financial and modelling part?

 

HSBC, RBC, UniCredit, Big 4, SMBC, CS. please note that this a mixture of PFI banks and M&A advisory who service your Balfour Beattys, Veolias etc..

a few of the BBs have infra funds such as MS, JP in addition to your GIPs etc..

"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
 
anamerican:
Rothschild, Lazard and so on are at the top. Those fellows are at the top for trading.

I would say that Roths are predicated upon the Roths brand (i.e. the companies they own).

without knowing what we're looking at (M&A or PFI) it's hard to say. If it's M&A, it's going to be the big lads, the BBs. if we're talking big PFI it's a whole different story.

"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
 

i am curious to know which banks in London are strong on the M&A/advisory front, specifically in terms of power/utilities/renewables and social infrastructure, don't know too much about the M&A side of things

i know in terms of project finance lending and advisory, french banks are pretty top notch (both infra and energy), especially SocGen, i've also seen HSBC consistently at the top, RBS was but not anymore.. in terms of lending, it seems to be the european and japanese commerical banks, like hsbc, the french, japanese banks in terms of advisory, i know it was more of a big 4 thing, but now more BBs and other banks are active because of the overall cross-sell economics, like hedging, bonds, etc.

 
projectfinance:
i am curious to know which banks in London are strong on the M&A/advisory front, specifically in terms of power/utilities/renewables and social infrastructure, don't know too much about the M&A side of things

i know in terms of project finance lending and advisory, french banks are pretty top notch (both infra and energy), especially SocGen, i've also seen HSBC consistently at the top, RBS was but not anymore.. in terms of lending, it seems to be the european and japanese commerical banks, like hsbc, the french, japanese banks in terms of advisory, i know it was more of a big 4 thing, but now more BBs and other banks are active because of the overall cross-sell economics, like hedging, bonds, etc.

from personal experience SG advisory isn't that great. similarly with E&Y and PwC advisory, not great. KPMG, not tooo bad.

"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
 
projectfinance:
i am curious to know which banks in London are strong on the M&A/advisory front, specifically in terms of power/utilities/renewables and social infrastructure, don't know too much about the M&A side of things

J.P Morgan's UK Industrials team is pretty badass for M&A / advisory and has some mega clients including a lot of the homebuilders.

Will infra funds actually look at commercial bank project finance lending experience, or strictly have greater preference for bulge M&A candidates ? i look at postings and they always seems to say, will also look at project finance backgrounds, as if its a secondary choice, i'm guessing it depends on the fund.. GIP vs something like infrared

also is it common to go to a development bank like EBRD, IFC, ADB after a few years ? i can see decent hours, solid base and benefits with little or no bonus, possibly interesting emerging markets work, but the politics/bureaucracy is a nightmare ? any other pros/cons ?

 
projectfinance:
Will infra funds actually look at commercial bank project finance lending experience, or strictly have greater preference for bulge M&A candidates ? i look at postings and they always seems to say, will also look at project finance backgrounds, as if its a secondary choice, i'm guessing it depends on the fund.. GIP vs something like infrared

also is it common to go to a development bank like EBRD, IFC, ADB after a few years ? i can see decent hours, solid base and benefits with little or no bonus, possibly interesting emerging markets work, but the politics/bureaucracy is a nightmare ? any other pros/cons ?

A young analyst with PPP / PFI experience is hard to come by, and hence in relatively high demand. GIP, being the CS / GE JV, will look at both (M&A, advisory and PFI lending), Infrared (who are looking for an analyst atm) want PPP / PFI experience. Accountancy advisory on PFI is also a valued commodity (god knows why in the UK so much weight is placed on the big 4 / ACA, my experience with them in all respects - PFI, restructuring, capital markets - is woeful).

EIB, EBRD etc. is where people go where their career has failed. if you like bureaucracy and only being able to do vanilla deals, sure. otherwise, i'd stay clear until you want to semi retire.

"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
 
projectfinance:

Will infra funds actually look at commercial bank project finance lending experience, or strictly have greater preference for bulge M&A candidates ? i look at postings and they always seems to say, will also look at project finance backgrounds, as if its a secondary choice, i'm guessing it depends on the fund.. GIP vs something like infrared

also is it common to go to a development bank like EBRD, IFC, ADB after a few years ?
i can see decent hours, solid base and benefits with little or no bonus, possibly interesting emerging markets work, but the politics/bureaucracy is a nightmare ? any other pros/cons ?

All PE firms favour BB candidates, even Infra PE funds.

You know you've been working too hard when you stop dreaming about bottles of champagne and hordes of naked women, and start dreaming about conditional formatting and circular references.
 

In a tight credit environment, I would argue the best project finance experience will be with whoever has balance sheet power as those institutions will drive the transaction process. As soon as a bank isn't able to back pf deals anymore, all your idle project finance bankers will be eager to jump on painful financial advisory mandates for the sake of keeping themselves busy - not to make money.

 
kingb:
In a tight credit environment, I would argue the best project finance experience will be with whoever has balance sheet power as those institutions will drive the transaction process. As soon as a bank isn't able to back pf deals anymore, all your idle project finance bankers will be eager to jump on painful financial advisory mandates for the sake of keeping themselves busy - not to make money.

very true. certain banks are cut out of tenor. if you can't do >10yr tenor, there's no point in turn up. there are a lot of pf bankers roaming the streets. guys in our office will get calls every other day where you'll just here our guy say "no, sorry mate, we're not hiring" (we can do tenor; obviously, we're a fund).

"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
 
Juwanna Mann:
Long-lived assets, small but stable cash flows, boring Australian sponsors. That's it.

is it just me, or is infrastructure the least sexy of asset classes?

--- man made the money, money never made the man
 
Best Response

You may or may not have seen the following (which is, by the way, neither here nor there)

Re Airports specifically:

http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/how-do-you-value-an-airport-walk-…

You may also like to read up on project finance more generally. I'd start here...

http://www.people.hbs.edu/besty/projfinportal/

Further (and depending on how much you want to invest in your interview) the website linked below is for a publisher that offers a number of infrastructure and project finance specific books (all of which can be purchased as ebook files - important if your interview is tomorrow...)

http://www.euromoneyplc.com/page.asp?PageID=335

Oh... and sign up for a trial subscription to the following:

http://www.infra-americas.com/

Hope this helps...

 

what instiutions? banks? sponsors? municipalities? contractors?

"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
 

buyers? okay, so i guess you mean the equity which could be a pension fund, a PE fund, a contractor, a bank. But there is also debt, which could be all of the above bar the contractor.

okay so how to equity source a deal. the contracting authority will advertise a tender for the project, consortiums (which will be made up of a combination of the above parties) will bid to win the project in line with the tender guidelines and the lowest NPV will normally win.

you have to remember that they wont own the infra, they didn't buy it. they own the contract to build and operate it but they wont own the hard assets. these will be the property of the contracting authority. (this is based on the PPP model). airports (and ports in the UK) are generally different, they can own the assets in some cases

"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
 
MogulintheMaking:
Are there any orgs that specialize in being intermediaries for the PPP deals? Or is usually done direct from government to contractor to the equity source?
there is no need. its a small market, people will know who to talk to. it's not high volume enough to require a broker. think about it, how many roads are built a year?
"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
 

Infra isn't too big in the US, we are behind the curve, but it is certainly catching on. A hot spot right now would be Brazil for infra between the World Cup and the Olympics coming in the next several years. Some of the biggest investors in infrastructure right now are actually the big Japanese banks. There aren't too many PPP (PFI in the UK) funds being raised right now globally, but Macquarie is a pretty well known fund manager when it comes to this side of infra, as is OFA Infavira and Edifice Capital. Then of course there are the firms everyone knows, like Barclays, BlackRock, and UBS who will have infrastructure investment arms as well.

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brownfield:
PPP (PFI in the UK)
PPP is PFI, but PFI isn't necessarily PPP. PFI is private finance inititive. PPP is public private partnership. you used to be able to be granted PFI credits (ie a grant) for certain PFI/PPP projects, bascially to boost the equity return or make the deal more bankable, but these are not longer in play. so a PFI doesn't necessarily have a public aspect but obviously all PPPs do.

big infra funds: GIP, infrared, mac, Morgan Stanley...

"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
 

Depends on the bank and how active they are in the infrastructure side of things rather than muni. Goldman and Morgan Stanley, I would argue, have had the most success turning their public finance groups into infrastructure groups both on the sell-side and now on the buyside. Goldman recently raised $6bn for their infrastructure fund which is advised primarily by their infra/muni group. Morgan, CS, JP Morgan have raised funds as well with ML and UBS becoming more active on the sell-side.

In terms of exit opps, all the funds above are options as well as pe funds that have jumped into this space like Carlyle.

 

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